zoonation
Footballguy
Agreed. Biden seriously underestimated how ignorant a large percentage of the population is. His goal was never realistic, as it turns out.
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supermike80
Footballguy
Because many liberals bought it. Cause they all wanted to blame Trump for everything covid related. No critical thinking, no reasoning. Heck remember the days when the us was the worst country for covid? Worse than even India? You all bought that too. It was a fantastic campaign by the dem party to put this all on Trump.
Few Biden supporters saw it
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think you should do your research on the Obama/Trump transition.
The short of it is...... Yes, I think there are more Trump voters dying/died because of COVID than non-Trump voters....and with 14 months to go until the mid-terms and the anti-vaccine mindset being galvanized; you are only going to see more.
zoonation
Footballguy
nah, it's more like you continue keeping your head buried in the sand. That is exactly what Trump was trying to do. For his last two months in office. Then he unleashed a gullible mob on his own vice-president when he wouldn't do his unconstitutional bidding. What Trump did that we don't know about doesn't even bear thinking.
But you do you. It was no big deal, we get your position.
zoonation
Footballguy
America has been an unmitigated disaster re covid. Right from the beginning. And that was Trump's fault on the front end. I do not think it is Trump's fault that millions of people won't get the vaccine. Nor do I think it is Biden's fault. Again, it is social media's fault. Unfortunately it is the playground for anti-intellectualism and conspiracy theory.
zoonation
Footballguy
Truthfully, I live in a province (Alberta) that is not any better, really. We have a huge anti-vax movement here. Our vaccination rates are better than in America, but they are not where they should be.
zoonation
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Can you answer the question please? How many people are being charged for insurrection?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Do you even know what straw man is?
I'm simply asking you to give me a number of how many people are being charged with insurrection. Surely you can answer that question.
zoonation
Footballguy
the answer to your silly question is not determinative of whether Trump was trying to overturn a free and fair election. The question, that you think is clever, is precisely a straw man. It seeks to recast the debate around a point that is not at all probative of the point being asserted.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Can you explain to me how this "overturning the election" would have worked on 1/6? I need a step by step. You're going to need to play this out and tell me how a bunch of unarmed, middle-aged and geriatric citizens taking selfies were going to "overturn the election".
Trying to, but nothing that happened on 1/6 qualifies as an insurrection. Thanks, that's progress.
A straw man cannot equal the conclusion provided by the other side. They said INSURRECTION. It's perfectly ok to ask for evidence for the conclusion they propose. HTH
dkp993
Footballguy
Not to interject myself into your guys slap fight but, are you really minimizing what happened that day internally or is this just hyperbole for and internet argument? Serious question.
dkp993
Footballguy
in·sur·rec·tionTrying to, but nothing that happened on 1/6 qualifies as an insurrection. Thanks, that's progress.
A straw man cannot equal the conclusion provided by the other side. They said INSURRECTION. It's perfectly ok to ask for evidence for the conclusion they propose. HTH
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
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noun
noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Sure seems to me 1/6 fits the literal definition.
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Max Power
Footballguy
Compared to our highest ranking government leaders holding secret meetings without the president and contacting our biggest adversary to discuss military strategy, jan 6th was a nothing burger in terms of threats to our democracy.
You can't get evidence out of a dictionary.in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
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noun
noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Sure seems to me 1/6 fits the literal definition.
Anybody charged with INSURRECTION? You know 18 US Code 2383. That was Blade's question. HTH
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dkp993
Footballguy
Ok. But that’s not what I asked Blade. Those 2 things both exist and are different acts. Both can be appalling.
No matter how big or small what happened on 1/6 was virtually unprecedented in our history. That by definition makes it a big deal.
dkp993
Footballguy
The charges are not what I was addressing. You said…. “nothing that happened on 1/6 qualifies as an insurrection”. The definition of the word insurrection proves that false. No amount of snark or rolling emojis changes that. HTH.You can't get evidence out of a dictionary.
Anybody charged with INSURRECTION? You know 18 US Code 2383. That was Blade's question. HTH
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You really need to stop pretending you arent a Trump supporter when your posts clearly show you are.
Max Power
Footballguy
I'm adding context. Jan 6th was an internal squabble. Our speaker of the house and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff held secret meetings and then reached out to CHINA!
We need the context of these meetings and transcripts of the calls!
BladeRunner
Footballguy
in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
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noun
noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Sure seems to me 1/6 fits the literal definition.
Yep, as does BLM/Antifa antics over the last two years (and still going on, btw).
dkp993
Footballguy
I completely agree. But again that’s not what I was asking Blade about. What happened there was unacceptable and Miley should resign or be held accountable. But none of that changes what happened on 1/6 which was also unacceptable and unprecedented, it shouldn’t be minimized for partisan talking points.
dkp993
Footballguy
Ok. So was it or wasn’t it an insurrection? And feel free to include as many rolling emojis in the answer as you need.
Which was worse has been the topic of discussion for the last 2 or 3 pages. It started with nothing will ever be as bad as INSURRECTION. So maybe start there first.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
January 6th was also unacceptable. Let's get that out of the way.
All I'm asking is how 500 of those UNARMED people were going to "overturn the election"? The hyperbole surrounding this is off the charts. If you didn't get upset at BLM/Antifa over the last two years, then 1/6 should not have bothered you either.
Not saying YOU personally, but the collective "you".
I need someone to play the 1/6 out to it's conclusion. How would these people have "overturned the election" with no weapons or army backing them up?
dkp993
Footballguy
Agreed. So why do you feel the need to minimize what happened on 1/6?
*for clarification, I’m asking seriously, not playing any slap fighting.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I'm not minimizing it.
It literally was a bunch of middle-aged, geriatric and UNARMED citizens. Key word being "unarmed".
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dkp993
Footballguy
Thank you for the answer.
The point I’m trying to get at with pinning you down was you’re playing the Partisan politics game too by minimizing what happened that day, same as those that are overdramatizing what happened that day as the worst thing ever. Both sides need to stop with the bull#### if we’re ever going to move the conversation forward.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
I'm not sure if you have a physical limitation or if you're being obtuse on purpose. I voted for Trump twice, but I held my nose.
What bothers me is the hypocrisy. Does that compute? Are you able to understand that? Tap the table twice if you understand.
dkp993
Footballguy
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It would make sense to me if you would have called out those that have repeatedly stated "Trump is the worst ever because of INSURRECTION", in the Biden thread no less, instead of calling out the guy who simply asked for proof.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Fair enough, thank you.
I feel like we need to combat the drama by phrasing it how it actually was. 40 threads on 1/6 (started by one guy for the most part) and then amped up with rhetoric about overturning an election 24/7 is absurd. And then this is all an excuse for Joe Biden to be terrible?
Hypocrisy is what I hate.
dkp993
Footballguy
It’s my fault, I should know better than to engage with Tony. There’s never any thing but Snark and condescension to his game.
Deflection?
It's literally the post that started the entire conversation going on the past 2 or 3 pages.
dkp993
Footballguy
Tony it wasn’t a call out. You said it wasn’t an insurrection I replied that via the definition of the word it was, simple as that. As I said in my replies to blade both sides are acting extreme in regards to what happened on 1/6. No shocker. It’s the world we live in today. You’re playing it too. Either way I’m done playing with you, it’s a tiresome boring game.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Good to see that Joe had free time to go to CA and campaign for Newsom, I guess he had nothing more important to do, I. E. COVID-19 outbreak, etc, a real people’s president.
zoonation
Footballguy
Are you suggesting that a president should not be available to assist his party politically going forward? You must have hated the trump years? Or any other presidency before that?
it’s part of the job.
zoonation
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
zoonation said:
re·pub·lic
/rəˈpəblik/
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noun
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
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