Rovers
Footballguy
Good to see facetious comments can be appreciated here. I still think Ryan's wife should be a spokeswoman for "Odor Eaters" howerver.
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***OFFICIAL NEW YORK JETS 2012 OFFSEASON THREAD*** (1 Viewer)
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Reaper
Footballguy
Hey Step off from the ledge man
J/K, Apparently I've been the "guy on the Ledge" since about week 8 of last year.
Where ya been? - We are usually in sync on Jets stuff and I agree with a lot of what you said - Though I thought the Favre move was great and did give the Jets a chance in a year when they had none and little else at QB until he was dinged and honestly the Schotty crap didn't do Favre wonders either and probably got him hurt - another year where IMO they passed when they should run and ran when they should pass and at times it seemed they passed just to soothe fans and media who said "You have Favre you MUST pass"- And heck, they had a chance to get a QB again after that - I really think the Favre year was entertaining, a good football move and did little long term damage, if they were right on Sanchez then they don't miss a beat.
Sanchez on the other hand we both agreed on.
But, at least if you have a young VERY inexperienced QB you give him an OL, Run game and CONSISTENT weapons - If you trade up for YOUR QB, and then fail to support him with proper surroundings, then YES you are running a Clown Show Circus!!!!! #!&$*@$*$!@ And that is what KILLS fans like you and I!!!!
Oh and letting Thomas Jones go with the $$$ he wanted and bringing in LT wasn't a back breaker... And Ellis as well priced himself off the team...
Cotchery wanted out and probably saw the writing on the wall in the WR meetings.
I can't blame them for losing those guys... I can blame them for Drafting Sanchez, not supporting him, letting the OL fall apart and not getting a Pass Rush in forever though.
If you look at it, the Jets have really been done in by poor Drafting the past few years, Starting With Gholston - If VG was what he should have been and Ducasse was what he should have been then the OL and Pass rush is right there.
Really since the 2007 Draft you can throw out the entire bunch of players drafted with little harm. 2007 draft and preceding formed the base of some decent teams that Mangini built...
Post 2007, Rex Ryan's influence has been a Draft Disaster led by Sanchez and Ducasse..
Throw everything else aside, and THE DRAFT is what has held this team back most.
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Rovers
Footballguy
The draft is the biggest problem, but team chemistry is another major issue, and that starts with Ryan. Jettisoning the locker room leaders, collecting idiots and then not even knowing he lost the locker room... that is an indictment on Ryan. I honestly believe foot gate caused players to view Ryan as a dope, a joke and rightfully so. How stupid can the man be? That is NOT how a leader of men behaves. Men of character don't do such idiotic stuff. Lombardi spent 4 years in seminary school. Ryan surfs the net for porn and swingers. See some disparity there?
I am resigned to several years of more bufoonery, then an eventual rebuild after another house cleaning. The sooner the better. The Jets are a :trainwreck:
I am resigned to several years of more bufoonery, then an eventual rebuild after another house cleaning. The sooner the better. The Jets are a :trainwreck:
Reaper
Footballguy
Meh.I find that hard to believe - The season before ended with HOF player Jason Taylor Crying talking about being part of the best TEAM in his career.....The Giants were a "Chemistry" mess in week 7 last year. They happened to be quite the mess in 2007 as well with the whole Tiki / Coughlin thing - In both seasons, media fans and ex players were calling for the heads of the HC and QB!!!!!!Bottom line - When you WIN, chemistry is rarely an issue....When The Jets win - Holmes and Sanchez do the "Fly Boy" dance all over the place - When they lose, you would think that these people could never be in the same room again... Meanwhile they are down in Florida as we type working out.
Who did they really Jettison?Thomas Jones who was due a hefty sum and did little when goneShaun Ellis who got paid BIG and did little elseKris Jenkins - Who was pretty much forced into retirement unless maybe you wanted to pony up huge money for an injury riskDamian Woody - Who the Jets couldn't talk to during the lockout and then retired right after, when the Jets didn't immediately show up at his doorstep the day the lockout ended w/ a 5 mill dollar check, who BTW was also rehabbing form another bad injury?Wanna go back to Faneca who was due big money who did little else.Wanna go back to Pete Kendal who lied and screwed the Jets after signing a new deal...and did little elseKerry Rhodes?Who did they REALLY Jettison?
... And footgate season was successful and ended with a cohesive enough locker room that most everyone bought into the Contender status for the next year....
Hey again, I'm with you on the trainwreck but, If this team DRAFTED well, most of the problems never flair up. If Gholston and Ducasse are what they thought they were then the pass rush and OL are a lot better. Then you Trade up for these guys like Greene and take away any shot of hitting on another OL or PR in the 3rd and 4th rounds.And Tebow IMO was just one huge horrible move that makes the horrible drafting of Sanchez even worse.... IF you draft a Sanchez then you build around him for him to succeed - People talk abotu Sanchez being Coddled - REALLY????????*!%#*$~@*#$$* You Coddle a young QB by giving him a thin OL and no RT? You Coddle a young QB by switching up his Targets every year????? You coddle a young QB with a Paper tiger Run game????Sanchez has been the furthest away from Coddled I could imagine.IMO Sanchez has been thrown to the Wolves and has been set up to fail with this BS false sense of coddling just because they Had Mark Brunell as the back up and not Jay Fiedler or Jason Campbell.The development of Mark Sanchez or lack there of had ZERO to do with Mark Brunell and his backup and EVERYTHING to do with giving him consistent weapons, protection and a run game.....I think we both wanted Josh Freeman at the Jets original pick that year - Josh Freeman just got Vincent Jackson and might wind up with Trent Richardson this year.... WOWSanchez got TEBOWMANIA and a Firing Line, still with a weak OL and different targets and a new Offense to get used to.
Reaper
Footballguy
Perfect Timing.....
Pro Football Focue
An analysis of the Jets Recent Drafts.....
As I said, "Circus" "Foot Fetish" "Chemistry" all aside....
The Jets have had drafts since 2007 where you would be better off if you just threw them away Cap Vs Talent wise.
No influx of "cheap" talent - gems you draft in round 3-4-5-6 that pan out and give a team Pro-Bowl talent at a bargain rate.
Summary
With just 13 picks over three years, when you dont hit on them it really stands out. The selections made from 2008 to 2010 are a real dark age of scouting and development as the Jets look like theyve fluffed on all of their Day 1 picks and got minimal returns from the remains of each draft. Though, while the Jets have done little with their drafts in recent history, earlier classes are still producing and theyve done a good job of bringing in free agents. Its just a shame that the one pick they really needed to hit on (Sanchez) hasnt been able to take advantage of that.
Pro Football Focue
An analysis of the Jets Recent Drafts.....
As I said, "Circus" "Foot Fetish" "Chemistry" all aside....
The Jets have had drafts since 2007 where you would be better off if you just threw them away Cap Vs Talent wise.
No influx of "cheap" talent - gems you draft in round 3-4-5-6 that pan out and give a team Pro-Bowl talent at a bargain rate.
Summary
With just 13 picks over three years, when you dont hit on them it really stands out. The selections made from 2008 to 2010 are a real dark age of scouting and development as the Jets look like theyve fluffed on all of their Day 1 picks and got minimal returns from the remains of each draft. Though, while the Jets have done little with their drafts in recent history, earlier classes are still producing and theyve done a good job of bringing in free agents. Its just a shame that the one pick they really needed to hit on (Sanchez) hasnt been able to take advantage of that.
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Reaper
Footballguy
Final Pre-Draft Thoughts....
I'm still on Barron - I picked Barron quite a while ago when most of what I read was "LATE 1st - 2nd VALUE" Not good value at 16.... To where we are today and most of what I read is "Gone By 16 - Lock for Dallas if he's still on board"
I see Mocks with the jets taking one of the top WR"s in the 1st....
I say NO WAY!!!! Sign Braylon and this draft is way too deep at WR to spend a high pick for a Ground and Pound Team!!!!!!
I see mocks with the Jets taking anoother RB in round 2...
I say NO WAY - sign Ronnie Brown and Build the OL!!!!!!
I'm hoping for Ingram or Barron - Probably dreams at this point... Other than that I would TRADE DOWN!!!!!! There's a bunch of OLB prospects and OL prospects at the late 1st / early 2nd where I would rather grab one of each over putting all my eggs in the Upshaw basket.
I still think the Jets Saftey depth is a wreck - Landry is unreliable health wise and will be gone anyway if he plays well - leaving a bigger hole for next year. Barron learning and rotating with Landry / Leonard would be sweet IMO...
Similar with OLB - Jets may be without Pace / Scott and Thomas the follwing year - They need a Few Good LB's so, if there's one you love now gotta do it...
But, please no early WR or RB's other than T Rich.
Sign Braylon and Ronnie Brown - Draft S OLB OL !!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't see a Braylon or RB who can step right in the Jets system at those other spots in FA.
I'm still on Barron - I picked Barron quite a while ago when most of what I read was "LATE 1st - 2nd VALUE" Not good value at 16.... To where we are today and most of what I read is "Gone By 16 - Lock for Dallas if he's still on board"
I see Mocks with the jets taking one of the top WR"s in the 1st....
I say NO WAY!!!! Sign Braylon and this draft is way too deep at WR to spend a high pick for a Ground and Pound Team!!!!!!
I see mocks with the Jets taking anoother RB in round 2...
I say NO WAY - sign Ronnie Brown and Build the OL!!!!!!
I'm hoping for Ingram or Barron - Probably dreams at this point... Other than that I would TRADE DOWN!!!!!! There's a bunch of OLB prospects and OL prospects at the late 1st / early 2nd where I would rather grab one of each over putting all my eggs in the Upshaw basket.
I still think the Jets Saftey depth is a wreck - Landry is unreliable health wise and will be gone anyway if he plays well - leaving a bigger hole for next year. Barron learning and rotating with Landry / Leonard would be sweet IMO...
Similar with OLB - Jets may be without Pace / Scott and Thomas the follwing year - They need a Few Good LB's so, if there's one you love now gotta do it...
But, please no early WR or RB's other than T Rich.
Sign Braylon and Ronnie Brown - Draft S OLB OL !!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't see a Braylon or RB who can step right in the Jets system at those other spots in FA.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
my wish list:
1. Richardson - would give an Apete like weapon to ground and pound....would trade up to 7-9 if he drops and is only player I would trade up for....
2. Floyd - respectfully disagree - O needs young healthy impact players - Braylon is neither anymore - I wouldnt trade up for him but if he falls I would be all over it
3. Barron - Agree with your analysis though early for a safety unless Rex sees him as next Reed.
4. Melvin Ingram - pass rush definitely needed
Outside the box pick - if one of the big tackles fall grab him and plug into the RT spot....I know its early for a OL but if they grade out Im game.
1. Richardson - would give an Apete like weapon to ground and pound....would trade up to 7-9 if he drops and is only player I would trade up for....
2. Floyd - respectfully disagree - O needs young healthy impact players - Braylon is neither anymore - I wouldnt trade up for him but if he falls I would be all over it
3. Barron - Agree with your analysis though early for a safety unless Rex sees him as next Reed.
4. Melvin Ingram - pass rush definitely needed
Outside the box pick - if one of the big tackles fall grab him and plug into the RT spot....I know its early for a OL but if they grade out Im game.
mjr
Footballguy
Yeah the NY Post ran an article on the Jets taking Floyd @ 16 and I heard talk from somewhere on the possibility of them trading up for Richardson if he drops by Cleveland/Tampa, which I seriously doubt will happen.
A draft-day trade wouldn't surprise me, but which way and for what I have no idea. Whatever's news-worthy, I guess.
Hard Knocks anyone?
A draft-day trade wouldn't surprise me, but which way and for what I have no idea. Whatever's news-worthy, I guess.
Hard Knocks anyone?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
As for Hard Knocks I think Im in the minority - I was entertained and fascinated by the last Hard Knocks and would love to see it again...it obviously wasnt a distraction as they went to the AFC CG last season so why not!
Team Legacy
Footballguy
Ingram time!!! Celebrate fellas!!! Come on jets!
cobalt_27
Footballguy
If he had a heart and a motor that came with that frame, that would be an awesome pick.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, not really feeling it. I'm not gonna pretend I know alot about D-line play, but I don't think Coples has any ability to play on his feet. They already have Wilkerson, Pouha, Pitoitua and Devito. Hopefully this pick isn't an an early white flag on Kenrick Ellis.
Really should have gone with a stand up rusher. Pretty bummed.
Really should have gone with a stand up rusher. Pretty bummed.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Getting more and more depressed about this pick as the night goes on. Wish the first round was still on Saturday so I could just drink all night.
Some teams get it. Some teams don't. Is it really so much to ask for my team to consistently draft talented guys that have produced at a high level and appear to actually give a damn about football?
Some teams get it. Some teams don't. Is it really so much to ask for my team to consistently draft talented guys that have produced at a high level and appear to actually give a damn about football?
njherdfan
Footballguy
One of the problems seems to be that the Jets don't have any semblance of a coherent plan. It was obvious they needed an edge rusher going in to this year's draft, but I guess they got seduced by Coples' measurables. The fact that he didn't really try for much of the 1st half of his senior year is a HUGE problem too.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I like the Pick..
many were going to be happy with Upshaw here.. he went undrafted...
I am happy to give Rex the pick on this... he wanted this guy...
We wanted a DE, got one, we all know what a crasphoot the draft is.. let's see what hes got..
now we need a RT and a WR and we are off and running...
many were going to be happy with Upshaw here.. he went undrafted...
I am happy to give Rex the pick on this... he wanted this guy...
We wanted a DE, got one, we all know what a crasphoot the draft is.. let's see what hes got..
now we need a RT and a WR and we are off and running...
mjr
Footballguy
I don't necessarily hate the pick, but Im not so sure the Jets locker room is the right atmosphere to keep his motivation (and field performance) at a high level, which from his track record is supposingly his biggest issue. Hate to say it, but I believe a team like the Pats would get the most out of a player like him.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Yes, just like Albert Haynesworth.
I agree that it is a risky pick for the Jets though. As someone said, he could simply be the Gholston replacement. 
I really wanted Ingram or Reiff and i'm past the point of giving Rex the benefit of the doubt on defensive draft picks. Now if they somehow do get the most out of Coples he could be exactly what we need to match with Maybin to create pressure.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Jets can do no right.. any pick they make there,
Ingram.. he's chalk, shoulda went OT
Upshaw.. no 100% motor, should went with xyz D-Man
OT- - SHoulda have went D
haters are in full force... 24/7 on all things nyjets
let's see what Rex can do with this Kid, with Wilkerson, Ellis, Puoha and Maybin.. I like the front.. some Pace mixed in.. we can now scheme a bit more than in the past..
need to find some nuggets now..
Ingram.. he's chalk, shoulda went OT
Upshaw.. no 100% motor, should went with xyz D-Man
OT- - SHoulda have went D
haters are in full force... 24/7 on all things nyjets
let's see what Rex can do with this Kid, with Wilkerson, Ellis, Puoha and Maybin.. I like the front.. some Pace mixed in.. we can now scheme a bit more than in the past..
need to find some nuggets now..
Reaper
Footballguy
Disagree on fans being angry regardless - The whole place was cheering for Ingram. There wouldn't have been much fuss over that.... My twitter feed was screaming Ingram - including many former Jets.. And Cromartie :snicker:I think many fans recognized all the Targets still on the board and would have also been happy with a trade down - IMO, good to hear they at least tried.Also you have to realize that on most Need lists DE was not listed much by people looking at the Jets. Now, I fully understand that like most teams these days along with Rex loves to mix fronts but, in a standard 3-4 people often say the DE is a Space eater. That's fine, you're also shooting for a the next Richard Seymour who can do it all. But, the jets also took a 3-4 DE last year....As the Dust settles, the Jets got a guy that many projected as a top 10 pick and with Devito with 1 year left this could be the basis of a real good DL.Agreed - Time to get some nuggets - Hopefully fill some needs S OL and OLB.I just think a lot of Jets fans as well as most every Draftnik was Blindsided and had to let it sink in.'mphtrilogy said:
LBH
Footballguy
I'm pretty happy with the Jets draft this year. I would have preferred Ingram to Coples but as long as Coples can play to his potential I'm ok with getting an athletic DE to bookend Wilkerson.
Hill in the 2nd rd I liked as a good value. Still think they will look to sign Braylon to a one year deal while Hill gets comfortable with the position at this level.
Really loved the Jets 3rd rd pick in Davis. Not familiar with him but I like what I've read about his game. Sounds like a versatile high motor LB that can tackle and cover. He can play inside or outside and had some potential as a pass rusher. Exactly the kind of player I was hoping for in rd1(Ingram), but happy we addressed the position on day 2.
Obvious concerns about RT. not looking forward to any more of Hunter or Ducassse. Hopefully they get a couple of projects in rds 6-7 they can start grooming. Still need a safety that can cover. All in all not bad so far. I'd give it a B
Hill in the 2nd rd I liked as a good value. Still think they will look to sign Braylon to a one year deal while Hill gets comfortable with the position at this level.
Really loved the Jets 3rd rd pick in Davis. Not familiar with him but I like what I've read about his game. Sounds like a versatile high motor LB that can tackle and cover. He can play inside or outside and had some potential as a pass rusher. Exactly the kind of player I was hoping for in rd1(Ingram), but happy we addressed the position on day 2.
Obvious concerns about RT. not looking forward to any more of Hunter or Ducassse. Hopefully they get a couple of projects in rds 6-7 they can start grooming. Still need a safety that can cover. All in all not bad so far. I'd give it a B
njherdfan
Footballguy
Apparently it's now an open competition although it's not like any of the in house options are particularly appealing.
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32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
What are Jets fans thoughts on the RB position? I thought they would spend an early pick on a RB. Is this an endorsement for S. Greene?
TLEF316
Footballguy
I can't imagine its an endorsement. He's proven that he's not capable of being a game breaking back.There just wasn't anyone available at the spots they were drafting. They could have spent the 3rd rounder on the kid from Miami, but everyone else passed on him as well. Its going to be Greene, McKnight and Powell this year, for better or worse. Much like the LB spot, they're going to re-evaulate next off-season.
njherdfan
Footballguy
Yeah, it was reported that Richardson was the first player on the Jets' board, so they definitely would like a game-breaker at the position, but there wasn't anyone available. On a side note, Rex is already declaring that Coples and Hill will start, which would force Mike DeVito out of the starting lineup, and then Rex backtracked quickly. Rex just seems incapable of not making thoughtless, blanket statements.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
safe to say McKnight is the PPR/3rd down COP back?
njherdfan
Footballguy
As long as he can block adequately. He's definitely the best receiver of all the running backs on the roster.
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Rovers
Footballguy
I doubt Coples is much of an upgrade over Devito. I like the Hill pick, but once again, while this FO and HC LOVE to talk ground and pound, they don't WALK ground and pound. Hunter and Ducasse AGAIN this year? Good lord, what are they thinking? Moore is aging and on the downward slope, Slauson while servicable is barely average... they surround Mangold and D'Brick with players who make them worse, not better.
This is sooo reminiscent of Herman Edwards and his ignoring of the O line... Ryan has been VERY lucky his C and LT have been so durable. Ignoring the o line is going to bite Ryan's... toes off.
I'm disgusted. Did this team really need another LB vs the holes on the O line? BPA my buttocks. Ryan hates to draft O linemen, he thinks he can just throw a body out there. The man is stupid. His off the cuff comments are a benchmark for his stupidity. He really is as stupid as the things he says makes him appear to be.
He lost 90 pounds? All from between his ears?
This is sooo reminiscent of Herman Edwards and his ignoring of the O line... Ryan has been VERY lucky his C and LT have been so durable. Ignoring the o line is going to bite Ryan's... toes off.
I'm disgusted. Did this team really need another LB vs the holes on the O line? BPA my buttocks. Ryan hates to draft O linemen, he thinks he can just throw a body out there. The man is stupid. His off the cuff comments are a benchmark for his stupidity. He really is as stupid as the things he says makes him appear to be.
He lost 90 pounds? All from between his ears?
sheerterror
Footballguy
Reaper
Footballguy
I'm gonna be optomistic for once.....
QUINTEN COPLES
Early on in this Draft process and as I put down to paper (posted) on April 5, I didn't think the projected Jets pass rushers at the top (Ingram/Upshaw) of this draft had the size / Speed combo and all around OLB talent as Pass Rusher freaks OR in in coverage. I admit when the draft is on and Everyone is Screaminng for Ingram you kinda feel like that's the concensus "Safe" pick but, I'm gonna step back to what I said going in and what the draft results kinda showed - Ingram and Upshaw weren't Slam dunks either and they fell. Are they too one dimensional for Rex?
ANOTHER 3-4 DE?
No one questions Coples measurables - It's become lore that he doesn't love the game and isn't ALL-IN - Well, to me that's ALL on Rex and that's the kind of stuff we and draftniks or even ehhem Beat writers (lol) don't get the best feel for - Rex is the one who looked into this man's eyes - And, Rex was not here to do the same with Gholston. Supposedly Rex warned of Gholston.
Devito is a nice run stuffer - Coples should be a lot more and should be able to get a nice rush up the field... Top Talent heading into last season on a team in complete dissary in NC with coaching changes, scheme changes position changes...
Sure this wil be interesting to watch and IMO Tanny and Rex's ### can be on the line with this pick - Also interesting to see what Upshaw does in Baltimore.
OFFENSIVE LINE
One issue most draftniks and media type ignore is the switch from Zone Blocking to Man. Does everyone know exactly how this is going to effect Ducasse / Hunter?
Another issue is IMO the fact that Schottenheimer's play calling did little to help the OL look better and IMO, was a horrible matchup. Playcalling and Game plan can make all the world of difference especially when you have a Street FA at Center going up against The Ravens front line. It was as if Schott would ignore the incredible Matchup disadvantage he had at time and said "#### this I'm taking 5 step drops and I'm throwing"....
Someone mentioned Herm - Well, this to me was Herm like - Herm ignored mismatches and talked about just making the play regardless. I think Sparano will do a much better job in synching the OL and the Game plan according to the opponent and mismatches - Pound the ball and know when to take a shot - Where Schotty was clueless IMO.
I still have faith in Ducasse - Ask players and they rave about the talent the guy has... It's about the light coming on and IMO, more consistent play calling and more focus on the run game and a Man Blocking system might be a big help..
There's also Free Agency.
Stephen Hill
I want to try to contain myself cuz, I think this guy is the ####!!!!!!
Fantasy stats aside - And I think people are undervaluing even that... He's going to be tremendous in the Run game blocking and the Jets finally have a true stretch the field threat.
I get all the Jokes about Sanchez at QB - But, no one can deny that Sanchez DID throw the deep ball the year before and Plax just could not beat anyone deep in 2011... i think there's a huge difference when a guy can take you deep and how the defense has to play - D's will still key in on Holmes and Hill will Flash some highlight reel stuff this year, open up things underneath and be huge for the run game.
THE REST
I think the Jets took some guys later on in Demario Davis and Josh Bush specifically for covering the TE and we will just have to see how and when Rex uses them... But, that was one of the glaring holes and IMO a hole that was not going to be filled with 1 guy at the top of the draft.
Overall.. I like it. Funny I usually don't like Jets drafts... But, while I see pundits all over panning this draft. I'm excited after a little uneasiness Thurs night...
Gotta give the Jets credit for 2 things:
1) At least trying to trade back in round 1 - I don't think that shows the lack of faith in Coples that the NY media goes on about as much as 'Can you trade back a little and STILL get your guy?" which is Value drafting as we know it.
2) NO ONE... Not one of these NY mediots got that the Jets were after Coples... Completely not on their radar. I like that the Jets didn't feed a morsel at all to these weasels.. They were completely in the dark as rumors swirled and the media roaches jumped at each one... I bet Rex and Tanny laughed at Cimini and co. as as they were on the wrong path every step of the way..
And THAT IMO, is why in turn they all have to give the Jets negative reviews... because the pick is totally not what they told everyone for 2 months that the jets wanted...
Meanwhile many of em gushed over Gholston.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
A few days later with a fresh mind.
The Coples pick still annoys me a little bit, mostly because they just drafted wilkerson last year and there are so many holes to fill. I honestly might have went with DiCastro. He would have been an option at RT or either guard spot and will almost certainly be a solid starter for at least a decade. Maybe Coples will turn into a great player, but unless he's the next Richard Seymore, I think I would prefer the sure thing at a need position. I honestly think Ducasse is a lost cause. I don't care what he can deadlift, he's slow (both physically and mentally). In terms of understanding the game, he appears to be on the same level as my grandmother. He's going to get someone killed.
Loved the Hill pick. As Reaper said, his blocking alone will improve the team. Very excited to see him develop.
Can't comment on the Davis pick. I know nothing about him at all.
Really liked the Ganaway and White picks. Ganaway's film looks 10X better than Bilal Powell's did. I bet he makes the team. White's collegiate production can't be ignored. 140, 1900 and 17. Jesus. He has good hands and knows how to find open spots. Hope he makes the team. I also loved the Allen pick. That's the kind of guy i love to see taken in the late rounds. Extremely productive in a good conference with solid enough measurables. Not sure why he went so late.
The Coples pick still annoys me a little bit, mostly because they just drafted wilkerson last year and there are so many holes to fill. I honestly might have went with DiCastro. He would have been an option at RT or either guard spot and will almost certainly be a solid starter for at least a decade. Maybe Coples will turn into a great player, but unless he's the next Richard Seymore, I think I would prefer the sure thing at a need position. I honestly think Ducasse is a lost cause. I don't care what he can deadlift, he's slow (both physically and mentally). In terms of understanding the game, he appears to be on the same level as my grandmother. He's going to get someone killed.
Loved the Hill pick. As Reaper said, his blocking alone will improve the team. Very excited to see him develop.
Can't comment on the Davis pick. I know nothing about him at all.
Really liked the Ganaway and White picks. Ganaway's film looks 10X better than Bilal Powell's did. I bet he makes the team. White's collegiate production can't be ignored. 140, 1900 and 17. Jesus. He has good hands and knows how to find open spots. Hope he makes the team. I also loved the Allen pick. That's the kind of guy i love to see taken in the late rounds. Extremely productive in a good conference with solid enough measurables. Not sure why he went so late.
Faust
MVP
mjr
Footballguy
I'm starting to look forward to seeing what the Jets are going to look like on the field this year... in a very curious,kind of uneasy,could be very fun to watch but probably more of an ulcer feeling every Sunday kind of way...
Anyway... Jets turned down Hard Knocks.
Faust
MVP
Faust
MVP
Faust
MVP
What are Jets doing with Sanchez? Lighting a fire under him
By Clark Judge | CBSSports.com Senior NFL Columnist
By Clark Judge | CBSSports.com Senior NFL Columnist
Faust
MVP
njherdfan
Footballguy
It worked for coach Herman Boone, it can work for Sanchez!
njherdfan
Footballguy
Apparently Stephen Hill looked good in the first day of OTAs, which is very good to hear. Of course, the vast majority of tweets about the Jets involve Tebow and what he's doing as punt protector, but so far, it seems that the consensus is that Sanchez looks much better than Tebow throwing the ball.
Matt Bitonti
Moderator
i dont see any measurement by which Melvin Ingram is a better player than Quinton Coples. Even if Ingram's motor is better, Coples has more production. Unlike Ingram they are gonna play Coples at Defensive line, no risk of conversion. It was a value pick at 16 and true to their board.
