Anarchy League 2 Draft Order & Smack Talk Thread

[nittanylion 616]

Sure hope everythings OK with PVH...

Edit: Just saw his comment over at the MFL Draft Page saying he'd be on the road w/out regular access til...Tuesday.

Oh, well...since the Auto-Pick is set for ADP, and we KNOW he's not going to be on, I wonder if David could just save us some 4-Hour delays by picking for The Captain?

Just a thought...

[Biabreakable 4,053]

Sure hope everythings OK with PVH...Edit: Just saw his comment over at the MFL Draft Page saying he'd be on the road w/out regular access til...Tuesday.Oh, well...since the Auto-Pick is set for ADP, and we KNOW he's not going to be on, I wonder if David could just save us some 4-Hour delays by picking for The Captain?Just a thought...

Good idea. Although I did not see the note.

[Biabreakable 4,053]

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Cool.

[Sinrman 38]

Oh yeah, Brady and Company will do just fine this year. They won't approach the 50+ TD barrier again, I think we can all agree on that. I think defenses will be working more on shutting him down more (the Giants left the blueprint on what to do against him -- blitz and pressure him). But projecting him to have around 35 TDs is very reasonable, and that would be excellent production, and still would warrant a 1st round pick in this format. As David has pointed out, the TMQB aspect of it is a lot of fun in a league like this, in that if the starting QB is hurt or sits (at the end of the season or just stinks it up), you aren't completely screwed in that the backup(s) will still net you points. And with this going into the playoffs...? Brady and the Pats are a shoo-in to at least make it to the second round and net even more points..

[There it is 24]

Just imagine if we didn't have TMQB.

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

So I gather we won't have any more movement until Captain Hook times out, correct?

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

I wanted to pull the trigger so much on DeAngelo, but I just couldn't justify him over Berrian at that point.QB - IndyRB - Larry Johnson, MJDWR - Brandon Marshall, Bobby Engram, Bernard BerrianTE - LJ Smithpretty happy so farI took MJD at 3.05, he went 2.05, 2.06, and 2.08 in the other three drafts, so good value there.

I feel some of your pain with Engram, since I have the Seattle team QB. Hopefully he'll only miss 2-3 games...

[There it is 24]

David just a reminder the draft positions from rnd 11 on are screwed up still, last years I think.

[Bri 1,614]

having both Superbowl Ds could come in handy in this league

[David Yudkin 10]

David just a reminder the draft positions from rnd 11 on are screwed up still, last years I think.

Should be good to go now.Be on the look out for teams that might somehow end up with illegal rosters. In this league I doubt anyone would do it with a live pick, but we've run into problems with people predrafting several rounds in a row getting too many of one position before.

[Captain Hook 84]

David - would you repost the draft requirements for positions?

TIA

[David Yudkin 10]

David - would you repost the draft requirements for positions?TIA

Number of Starting TMQBs: 2 Number of Starting RBs: 4-5 Number of Starting WRs: 5-6 Number of Starting TEs: 2-3 Number of Starting PKs: 2 Number of Starting Defs: 2

[BassNBrew 5,765]

David - would you repost the draft requirements for positions?TIA

Starting Lineup Setup Total Starters: 18 Number of Starting TMQBs: 2 Number of Starting RBs: 4-5 Number of Starting WRs: 5-6 Number of Starting TEs: 2-3 Number of Starting PKs: 2 Number of Starting Defs: 2 Should starting lineups be hidden from all owners until after kickoff of the first game of the week? No Should owners be allowed to submit players on bye as starters? Yes Roster Position Limits Setup Number Of TMQB on Roster: 2 Number Of RB on Roster: 5 Number Of WR on Roster: 6 Number Of TE on Roster: 3 Number Of PK on Roster: 2 Number Of Def on Roster: 2

It was kind of difficult to find. Do you need instructions on when to wipe too?

[Captain Hook 84]

Go back to your own playpen B#######

[CalBear 721]

Can we move this along a bit? I'd like to get it done before the weekend. At this point if you pre-draft you'll usually get the player you want.

[Bri 1,614]

JustWinBaby,

Are you in an FSWA league drafting the next couple days?

[Fiddles 227]

Can we move this along a bit? I'd like to get it done before the weekend. At this point if you pre-draft you'll usually get the player you want.

we already have 18 picks in todaythis is flying compared to just about any other draft ive done this summerim sure its the 4 hour clock compared to 8 or 12 but still this is a great tempo imo

[joffer 9,396]

Can we move this along a bit? I'd like to get it done before the weekend. At this point if you pre-draft you'll usually get the player you want.

could be worse, you could be in league 1

[There it is 24]

Can we move this along a bit? I'd like to get it done before the weekend. At this point if you pre-draft you'll usually get the player you want.

could be worse, you could be in league 1

I laughed.

[Biabreakable 4,053]

Well I wasn't really planning on getting these 3 RBBC/handcuff RBs and filling my flex so soon. That is just how the predrafts fell for me. I expected more of you to address the RB position and scoop more of them from my predraft list. At the time I got Bradshaw (10.02) there were only 41 RB off the board compared to 48 WR. Teams need 64 of them.. so now I find myself wondering if this is a good thing or not that I got 3 in a row that I am pretty high on.

I have done well with late defense and kicker picks in the past.. for example Gould in 2006 and a ton of Packers last year (cannot remember if I had their defense or not.. I know I had Favre and Lee). Hopefully I can manage to do that again this year because I am certainly behind the power curve on defense due to those RB picks. Live I likely would have adjusted fire and not filled my flex with that last RB pick even though I did have him ranked that high. I like to leave my flex open if I can to try to maximise my options.

Thats how the predraft crumbles.

[Fiddles 227]

just win baby is about to get stuck with ryan torrain

[David Yudkin 10]

just win baby is about to get stuck with ryan torrain

He can always change it.

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll 90]

David - would you repost the draft requirements for positions?TIA

Starting Lineup Setup Total Starters: 18 Number of Starting TMQBs: 2 Number of Starting RBs: 4-5 Number of Starting WRs: 5-6 Number of Starting TEs: 2-3 Number of Starting PKs: 2 Number of Starting Defs: 2 Should starting lineups be hidden from all owners until after kickoff of the first game of the week? No Should owners be allowed to submit players on bye as starters? Yes Roster Position Limits Setup Number Of TMQB on Roster: 2 Number Of RB on Roster: 5 Number Of WR on Roster: 6 Number Of TE on Roster: 3 Number Of PK on Roster: 2 Number Of Def on Roster: 2

It was kind of difficult to find. Do you need instructions on when to wipe too?

Go back to your own playpen B#######

:lmao:Funny #### in here.

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

just win baby is about to get stuck with ryan torrain

He can always change it.

Guys, sorry about the delays. I was on travel all week on business and ended up with virtually no internet access, which I did not expect. I had to use online kiosk internet to check periodically, and wasn't able to easily follow the draft progress. You could probably tell from some of my recent picks. (Well, you might think my earlier picks weren't so good, either. )Anyway, I actually made a pick today about an hour before my timeout, but it was from a public computer and perhaps I screwed something up... David, please substitute Michael Jenkins for Torain. Thanks.

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

JustWinBaby,Are you in an FSWA league drafting the next couple days?

No, must be someone else.

[Fiddles 227]

OM drafted Jeff Wilkins

he must really be swamped with other things

[David Yudkin 10]

I sent out an email that I believe spells out each team's remaining roster spots. Please do not pick a position that you don't have a spot available, as I will need to throw that player back in the player pool and get a replacement pick.

[CalBear 721]

OM drafted Jeff Wilkins he must really be swamped with other things

He's still got two rounds left; maybe we'll see David Boston and Barry Sanders.

[OldMilwaukee 34]

OM drafted Jeff Wilkins he must really be swamped with other things

Could swear Mehlhaff was loaded! Damn kickers!

[Jiggyonthehut 0]

Tim Hightower pwns noobs.

[Bri 1,614]

OM drafted Jeff Wilkins he must really be swamped with other things

Could swear Mehlhaff was loaded! Damn kickers!

Grammatica is having a better camp. Seems like Mehlhaff may be kept as kickoff specialist

[Biabreakable 4,053]

Tim Hightower pwns noobs.

What does this have to do with Tim Hightower?

[David Yudkin 10]

Great job guys. Draft is DONE.

[Biabreakable 4,053]

Great job guys. Draft is DONE.

Write ups?

[Bri 1,614]

thanks for the opportunity David

thanks for the competition guys, I really enjoyed this draft

[David Yudkin 10]

Great job guys. Draft is DONE.

Write ups?

I'm not going to stop you if you are volunteering.

[Biabreakable 4,053]

Great job guys. Draft is DONE.

Write ups?

I'm not going to stop you if you are volunteering.

Ok but don't cry if your not one of the Fab Four.

[There it is 24]

Thanks David for having this again this year. I'm glad this league stayed together.

Wow! What a competitive draft, I'm ready for anything now. Got a a twelve team Omega league draft tomorrow, I'm ready. Thanks all.

[David Yudkin 10]

Great job guys. Draft is DONE.

Write ups?

I'm not going to stop you if you are volunteering.

Ok but don't cry if your not one of the Fab Four.

You could pick me for last as far as I care. Right back at you though, as I might not pick you in the Fab Four either.

[Jiggyonthehut 0]

Tim Hightower pwns noobs.

What does this have to do with Tim Hightower?

I think he's pointing at Edge.

[Biabreakable 4,053]

Tim Hightower pwns noobs.

What does this have to do with Tim Hightower?

I think he's pointing at Edge.

hmmm

Your pwnage is lost on me..

[Bri 1,614]

Going in this was my only thought- If I get a chance to pick a swing for the fences guy, I'm going for it. Maybe I regret getting this uber stud that's injured most of the year but what if he doesn't get injured. Instead of trying to get steady producers, like I would in redraft, I'm going for the homerun hitter for a change.

At 1.3 I was hoping for Brady but, David grabbed him. I actually considerred Peyton. I think a top QB that will play deep into the playoffs is real valuable in this league. Like everyone else, I think Adrian Peterson is super exciting and wonder just what the limit is from a "sky's the limit" type young player like him. I wasn't taking a TE in round 1. A reasonable thought but, maybe I've played FF too long and just think it's such a "no no" now. I wasn't wonderring about Steven Jackson's holdout. I thought how Westbrook gets hurt but so does Adrian. I wound up right back at that exciting young RB.

At 2.14 my first thought was, oh yeah this is a 16 team league. So many 12s and 14s I'd forgotten. I love Housh and CJ and as a result Carson so, the Cincy Team QB seemed like the right pick. The scoring really favors the QB but I was a bit concerned to grab a QB when no one else would...what's the rush then? Carson's been good for a number of years now so I was confident that pick was OK. Around my pick was Anquan who has missed time, LJ who I can't figure out without a great OL in front of him and he missed time, can Welker catch that many again?, Plax's ankle and whining...Carson offerred some peace of mind too I guess.

At 3.03 Steve Smith is exciting. I was OK with taking a guy with questions(health, suspension) then. As I mentioned above, the others drafted around then had issues too.

As I mentioned in this thread, I think Smith, ADP, and Carson could have explosive weeks. If this were redraft, I'd figure those 3 would make me the high scorer a few weeks. It's not so I'm just banking on stockpiling points to overcome their "off" weeks.

At 4.14 the draft took 10 years to get back to me, gave me some time to think. 16 teams deep seems so long at times, quick at other times. I had some time and I thought(and who really knows) I had an idea how it would go and worked with a theory from here on out.

The TE run I didn't want to be a part of. I'm going to "eat it" or do well because of this but...I really like Anthony Fasano. I was planning on him anyway int he early rounds but the way the TEs went off the board, he's going to be my TE. Is it crazy to think Parcells is the coach? Is it crazy to want a Parcells TE like Bavaro, Coates, or Witten? Is it crazy to believe all the good things written about him when he was drafted? Yeah it's probably a crazy pick or way to go but we'll see. For better or worse, Fasano is my sleeper pick this year. Yet another risky move, I'm blowing off the WR for a long while. I'm going to try and get one or two top Ds and Ks (points wise, I think they'll cross/outscore some very good players-RB WRs TES- in the playoffs) So there's my brief plan.

Darren McFadden can hit the rookie wall. He can have great and terrible weeks. His rookieness doesn't bug me in a total points league.

5.03-Marvin Harrison- Like I said earlier, for once I'm not going to be the guy wonderring if he just got the steal of the draft. At least I took Marvin this time. Who knows if I just got the future hall of famer or a has been.

6.14-Chris Johnson- I love watching this kid. Granted I love watching Dante Hall and Devin Hester too but.... Again with the homerun thinking. Maybe moreso than Darren, I can see Chris getting some real bad weeks but also one or two "oh my" weeks where he breaks free for 3-4 TDs. Chris seems like higher risk/reward than Darren right now. The Titans have either been lying or have been coy about playing him as a WR. (I figure the latter) That'll be a bonus if we ever get to see him line up wide and catch passes.

7.03- Aaron Rogers GB-TMQB- I think it's pretty hard for him to fail. Solid OL, good runninghame, good coaching, terrific WR corps, good TE, years of planning. He'll struggle at times like all young or inexperienced QBs do but, I figure he's probably underrated (ADP) right now.

8.14 and 9.03- Was hoping David and ThereItIs wouldn't mess this up and they didn't. I think the Boys and Pats play in the Supe so I got what I think are the two Superbowl Ds. I think they'll easily outscore Jerry Porter, Reggie Brown, Lamont Jordan, Ben Utecht and the others that were drafted near them so I thought the time was right to do that.

10.14 is my Fasano pick mentioned above. Maybe I could have waited but 10 rounds in I can't risk not getting him altogether.

11.03 K Gostkowski- As much trouble as I have guessing how many yards Brady or Moss or Welker will have, or even the RBs, I have little doubt that he is going to get alot of opportunities. IF the O struggles at all(relative to 07) and doesn't get TDs as easily, I'm figuring that's a FG for him. If they still do especially well, there's an XP. He seems a real real good pick this year.

At this point I've really let WRs go by the wayside but feel like who have I really missed out on? A 4-5-600 yard WR? I can still get that. I don't have to have game starts in total points, I just need to get that 600 like the other drafters have gotten.

12.14 Kevin Jones- Eh well someone had to take him. He might sit on PUP or just be out the first so many weeks but, they sure don't seem like they can pass to anyone other than Booker in Chicago.

13.03 Booker- He'll get me the production that I missed out on by blowing off the WRs. Booker vs Reggie Brown, Booker vs Drew Carter, Booker vs Drew Bennett, Booker vs Steve Smith NYG, Booker vs Devin Thomas, Booker vs Kevin Walters...can you really tell me you think they'll all outscore Booker? That's why I blew it off

14.14 Brian Leonard- Before Jackson's holdout, he started whining his groin was bugging him again. Hold outs always worry me that they'll stay healthy when thrown back into the mix. I think he's a pretty good type guess of which backup RB will see starting time in 08 type player.

15.03 Shaun McDonald- I do realize the O is different in Detroit but he still looked good last year. He's still a backup waiting to step into a real good spot and should also get some passes his way as the 3rd WR. Over the long haul, I think his overall stats will be OK.

16.14 Jason Elam- One of the best PKs of all time goes to a place notoriously easy to kick in that produced the best PK of all time in Morten Anderson. I think he's going to love it in Atlanta.

17.03 Michael Gaines- Here's a guy that if you didn't watch closely in Buffalo you didn't see. He played that little and they threw to the TE that little. He runs like a real real fast Offensive linemen. There's no moves he's just barrelling into defenders and hoping to stay up(It's really entertaining to watch). I liked his hands and just something about him, gut pick pretending you're a scout like everyone does. I've been keeping an eye on him and he quickly became the starting TE in Detroit. Maybe I was right and I did see something? Maybe I should quit pretending I'm a scout. We'll see...

18.14 Andre Davis-

I think Andre might beat out Kevin Walters and be a starter. If not, he's getting put into the game and going deep. If he can grab a few of those he'll get me some yards and TDs with my last pick. I think Andre Johnson is going to miss a few games and Davis will play well during that time. Adding all these part time roles, the sum might just work out for a total points league.

[David Yudkin 10]

Patriots, New England NEP TMQB

Ravens, Baltimore BAL TMQB

Some may think taking Brady that early was too a reach as his numbers are bound to drop. While I agree he won't have quite the season he did last year, NE is still an elite offense and almost guaranteed to play 18 games. With Smith or Boller leading the Ravens offense (I doubt we see Flacco), BAL won't have great numbers but they should be closer to 2006 than 2007.

Graham, Earnest TBB RB

Maroney, Laurence NEP RB

Ward, Derrick NYG RB

Watson, Kenny CIN RB

Counting the post season, Maroney approached 1300 yards and 10 TD. If he can manage to suit up each week and including the post season I think he will hit 1500/10 even though I don't see him getting an extensive workload. 1500 total yards is slightly more than 80 a game (assuming 18 games played). I think Graham stays the starter all year as Dunn will be used primarily as a receiver and I think the Caddy stays in the shop most if not all year. Ward and Watson are decent backups that could produce when called upon (like last year) but I doubt they will be regular producers.

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR

Chambers, Chris SDC WR

Jackson, Vincent SDC WR

Johnson, Bryant SFO WR

Patten, David NOS WR

Welker, Wes NEP WR

All but Johson should be decent bets to make the playoffs (I would not rule out Patten with the Saints). Welker was a MONSTER last year in this format (like 140 receptions, 1400+ yards, 10 TD). Chambers was near 1300 yards and even V-Jax made a run at 1000 last year. I'm expecting Johnson to have some decent numbers with Mad Mike Martz calling the plays in the Bay area.

Clark, Desmond CHI TE

Watson, Ben NEP TE

Watson may as well bunk with Maroney, because they both do pretty well when they get the chance and both get nicked up too much. If he can stay upright, over the course of the entire 21 week season I see 50-600-8 (basically 200+ points). Clark has put up some decent totals in CHI and if he can split time with Olsen should again be at least servicable.

Dawson, Phil CLE PK

Hanson, Jason DET PK

Dawson should be decent with the high flying Browns offense and Hanson has been pretty consistent for the Lions (although they probably will score less without Martz).

Dolphins, Miami MIA Def

Packers, Green Bay GBP Def

GB should be ok . . . the Dolphins not so much.

I haven't poured over the other rosters, so I am not prepared to compare this team to any others. However, I got players that I think will do well and think it will be a competitve team, no matter what Bia may say . . .

[Sinrman 38]

Haven't done this in a couple of years. So here are my thoughts (it may take several postings):

Pimpin' Ain't Easy

Player YTD Pts Bye Drafted

Cowboys, Dallas DAL TMQB - 10 1.07

Rams, St. Louis STL TMQB - 5 4.10

Grade: A-

Strong at this position. He pretty much secures solid points from this from both TMQBs. With this being cumulative, he is pretty much guaranteed points for at least one game in the playoffs, maybe more from Dallas (if they can ever get over the hump).

Bush, Reggie NOS RB - 9 2.10

Forte, Matt CHI RB - 8 7.07

Jordan, Lamont NEP RB - 4 9.07

McGahee, Willis BAL RB - 10 3.07

Grade: B

Bush is worth a good bit, but no PPR for RBs (thank you for reminding me, David). Though you couldn't forsee it at the time, McGahee's injury is a little disconcerting, though. Forte could be a nice surprise, but it is likely that he'll split time early on with Adrian Peterson and others, and needs to separate himself from the rest of the pack in Chicago to warrant full-time status. But hey, getting him at 7.07 isn't too bad. And Jordan is a little bit of a sleeper for me. I think he'll put up some points each week, albeit not much, unless Maroney is sub-par or gets injured. Faulk will never be given the full reigns and remain a 3rd down back.

Avery, Donnie STL WR - 5 16.10

Bruce, Isaac SFO WR - 9 8.10

Carter, Drew OAK WR - 5 12.10

Galloway, Joey TBB WR - 10 6.10

Henry, Chris FA WR - - 15.07

Jackson, Darrell DEN WR - 8 11.07

Grade: D+

Eh, not exciting at all. Galloway will produce, and was nice value at 6.10. But the others will see very limited time, barring injuries. Jackson will see more than usual the first few weeks with Marshall out, but it will short-lived once he's back. Henry will have been a nice pickup, IF he's signed by Cinncy or someone. That's a big IF, and even if he is signed, he'll miss the first four games.

Miller, Heath PIT TE - 6 5.07

Pollard, Marcus NEP TE - 4 18.10

Grade: B-

I like Miller, and think he'll be a nice producer. In a league where PPR for TEs is more, he's worth a good bit. Pollard though? Eh, Watson is the starter, but Pollard may surprise us all as Brady tries to find new targets as defenses try and clamp down on Moss and others.

Brown, Josh STL PK - 5 14.10

Gramatica, Martin NOS PK - 9 17.07

Grade: B-

Brown is a nice addition. Question here is whether their offense can move the ball, and is especially questionable as long as Jackson remains out. Gramatica hasn't even won the starting spot from what I can tell, so this was risky, even if it's the 17th round.

Giants, New York NYG Def - 4 10.10

Saints, New Orleans NOS Def - 9 13.07

Grade: B-

The Giants made some changes, but lost a big part of their line when Strahan retired. The Saints have improved, but they had a lot of improving to do since last year. Still, these two should put up a fair amount of points.

Overall Grade: B- (He has a lot of potential playoff-bound players, so this could be bumped up to a B if things work out)

CalBearPlayer

YTD Pts Bye Drafted

Dolphins, Miami MIA TMQB - 4 16.06

Titans, Tennessee TEN TMQB - 6 8.06

Grade: D

Ouch, this one hurts. The Titans TMQB on the surface is not a great pick, but I do have to hand it to CalBear in that he got them in the 8th round, which isn't horrible. The saving grace here is that the Titans, albeit not very pretty, have a shot at the playoffs again this year with that defense, so CalBear may get a game or two extra out of the TMQB come playoff time. The Dolphins? Ugh, it doesn't matter who winds up being the starter, they have a lot of improving to do there. There will be a few decent weeks out of them though.... right?

Brown, Ronnie MIA RB - 4 5.11

Jones, Julius SEA RB - 4 7.11

Lewis, Jamal CLE RB - 5 3.11

Norwood, Jerious ATL RB - 7 10.06

Grade: C+

If Brown can stay healthy (big IF), this could maybe be upgraded to B-. Jones will be splitting time, but getting him in the mid-late 7th round isn't too shabby. Lewis, despite getting up there, was a huge reason for the Brown's success last year. I don't see any reason why this will change much. Norwood was denied the starting role when Turner was signed. But he's a powerful runner who I can definitely see getting more carries than in the past, as Turner gets used to the offense and so the Falcons can keep their new franchise RB healthy.

Bennett, Drew STL WR - 5 12.06

Branch, Deion SEA WR - 4 13.11

Driver, Donald GBP WR - 8 6.06

Ginn Jr., Ted MIA WR - 4 9.11

Johnson, Chad CIN WR - 8 2.06

Williams, Roy DET WR - 4 4.06

Grade: B

I almost gave this group a B+, but after a little thought, I took it down to a B. Driver, #85, and ROY is a very nice tandem in a league like this. All three should put up nice stats, assuming they stay healthy. Ginn and Bennett should at least put some points up here and there, although I don't have huge expectations for them. Branch could be a nice surprise, but coming off an ACL injury, I'm not too hopeful. Latest word is that Holmgren 'hopes' Branch will be ready for the season opener. But the word 'hopes' not very reassuring. The loss of Engram for awhile may accelerate his recovery though, so that could be a bright spot.

Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE - 6 1.11

Shiancoe, Vishante MIN TE - 8 14.06

Grade: A-

Gonzalez continues to defy time. He put up solid numbers overall in this type of scoring last year. I see no reason why he won't again this year. The Vikings traditionally don't use TEs too often, but I think Tarvaris Jackson will be looking to everyone to help him out. Shiancoe may be a little bit of a surprise, and a 14th round flyer could prove very valuable.

Folk, Nick DAL PK - 10 11.11

Nugent, Mike NYJ PK - 5 15.11

Grade: A

Great duo of kickers here. Folk will put up a lot of points for PATs and FGs. He and the Cowboys are almost a shoo-in for the playoffs, too. Nugent's value, along with everyone else on the Jet offense, went up when Favre was signed. He'll have more opportunities for FGs and PATs now. I don't expect playoffs out of the Jets, but he should still be a nice addition, especially for a mid-late 15th rounder.

Bengals, Cincinnati CIN Def - 8 17.11

Falcons, Atlanta ATL Def - 7 18.06

Grade: D-

Obviously this was not a concern, being the last two picks for CalBear. Neither will put up many points. But hey, the sun's gotta shine on a dog's... nevermind.

Overall Grade: C+ (which could be a B- if certain players step it up and prove me wrong).

Biabreakable

Player YTD Pts Bye Drafted

Chargers, San Diego SDC TMQB - 9 6.02

Lions, Detroit DET TMQB - 4 8.02

Grade: B-

This could be ranked a little higher, if Rivers hadn't been hurt late in the season (and the extent and type of injury). But do keep in mind that this is TMQB, and not just Rivers, so points will still be accrued if Rivers goes down again/is ineffective. Detroit is a mess (trust me, I'm a Lions fan, and it doesn't pain anyone more than me). But Kitna is still good for 3500+ yards and probably around 20-ish TDs. They of course won't make the playoffs, but hey, that's not bad for a #2 TMQB and getting them in the 8th round!

Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB - 4 10.02

Jackson, Brandon GBP RB - 8 12.02

Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB - 4 4.02

Perry, Chris CIN RB - 8 11.15

Young, Selvin DEN RB - 8 5.15

Grade: B

Not the most amazing collection of backs, but hey, I like it! Bradshaw served his first 30-day sentence and dodged a suspension from the league. He still has another looming, but I wouldn't expect it to affect his 2008 season. Jackson could be the steal of this group. I think he's looked sharp so far in preseason, and if Grant gets injured/looks like a fluke, I could see Jackson being plugged in quickly and never looking back. Jacobs and Young look like a nice duo, and getting them in the 4th and 5th rounds was nice value. Perry has looked well, so far, and if he can stay healthy, he'll get some nice playing time here and there. Especially if Rudi Johnson goes down again/is ineffective.

Bryant, Antonio TBB WR - 10 18.02

Clayton, Mark BAL WR - 10 9.15

Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR - 7 2.02

Johnson, Calvin DET WR - 4 3.15

McCareins, Justin TEN WR - 6 17.15

Grade: B-

Eh, I really wanted to grade this higher, as I love Fitz and Calvin. Those two should put up very nice numbers. But after them you have Clayton, whom I like, but is stuck on a craptastic offense, McCareins, who is also on a sub-par offense, and Bryant, who is buried on the depth chart in TB (not a promising thing, either). I guess the promising thing here is that the last two WRs were taken in the last two rounds, so anything out of them is huge.

Gates, Antonio SDC TE - 9 1.15

McMichael, Randy STL TE - 5 7.15

Grade: A-

If Gates comes back strong and healthy, and if McMichael can bounce back, this could be a nice duo. McMichael was a little bit of a stretch in the 7th round, and Gates could prove to be risky at 1.15. But hey, it's worth a shot, eh?

Longwell, Ryan MIN PK - 8 14.02

Suisham, Shaun WAS PK - 10 15.15

Grade: B

Both should be decent enough to put up consistent points. Both have the chance of making it into the playoffs, too, which is a plus.

Cardinals, Arizona ARI Def - 7 13.15

Texans, Houston HOU Def - 8 16.02

Grade: C+

Both defenses are on the rise. I wouldn't expect either to make the playoffs, though.

Overall Grade: B

Bri - Brian Moore

Player YTD Pts Bye Drafted

Bengals, Cincinnati CIN TMQB - 8 2.14

Packers, Green Bay GBP TMQB - 8 7.03

Grade: A-

Solid. Palmer should continue to put up solid numbers. Though there's a big quesiton mark looming over Green Bay with Rodgers, I think he'll produce well. I don't think he'll put up Favre-like numbers, but he's been around long enough and has enough tutelage and experience now to handle a lot of the pressure. He also has nice weapons around him, so that helps tremendously. Both teams have a chance at the playoffs, though the Bengals have a lot slimmer chance.

Johnson, Chris TEN RB - 6 6.14

Jones, Kevin CHI RB - 8 12.14

Leonard, Brian STL RB - 5 14.14

McFadden, Darren OAK RB - 5 4.14

Peterson, Adrian MIN RB - 8 1.03

Grade: B+

Yeah, that's right. I just gave a team with Peterson AND McFadden a B+. Now before you ask "WhatchutalkinboutWillis?" hear me out. Peterson will again be a monster, as long as he stays healthy. There's no question there. McFadden though, I think will produce, and do fairly well, but he has Fargas and Michael Bush there this year to take carries away from him. That, coupled with the likelihood that they will ease him into the NFL early on, means he won't put up the monster numbers many think he'll do immediately. Too many look back at what Peterson did last year and think we'll have a repeat. I simply disagree. At least this year! Johnson, Jones, and Leonard could be a decent trio, though none are starters. The nice thing here for Bri is where he got them. There could be some nice value here. If Steven Jackson holds out, Leonard will shoot up the charts, and that would be an absolute steal.

Booker, Marty CHI WR - 8 13.03

Davis, Andre' HOU WR - 8 18.14

Harrison, Marvin IND WR - 4 5.03

McDonald, Shaun DET WR - 4 15.03

Smith, Steve CAR WR - 9 3.03

Grade: C+ (with the potential of a B-)

At first glance, I like this group of receivers. However, there are a lot of question marks looming over them. Will Chicago ever break out of the passing attack funk? If so, Booker's value shoots way up. Davis I think was a nice value pick in the 18th round. Harrison is a huge question mark. I think he CAN and will bounce back, but not quite to what he once did. There's also questions about Manning's status, too, which directly affects Harrison's value, too. McDonald, I like a lot. He is in a pass-happy offense, and easily showed to be #3 material. Being picked in the 15th round was nice value. Steve Smith slipped a little, and for good reason. Missing the first two games hurts a good deal. But when he comes back, look for him to come back with a vengeance.

Fasano, Anthony MIA TE - 4 10.14

Gaines, Michael DET TE - 4 17.03

Grade: D+

Both starters. But both are on crappy teams with no shot at the playoffs. Neither team has shown much desire to pass to the TE throughout the years, either. Neither has really done a whole lot during their careers, either, though Gaines seems to have a little more potential.

Elam, Jason ATL PK - 7 16.14

Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK - 4 11.03

Grade: A

Great choices. Both will produce a lot of points for this postion.

Cowboys, Dallas DAL Def - 10 8.14

Patriots, New England NEP Def - 4 9.03

Grade: A+

Incredible duo of defenses, I must admit. Should produce a solid amount of points nearly every week. What I would question is how early they were taken. Taking two top defenses that early in a draft? Risky!

Overall Grade: B (with the potential of a B+)

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

A few comments.

At 2.14 my first thought was, oh yeah this is a 16 team league. So many 12s and 14s I'd forgotten. I love Housh and CJ and as a result Carson so, the Cincy Team QB seemed like the right pick. The scoring really favors the QB but I was a bit concerned to grab a QB when no one else would...what's the rush then? Carson's been good for a number of years now so I was confident that pick was OK. Around my pick was Anquan who has missed time, LJ who I can't figure out without a great OL in front of him and he missed time, can Welker catch that many again?, Plax's ankle and whining...Carson offerred some peace of mind too I guess.

The Bengals team QB was the 5th team QB off the board. In this format, Cincy finished 14th in 2007 and 7th in 2006 among team QBs. One reason Cincy is unlikely to justify this draft position is they are unlikely to make the playoffs. Pretty hard to see them finishing ahead of all but 4 other team QBs, when 12 other teams will be getting playoff points. And aside from all that is whether or not team QB was a good choice in the second round, given New England, Indy, Dallas, and New Orleans were already gone.

As I mentioned in this thread, I think Smith, ADP, and Carson could have explosive weeks. If this were redraft, I'd figure those 3 would make me the high scorer a few weeks. It's not so I'm just banking on stockpiling points to overcome their "off" weeks.

I remain confused by some of your comments. Off weeks and high scoring weeks are irrelevant. All that matters is how many total points your team has after 21 weeks.

5.03-Marvin Harrison- Like I said earlier, for once I'm not going to be the guy wonderring if he just got the steal of the draft. At least I took Marvin this time. Who knows if I just got the future hall of famer or a has been.

Huge risk IMO. If he plays like he did two years ago, this is a great pick, but I don't expect that. I would not have taken him until much later.

10.14 is my Fasano pick mentioned above. Maybe I could have waited but 10 rounds in I can't risk not getting him altogether....17.03 Michael Gaines- Here's a guy that if you didn't watch closely in Buffalo you didn't see. He played that little and they threw to the TE that little...

In this format, I think waiting to take the two mandatory TEs late is a mistake. I think you have to take them earlier to maximize your possible scoring potential.

14.14 Brian Leonard- Before Jackson's holdout, he started whining his groin was bugging him again. Hold outs always worry me that they'll stay healthy when thrown back into the mix. I think he's a pretty good type guess of which backup RB will see starting time in 08 type player.

IMO going RB at flex is not good strategy, since generally speaking RB is the lowest scoring position. Also, locking in your flex so early prevents you from taking advantage of value that emerges late. As an example, I was able to get Alex Smith at TE for my flex in the 17th round, and there is a reasonable chance he will score 100+ points. Leonard will be lucky to get half of that, unless Jackson misses time.

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

Great draft, David.

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Chambers, Chris SDC WR Jackson, Vincent SDC WR Johnson, Bryant SFO WR Patten, David NOS WR Welker, Wes NEP WR All but Patten should be decent bets to make the playoffs (and I would not rule out the Saints). Welker was a MONSTER last year in this format (like 140 receptions, 1400+ yards, 10 TD). Chambers was near 1300 yards and even V-Jax made a run at 1000 last year. I'm expecting Johnson to have some decent numbers with Mad Mike Martz calling the plays in the Bay area.

This is an excellent group. I think Patten will lose his job to Meacham, so I would have either taken another WR there or targeted him or Meacham in a later round. I assume you meant to say all but Patten and Johnson are decent bets to make the playoffs.

[Biabreakable 4,053]

Now that the draft is over and the keys to the 2008 fantasy season are layed out in their naked glory for all to see, by one of the strongest groups of drafters around I am sure most if not all will agree. It is time to sort out the aftermath of this carnage and give one guys opinion on who was the best prepared, who got caught with their shorts down and who was wearing milk bone underwear.

The lack of a DonnyT sighting was disappointing, I hope he is giving others much unintentional humor elsewhere and I welcome him back if he has the spine to play with us again next season.

Some overall observations 1st.

Qbs were drafted much higher than I have seen for over a decade as has already been talked about previously in this thread. This phenomena is all over the FF landscape this year. I have been countering this with a QBBC approach. We’ll see how that works out for me. I was surprised to see the TE’s last as long as they did in this draft after last year seeing so many get drafted so early. Rbs seemed to last longer in this draft than they have before and all of these things are leading me to think that as a whole drafters are putting too much emphasis on the 2007 season. While I do think some of the things that happened in 2007 are trends that will continue.. I see new rules that will minorly impact overall passing games and give defensive backs more to work with. I also expect running backs to do more this year than they did in 2007.

I will work from the teams in draft order so you can get a flavor of what owners drafting from different positions may be doing and then recap the teams compared to each other at the end. To put a different twist on the LOOK AT ME and RATE MY TEAM write ups I will try to be as negative as possible, so take it personal.

There It Is

4.16 Giants QB - Eli is average at best and he lost Shockey but the Giants could be a playoff team.

5.01 Houston QB - Poor running team helps. Possible playoff team.

I give these Qbs a C+ just because they both have playoff chances. He used 4th and 5th round picks to get these average to slightly above average Qbs..not great value imo.

1.01 LT - Best there is.

11.01 Duece McAllister - If healthy could get some good points.

16.16 Jacob Hester - Not a fan of handcuffs in this format.

18.16 Steve Slaton - Has a chance but this isn’t dynasty.

Pretty crappy group of Rbs after LT. Dmac as a RB 2 is terrible. TII going to bleed points here. I give the group a C+ just because of LT. Maybe Slaton can do something.

6.16 Derrick Mason - old WR crappy Oline and Qbs. No McNair tunnel vision on him this year.

7.01 Patrick Crayton - WR2 and target 3A or 3B for Romo. Inconsistent hands and routes.

8.16 Jerry Porter - Not healthy. Running team will limit his targets.

13.01 Brandon Stokely - White lightning has injury issues but could thrive due to lack of other options.

17.01 Brad Smith - WR3 Favre will throw to anyone so this gives him a chance to score a couple points.

Wow no star power here. Mason was great last season but without McNair I don't see him getting so many looks. If Porter can string together a career year this group could tread water. Otherwise I see this group being below average. C-

2.16 Chris Cooley - solid TE but picking TE here hurts TII through this whole draft imho.

3.01 Dallas Clark - did really well last year with Marvin being out. Clark is a injury risk though.

10.16 John Carlson - Rookie TE rarely do much. Seattle has WR issues that could help his targets.

A lot was invested in these players. All were drafted before TII took a 2nd RB. Cooley is a solid investment but Clark is a risk and I think he could have been better off taking a player of another position. That being said without looking there should be some teams with worse TE than these. B

14.16 Jeff Reed - solid Kicker possible playoffs. Plays outdoors.

15.01 David Akers - Karate master. Playoffs.. Probably not..

While these kickers are pretty good a 14th and 15th round pick is a bit rich imho for Kickers. I would have gone for a more sure playoff team than Philly for this price. C+

9.01 Stillers D - a good defense with playoff hopes.

12.16 Titans D - good defensive coach. Playoffs unlikely (because of VY) but possible.

Like the kickers these picks seem a bit high to me and although the Steelers a great defensive team I wonder how this pair stacks up to others in the league. B-

Overall I do not like TII’s team. He has LT and well.. He has LT. I don’t really see any other stars on this team. Steelers defense might be his next highest rated player by position. Maybe Cooley is top 5. I just expect to see more stars on a team with the 1st overall pick. I know he is high on Tes in this format and they may have looked like decent picks compared to the WR available to him at that draft position but I think he really hurt his overall team by doubling up on them there and not addressing the RB/WR positions (after LT of course) until the end of round 6 is painful. This is the 1st team I looked at but my impression for now is that it may be one of the worst in the league.

Anarchy99

1.02 Patriots QB - The best QB ever with the best WR ever. Yeah this is a huge advantage. Playoffs.

17.02 Baltimore QB - I see the Ravens really in decline. Their Oline isn’t good and all 3 of these Qbs might play. The defense isn’t what it used to be so I see a lot more passing than they want to do.

As bad as Baltimore is this still might be the highest scoring pair of Qbs in the league. Grade A

4.15 Lawrence Maroney - Even if Maroney shares time I think he will get some decent points and playoffs is a foregone conclusion.

5.02 Ernest Grahm - I really like the Tampa Oline. Grahm is one of the best values in drafts this season imo. Not sure about playoffs as I think they have QB and WR issues with an aging and rebuilding defense. Still Grahm is a lock for top 18 Rbs and he could crack the top 12 imo so getting him here is awesome value.

12.15 Kenny Watson - I can see a few points coming from Watson because I think Rudi is done. If Rudi is done and Perry gets hurt again then Watson is going to be huge. Possible wild card team but the Bengals defense is really bad.

15.02 Derrick Ward - Its probably not if but when does Jacobs get hurt. Remains to be seen what kind of time share Ward has with Bradshaw when that happens. Playoffs a bonus as I think the Giants make it again.

I like this group of Rbs and not that much was invested in them. I think Anarchy took advantage of TII neglecting the RB position and grabbed the value that probably should have gone to TII if he was looking for it. There may be a few teams better but it wont surprise me to see this RB group get the best bang for the buck when all is said and done. Especially if Watson and Ward get the breaks they need to contribute significantly. Grade B

2.15 Wes Welker - This is why BB is a mastermind. I have always wondered why teams who have Moss didn’t take more advantage of the deep coverage he commands with more screen game. Well the Pats took this trick and broke it with Welker who is a great YAC WR even when teams KNOW it is coming. Now we are seeing other teams try to copy this success. Too bad those teams don’t have Moss to really make it sick. Definite playoff team.

3.02 Plax Burress - I expect more targets his way with Shockey gone. Will be a better year for Plax than last year as long as he is healthy imo. Playoffs likely.

6.15 Chris Chambers - We saw some good timing between CC and Rivers in the playoffs. I expect that to continue. While I expect Gates to still be the main target this helps CC actually and I think he has a good season. Playoffs almost a certainty.

8.15 Vincent Jackson - The other Charger WR. Jackson will be targeted more if Gates misses any game time. Otherwise he is option 4 on this offense. Still he is good at hitting pay dirt and on a playoff team.

9.02 Bryant Johnson - Could be the WR1 for the 9ers who will be throwing the ball a lot. No playoffs here.

11.02 David Patten - Similar to Jackson in that he will probably be target 4 for Brees. Could lose time to Meachem but I think he hangs on to the starting job at least half the season. I like the Saints to make the playoffs in 2008 because their defense is improved.

I am trying to be negative, but this is a nice corp of WR. Patten could get beaten out and wont see as many targets anyways as long as Shockey is healthy. Chambers and Plax have some of the worst catch percentages for starting WR and need a lot of targets which Chambers may not get.. But they have better Qbs than they did when they had those issues now also so it may wash.. Really hard to fault this WR group which may be one of the best in the league if not the best. Grade B+

7.02 Ben Watson - Don’t see Watson doing much except getting out to block for Welker again. While playoffs help I think this was too high to take him. Homer pick. =P

13.02 Desmond Clark - Bears will use a lot of 2TE but I see Clark losing a lot of targets to Olsen and not doing as well this year. As last. Not a playoff chance in hell.

These TE aren’t scaring anyone. Anarchy trying to tread water at the position here I think. Not sure he succeeded though and still fairly valuable picks. Grade C

14.15 Phil Dawson - Decent kicker. Maybe playoffs.

16.15 Jason Hanson - IIRC he’s hurt.. Might want to look into that. No playoffs here.

Overall not bad for the investment. Maybe I’m wrong on the Hanson injury.. Can’t remember for sure right now. Grade C

10.15 Packer defense - A decent unit but I expect this team to regress.

18.15 Miami defense - Could get some turnover and sack points here because they will be on the field a lot. Special teams with Ginn could be a bonus too. Not bad for one away from Mr Irrelevant.

As much as I hate to say it I like this team a lot. I would possibly swap my squad for this one. Anarchy is pretty solid in his logic knowledge and information and this is his league. He knows things. I think TII helped him scoop a couple guys that maybe shouldn’t have been there and Anarchy took advantage. Maybe Bri was helping out some too.. Drafting this high in the rotation helps in itself and this is more what I was looking for in a team drafting from the top. A lot of stars here in Brady Welker Plax and solid picks throughout. TE and defense.. Maybe Kicker are the only weaknesses I see so this is likely a top 6 team in my eyes before breaking them all down.

Bri

2.14 Bengals QB - Bengals Oline has improved and corrected itself (main problem for the offense last year imo), they also added quality targets to diversify the passing game. I think Perry or Watson will be more involved and all of these things help Palmer. The defense of the Bengals is going to be terrible and that will keep the passing game going full tilt every week. Chad is a loose cannon and that could get ugly as the losses mount. Still most things are aligned for this position to score an awful lot of points. That being said I think this pick was still a bit too high.

7.03 Packers QB - While the Slack have some great weapons to work with we are about to see how good they really are because Favre has made a lot of nobodies look like stars. Remember Schroeder? Rodgers just has that deer in the headlights look in his eyes. And the ghost of Favre will be on his shoulder all year. I could see this going a lot worse than people might think. Greise seemed like a up and coming star replacing Elway for a short time.. But that didn’t work out too well for him.

I think most are higher on the Packers than I am this year. My concerns have more to do with the uncertainty of them losing Favre and all the intangibles that entails. Maybe I am wrong and they will still be successful at least for FF purposes. I like Palmer a lot even though I think the pick was high I could see him justifying it. High investment with some risk to live up to the billing but I can see this pair being one of the better ones in the league. Grade B.

1.03 Adrian Peterson - Just sick talent here and supporting cast to keep him busy. I could see him having a record setting season as long as he stays healthy. One of the few RB that could outscore LT.

4.14 RUN/DMC - Based on what we have seen so far this guy is for real. He may have opportunity managed a bit as I expect the Raiders to get what they can out of Fargas while he is healthy but I still see McFadden putting up a lot of points. Raiders are going to be a running team this year and McFadden is a good passer who might add a TD or 2 that way. They took him off kick return duty already which is telling of how much they intend to use him this year. Good value pick this late.

6.14 Chris Johnson - Perhaps the fastest player in the league. He seems to have more to his skill set than just speed also. Although he will share with White and may not get the goal line looks I still see him putting up a lot of points. Tremendous value for the 6th round. Probably the best weapon the Titans have on offense.

12.14 Kevin Jones - He got CUT by Detroit. Do I really need to say more? The Bears are going to be possibly the worst offense we have seen since Art Shell coached the Raiders with an OC who ran a bed and breakfast. Anything Jones contributes will be more than one should expect from him.

14.14 Brian Leonard - This guy is ok but nothing special. His value is completely dependant on what happens with Steven Jackson. Could be a nice value if Jackson misses a lot of time.

Although many of the players are questionable right now I really like this group of Rbs. I can see them being one of the best groups in the league. I think the value was there for them too being late even round picks. Kevin Jones is the only real loser pick from the group. Grade B+

3.03 Steve Smith - One of the best Wrs in the game no doubt. He will miss 2 games for sure though and he has had injury issues before. At least Qb situation is looking better.

5.03 Marvin Harrison - Supposedly healthy but that was the story last season also. He has caught some balls in preseason but yardage was minimal. I think even if he starts all year he will be used more as a decoy and will not be the Marvin we got used to. I am a big believer in taking risks to get the rewards in this format. I just don’t have any faith in Marvin returning to a level that would make him worth the risk.

13.03 Marty Booker - Never been that talented. Booker had a couple good years with the Bears before because of the huge amount of targets he got. Half of those being WR screen type plays. Grossman is not that kind of QB. I like Booker better if Orton is starting. But Booker has gotten too old to get the YAC that would cause him to get so many targets again. I’m not sure Booker will lead the Bears in receptions this year. This is a late pick so there is some upside that makes this pick worthwhile. I just don’t see it paying off much.

15.03 Shawn McDonald - Will the new offense even use much 3WR sets? I don’t see McDonald having much of a role in the new offense unless Roy Williams is injured.

18.14 Andre Davis - Not bad for this late of a pick as I see the Texans not having much of a running game and will likely have a lot of pass attempts. Davis gets a boost if Andre gets hurt again.

As much as I like Steve Smith these Wrs were good a few years ago but not so much now. Too many of these guys are WR3’s for my liking including Marvin imho. Grade C-

10.14 Anthony Fasano - Yes Parcells reached back to the organization he drafted Fasano for and got him again. I think it is mainly because of his blocking skills however. Serious longshot chance to catch more than 30 balls in 2008 imo.

17.03 Michael Gaines - I regularly play in leagues that roster over 600 players (including IDPs) but I don’t even know who this guy is. That’s probably not a very good sign. Worst part is this guy might be better than Fasano.

So with these picks I see Bri getting crushed at the TE position by at least 300pts compared with most teams. That’s a pretty deep hole to climb out of. Grade F

11.03 Stephen Gostowski - Perhaps the best bet for a kicker pick in this format. Pretty high pick to get him though.

16.14 Jason Elam - Good kicker. Dunno how many chances he will get from what looks to be a poor offensive team imo unless Ryan is a lot better than expected as a rookie. No playoffs here.

Elam was a nice value pick. Gost not so much even though he is probably the best bet at Kicker he was drafted much too high imo. Grade B+

8.14 Cowboys defense - solid and improving defense that just added a dynamic returner in Pacman Jones to make it even better. At least one playoff game likely.

9.03 Patriots defense - this defense while still strong up front will struggle to get off the field on 3rd downs because of its secondary. The playoff impact makes it a really good one still though.

This pairing is a popular superbowl pick and these defenses should be the best in the league. They better be for how high they were drafted. Grade A.

I like this team because it has so many stars. Palmer, AD, Steve Smith, RUN/DMC, Gost and both D’s. And I like the philosophy of high risk/reward for total points format. Unfortunately I think the choices don’t fit the scoring format well enough. If I am wrong and Marvin returns to his former self then this team will be a contender. But I don’t see that happening. And if it does I still see too much of a weakness at the TE position for this team to contend. I do expect it to be middle of the road though as long as it doesn’t pile up too many zero’s each week. Grade C+

Duckboy

8.13 Bills QB - The Bills improved their Oline last season but that still did not help their passing game much. Another season of experience for Edwards and the addition of Hardy at WR may help them to perform a bit better in 2008 but I am not expecting a dramatic improvement. I don’t like the value of this pick because I still see the Bills passing game as being one of the bottom feeders. They were 30th last year and not a whole lot of reason in my eyes to expect them to be much better in 2008.

9.04 49ers QB - The upside of this pick is Martz. I can justify taking them because of this even though the 49ers were dead last in passing last year. Still don’t expect a lot here but I like the upside more than I like the Bills pick.

A pretty bad pair of Qbs will not help this teams cause in 2008. I think he could have waited even longer instead of using the 2 mid round picks on these guys. I looked them over and the only QB pair I like less than this is Calbears Qbs. Grade F

5.04 Edge - I like the value of this pick because Edge is one of the few true feature Rbs in the league right now. Age is certainly catching up with him but he improved his YPC from 3.4 in 2006 to 3.8 in 2007 with the Cardinals. Chance at playoffs in a weakened NFC West.

16.13 Lorenzo Booker - This pick is a prayer that Booker will see a lot of time if Westbrook is injured. And that is not a given.

17.04 Michael Bush - 3rd string RB for the offensively challenged Raiders. I don’t see many points here.

18.13 Darren Sproles - Another prayer that Sproles will see action if LT should be injured. Certainly not a given. Probably the only few points here are if Sproles does something on special teams.

The only RB I see getting significant points here is Edge who is on the downside of his career. RB position was pretty much ignored for the whole draft so this team better be strong somewhere else. Grade F

2.13 Anquan Boldin - I think it is pretty clear that Boldin is WR2 for the Cardinals after what they gave Fitzgerald. Boldin has struggled with injuries also. While he is a very talented WR I don’t see him getting the same high targets as he has before. The possibility of him being traded to a team that will use him more is what I would be hoping for. Chance at playoffs due to weakened NFC West.

4.13 Jerricho Cotchery - Addition of Favre should help him increase his production. Good WR who catches a lot of passes which helps in this scoring system. Outside chance of making the playoffs as a wildcard due to improved Oline and QB.

6.13 Santana Moss - Leading WR for the Redskins. Has only been fully healthy once in his 7 year career. New WCO will put him in harms way more often on slants than he has been in previous offenses. Upside is there for a good season if he can stay healthy and possible playoffs.

7.04 Anthony Gonzalez - I really like Gonzalez to be a value pick this year. He showed a lot as a rookie building chemistry with Peyton from the beginning that started to pay off latter last season. I think Marvin Harrison is done and will be used as a decoy much of the time allowing Gonzalez to get more looks out of the slot. I see AG producing some good numbers even if Harrison plays all season and upside for a lot more if Harrison does not take targets from him. Almost a lock for playoffs.

11.04 Mushin Muhammed - 35 years old now and his game has declined. Some may attribute that to being with the Bears poor Qbs and that he will have a resurgance now that he has returned to the Panthers but I think his game has always been physical and he is not able to beat defensive backs like he once was anymore. So while I do expect Delhomme to look his way a lot I don’t see him returning to his former production there even when Steve Smith is out. He just cannot beat defensive backs as well as he once did anymore. Not bad value though for this late of a pick as he will probably get a lot of targets.

13.04 Michael Clayton - Worth a shot because I think Galloway is finished. His work ethic has been terrible though and he isn’t really gifted physically.

These are a decent set of WR but considering the investment put into them I don’t see a lot to get excited about. Cotch is probably the best value pick out of the group. I don’t see Quan as that much better than him if at all. While I am sure this group will be better than some I don’t see any true stars here. Grade B-

1.04 Jason Witten - Solid pick as Witten finished as the 6th overall player in this format last year. I expect Witten to be heavily involved the passing game once again in 2008 and the Cowgurls should make it to the playoffs again.

3.04 Jeremy Shockey - As long as Shockey can stay healthy I see him being very involved in the high powered Saints passing offense. Brees has shown he can make very good use of the TE before with Gates so its possible for Shockey to put up similar numbers. I expect the Saints to make the playoffs because of their improvements on defense.

I think it will be hard for any team to match what Duckboy has here from the TE position with both players able to compete for TE1 numbers. Both should get playoff action as well. Grade A

14.13 Neil Rackers - Has been the #1 Kicker before. Plays in a friendly environment. Possible playoff team in weakened NFC West. I’m guessing that Duckboy sees the same things that I do from Arizona this year. As the 10th Kicker taken this was pretty nice value. I was targeting him too when I took Longwell instead.

15.04 Matt Prater - Word out of camp is this guy has a very good leg hitting 50+ Fgs with regularity. Mile high kickers have been good ones to have in the past. Don’t see playoffs for Denver this year.

Decent duo but not one of the best. Grade C

10.13 Colts Defense - Lots of turnover and sacks potential. Playoff team. Their weaknesses are not penalized in this scoring.

12.13 Tampa Bay Defense - Another cover 2 defense similar to the Colts D with less chances of the playoffs.

2 good defenses for this format without investing as much as other teams did to get them (drafted 10th and 17th) I like the value of the picks although 10th round still seems early for drafting a guaranteed position. While I realize that defenses start showing up in VBD around round 8 I don’t think there is enough separation from them except for an elite 2 or 3 each year to merit drafting them so high even though that is what people do every year. I like how Duckboy handled the situation and I like his picks. I always wait longer and try to have my picks give me more upside value while hopefully gaining with my other picks in the meantime while I am waiting. Grade C+

Duckboy has a solid strategy for this format in valuing TE and WR more than other positions because of the PPR scoring. Overall I do not like his team because I think he is hurting too much at the RB and QB positions. I would call his draft safe in that he took players who should get him solid production in the 1st 7 rounds of his draft but in playing safe I think he passed up opportunity to distance himself from the pack. Instead of taking the Qbs where he did I think he should have waited and took some RB risks to help him there instead of leaving them for the end of his draft. Or he could have kept taking WR to sure up a advantage there. I did spend a little time looking at what his other options were from the 4 slot and I do see why he chose to take who he did. The 4 slot is not really an advantageous draft position in 16 teams if you do not take RB early. I wont argue taking Witten though as that was a solid pick. I just see a different strategy from his draft position possibly getting better results, but it would require more risk. Grade B-

Joffer

1.05 Colts QB - Solid lock for 4000+ yards and 30 TD since the year 2000. Playoffs in the bag.

18.12 Atlanta QB - Not bad for the last round considering the weapons they have and likelihood that they will be playing catch up.

Solid production from Manning (as long as he is healthy.. Which he always has been) is one of the surest things in football. Ryan has played decently for a rookie and has weapons to work with. Not bad for the last pick of the draft. Grade lower than Anarchy’s just because Peyton is not Brady. Grade A-

2.12 Larry Johnson - Will get a lot of action. But the Oline is not any better than last year. LJ needs to stay healthy.

3.05 MJD - I actually like MJD slightly better than LJ for this season. I think his touches will increase and this guy is sensational every time he has the ball. Possible playoff team again.

10.12 Maurice Morris - Still locked in RBBC for now. But I think Morris is the better RB than Julius Jones and Morris could be the man and not look back. Great value pick for the 10th round. Doubtful to make playoffs.

14.12 Andre Hall - The other Denver RB for 2008. Great value this late as I expect him to put up some points no matter what and he has a chance to take over as the lead back if something should happen to Young.

I like the value of all of these picks. Joffer takes advantage of what fell to him and gets 2 sure RB performers then follows up with 2 RB later in the draft who will get points and have the upside to get a lot more than people expect from them. Grade B

4.12 Brandon Marshall - Great WR who fell in the draft due to off the field problems and at least a 2 week suspension causing him to miss time.Still as Denvers primary weapon I expect him to catch up quickly with other Wrs once he gets on the field.

5.05 Bobby Engram - Good value pick before he got injured. Now joffer has to deal with his 2 highest Wrs missing time. Doubtful to make playoffs.

7.05 Bernard Berrian - Deep threat WR signed by the Vikings for use on play action. Won’t get as many targets with the Vikings. Good chance of at least one playoff game.

11.05 Antwan Randle El - WR2 and target 3 for the Redskins although he may fit the WCO better than S.Moss does. That and special teams give him some upside. Still don’t expect a lot here. Playoffs are possible.

13.05 Derek Hagan - Starting WR with Pennington for the Dolphins who will likely be playing catch up for some decent garbage points.

16.12 Cortney Taylor - rumored to be Engrams replacement while he is out. We’ll see.

These WR would be a lot better if Marshall and Engram were not going to automatically miss quite a bit of time. I consider these players to be solid but unexciting picks except for Marshall who is a wild card. I would rate these Wr as average or middle of the pack if they were not missing time but I have to downgrade them for that. Grade D+

6.12 LJ Smith - Very active TE when he is healthy, but he has yet to be healthy for a full season. His QB has been injured several seasons in a row now also. There is some upside here but an awful lot of risk.

9.05 Ben Utecht - Primary TE now with Palmer. Bengals have no history of using the TE a lot from their current offense. But maybe that will change.

Not a very strong duo here. They do have enough upside to tread water and stop the bleeding for joffer at the position if LJ and McNabb stay healthy and Utect manages 40 catches. Grade C-

15.05 John Casay - Decent kicker for this late of a pick. Remains to be seen how improved the offense is. Unlikely to add anything for playoffs.

17.05 Taylor Mehlhaff - Not assured to win the job. Great value if his does kicking for the high power Saints offense but drawing zeros all year here if he doesn’t.

I like that joffer waited this late but if Mehlhaff doesn’t win the job he is going to lose over 100 some points to all teams that have 2 starters. Grade D (improves to B if Mehlahaff win the job)

8.12 San Diego Defense - Highest scoring defense in this format last year. High pick to get them but this is one of the few teams worth taking high.

12.12 Philly Defense - This defense is just ok now that many of its stars have gotten old. I would have taken the Saints or Colts with this pick because they are more sure to make the playoffs and they actually have more playmakers.

One top 3 defense and a average one. Both were drafted in the top 16. Grade B

I like what this team has at QB and RB. Unfortunately it doesent have enough at WR or TE to be competitive imo. The injury to Engram really hurts and it was too late in the draft for joffer to try to fix it. I don’t see this team competing this year although I don’t really fault joffers strategy for that. He just got bit by bad luck already. More injuries can even the playing field for him over time. Grade C

Will add more teams as time allows...

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

FWIW, here is the Draft Dominator's view of the teams, based on latest (8/14) projections:

2817.2 Just Win Baby

2789.4 CalBear

2746.1 Anarchy99

2667.9 radballs

2663.2 Jiggyonthehut

2657.2 Duckboy

2654.1 Fiddles

2652.8 Old Milwaukee

2642.2 nittanylion

2617.6 Biabreakable

2601.2 joffer

2537.3 There It Is

2508.2 Captain Hook

2502.0 Sinrman

2478.5 Bri

2247.7 Pimpin' Ain't Easy

Caveats:

1. I made no attempt to change projections from the defaults. Obviously many people will have different projections and thus will feel differently than what is shown by these numbers.

2. DD does not factor in NFL playoff games, and thus those points are not accounted for.

3. We use team QBs, so I added 4 rounds to the draft in order to add all backup QBs projected to score any points. So all teams have 4-6 individual QBs. This seems to be the only way to represent team QBs in DD.

Despite the issues cited above, I think this is as good as any other quick view of the results. Injuries will obviously be the biggest factor, but this has done a decent job in past years of assessing the results in Anarchy drafts.

[David Yudkin 10]

FWIW, here is the Draft Dominator's view of the teams, based on latest (8/14) projections:2817.2 Just Win Baby2789.4 CalBear2746.1 Anarchy992667.9 radballs2663.2 Jiggyonthehut2657.2 Duckboy2654.1 Fiddles2652.8 Old Milwaukee2642.2 nittanylion2617.6 Biabreakable2601.2 joffer2537.3 There It Is2508.2 Captain Hook2502.0 Sinrman2478.5 Bri2247.7 Pimpin' Ain't EasyCaveats:1. I made no attempt to change projections from the defaults. Obviously many people will have different projections and thus will feel differently than what is shown by these numbers.2. DD does not factor in NFL playoff games, and thus those points are not accounted for.3. We use team QBs, so I added 4 rounds to the draft in order to add all backup QBs projected to score any points. So all teams have 4-6 individual QBs. This seems to be the only way to represent team QBs in DD.Despite the issues cited above, I think this is as good as any other quick view of the results. Injuries will obviously be the biggest factor, but this has done a decent job in past years of assessing the results in Anarchy drafts.

Interesting that I ranked as high as I did given that I don't use the DD.

[Just Win Baby 2,023]

Haven't done this in a couple of years. So here are my thoughts (it may take several postings):

Pimpin' Ain't Easy

Overall Grade: B- (He has a lot of potential playoff-bound players, so this could be bumped up to a B if things work out)

CalBearPlayer

Overall Grade: C+ (which could be a B- if certain players step it up and prove me wrong).

Biabreakable

Overall Grade: B

Bri - Brian Moore

Overall Grade: B (with the potential of a B+)

Interesting contrast with the DraftDominator projections.