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A week later, I am still crushed. The perspective of a mixed-race marriage and a loss of trust

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Not gonna lie, I was as devastated as Koya, still am. 

But- I look at the Trump supporters in this forum, most of them: SIDA, RBM, Loan Sharks, Court Jester, etc- and they're not racists, and they're not fascists. We disagree on a lot of issues but these are good dudes who love America as much as I do, and I truly believe that if Trump ever tried to do anything that was really racist or bigoted or a threat to American liberty, (I'm not talking about questionable appointments now, I'm talking about laws that actually affect people) these folks would turn against him in a heartbeat. I have no doubt of that, and I think they're representative of most people who voted for Trump. 

There are others, however, who truly are racist and they supported Trump for racist reasons- but they're a small minority here and elsewhere. 

Great post Tim and spot on.

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7 minutes ago, Steeler said:

So from yout POV, these 97 percent are racist for voting for Trump, but found David Duke boring :lol:

He's a one-term state rep and has been all over the map since that time, trying to run for president, senate, governor, house of rep.  He ran for the American Nazi party and failed.  He ran as a democrat and failed.  He ran as a republican and failed.  He ran as a populist candidate and failed.  Reform party, failed.  He comes off as anything but boring, but beyond being a racist #####, he's a wannabe and a loser.  

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12 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

This is a separate point from the concerns Koya is expressing, but anyone taking solace in the bolded is making a mistake IMO. 

I think there is a very good reason that virtually every living person on both sides of the aisle with a firm grasp on what a president actually does- former presidents, chiefs of staff, Secretaries of State and Defense, national security advisers, etc- opposes Trump, or at a minimum is unwilling to endorse him despite being Republicans. 

Both of George W Bush's chiefs of staff were strongly opposed to a Trump presidency. Take a step back and think about how ####ed up that is for a second.  The four living Republicans who know more than anyone what a president actually does (Bush I, Bush II, Andrew Card, Josh Bolten) all opposed their own party's nominee. Two of Bush I's former chiefs of staff are kinda "meh," on him, as is Cheney- that's the closest anyone who truly understands the presidency has come to endorsing Trump [insert Dan Quayle joke here].

Even if Trump was a model of racial, ethnic, religious and gender equality there would still be reason for serious concern about his presidency above and beyond the normal sour grapes stuff.

Well there's a difference in thinking he'll be a good president versus thinking that there's no reason to fear his presidency.

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4 minutes ago, cobalt_27 said:

And it's cousin "they didn't care about certain issues."  You know, like, civil liberties and stuff.

:lmao:

Again you say that as if every person had a voting option that supports 100 percent of their beliefs.  It's not like one can walk in the booth and vote pro life, anti guns, pro equal rights including gay marraige, repeal Obamacare, etc.... You know this already but keep on with the stance that everyone supports everything about a candidate. 

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I'm personally pretty sick of hearing the "Holocaust survivor descendent" bit.  I have a cousin who married a Jewish man so she thinks she can play this card to because of her "children's great grandparents."

Trump isn't Hitler, can't ever have the power of Hitler and his voters aren't Nazis.  This rhetoric has to stop.  No matter what you think of Trump's personal opinions and even if he elects a cabinet of racists, they aren't going to be rolling back the decades of gains in civil rights.  Racism is dying and while there is a bit of racist contingent that helped get Trump elected, it doesn't mean anymore than the black people that voted for Obama just because he was black.  He isn't going to start a holocaust and even if he wanted to, the American people wouldn't let him.  This idea that Jews "aren't safe" or are "in danger" now is ridiculous.

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Just now, Jayrod said:

I'm personally pretty sick of hearing the "Holocaust survivor descendent" bit.  I have a cousin who married a Jewish man so she thinks she can play this card to because of her "children's great grandparents."

Trump isn't Hitler, can't ever have the power of Hitler and his voters aren't Nazis.  This rhetoric has to stop.  No matter what you think of Trump's personal opinions and even if he elects a cabinet of racists, they aren't going to be rolling back the decades of gains in civil rights.  Racism is dying and while there is a bit of racist contingent that helped get Trump elected, it doesn't mean anymore than the black people that voted for Obama just because he was black.  He isn't going to start a holocaust and even if he wanted to, the American people wouldn't let him.  This idea that Jews "aren't safe" or are "in danger" now is ridiculous.

You know who else censored certain rhetoric?

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Maybe 2-3% of the Trump vote was racism, the other 97%-98% was about Hope and Change turning out to be a huge farce, the destruction of the individual health insurance market, and the upper 1% getting a bigger slice of the pie.  Not saying Trump is going to do any better, he just sold the narrative better than a candidate who was more corrupt than Nixon.

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2 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

:lmao:

Again you say that as if every person had a voting option that supports 100 percent of their beliefs.  It's not like one can walk in the booth and vote pro life, anti guns, pro equal rights including gay marraige, repeal Obamacare, etc.... You know this already but keep on with the stance that everyone supports everything about a candidate. 

Well actually they could have done most of that voting Johnson. :ph34r:

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Wow. I'm speechless. We're a week out and there are significant meltdowns still happening. I assume everyone here is an adult, so we might want to start acting like it. 

Is this going to happen again after January 20th? 

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2 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

You know who else censored certain rhetoric?

The DNC via CNN???

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3 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

:lmao:

Again you say that as if every person had a voting option that supports 100 percent of their beliefs.  It's not like one can walk in the booth and vote pro life, anti guns, pro equal rights including gay marraige, repeal Obamacare, etc.... You know this already but keep on with the stance that everyone supports everything about a candidate. 

You're probably right. Things like civil rights are such a small part of the puzzle.

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According to the news I heard this morning, Obama gave his staff a week and a half, two weeks at the most, to express sorrow. Then he said they have to get back to work. I thought the time was a little lenient, but maybe not. 

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Just now, avoiding injuries said:

Wow. I'm speechless. We're a week out and there are significant meltdowns still happening. I assume everyone here is an adult, so we might want to start acting like it. 

Is this going to happen again after January 20th? 

I had to just avoid some Hillary supporter friends this weekend.  Your candidate was hugely flawed, corrupt, and ran a horrible campaign.  You had the option to vote Sanders but weren't smart enough to think for yourself.

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i cant read 6 pages, but jews have godparents?  

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.....a week later
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4 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Wow. I'm speechless. We're a week out and there are significant meltdowns still happening. I assume everyone here is an adult, so we might want to start acting like it. 

Is this going to happen again after January 20th? 

You thought it would end after a week?  It lasted eight years for the last guy, and the worst thing anyone said about him was that he was a Muslim socialist from Kenya.

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Just now, BassNBrew said:

I had to just avoid some Hillary supporter friends this weekend.  Your candidate was hugely flawed, corrupt, and ran a horrible campaign.  You had the option to vote Sanders but weren't smart enough to think for yourself.

Interesting, like this place, there were a couple of people that gave me dung for not supporting Hillary and they weren't kind about it. I sought them out. People think they can classify others they don't agree with as fascists, racists and deplorables for a full year and then when they end up on the wrong side there isn't going to be any consequences? Please. Get out of the fantasy world. If you were a jerk before last Tuesday, don't complain about other people enjoying the moment. Hibernate in your safe space until you gather the ability to act as an adult and accept the situation. 

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2 hours ago, Koya said:

I know there are a number of other threads. I don't give a ####.  I've remained mostly silent in the past week, digesting the events, understanding the calculus less of how we got here (that's fairly obvious to me, with plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the aisle).  But this morning I realized... a family who would have been at the top of my list as Godparents for my wife and I when we have children voted for Trump, and actively support him.  

And then I realized, this election went far further than politics.  It's not that I "won't be friends" with them anymore... but we obviously have hugely different views on the world. And they helped elect someone that has either actively called out and/or encouraged others to do the same while surrounding himself with others who do the same re: racism, anti-semitism, bigotry. Someone who admitted to sexually assaulting someone.  Someone who belittles those with disabilities.

But back to what really struck me... it's a week later and we see instances of hate cropping up with greater frequency than ever.  Boosted by a candidate and his supporters pushing white-nationalism and sowing the seeds of hatred and division.  As some here know, this all with my growing up the son of a Holocaust survivor who studied the rise of a man not unlike Trump in his stated beliefs and certainly approach and rhetoric.  Add to that the fact that my wife is part Latina, African American and Native American and I realize, these people literally support and helped elect someone who has put our lives and freedom, to some degree, in question.

 

 

I can't believe you are making me say this, because I despise Trump.  But:  For the love of god, sack up, man.  I can ALMOST forgive the sniveling of my women friends on Facebook, because they are, you know, women.  But COME ON.

Re: the admitting to "sexual groping" stuff. Many many many, MANY people supported Bill Clinton.  And if a tape came out where old Bill said some of those same things, many, many, many, MANY people would be willing to look the other way and hold their noses and vote for him ("for the good of the country").  That doesn't mean the people who voted for him are sexist and want to grope women.

The "mocking people with disability" stuff: I don't know, man.  I've seen tapes of him aping/mimicking other people (who are not disabled) and he was making those same weird gestures.  But that didn't get reported on because most in the media did, in fact, despise him just like I did.  So I was happy to look the other way when people said that he "mocked those with disabilities." 

The Brietbart guy is terrifying, sure.  I hope he doesn't have a role. 

But the hand-wringing has GOT to stop.  For the love of Christ.  That's why we got into this in the first place:  We've become a populate that LOVES to get offended.  Safe spaces, Colleges turning into giant weenie factories, millenials who are SO EFFING whiny.  

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2 minutes ago, cobalt_27 said:

You're probably right. Things like civil rights are such a small part of the puzzle.

How's that civil rights thing thing been working out for the AA community.  Maybe it's time focus a little more on jobs and education that actually help the AA community.  I heard on the radio today that Charlotte is spending $400K for a study on the response to the recent protests.  

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7 minutes ago, Chemical X said:

i cant read 6 pages, but jews have godparents?  

I don't think his wife is Jewish.  My friend is Jewish and his wife is Catholic.  He hinted that he wanted me to be the Godfather but then said I wasn't eligible because I wasn't Catholic. :sadbanana: 

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14 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

I'm personally pretty sick of hearing the "Holocaust survivor descendent" bit.  I have a cousin who married a Jewish man so she thinks she can play this card to because of her "children's great grandparents."

Trump isn't Hitler, can't ever have the power of Hitler and his voters aren't Nazis.  This rhetoric has to stop.  No matter what you think of Trump's personal opinions and even if he elects a cabinet of racists, they aren't going to be rolling back the decades of gains in civil rights.  Racism is dying and while there is a bit of racist contingent that helped get Trump elected, it doesn't mean anymore than the black people that voted for Obama just because he was black.  He isn't going to start a holocaust and even if he wanted to, the American people wouldn't let him.  This idea that Jews "aren't safe" or are "in danger" now is ridiculous.

Yeah...exactly.

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2 hours ago, Koya said:

the KKK

Good grief.  You may have issues with the campaign, but he didn't associate himself with the KKK.  And, besides, why does anyone care about a nuthouse cult with 6,000 members?  They were worth worrying about in the 20s when they had a few million members (Democrats, BTW), but now?  Please - those dip####s are going to support someone and that certainly doesn't mean that Trump is wearing a white sheet.

The hyperbolous whining doesn't garner sympathy, BTW.

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Only after extreme vetting.

i prefer extreme petting.

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7 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Why you gotta ruin a perfectly good Hitler joke, amigo?

My bad.  I'll move along.  Carry on.

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3 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

How's that civil rights thing thing been working out for the AA community.  Maybe it's time focus a little more on jobs and education that actually help the AA community.  I heard on the radio today that Charlotte is spending $400K for a study on the response to the recent protests.  

A focus on two parent families would have the highest payoff.  That goes for lots of communities on the lower end of the economic scale.  It's what keeps things in a nasty spiral.

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Just now, Sand said:

A focus on two parent families would have the highest payoff.  That goes for lots of communities on the lower end of the economic scale.  It's what keeps things in a nasty spiral.

What sort of policies would you put in place to incentivize two parent families?

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8 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

You thought it would end after a week?  It lasted eight years for the last guy, and the worst thing anyone said about him was that he was a Muslim socialist from Kenya.

Batting .333 ain't bad.

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4 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

How's that civil rights thing thing been working out for the AA community.  Maybe it's time focus a little more on jobs and education that actually help the AA community.  I heard on the radio today that Charlotte is spending $400K for a study on the response to the recent protests.  

Well, they get lynched a whole lot less, and can actually get taught in schools along with white kids.  Oh, and they can actually vote.  And go to the bathrooms with other people.  And not get murdered by random white people.  

 

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14 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Wow. I'm speechless. We're a week out and there are significant meltdowns still happening. I assume everyone here is an adult, so we might want to start acting like it. 

Is this going to happen again after January 20th? 

I suspect it will continue to happen for at least the next four years.

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4 minutes ago, chet said:

I don't think his wife is Jewish.  My friend is Jewish and his wife is Catholic.  He hinted that he wanted me to be the Godfather but then said I wasn't eligible because I wasn't Catholic.

he is raising a goy.  i am a jew and my wife is a goy and thank her family's god i am ineligble to be a godparent.  if i had to be responsible for her family's kids i'd drive into a tree.

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TL;DR, but since you'll still be whining this time next week, can't wait for the "2 weeks later, I'm still crushed" thread title. I'll be on the lookout.

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9 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

How's that civil rights thing thing been working out for the AA community.  Maybe it's time focus a little more on jobs and education that actually help the AA community.  I heard on the radio today that Charlotte is spending $400K for a study on the response to the recent protests.  

Civil rights and economic advancement aren't mutually exclusive

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9 minutes ago, chet said:

I don't think his wife is Jewish.  My friend is Jewish and his wife is Catholic.  He hinted that he wanted me to be the Godfather but then said I wasn't eligible because I wasn't Catholic.

Not true....but I dont want to derail the thread.

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3 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I suspect it will continue to happen for at least the next four years.

Not at this level, right? That's impossible. If the economy doesn't get better, we'll know the pouting has something to do with it. 

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36 minutes ago, cobalt_27 said:
45 minutes ago, timschochet said:

The vast majority of voters in the state of Louisiana preferred Donald Trump. Yet only 3% of them voted for David Duke, running for Senator. 

This suggests to me that most people who voted for Trump are not racists and reject racism. 

Not really.  One doesn't have to think very hard to come up with more plausible alternative hypotheses.  One can be a racist, support racists, and view fellow racists as unqualified, lacking in any other substantive ideas, outdated/boring, etc.

Most people who voted for Trump are probably not racists, but Tim's post showcases extremely poor logical reasoning.

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Not gonna lie, I was as devastated as Koya, still am. 

But- I look at the Trump supporters in this forum, most of them: SIDA, RBM, Loan Sharks, Court Jester, etc- and they're not racists, and they're not fascists. We disagree on a lot of issues but these are good dudes who love America as much as I do, and I truly believe that if Trump ever tried to do anything that was really racist or bigoted or a threat to American liberty, (I'm not talking about questionable appointments now, I'm talking about laws that actually affect people) these folks would turn against him in a heartbeat. I have no doubt of that, and I think they're representative of most people who voted for Trump. 

There are others, however, who truly are racist and they supported Trump for racist reasons- but they're a small minority here and elsewhere. 

Maybe you shouldn't have spent the last year implying/claiming that they are. 

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21 minutes ago, cobalt_27 said:

You're probably right. Things like civil rights are such a small part of the puzzle.

Put yourself in others shoes. To someone that doesn't make a ton of money but their healthcare costs have skyrocketed it may be important but not as important. There are many reasons people vote the way they do. 

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Just now, Slapdash said:

Maybe you shouldn't have spent the last year implying/claiming that they are. 

There was one post in the past year that he temporarily backed off that assertion. Give him a break. 

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4 minutes ago, SIDA! said:

A####ingmen!

Got a bunch of self-righteous holier than thou ####s supporting HRC for months and hurling insults at Trump supporters. Then Trump wins and these same clowns want to talk about how horrible Trump supporters are while positioning themselves as model citizens. Get off your own ####. 

I hope the abuse continues to be piled on these arrogant ####s. And I hope they get triggered like little #####es repeatedly over the next two years as hopefully Trump rams his agenda down the left's throat.

Open wide #####es. No teeth.

You seem like a really mature, level headed person.

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2 hours ago, RBM said:

Seriously your post makes me want to vomit man. Seriously dorks, enough is enough. Sack up and swallow the loss. Time to move on. 

what a #####

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27 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Maybe 2-3% of the Trump vote was racism, the other 97%-98% was about Hope and Change turning out to be a huge farce, the destruction of the individual health insurance market, and the upper 1% getting a bigger slice of the pie.  Not saying Trump is going to do any better, he just sold the narrative better than a candidate who was more corrupt than Nixon.

This. Great posts by Tim in here as well. :thumbup:

 

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6 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Not at this level, right? That's impossible. If the economy doesn't get better, we'll know the pouting has something to do with it. 

My guess is that the level you are seeing now is a fraction of what you will see once Trump gets into office and actually starts doing stuff.

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8 minutes ago, SIDA! said:

A####ingmen!

Got a bunch of self-righteous holier than thou ####s supporting HRC for months and hurling insults at Trump supporters. Then Trump wins and these same clowns want to talk about how horrible Trump supporters are while positioning themselves as model citizens. Get off your own ####. 

I hope the abuse continues to be piled on these arrogant ####s. And I hope they get triggered like little #####es repeatedly over the next two years as hopefully Trump rams his agenda down the left's throat.

Open wide #####es. No teeth.

meth is a helluva drug

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3 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

You seem like a really mature, level headed person.

Ok. You should probably spend less time thinking about me and more time throwing those who are drowning in tears while curled up in the fetal position a life preserver. 

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39 minutes ago, cobalt_27 said:

He's a one-term state rep and has been all over the map since that time, trying to run for president, senate, governor, house of rep.  He ran for the American Nazi party and failed.  He ran as a democrat and failed.  He ran as a republican and failed.  He ran as a populist candidate and failed.  Reform party, failed.  He comes off as anything but boring, but beyond being a racist #####, he's a wannabe and a loser.  

The point is that you are assuming all Trump voters are racist and simply didnt like david duke even though they are racists.  Most Trump suppoets are not racist.

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Of course not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist, but one thing you can say about all of them is that racism wasn't a dealbreaker for them.  

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13 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said:

Not true....but I dont want to derail the thread.

O Rlly.  Please tell me how the conversation went.  TIA

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2 minutes ago, Scoresman said:

Of course not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist, but one thing you can say about all of them is that racism wasn't a dealbreaker for them.  

 

Or, they didn't interpret some of the things Trump did or said as "racism."  So we can't really say "racism wasn't a dealbreaker."

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