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MSU in the Crosshairs - Lawsuit Alleges MSU Encouraged Woman not to Report Rape by Basketball Players; Ohio State University Doctor Abused 177 Athlete (1 Viewer)

from March '17, this ####### numb nutz calls 'em Ambulance Chasers - the hubris and indifference from this ######## is ridiculous, and illustrates why the school needs to be held accountable for their inaction and enabling ... 

>> Joel Ferguson is vice-chair of MSU Board of Trustees, and the first university official to sit down for an on-camera interview since the scandal broke.

“So far, have you seen or heard anything that would suggest to you that anyone at Michigan State University didn’t handle this in the right way?” asked Channel 7’s Ross Jones.

“I have not seen one thing yet,” Ferguson said.

“But if Coach Klages was told as early as 1997 about this and didn’t do anything, isn’t the university at fault?” Jones asked.

“I wouldn’t say that at all,” Ferguson said. “That’s a bad decision that she made, and it has to be stretched to us by all the folks chasing ambulances, because there’s no payday by her.” 

The ambulance chasers, according to Ferguson, are attorneys like Grewal.

“You can tell Mr. Ferguson, if this was his daughter, his granddaughter, would he be saying the same thing?” Grewal asked. “I doubt it. <<

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Tom Servo said:
It's OK. Even though I went to one class at PSU, I call myself a t-shirt alumni. A lot of fans are embarrassed by what happened and know that for the rest of their lives this incident will be thrown in their faces. People still refer to Michael Jackson as a kid toucher, and he's been dead - what? ten years? Sometimes, you let it slide. This time, I couldn't.

I think with a topic like this, emotions will run high. It's understandable; no one in the two standard deviations of humanity are in favor of sexually abusing kids. We can't wrap our heads around it. It hits us at a base, emotional level and our response is to want to burn everything down. Once the Israelis caught, tried, convicted and executed Adolph Eichmann, they cremated him immediately, took his ashes out to sea in international waters, dumped them out and finally rinsed out the bucket the ashes were in. They wanted no part of the evil personified by Eichmann to have any contact with their shores. It's essentially what we're feeling here.
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alumnus*

If you are one person, you are an alumnus.  "I am an alumni" is only accurate if you have Disassociative Identity Disorder or are possessed..

 
Tom Servo said:
Nice generalization, corn-fed hick.
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At least you don't have to read his ####ty posts on multiple message boards. And to think I actually said I enjoyed my trip to Iowa City this past season.

 
jabarony said:
Didn't PSU honor Paterno at a game just a couple years back?  Not saying all PSU people did, but that seems like an odd thing to do to appease a vocal minority. Or perhaps a better way to say it -  an odd thing to do if a majority of the PSU supporters were vehemently anti Paterno.
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The most ridiculous thing I read from PSU fans here was when some RB left the team to play elsewhere and they said he had no integrity.  Blew my mind, that the fans of a program that covered up a decades long child rape saga said a guy that wanted no part of the program lacks integrity.

 
McGarnicle said:
I think if I had a daughter in gymnastics I'd be wary of every male who chose a profession in that world. Just common sense, a certain percentage are going to choose that career because they are pedophiles. Not a huge percentage and I wouldn't be paranoid about it, just vigilant.

The idea that a girl would report abuse and her parents wouldn't believe her??? Mind boggling. What in the holy hell?
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Small sample size but my daughter is involved in gymnastics and I was at a smaller meet yesterday and didn't notice any men in positions of coaching or training. Just the public address announcer. FWIW.

 
jabarony said:
Didn't PSU honor Paterno at a game just a couple years back?  Not saying all PSU people did, but that seems like an odd thing to do to appease a vocal minority. Or perhaps a better way to say it -  an odd thing to do if a majority of the PSU supporters were vehemently anti Paterno.
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They honestly barely mentioned him in the presentation. Very overblown by the non-local media. If he had really been celebrated as though he did nothing wrong, it would have been a much bigger, more comprehensive celebration. It wasn't. It was also to recognize his team from those days, whom did nothing wrong.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
So is the USOC and USA Gymnastics. So is the NCAA. Shut all college and Olympic programs down?

I think every single person who was reported to and did nothing should be punished to the fullest extent. These are vile people - either ill & demented like Nassar or (and in my mind even worse) those who knew and didn't do a ####### thing because their priorities are so twisted. Burn them all. Every single person in a position of power who knew and did nothing - hack them, prosecute if possible, and ban them for life.

But I don't think MSU Athletics itself should be shuttered. The real "umbrella", in this case, is USAG. Many of these violations took place away from MSU and with kids with no connection there. 
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The NCAA didn't look the other way. The MSU administration did. That's why I think the NCAA needs to punish MSU. And the punishment needs to be harder than what PSU received, given the PSU punishment didn't seem to motivate MSU to do the right thing at all.

As for the NCAA punishing USOC and USA Gymnastics, they don't have that authority. 

 
Politician Spock said:
Gotta say this is a strong argument. First off, if the punishment PSU got didn't scare the MSU administration enough into doing something instead of being another school that just looks the other way, then the punishment to a school for looking the other way needs to be harsher.

It sucks that this would affect the football and basketball programs, but they are under the umbrella, and the umbrella is the problem. 
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Hate to Keerock this thread, but I don't know that you can say it didn't influence how MSU acted. The crimes were committed and the administration was silent over a number of years before the true Sandusky fall out. I think you need to judge organizations several more years in the future on their reactions to these kinds of atrocities before you can judge whether Penn State was a kind of a deterrent. I hope to hell it will be a deterrent as that would be a small silver lining.

 
Spartans Rule said:
Iowa won that game 37-6 and Chris Rucker's presence on the field was without a doubt a huge boost to the Hawkeyes. One of the worst players in MSU history IMO.
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Yep. I was there. 

 
On this board? Or the other board? 

Anyway no reason to derail the thread any more. Apologies to the other thread readers. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
They honestly barely mentioned him in the presentation. Very overblown by the non-local media. If he had really been celebrated as though he did nothing wrong, it would have been a much bigger, more comprehensive celebration. It wasn't. It was also to recognize his team from those days, whom did nothing wrong.
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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/17/12950312/joe-paterno-penn-state-50th-anniversary-ceremony

It looks like it was a Paterno centric 50th anniversay ceremony where the crowd gave him a standing O.  Seems at odds with you description.

 
Politician Spock said:
The NCAA didn't look the other way. The MSU administration did. That's why I think the NCAA needs to punish MSU. And the punishment needs to be harder than what PSU received, given the PSU punishment didn't seem to motivate MSU to do the right thing at all.

As for the NCAA punishing USOC and USA Gymnastics, they don't have that authority. 
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You completely missed my point. Your umbrella is in the wrong place.

Being a world-class pedant, I know another when I see one and have no interest in pounding nails with sledgehammers with you for 47 pages. Carry on, y'all.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
You completely missed my point. Your umbrella is in the wrong place.

Being a world-class pedant, I know another when I see one and have no interest in pounding nails with sledgehammers with you for 47 pages. Carry on, y'all.
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I'm open to being convinced of your point of view... if you can show me where the NCAA looked the other way here. Maybe I missed it. 

 
jabarony said:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/17/12950312/joe-paterno-penn-state-50th-anniversary-ceremony

It looks like it was a Paterno centric 50th anniversay ceremony where the crowd gave him a standing O.  Seems at odds with you description.
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Eh, I must have missed your point. I took it as saying they celebrated him as if nothing had happened. I think it’s very clear that it would have been a much, much bigger celebration had they acted as if nothing happened. You can see some people, probably a quarter to a third, not standing or celebrating at all. 

Now if you meant his legacy shouldn’t be acknowledged or celebrated at all, then your response makes more sense.  But I  think that’s a very unlikely thing to honestly expect. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Eh, I must have missed your point. I took it as saying they celebrated him as if nothing had happened. I think it’s very clear that it would have been a much, much bigger celebration had they acted as if nothing happened. You can see some people, probably a quarter to a third, not standing or celebrating at all. 

Now if you meant his legacy shouldn’t be acknowledged or celebrated at all, then your response makes more sense.  But I  think that’s a very unlikely thing to honestly expect. 
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Why not?  Seems really odd to not demand a higher accountability level with all facts out there. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Eh, I must have missed your point. I took it as saying they celebrated him as if nothing had happened. I think it’s very clear that it would have been a much, much bigger celebration had they acted as if nothing happened. You can see some people, probably a quarter to a third, not standing or celebrating at all. 

Now if you meant his legacy shouldn’t be acknowledged or celebrated at all, then your response makes more sense.  But I  think that’s a very unlikely thing to honestly expect. 
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Temple fans rarely stand or celebrate at football games. 

 
culdeus said:
Why not?  Seems really odd to not demand a higher accountability level with all facts out there. 
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I don't want to derail this thread with more talk about Penn State and what constitutes "facts". My point was that implying that the current Penn State administration or its fans and alumni treated Paterno's 50th anniversary normally, or as though nothing happened, is clearly false. I don't want to debate whether they should have pretended it never happened. 

I do have a pretty strong opinion on the "punishing organizations" thinking and will post those thoughts later. I'm sure no one can wait.

 
Izzo just revised his statement. Saw it on twitter but basically he said that he misspoke and is glad Nassar is in prison. And he has a ton of respect for the survivors.

 
Jesus H. Christ this story. I've been in the dark about it before this thread, and wonder why it's been so slow to blow up. I don't have the words to express my full disgust and shock. 

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
What a ####### izzo is. How n the #### can you say something like that. Keep your mouth shut
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To be fair, maybe it’s an old college basketball coach thing. Remember Coach K defended Paterno in the immediate aftermath of that scandal, saying something about older people knowing about “funny uncles” or something like that. 

 
I will say this - it seems to me that MSU is bearing the brunt of the story now - but what about the US Olympic Gymnastics program?  I think there has been some turnover there - but seems like everyone in a position of authority in the program should be fired, and start from scratch.

 
Izzo's statement was not prepared -- he was speaking off the cuff at a post-game press conference. "I hope the right person was convicted" is clearly out of step with the rest of his response, which makes plain that he is personally certain Nassar did what he is accused of doing. I chalk it up to a brain fart on Izzo's part.

 
Doug B said:
Izzo's statement was not prepared -- he was speaking off the cuff at a post-game press conference. "I hope the right person was convicted" is clearly out of step with the rest of his response, which makes plain that he is personally certain Nassar did what he is accused of doing. I chalk it up to a brain fart on Izzo's part.
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Man, I'm hoping he meant "I hope all responsible parties (right persons) are convicted."

 
otb_lifer said:
there was a picture making the rounds on reddit a few months ago, back when it broke that McKayla was foregoing her 'gag order', and ready to speak out ... it was from London 2012 - now, she (Maroney) was a whirlwind of personality during those games, usually exhibiting either: jubilation, intensity (or resting "##### face", as the kids say), and, of course, the now (in)famous not impressed podium moment ...

but the pic i am referring to was of Nassar working her thigh, and she had a look of lifelessness to her, almost a doll-like, catatonic blank expression, totally bereft of any of the emotion/animation she made her trademark.  it's chilling now to think that she, along with the rest, were completely subjugated to this #####'s "treatment" as their main source of injury relief, preperation, etc.   i mean, there she is, the biggest moment of her life, and this guy is working her before the eyes of the entire world ... and she has that intimate knowledge of the assaults he perpetrated on her - talk about a pic telling a thousand words ... like i said, chilling is the only way to describe that shot  :(
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http://d1nnx3nhddxmeh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/04091342/McKaylaMaroney21.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jeqndbBZB0o/maxresdefault.jpg

 
AAABatteries said:
I imagine there are literally hundreds/thousands of creepy photos of this guy.  Just horrible.
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and, lest we forget, he was originally imprisoned for having close to 40,000 kiddie porn images/vids/etc on his hard drive - so, yeah - this is some exceedingly deep and twisted #### he had going on for decades. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
To be fair, maybe it’s an old college basketball coach thing. Remember Coach K defended Paterno in the immediate aftermath of that scandal, saying something about older people knowing about “funny uncles” or something like that. 
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Sounds to me like an old coach fraternity.  I'm sure they all have major skeletons in their closets and therefor feel the need to defend each other.  I think Coach K is an ### too but I use to like him.  I also use to really like Paterno.

 
15 year old Emma Ann Miller has been reported to be the final,victim of this guy just a week before he was fired.

Michigan States billing department is still sending bills for the treatment ahe received. Per the Twitter. If there is a worse way to handle the PR of this horrific story I can't think of it.

Although the USOC and US gymnastics seems to be trying.

 
ESPN ran a long story about this guy.. the quote/line that stood out most to me was that members of the physicians "fraternity" (for lack of a better word), when questioned by lawyers, said they couldn't condemn Nassar's actions because there is a very nuanced difference between sexual assault and a proper physical exam.

wtmf

does this mean parents have to be in the exam room with their kids well in to their 20s to ensure no shenanigans? even if you are, how does a lay person differentiate between a sexual assault and a routine exam?

jfc

 
mr. furley said:
ESPN ran a long story about this guy.. the quote/line that stood out most to me was that members of the physicians "fraternity" (for lack of a better word), when questioned by lawyers, said they couldn't condemn Nassar's actions because there is a very nuanced difference between sexual assault and a proper physical exam.

wtmf

does this mean parents have to be in the exam room with their kids well in to their 20s to ensure no shenanigans? even if you are, how does a lay person differentiate between a sexual assault and a routine exam?

jfc
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There is one report out there that he assaulted a girl while her mother was in the room I think.  Frankly though I'm not going to look to be safe because seriously that search history...

 
Yankee23Fan said:
There is one report out there that he assaulted a girl while her mother was in the room I think.  Frankly though I'm not going to look to be safe because seriously that search history...
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There was a dad in the room while his daughter was being assaulted.  Larry would block his view and digitally penetrate her, talking to the dad as if he were discussing the weather.

MSU billing a 15 year old victim for treatments from Nassar still.  How tone deaf is this university?

 
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