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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (3 Viewers)
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Henry Ford
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Henry Ford
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adonis
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Steve Tasker
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timschochet
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Did you see the movie about Tonya Harding? It’s like the scene when Jeff (her husband) goes to bar to meet his buddy knowing that he’s wired by the police and tries to deny the whole thing.
Matter of fact- earlier I used the example of the OJ jury to describe Trump supporters like Don’t Noonan. But if we’re talking about what Trump actually tried to do here, which was so incredibly stupid, then the Tonya Harding story is a pretty good comparison- with Rudy G in the role of Jeff’s buddy, the fat dude with all the conspiracy theories.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
To reinforce this, the 'no quid pro quo' text from Sondland was after the White House and crew had caught wind of a whistleblower complaint.
Spare me, if you cared about facts, you'd do research, even if the result disagrees with what you thought you knew. You don't, so you won't.
adonis
Footballguy
The GOP wouldn't be able to handle a criminal saying the opposite of what he wanted, but it was still understood it was what he wanted.
Boss: Don't kill Tony, don't go check on the guys and bust some heads over not paying protection money, and no matter what, don't rob the bank down the road.
If Tony ends up dead, the guys get beat up, and the bank gets robbed, the GOP would have no option but to conclude, based on the transcript, that the Boss had nothing to do with it.
Boss: Don't kill Tony, don't go check on the guys and bust some heads over not paying protection money, and no matter what, don't rob the bank down the road.
If Tony ends up dead, the guys get beat up, and the bank gets robbed, the GOP would have no option but to conclude, based on the transcript, that the Boss had nothing to do with it.
hagmania
Footballguy
QUID PRO QUO OVERRATED
TRUMP'S INTENT PLAINLY STATED
LONG HAVE WE WAITED
NOW GOP IS JEBAITED
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Yes, I think Taylor wasn’t on board with this and tried twice to get it acknowledged. That’s why he responds “call me” and then Taylor, in the next exchange, talks about their phone conversation. When does he testify?
mcintyre1
Footballguy
The last few pages are mostly covering that, the main thing we have from it is about 9 pages of texts and contextual information that was released late last night by some of the House committee chairs.
TheMagus
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I just finally read through all the text messages. It's all laid out. A pre-condition of a meeting at the White House was Zelensky making a public statement that their government was opening an investigation into Burisma - not corruption in general, specifically Burisma. So the intent was to put out there in the headlines that an investigation into the company that Biden's son sat on the board for was being investigated by a foreign government. And that was a clear condition of Zelensky being invited to the White House.
This is completely insane. This is way worse than I thought it was going to be.
Henry Ford
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So weird. Seems similar to something that happened in 2016, I just can’t put my finger on it.
Sheriff Bart
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Those were facts...and there is enough from the "transcript" plus those texts and what we have seen of the complaint to move forward with the "in"peachment process.
adonis
Footballguy
Trump: "Sure I did it. I'd do it again. See, here, China, if you're listening, I'd like for you to open an investigation into Biden and his son too because they were WAYYY crooked. See, I just did it again, no big deal. And I did it publicly too so there must be nothing wrong with it!"
Oh, and you guys remember when the GOP was excusing Trump's behavior in soliciting foreign government dirt on Hillary in the 2016 election by saying he was a political newbie, and just didn't know the laws, didn't know it was wrong?
So, it turns out, that wasn't a good excuse.
The truth is, that Trump will betray anyone, use anyone, destroy anyone, use anything to get what he wants. Which is power.
There are no rules for Trump, only things he can and can't get away with. And with the GOP silent, complicit in his misdeeds, there's not much to this point that he can't get away with, when those in charge of enforcing laws and norms and standards refuse to do their job, because it might affect their positions of power.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
It's funny to watch you interact with more and more independents and conservatives on the board.
Have fun going down with the ship.
Steve Tasker
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[scooter]
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Don't Noonan
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I have done the research, I don't appreciate you falsely accusing me of something. Grow up. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they don't look at facts. There are a lot of people who have concluded what I have. Jump out of the echo chamber or CNN for a bit, you may learn some things!
Don't Noonan
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It will be great to tell you I yold you so just like Russia nothing burger! Winning is much better, you should join me.
sho nuff
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Thunderlips
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toshiba
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That one guy
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Trump: What’s that? Harry Potter’s involved?! Told you, WITCH HUNT! I do like the lovely Hermione, though
mcintyre1
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I'm not sure I'd read that as wavering, maybe trying to frame it as "we were only looking to have them investigate 2016, not interfere in the 2020 election"?
adonis
Footballguy
The President has admitted to asking foreign leaders to open investigations into his political opponents.
This is not acceptable. There is evidence that he attempted to use funding to ensure the investigation was opened.
The man is not advocating for American interests with the power of his office, but rather to use the power of his office to help him hold power by sullying the reputation of his political rivals by being able to show they're under investigation by foreign leaders for corruption. How do you think Trump would spin that news had he received confirmation from Ukraine that they'd open an investigation into Biden and his son?
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adonis
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Henry Ford
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"She's a very attractive woman. Maybe an 8. A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Not only open an investigation on the Bidens, but also into 2016 meddling to cloud the fact that it was Russia who did the hacking.
If he somehow weathers this, he will ease sanctions on Russia either in his next term or during his lame duck period, specifically the magnitsky act.
Dickies
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Just read article about this indicating Cornyn’s office walked this back, something about it was handed to someone else (Durham?, Durnam?).
This was followed by Durham (?) spokesperson saying Biden was not a subject of their investigation.
Seems the object is just to keep Biden’s name associated with “investigation”.
eta: wasn’t an article, was a live feed with updates. A “person with knowledge of the situation” said Cornyn was referring to a “possible future expansion” of the Durham investigation to include the Biden’s. Hmm.
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[scooter]
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Your "research" led you to call Adam Schiff a liar based on misunderstanding what he said. Then you doubled down and proclaimed that if Schiff didn't commit a crime that time, then it was only a matter of time before he got caught committing another crime.
You're tilting at windmills. You're out of your element, Donty.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
False. I keep having to correct you guys as you really have problems with comprehension. As I have stated numorous times my biggest issue is what is best for the country. Trump is crushing it right now with unemployment at 50 year low. With that said, if he ever does something worthy of being impeached I will be happy to impeach him.
adonis
Footballguy
And ask yourself how ANY of this furthers American interests?
Is it easier to believe it furthers American interests, or simply furthers the interests of politician Donald Trump?
If the latter, he's abusing the powers of his office to maintain power. That's worthy of impeachment.
If he were doing this for America, it would be run through the state department, or through our criminal systems that are set up to run this all to ground. Not through his personal attorneys, or the AG. It's abuse of power, plain and simple.
And if you're tempted to even try to give the President the benefit of the doubt, ask yourself whether it's suspicious that he removed the Ukrainian ambassador during this period of time for any reason other than she refused to go along with this terrible idea? We currently don't have an ambassador to Ukraine - coincidence?
Snorkelson
Footballguy
He’s not even trying to fill positions at this point, just has some hack he appoints everywhere.
adonis
Footballguy
If he were using his power as president to further his own political agenda by attempting to have an investigation opened into political rivals so that he can use that investigation to tarnish said political rivals, would that qualify as an offense worthy of impeachment?
If not, what if he threatened to withhold aid to that country until they played ball?
If not that, what happened if folks in his administration were so concerned about the nature of this request, that they attempted to cover up all conversations to this effect by putting it on a highly classified system, which would be unusual for standard communications?
If not that, add on that he then removed anyone from power who believed his approach here was an abuse of power.
And if not any of that, I'm afraid I'm not interested in what you consider an impeachable offense if, when all of those things are proven true, you still don't consider them worthy of impeachment.
adonis
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Of course, because it prevents people from standing up to him.
We basically have an "acting" government, and he has all of his people in place to ensure they're all "acting" according to his interests.
Bold of you to assume I need to grow up and that I watch CNN. That boldness was ill placed, as I refuse to watch it or Fox, and I try to see both sides of an issue, instead of blindly parroting what's been spoon fed to me. Thanks for playing, you win no points.
[scooter]
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Henry Ford
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