roadkill1292
Footballguy
Arizona, Iowa, Maine and an outside shot at Georgia.They will need four because of the one they're probably going to give back in Alabama.
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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (4 Viewers)
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jamny
Footballguy
hmm . Colorado, Arizona, Maine, Iowa, maybe North Carolina - I think these could all be in play with the right candidates/turnout
But, Dems probably losing Alabama
Having the court compel testimony/documents? I'd say its better than 50/50. It should be much higher - and I think Roberts would tilt in favor of Congress. But the Kavanaugh nomination makes it a little closer than it should be.
I should add - its also worth pursuing - even if the SC rules against the House for a couple of reasons - its better to have it settled one way or the other for future reference. And, the longer it goes in court, the longer it looks like Trump is simply trying to hide something.
Of course, I think the documents and testimony would be damning enough to convict - so sometimes its better to let people assume you are guilty than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Of course, I think the documents and testimony would be damning enough to convict - so sometimes its better to let people assume you are guilty than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
One of the fuzzy areas now - because there is not direct testimony - "who made the call to hold up the aid? And, why?"
To me those are fundamental questions that the House should demand to know - not assume.
Once you get the White House committed to a story there (they have offered several publicly) - then you can begin to tear it apart. But as long as the answer remains vague and fuzzy, you can't convince the public that the White House is playing games.
The obvious follow up becomes - "What changed?" "Why did you release the aid?" Nothing changed. So, the White House is kind of stuck with a BS response no matter what the settle on for why the issued the hold.
To me those are fundamental questions that the House should demand to know - not assume.
Once you get the White House committed to a story there (they have offered several publicly) - then you can begin to tear it apart. But as long as the answer remains vague and fuzzy, you can't convince the public that the White House is playing games.
The obvious follow up becomes - "What changed?" "Why did you release the aid?" Nothing changed. So, the White House is kind of stuck with a BS response no matter what the settle on for why the issued the hold.
yak651
Footballguy
I thought there was confirmation that the call was saved on the restricted access server? If so was wondering if the House would be privy to this call then or with being on that special server does it mean no one can access it?
boots11234
Footballguy
He is not going to be removed from office. Get over it. Forget about Russia, Ukraine etc. focus on the election. If I were on your side I’d focus on the lousy unelectable candidates you have running and try to moderate one of them or find a new one. Otherwise this is another blowout.
McBokonon
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I don't think Trump and the GOP have been shy about demonstrating their loyalty tests.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Nobody is claiming he will be removed. Why get over it? This is part of congress’s job. Oversight.
Also, I don’t think the House impeachment is keeping people from campaigning. Also the top candidates are far from lousy and much more electable and fit to serve than Trump. All far more qualified than he ever was.
Another blowout would suggest the first one was...which would be highly inaccurate to say.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Pelosi/Schiff are making this too easy. The Democrat Presidential candidates will be begging these people in Congress to shut up soon.boots11234 said:Please continue with impeachment full speed ahead!
Nancy Pelosi’s impeachment resolution day turned into a MASSIVE fundraising day for @realDonaldTrump.
$3 MILLION raised online alone in one day.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
This administration, and the campaign before it, have been working with foreign agents/governments to undermine the elections. Elections are no remedy in that case, unless the illegal influences are stopped. Apparently that won't happen without something like impeachement.
It's essentially nonsensical to recommend relying on a process that is being actively sabotaged at the behest of the incumbent, with the full weight of the resources of the U.S. government now being applied to accomplish the sabotage. Until that is corrected, the elections can't be relied upon.
Mile High
Footballguy
McBokonon
Footballguy
Trump raised $125 million in the third quarter, which is indeed staggering.
The Democratic candidates combined for $137.5 million though, which is also remarkable considering one of them is Marianne Williamson and another one is Steve (?) Bullock. So, that's $12.5 million more going to Democrats than Trump in the third quarter, and there's a ton of people (me included) who won't really start giving until we know who the candidate is.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Perhaps, but there's plenty of time for foreign interests (or, hell, domestic interests) to rig the election.
I wish I were being sarcastic with that sentence.
boots11234
Footballguy
Ok. Looks like I get to enjoy another round of video montages from election night of shocked and saddened Democrats. Don’t say I didn’t warn you because if you think anyone from the current crop is electable you are part of the problem that is the Democratic Party. .
boots11234
Footballguy
You must be referring to Obama and the deep state trying to remove a elected president. There’s a reason that it was changed to a criminal probe.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Will do!boots11234 said:
boots11234
Footballguy
And there’s a ton of people who will stop giving once we know who the candidate is. Surely you see this.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
boots11234
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
There's some more of that Trumper confidence I was talking about earlier. The lack of doubt and uncertainty is astonishing.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yes. Care to address the illegal collaboration between the Trump administration/campaign and foreign governments to influence our elections which did and continues to go on and how it renders your appeal to the election as a meaningful approach to correcting such problems ineffectual?
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Well, the call was so "perfect", no human would have been able to handle it. If they were regaled with the tale of the call, it would have been like a scene out of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Their face would have started to shrivel up from their ear and the skin melt off their face. It was really for humanity's own good that he was ordered not to talk about it.
boots11234
Footballguy
Borrowing an idea from that other thread when it went the other way. The line your side always put to mock us, how did it go? Oh yes:
RUSSSSSSIAAAAAAAA!!!!!
did I get that right?
boots11234
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
On 2016 election night it seems that it was the Hillary supporters that lacked doubt and uncertainty, not the Trump folks.
The Commish
Footballguy
Thanks....I'll heighten my attention in those areas. I had thought about NC, but completely dismissed Maine and AZ.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I don't understand what you're trying to say here, so I can't answer.
More importantly, it doesn't seem to go toward a response to my initial line of comment/inquiry:
Unless the impeachment mechanism is invoked to clear up seeming abuses of power and illegal foreign collaboration to influence elections, the elections can't be relied upon as a remedy to remove the people conducting the improprieties from power. It would be illogical to not invoke impeachment in this case if one is interested in ensuring elections are to be reliable.
The Commish
Footballguy
There's no doubt in my mind that the NSA has it. They have every single phone call you and I have made since the mid 80s...as I said earlier, it's just a matter of going and finding it.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
For what it's worth, there are two Senate races in Georgia so if you think that state is flippable (I'm doubtful), in theory the Dems could pick up both seats.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Dems won a Senate seat in AZ last year and the GOP is running the same candidate who lost that race. 538 is rating the Maine race dead even in a blue leaning state.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
The fact that there's two is why I think Dems have a chance to get one. The last statewide races were tight tight tight, the demographics continue to move the Dems' way and the GOP may be hard pressed to run two quality candidates because they're, well, Republicans.
zoonation
Footballguy
If I understand you right, even if Trump did use his office to leverage foreign policy for personal political gain, you don't care because it is the Ukraine? Is that right?
I would suggest that most people who consider this an abuse of power do not care which country the abuse of power relates to. It is the abuse of power itself that people have a problem with.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Wait so this is about Ukraine now? Weird. I thought it was about the corrupt POTUS...
McBokonon
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
God bless SoL.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you mean here. Trump winning in '16 fills you with confidence re: '20?
BigJim®
Footballguy
The impeachment strategy seems fine to me, as I've felt all along the end result of impeachment/removal is a pipe dream. Trump was right that he could quite literally shoot someone on 5th Ave. JMHO, people like me, who are more in the middle and are nauseated by alt right messaging, terrible foreign policy and obvious corruption, are going to decide 2020. I want accountability and preservation of American values, so going through the hopeless process matters to me as a 2020 voter. What I don't trust is Democrat ability to select a 2020 candidate; e.g. appealing to people in the middle, then putting someone on the ballot that appeals only to the far far left.
Mile High
Footballguy
Might not be in 2020 but there are a few red states ready to turn blue just like Colorado did. I know we have discussed colonization before, it will happen on it's own soon.
Zow
Footballguy
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