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2005 FBG/NFL Mock Draft Rounds 2 and 3 (2 Viewers)
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Bobcat10
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With the 3rd pick in the 3rd round, the Cleveland Browns select...Mike Patterson - DT - USCI'm not sold on any of the QBs left on the board, and I'm sure one of them that I'd take a chance on would be there in the 4th. Gave major consideration to Jamaal Brimmer - S - UNLV, but with Jones being healthy the Browns have to see what they used a 2nd round pick on last year. They also have decent depth at this position, although I could care less if Griffith and Little were cut.Mike can go as high as the late first round or fall all the way out of the 3rd IMO. The issue, of course, is his size for a DT. Mike is listed at 6'0 and approx 290lbs (and I've even seen him listed at 6'1), but he measured in at the Senior Bowl a shade under 6'0. This is not very attractive for a DT. The Browns chose him here due to the fact that he does not have to be the every down lineman right away that other teams may want him for, its not like they will be a Super Bowl contender. A rotation consisting of Gerard Small Penny Warren, Orpheus Roye, Alvin McKinley, and Patterson would work for the near future. He could be used exclusively on 3rd downs early on to cause havoc up the middle using his great quickness, allowing Lang, Ekuban, and Courtney Brown (if he's not cut) to get around the ends easier. Hopefully, Patterson can be developed into a disruptive DT that can play all downs (nicknamed "Baby Sapp"). I can see him stunting while the larger DT takes up two lineman (which Warren does alot) allowing Patterson to blaze into the backfield. He will need to add a little weight/strength without losing his quickness that have made him a productive playmaker at USC. Patterson's value is still to be determined, but for the sake of this draft I think this is a quality pick for the Browns.The Browns draft:1.3 Antrel Rolle CB Miami2.2 Elton Brown G Virginia3.3 Mike Patterson DT USC
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Here is the ROUND 3 order.1. San Francisco 49ers - CJ Moseley DT Missouri 2. St. Louis Rams(from Miami) - Craphonso Thorpe WR Florida State3. Cleveland Browns - Mike Patterson - DT - USC4. Miami Dolphins (from Chicago) - 5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -6. Tennessee Titans -7. Oakland Raiders -8. Arizona Cardinals -9. Washington Redskins -10. Detroit Lions -11. Houston Texans (from DAL)-12. NY Giants-13. Houston Texans -14. Carolina Panthers -15. Kansas City Chiefs -16. New Orleans Saints -17. Cincinnati Bengals -18. Minnesota Vikings -19. St. Louis Rams -20. Buffalo Bills -21. Jacksonville Jaguars -22. Baltimore Ravens -23. Seattle Seahawks -24. Green Bay Packers -25. Denver Broncos -26. New York Jets -27. Tampa Bay Bucs (from SD) -28. Indianapolis Colts -29. Atlanta Falcons -30. Pittsburgh Steelers -31. Philadelphia Eagles -32. New England Patriots - Dolfan is OTC.
cstu
Footballguy
1 San Francisco- Aaron Rodgers- QB from Cal33(1). San Francisco 49ers - Brandon Browner - CB -Oregon State65. San Francisco 49ers - CJ Moseley DT Missouri I don't think 49er fans would be too disappointed by this draft. If they can get some OL help on day 2 they could be a much better team very quickly.
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Dolfan
Footballguy
With the 4th pick of the 3rd round, the Miami Dolphins select Jeremy Parquet, OT, Southern Miss.
This could be somewhat of a reach, but Parquet's stock has already started rising at the Senior Bowl practices and I believe it will continue to rise up until draft-day. Parquet will provide solid competition for Damion McIntosh at the LT spot immediately.
From NFL Draft Countdown:
1.02 Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
3.04 Jeremy Parquet, OT, Southern Miss
Will be hoping Maurice Clarrett is there when we pick in the 4th.
This could be somewhat of a reach, but Parquet's stock has already started rising at the Senior Bowl practices and I believe it will continue to rise up until draft-day. Parquet will provide solid competition for Damion McIntosh at the LT spot immediately.
From NFL Draft Countdown:
A little motivation from Saban and Houck should help with Parquet's listed weaknesses (inconsistency, hitting the weight room).Miami Dolphins' 2005 Draft:
1.02 Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
3.04 Jeremy Parquet, OT, Southern Miss
Will be hoping Maurice Clarrett is there when we pick in the 4th.
Dolfan
Footballguy
Here is the ROUND 3 order.1. San Francisco 49ers - CJ Moseley DT Missouri 2. St. Louis Rams(from Miami) - Craphonso Thorpe WR Florida State3. Cleveland Browns - Mike Patterson - DT - USC4. Miami Dolphins (from Chicago) - Jeremy Parquet, OT, Southern Miss5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -6. Tennessee Titans -7. Oakland Raiders -8. Arizona Cardinals -9. Washington Redskins -10. Detroit Lions -11. Houston Texans (from DAL)-12. NY Giants-13. Houston Texans -14. Carolina Panthers -15. Kansas City Chiefs -16. New Orleans Saints -17. Cincinnati Bengals -18. Minnesota Vikings -19. St. Louis Rams -20. Buffalo Bills -21. Jacksonville Jaguars -22. Baltimore Ravens -23. Seattle Seahawks -24. Green Bay Packers -25. Denver Broncos -26. New York Jets -27. Tampa Bay Bucs (from SD) -28. Indianapolis Colts -29. Atlanta Falcons -30. Pittsburgh Steelers -31. Philadelphia Eagles -32. New England Patriots -
#2 Vernand Morency RB ColtsGiven the depth of the RB pool this year and the impending turnover in Indy at the position we felt it was a great opportunity to pick up a underrated player in Morency. While we still need help on the O-Line and more talent on the defensive side we feel that this years draft would provide us with "talent" as oppossed to needs.Justin Miller in the 1st we thought was a steal and with Morency who we had rated as a late first early second rounder we have accomplished our goals thus far.This now gives the Colts the security to let any of the RB's go to free up space for some defensive help and hopefully they can do a sign and trade with Edge if he is unable to come to terms on a long term deal.This writer is speculating that with Rhodes, Mungo and Morency all inked this offseason we can move Edge and a 1st to the Raiders for the Raiders 1st and Charles Woodson. Purely speculation on this writers part.
Bucs take G Marcus Johnson, Ole Miss with pick 3.5Was all set to take Mike Patterson here and the Brownies took care of that. Two rounds in a row....really like the Browns picks.Well, I'm not going to play Mel Kiper Jr. and act like I've studied this guy or plaguirize a magazine as if it's my own thoughts. Never noticed this guy when I have seen the random play or two from the last couple years of an Ole Miss game. Can't speak to his technique, intangibles, or anything else but I like what has been written about him and where he seems to be ranked.While the Bucs could use some additional pieces at DL and LB, the OL has proven to be among the most inconsistent groups on the team and couple use help. I like the idea of a guy this size, who is listed in most rankings as the #2-3 ranked guard and projected to go in the top 2, being available to the Bucs in Rd 3.But still wanted Patterson here.....
FFchamp, why did you pick?Anyways, with their third round pick I think the Titans have to go with the best DL on the board. I believe that many of then young prospects we have at DE will turn out just fine. TRavis Laboy was banged up a lot last year as was Schobel and Odom. However, at DT assuming K. Carter leaves we only have Haynesworth, One very solid young player in Randy Starks, and Rien Long who is developing OK, but may never be a grade A player. At this point in the NFL, you have to have depth in the middle. We need someone Who can who can help out against the run as our RUN-D slipped alot this year. THe Titans select:Luis Castillo- DT- Northwestern
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FF Champ was just providing his writeup for the Colts 2nd round pickAlso, Castillo was already taken by the Falcons in round 2
The Titans select: Andrew Walter- QB- Arizona St.With not much value at DL, I feel like Floyd Reese will start to look to the future and go with a QB. At best case, this next year will be Mcnair's last or he still might retire. I took Walter from ASU here as he is without a doubt a good prospect who has slipped way too far because of an injury. The Titans don't need him to play immmediately anyway. They will groom this prospect with prototypical size and a cannon arm to be ready to take over in 2006 or even 2007. Volek is a pretty good QB and is serviceable in the meantime. I considered Orton here, but am still not convinced than he is not a system QB.sorry for the delay
Nucular George
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1. San Francisco 49ers - CJ Moseley DT Missouri2. St. Louis Rams(from Miami) - Craphonso Thorpe WR Florida State3. Cleveland Browns - Mike Patterson - DT - USC4. Miami Dolphins (from Chicago) - Jeremy Parquet - OT - Southern Miss5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Marcus Johnson - OG - Mississippi6. Tennessee Titans - Andrew Walter - QB - Arizona State7. Oakland Raiders -8. Arizona Cardinals -9. Washington Redskins -10. Detroit Lions -11. Houston Texans (from DAL)-12. NY Giants-13. Houston Texans -14. Carolina Panthers -15. Kansas City Chiefs -16. New Orleans Saints -17. Cincinnati Bengals -18. Minnesota Vikings -19. St. Louis Rams -20. Buffalo Bills -21. Jacksonville Jaguars -22. Baltimore Ravens -23. Seattle Seahawks -24. Green Bay Packers -25. Denver Broncos - FORFEITED FOR SALARY CAP REASONS26. New York Jets -27. Tampa Bay Bucs (from SD) -28. Indianapolis Colts -29. Atlanta Falcons -30. Pittsburgh Steelers -31. Philadelphia Eagles -32. New England Patriots -
Nucular George
Footballguy
In case anyone was curious where I got the Denver forfeiting their 3rd round pick info:
http://www.gbnreport.com/trades.htm
http://www.gbnreport.com/trades.htm
JAA
Footballguy
JJ Arrington ... 3rd dwn back for Jackson. Gordon gone, Harris has no hands. Arrington has speed and is exactly what the Rams would like to have to backup JacksonShould have posted this earlier. What do you think about the Rams?Here is the ROUND 3 order.1. San Francisco 49ers - CJ Moseley DT Missouri 2. St. Louis Rams(from Miami) -3. Cleveland Browns -4. Miami Dolphins (from Chicago) -5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -6. Tennessee Titans -7. Oakland Raiders -8. Arizona Cardinals -9. Washington Redskins -10. Detroit Lions -11. Houston Texans (from DAL)-12. NY Giants-13. Houston Texans -14. Carolina Panthers -15. Kansas City Chiefs -16. New Orleans Saints -17. Cincinnati Bengals -18. Minnesota Vikings -19. St. Louis Rams -20. Buffalo Bills -21. Jacksonville Jaguars -22. Baltimore Ravens -23. Seattle Seahawks -24. Green Bay Packers -25. Denver Broncos -26. New York Jets -27. Tampa Bay Bucs (from SD) -28. Indianapolis Colts -29. Atlanta Falcons -30. Pittsburgh Steelers -31. Philadelphia Eagles -32. New England Patriots -
cstu
Footballguy
JJ Arrington ... 3rd dwn back for Jackson. Gordon gone, Harris has no hands. Arrington has speed and is exactly what the Rams would like to have to backup Jackson ----------------While Arrington is much more than a 3rd down back, it would jive with the report that the Rams are worried about Jackson's health.
cstu
Footballguy
After looking at how the first two rounds turned out, this is how I hope the Chargers draft in April:1st round (12) - Pac-Man Jones/Thomas Davis - the Chargers need secondary help, primarily at FS. Thomas Davis would be a perfect fit, otherwise Pac-Man would allow the Chargers to move Jammer to FS.1st round (28) - Marcus Spears - DE is a need position and I think it's a must that the Chargers get Spears, even if it means giving up later round picks to move up a few spots. Spears is an impact player and is ideally suited for the Chargers 3-4 defense.2nd round (29) - Demarcus Ware - another need position and Ware fits the 3-4. Even though he went earlier in this mock, I think he could last until the end of the 2nd in the real draft.
Kirby
Footballguy
1. San Francisco 49ers - CJ Moseley DT Missouri2. St. Louis Rams(from Miami) - Craphonso Thorpe WR Florida State3. Cleveland Browns - Mike Patterson - DT - USC4. Miami Dolphins (from Chicago) - Jeremy Parquet - OT - Southern Miss5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Marcus Johnson - OG - Mississippi6. Tennessee Titans - Andrew Walter - QB - Arizona State7. Oakland Raiders - Ronald Bartell - CB - Howard8. Arizona Cardinals -9. Washington Redskins -10. Detroit Lions -11. Houston Texans (from DAL)-12. NY Giants-13. Houston Texans -14. Carolina Panthers -15. Kansas City Chiefs -16. New Orleans Saints -17. Cincinnati Bengals -18. Minnesota Vikings -19. St. Louis Rams -20. Buffalo Bills -21. Jacksonville Jaguars -22. Baltimore Ravens -23. Seattle Seahawks -24. Green Bay Packers -25. Denver Broncos - FORFEITED FOR SALARY CAP REASONS26. New York Jets -27. Tampa Bay Bucs (from SD) -28. Indianapolis Colts -29. Atlanta Falcons -30. Pittsburgh Steelers -31. Philadelphia Eagles -32. New England Patriots -
Brave Sir Robin
Footballguy
Hey guys.
I thought this was going to be later when I signed up and am completely swamped with coaching and work while this is going on. Please give the Rams to someone with the time to devote to this. I ran this thing two years ago and hated the tardy drafters. This year, at this time, I just can't "get 'er done."
Thanks Beto for keeping me informed.
I liked the tackle pick and the LB pick where needs are concerned. I don't know if they were the best for the spot as I haven't done a lot of research yet. For me, they are just names and times right now.
It wouldn't be outrageous to take another OL or LB. Despite their youth at DB positions, they tend to get banged up a lot back there. It wouldn't be crazy to go to the secondary again. Rams are deep and young at the WR spot. We have Bruce and Holt's back ups as well as a deep bench. The Rams have an embarrassment of riches there. No one remaining in the draft can add to that.
What would be crazy is drafting a QB to play DB. But who'd do a thing like that?
I thought this was going to be later when I signed up and am completely swamped with coaching and work while this is going on. Please give the Rams to someone with the time to devote to this. I ran this thing two years ago and hated the tardy drafters. This year, at this time, I just can't "get 'er done."
Thanks Beto for keeping me informed.
I liked the tackle pick and the LB pick where needs are concerned. I don't know if they were the best for the spot as I haven't done a lot of research yet. For me, they are just names and times right now.
It wouldn't be outrageous to take another OL or LB. Despite their youth at DB positions, they tend to get banged up a lot back there. It wouldn't be crazy to go to the secondary again. Rams are deep and young at the WR spot. We have Bruce and Holt's back ups as well as a deep bench. The Rams have an embarrassment of riches there. No one remaining in the draft can add to that.
What would be crazy is drafting a QB to play DB. But who'd do a thing like that?
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krsone21
Footballguy
You are right, J R, the teams with the same record do rotate each round and I beleive this should be the pick order in Round 3: I saw this draft order on another site. The very end of the draft may very since the playoffs.Round Three:65. San Francisco 49ers 66. St. Louis Rams(Miami) 67. Cleveland Browns 68. Tennessee Titans69. Oakland Raiders 70. Miami Dolphins(Chicago) 71. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 72. Detroit Lions 73. Houston Texans(Dallas) 74. Washington Redskins75. New York Giants 76. Arizona Cardinals 77. Philadelphia Eagles(KC) 78. Houston Texans 79. Carolina Panthers 80. Minnesota Vikings81. St. Louis Rams82. New Orleans Saints83. Cincinnati Bengals84. Baltimore Ravens 85. Jacksonville Jaguars86. Seattle Seahawks87. Buffalo Bills 88. New York Jets89. Green Bay Packers 90. Denver Broncos - forfeited pick91. Atlanta Falcons92. Tampa Bay Buccaneers(SD)93. Indianapolis Colts94. Philadelphia Eagles 95. New England Patriots96. Pittsburgh Steelers
Aaron, has been helping me keep up with the first page of the thread lately as i have been busy and unable to always keep it updated. He set up the 3rd round order and I'm not sure where he got it. I had a genric 3rd round listing on the first thead that I had not adjusted yet so maybe he just didn't know that I hadn't fully fine tuned it yet and posted it I know for the second round we switched between the the teams with the same records. In the 3rd round doesnt it just revert back to the 1st round order?ARe yall pretty sure on this new order because if so I will switch form here forward.
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There was a 3rd round order of picks in the 1st post, so I just moved that up to the top. I didn't know it wasn't accurate.I updated the 1st thread with the new order. Not sure how you want to handle the teams that got skipped.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
Smith and LT are the whole inch taller at 5'10" .. I don't want to hijack this thread with this one but I did a thing a couple of years back on another site where the idea of protypical was not the norm. Not done since then, but more teams had backs 5'11 or shorter and/or less the 220 pounds. The Jamal lewis/Fred taylor, etc were exception to the rule and proved to fumble no less nor were more durable.
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according to the order posted above, here is the current status of round 3:ROUND 31 (65). San Francisco 49ers - CJ Moseley - DT - Missouri2 (66) St. Louis Rams (from Miami) - Craphonso Thorpe - WR - Florida St3 (67) Cleveland Browns - Mike Patterson - DT - USC4 (68) Tennessee Titans - Andew Walter - QB - Arizona St5 (69) Oakland Raiders - Ronald Bartell - CB - Howard6 (70) Miami Dolphins (from Chicago) - Jeremy Parquet - OT - Southern Miss7 (71) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Marcus Johnson - OG - Ole Miss8 (72) Detroit Lions 9 (73) Houston Texans(Dallas) 10 (74) Washington Redskins11 (75) New York Giants 12 (76) Arizona Cardinals 13 (77) Philadelphia Eagles(KC) 14 (78) Houston Texans 15 (79) Carolina Panthers 16 (80) Minnesota Vikings17 (81) St. Louis Rams18 (82) New Orleans Saints19 (83) Cincinnati Bengals20 (84) Baltimore Ravens 21 (85) Jacksonville Jaguars22 (86) Seattle Seahawks23 (87) Buffalo Bills 24 (88) New York Jets25 (89) Green Bay Packers 26 (90) Denver Broncos - forfeited pick27 (91) Atlanta Falcons28 (92) Tampa Bay Buccaneers(SD)29 (93) Indianapolis Colts30 (94) Philadelphia Eagles 31 (95) New England Patriots32 (96) Pittsburgh SteelersSorry things got messed up. Unless someone has a big problem with it, let's just go with this and let the Titans and Raiders make their picks before moving onto the rest of the draft.
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oops. never mind, then. looks like we're back on track.
Bob Henry
Footballguy
The Lions select QB Jason Campbell.
Close call, but I think the Lions will take a QB on the first day and they're not sold on Joey as the franchise QB to lead them into the future. Campbell's size, athleticism and overall potential translate to him being a great value with more upside and potential impact than most players left on the board.
I took a close look at several other players including OT Logan Mankins, S James Butler, LB Robert McCune, C/G Chris Spencer and QB Kyle Orton.
I think the Lions can pass on a S, OG/C or LB at this point and still get a good player with similar talent in the 4th or 5th round. I didn't feel that comfortable with the fall off behind Orton and Campbell. Campbell or Orton both represent good value in the 3rd round and Campbell's upside is just too hard to ignore.
With the way the draft would shape up in this mock, the Lions would likely be looking to shore up their OL next and probably looking to grab a S, CB and LB/DE/DT. In other words, defense. They could also add a starting safety via free agency. They've tried that a few times in recent years with little success.
Campbell more than replaces Mike McMahon and he is a potential long-term solution as a backup/starter giving the Lions a potentially effective exit strategy if Harrington flounders in 2004.
Close call, but I think the Lions will take a QB on the first day and they're not sold on Joey as the franchise QB to lead them into the future. Campbell's size, athleticism and overall potential translate to him being a great value with more upside and potential impact than most players left on the board.
I took a close look at several other players including OT Logan Mankins, S James Butler, LB Robert McCune, C/G Chris Spencer and QB Kyle Orton.
I think the Lions can pass on a S, OG/C or LB at this point and still get a good player with similar talent in the 4th or 5th round. I didn't feel that comfortable with the fall off behind Orton and Campbell. Campbell or Orton both represent good value in the 3rd round and Campbell's upside is just too hard to ignore.
With the way the draft would shape up in this mock, the Lions would likely be looking to shore up their OL next and probably looking to grab a S, CB and LB/DE/DT. In other words, defense. They could also add a starting safety via free agency. They've tried that a few times in recent years with little success.
Campbell more than replaces Mike McMahon and he is a potential long-term solution as a backup/starter giving the Lions a potentially effective exit strategy if Harrington flounders in 2004.
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ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I can't argue the pick as this is a good value for the Lions and does give them a QB option if Harrington doesn't work out. I truly do covet Campbell in the third round and hope he is there for the Lions to draft come April. Good pick.Here is a situation where the Lions trading down a few spots and picking up the extra 3rd round pick makes sense. They could get a DE, S, TE and a QB like Campbell in the third round while improving their team if they get the extra third along the way.
Any thoughts to the Lions drafting Spears round one though? I have heard reports that he can play either DE or DT, but which is he best suited for? Any input on this would be great.
coolnerd
Footballguy
With Pick number 73 the Houston Texans select Marion Barber III RB MinnesotaThis pick is a best available player pick which adds to the depth at RB for the Texans. Barber is a strong hard runner with decent size and average speed. he split time at Minnesota and will be expected to overtake Johnathon Wells and Tony Hollings neither of whom have done anything special as reserves to DomDAvis. Barber has some history returning kicks which would be of help if he could unseat the popular but averge-at-best JJ Moses. With to picks close together i would think that one of these picks would be candidates for a trade down in the real draft.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
Couple of ideas...Casserly is a big BPA guy..(he drafted a QB in third round one year after drafting David Carr)2nd, Capers has had a couple of accounts where he has said that you need 2 RBs. the comments seemed to imply that the Texans do not have the 2nd guys here. Remember DomDavis has not proven the ability to stay healthy and the Texans feed that position pretty heavily. This pick, IMO, is very realisitc especially if one the better guys fall.
Giants select James Butler, S, Georgia Tech
Gibril Wilson was a find from last year's draft, but Shaun Williams is a lage cap hit and could be cut, Brent Alexander is a stop-gap, Terry Cousin is not a safety. The Giants need to develop another safety, and the chance to draft a talent like Butler is too good to pass up in round 3. Butler is big (6' 3" 210), has solid speed for his size (4.55), has reputation for being an intelligent hard worker, and has been excellent in both run stopping and pass coverage. His only drawback is that he's a bit raw in technique, but a coachable player like Butler should rally break out after a few years of coaching to fill in the gaps in his understanding of his position.
I would expect Butler and Wilson to end up being the Giants safety tandem for a long time to come if he fell to them, but he won't. Butler won't make it out of the 2nd round.
Gibril Wilson was a find from last year's draft, but Shaun Williams is a lage cap hit and could be cut, Brent Alexander is a stop-gap, Terry Cousin is not a safety. The Giants need to develop another safety, and the chance to draft a talent like Butler is too good to pass up in round 3. Butler is big (6' 3" 210), has solid speed for his size (4.55), has reputation for being an intelligent hard worker, and has been excellent in both run stopping and pass coverage. His only drawback is that he's a bit raw in technique, but a coachable player like Butler should rally break out after a few years of coaching to fill in the gaps in his understanding of his position.
I would expect Butler and Wilson to end up being the Giants safety tandem for a long time to come if he fell to them, but he won't. Butler won't make it out of the 2nd round.
except that saying you're taking BPA implies that you really are taking BPA, and i think the resistance here is that Barber isn't clearly BPA. it may be that you just really like barber. otherwise i think this would be a poor pick. their OL isn't any good and now they've added a 1st day pick RB for a 2nd consecutive year to back up dom davis and still haven't added any OL. i don't like that strategy - though i really like the players you picked in the 1st 2 rounds. yesterday kiper was talking about pacman possibly going #3 overall.i don't think i understand how the draft order is decided. if arizona picks last out of their group in the 2nd, wouldn't they be bumped up in the 3rd? maybe this is a digression from mock talk but i'm sure we have time....but how does it work really? i thought that you had tiers of teams with the same records, broke the tie to determine order, and then each round the team picking 1st out of the tier moved to the bottom.
