2006 Cleveland Browns Thread (1 Viewer)

[BGP]

There's far too much Browns talk around here. We need a thread!

Here we go Brownies here we go!

And just some ground rules...

I don't post in Steeler threads. Even the main one with the byline "offseason/preseason/season/postseason" - I don't have one post. I'm not here to tinkle in their threads - so don't do it in mine, thanks. This thread is about Browns football. Let's keep it civil and everything will be fine.

That said, cheering the Browns on is perfectly acceptable here!

 

[s_ezy]

I heard on 850 this morning that the Browns traded a conditional 07 draft pick to the Bears for some Center

 

[BGP]

Training camp has featured six battles:

1. Strong Safety - Sean Jones (Butch Davis 2nd round pick) vs Brodney Pool (Phil Savage 2nd round pick) - currently the inside track belongs to Jones.

2. Backup RB - Lee Suggs (Butch Davis pick) vs William Green (Butch Davis pick) vs Jerome Harrison (Phil Savage pick) - I think the backup RB position may be in flux for the entire season.

3. Starting CB - Derrick Strait vs Pete Hunter vs James Thornton, etc - Both McCutcheon (recovering from arthroscopic knee surgery) and Baxter (slight tear in his right pectoral muscle) are out. Either one would be the starter, and it is believed they could even be ready by the season opener. Baxter would get the gig if everyone was healthy.

4. Center - Alonzo Ephraim vs Ross Tucker vs Lennie Friedman, etc., etc. - Looks like Ross Tucker will start. Ephraim has been suspended for the first four games by the NFL. The Browns traded for Lennie Friedman in the last couple days but I think he just helps add depth at this point.

5. ILB - Chaun Thompson vs D'Qwell Jackson - Thompson is a raw talent but the question is will he be able to ever harness that and become a player. Jackson is the 2006 second round pick, and he has done surpassed expectations to this point. Jackson will probably become the starter at some point.

6. Backup QB - Ken Dorsey vs Derek Anderson - Neither guy has really stood out and perhaps the club should try to find a veteran to fill this role.

 

[amnesiac]

wouldn't be suprised to see Ephraim get cut.

and what's up with all the s?

 

[Browns Rule!]

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

 

[amnesiac]

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

i'm not judging, but isn't 10 o'clock awfully early to start drinking?

 

[schaef2k]

wouldn't be suprised to see Ephraim get cut.and what's up with all the s?

:cough:dogs:cough:

 

[massraider]

What about the LB'ers. Chaun or D'Qwell?

 

[amnesiac]

What about the LB'ers. Chaun or D'Qwell?

i think it's going to be D'Qwell. maybe not the first game, cause Romeo doesn't like starting rookies right away, but i think he'll be starting very soon.

 

[djjosee]

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

i'm not judging, but isn't 10 o'clock awfully early to start drinking?

Not if you live in Cleveland ...

 

[BGP]

What about the LB'ers. Chaun or D'Qwell?

LOL I just remembered I forgot to include that battle. I add it later. Busy right now.

 

[amnesiac]

wouldn't be suprised to see Ephraim get cut.and what's up with all the s?

:cough:dogs:cough:

kind of a stretch, but ok.

 

[schaef2k]

What about the LB'ers. Chaun or D'Qwell?

I think Thompson may start inside but D'Qwell will take over soon. Browns have some nice depth at LB this year. McMillan and L. Williams have been suprises this TC.

 

[mr blond]

What about the LB'ers. Chaun or D'Qwell?

I think Thompson may start inside but D'Qwell will take over soon. Browns have some nice depth at LB this year. McMillan and L. Williams have been suprises this TC.

Will Chaun be playing in the next preseason game? I think typically Romeo wouldn't start the rook, but this is a new position for Chaun and he has missed a lot of time.

 

[massraider]

Keeping the thread going:

Braylon? Scheduled return? How's he look?

 

[gocats]

How is Edwards and Winslow progressing? I think they're both posed for break out season's.

 

[schaef2k]

Keeping the thread going:Braylon? Scheduled return? How's he look?

He may play Saturday against the Bills. They're not really saying he'll be back by such and such a date but he is practicing with the whole team so he's getting banged around a bit and he says the knee feels great.He doesn't look like he's favoring the other leg and no limp at all (no brace either). Looks like he's running clean routes but it's tough to tell if he has his burst back.

 

[Browns Rule!]

I'm a huge Chaun Thompson fan. I think he is great, and think he should start. He is the fastest LB I've ever seen and I don't understand why they put him inside this year.

 

[BGP]

Back. Added two more camp battles to the list earlier in the thread.

 

[amnesiac]

i'm still waiting for the Testaverde signing.

could be any day now that camp is over.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

How about some predictions from you Brownies fans? Season record? Playoffs? Stats from the big three (Droughns, Edwards, Winslow)? I want to know what the people that bleed brown and orange think.

 

[BGP]

How is Edwards and Winslow progressing? I think they're both posed for break out season's.

A lot of it depends on how Frye progresses. Plus, they got Shaffer from the Falcons this offseason to be their left tackle, and he is known more for his run blocking than his pass protection. That's a nice upgrade from LJ "turnstile" Shelton, who now is the starting LT of the Dolphins, but I'm not expecting anything major from the passing game this year.

 

[BGP]

How about some predictions from you Brownies fans? Season record? Playoffs? Stats from the big three (Droughns, Edwards, Winslow)? I want to know what the people that bleed brown and orange think.

Well, let's look at the schedule...Saints@BengalsRavens@RaidersI'm expecting a 2-4 record in the division. The Browns should be good enough now to cause problems for anyone in the AFC North. The tricky part is figuring out which 2 games they are gonna win. The Browns should upset one or two very good teams along the way (even last year's club beat the 9-7 Dolphins and 11-5 Bears), but they'll probably drop a game or two to some clubs they ought to beat, so it'll even out.The Saints and Raiders are two very winnable games. Let's say we split these two divisonal games. 3-1 after 4 games.PanthersBYEBroncosJets@ChargersThe Browns should lose to the Panthers, Broncos and Chargers. But they should beat the Jets. 1-3 here, 4-4 overall.@FalconsSteelersBengalsChiefsShould lose to the Falcons and should beat the Chiefs. We've got two home games in the AFC North as well, so let's split those. 2-2 thru this stretch, 6-6 overall.@Steelers@RavensBuccaneers@TexansThis looks bad. I already handed out my two AFC North wins. We should lose to the Buccaneers. But we should beat the Texans. 1-3 thru this stretch, 7-9 overall.To get 8 wins, we might need to win @Ravens, or open 4-0, or maybe beat the Broncos.

 

[Moniker]

How is Edwards and Winslow progressing? I think they're both posed for break out season's.

A lot of it depends on how Frye progresses. Plus, they got Shaffer from the Falcons this offseason to be their left tackle, and he is known more for his run blocking than his pass protection. That's a nice upgrade from LJ "turnstile" Shelton, who now is the starting LT of the Dolphins, but I'm not expecting anything major from the passing game this year.

Same here. Watching Frye closely so far this TC/Pre-season and it looks like he's progressed very little. I'm more than a little worried about our passing game this year (although I'd be even more worried if Frye went down, we need to get a veteren in here to back him up very soon). On the plus side, though, Frye and Winslow look extremely comfortable together and are friends off-field. If I was going to take a shot at either Edwards or Winslow, I'd choose Winslow this year.

 

[schaef2k]

How about some predictions from you Brownies fans? Season record? Playoffs? Stats from the big three (Droughns, Edwards, Winslow)? I want to know what the people that bleed brown and orange think.

I'm gona say 7-9 maybe 8-8.Droughns 1200 yds 300 rec and 5-6 TdsEdwards I think is gona start slow and end strong 900-1000 yds and 6 tdsWinslow should be solid 700yds and 6-7 TDsIt's all gona be up to Frye, if he can keep the mistakes down i think he can be effective.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

I am a Browns fan, and I see them winning 6 games. God forbid Frye goes down because it could get ugly.

I think if they have another solid off season next year, then they could make a leap to the playoffs in 2007. They really need to adress both sides of their line.

 

[ImTheScientist]

How is Edwards and Winslow progressing? I think they're both posed for break out season's.

That would be nice!

 

[mr blond]

How about some predictions from you Brownies fans? Season record? Playoffs? Stats from the big three (Droughns, Edwards, Winslow)? I want to know what the people that bleed brown and orange think.

Well, let's look at the schedule...Saints@BengalsRavens@RaidersI'm expecting a 2-4 record in the division. The Browns should be good enough now to cause problems for anyone in the AFC North. The tricky part is figuring out which 2 games they are gonna win. The Browns should upset one or two very good teams along the way (even last year's club beat the 9-7 Dolphins and 11-5 Bears), but they'll probably drop a game or two to some clubs they ought to beat, so it'll even out.The Saints and Raiders are two very winnable games. Let's say we split these two divisonal games. 3-1 after 4 games.PanthersBYEBroncosJets@ChargersThe Browns should lose to the Panthers, Broncos and Chargers. But they should beat the Jets. 1-3 here, 4-4 overall.@FalconsSteelersBengalsChiefsShould lose to the Falcons and should beat the Chiefs. We've got two home games in the AFC North as well, so let's split those. 2-2 thru this stretch, 6-6 overall.@Steelers@RavensBuccaneers@TexansThis looks bad. I already handed out my two AFC North wins. We should lose to the Buccaneers. But we should beat the Texans. 1-3 thru this stretch, 7-9 overall.To get 8 wins, we might need to win @Ravens, or open 4-0, or maybe beat the Broncos.

I think these are fair predictions. Give or take a game either way, improved play in the division and more consistent play in general will make for a successful season in my eyes.

 

[Godsbrother]

How about some predictions from you Brownies fans? Season record? Playoffs? Stats from the big three (Droughns, Edwards, Winslow)? I want to know what the people that bleed brown and orange think.

Well, let's look at the schedule...Saints@BengalsRavens@RaidersI'm expecting a 2-4 record in the division. The Browns should be good enough now to cause problems for anyone in the AFC North. The tricky part is figuring out which 2 games they are gonna win. The Browns should upset one or two very good teams along the way (even last year's club beat the 9-7 Dolphins and 11-5 Bears), but they'll probably drop a game or two to some clubs they ought to beat, so it'll even out.The Saints and Raiders are two very winnable games. Let's say we split these two divisonal games. 3-1 after 4 games.PanthersBYEBroncosJets@ChargersThe Browns should lose to the Panthers, Broncos and Chargers. But they should beat the Jets. 1-3 here, 4-4 overall.@FalconsSteelersBengalsChiefsShould lose to the Falcons and should beat the Chiefs. We've got two home games in the AFC North as well, so let's split those. 2-2 thru this stretch, 6-6 overall.@Steelers@RavensBuccaneers@TexansThis looks bad. I already handed out my two AFC North wins. We should lose to the Buccaneers. But we should beat the Texans. 1-3 thru this stretch, 7-9 overall.To get 8 wins, we might need to win @Ravens, or open 4-0, or maybe beat the Broncos.

I think these are fair predictions. Give or take a game either way, improved play in the division and more consistent play in general will make for a successful season in my eyes.

I do too. Quite well thought out.

 

[BGP]

7-9 overall.To get 8 wins, we might need to win @Ravens, or open 4-0, or maybe beat the Broncos.

I think these are fair predictions. Give or take a game either way, improved play in the division and more consistent play in general will make for a successful season in my eyes.

I do too. Quite well thought out.

The key to me will be consistency. Like I said, they should be able to upset one two very good clubs along the way. But consistency means beating the teams they are supposed to beat. So if they actually don't stumble against some of the bad clubs, they should surpass 8-8. If the Browns are focused and well-coached that can happen.

 

[amnesiac]

How about some predictions from you Brownies fans? Season record? Playoffs? Stats from the big three (Droughns, Edwards, Winslow)? I want to know what the people that bleed brown and orange think.

Well, let's look at the schedule...Saints@BengalsRavens@RaidersI'm expecting a 2-4 record in the division. The Browns should be good enough now to cause problems for anyone in the AFC North. The tricky part is figuring out which 2 games they are gonna win. The Browns should upset one or two very good teams along the way (even last year's club beat the 9-7 Dolphins and 11-5 Bears), but they'll probably drop a game or two to some clubs they ought to beat, so it'll even out.The Saints and Raiders are two very winnable games. Let's say we split these two divisonal games. 3-1 after 4 games.PanthersBYEBroncosJets@ChargersThe Browns should lose to the Panthers, Broncos and Chargers. But they should beat the Jets. 1-3 here, 4-4 overall.@FalconsSteelersBengalsChiefsShould lose to the Falcons and should beat the Chiefs. We've got two home games in the AFC North as well, so let's split those. 2-2 thru this stretch, 6-6 overall.@Steelers@RavensBuccaneers@TexansThis looks bad. I already handed out my two AFC North wins. We should lose to the Buccaneers. But we should beat the Texans. 1-3 thru this stretch, 7-9 overall.To get 8 wins, we might need to win @Ravens, or open 4-0, or maybe beat the Broncos.

i've been guessing 7-9 all along, but i didn't actually look at the schedule.nice analysis.

 

[BGP]

What should us Browns fans expect in year 2 of the Savage/Crennel regime? Should we expect a super bowl? No. Playoffs? No. A winning record? No.

For us Browns fans, if Romeo Crennel is truly the one that leads the Browns to their first Super Bowl win, I think the expectation should be that we beat bad football clubs. The Saints, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, and Texans. These are bad football clubs. We should beat them. Crennel should be able to coach up his players in year 2 to a level where we do not lose those games.

 

[Angry Beavers]

6 wins - no way they beat the chiefs

 

[Godsbrother]

6 wins - no way they beat the chiefs

If the game was at KC then I would agree with you. I don't think it is outrageous to suggest the Browns could beat the Chiefs in Cleveland.

 

[BGP]

How about some predictions from you Brownies fans? Season record? Playoffs? Stats from the big three (Droughns, Edwards, Winslow)? I want to know what the people that bleed brown and orange think.

I'm gona say 7-9 maybe 8-8.Droughns 1200 yds 300 rec and 5-6 TdsEdwards I think is gona start slow and end strong 900-1000 yds and 6 tdsWinslow should be solid 700yds and 6-7 TDsIt's all gona be up to Frye, if he can keep the mistakes down i think he can be effective.

Frye has the quality of being able to make something out of nothing. For example, the TD pass last week was a play that got screwed up, but he managed to make something happen. I don't think his mentality is one where he will look to throw it away - he's going to tend to try to make a play. So I think its interceptions will be a bit on the high side and he will have to work to bring that down.

 

[chris1969]

I agree with the 7-9 record and even could see a winning record if we don't have any major injuries.

The Edwards , Droughns and KWII projections look pretty good too!

Droughns worries me the most out of the 3. Harrison will vulture carries and there is still some talk of Vickers being used in some short yardage and goaline situations. So far I'm not too worried about Vickers, but if you see more of him in the next 2 preseason games then bump Droughns down another notch.

 

[BGP]

Today's Latest:

+ WKNR is reporting that one of Lee Suggs or William Green is likely to either be traded or cut. Rookie RB Jerome Harrison would be taking one of their spots on the roster. Harrison is still considered by the Browns the 3rd down back and not the backup to Reuben Droughns. Either Suggs or Green will be the backup.

+ LB Chaun Thompson impressed the coaching staff with his play vs Buffalo. He is not looking like a cut.

 

[replacements]

Today's Latest:+ WKNR is reporting that one of Lee Suggs or William Green is likely to either be traded or cut. Rookie RB Jerome Harrison would be taking one of their spots on the roster. Harrison is still considered by the Browns the 3rd down back and not the backup to Reuben Droughns. Either Suggs or Green will be the backup. + LB Chaun Thompson impressed the coaching staff with his play vs Buffalo. He is not looking like a cut.

Any rumors as to who cleveland could trade suggs or green to.I can't see anyone trading for either of these guys at this point.Suggs has such a bad injury history and green hasn't done anything since the second half of his rookie season.I can't believe they would even consider cutting thompson.He is capable of playing inside and outside.Plus his athleticism is unreal.If he can't make it as a starter he should be a phenominal backup and special teamer.

 

[replacements]

Does anyone else see the browns Def as a sleeper this year. I don't know statistically how they have faired through the preaseason,but I have seen every game and they look pretty good.The front seven has been pretty stout against the run.The secondary has been suspect,but when baxter and mccutcheon get back the secondary should be pretty tough.Baxter,Russell,Jones and Bodden with mcutcheon coming in as the nickle back should be our best secondary since their return.

This def. definitley has some potential.

 

[DoubleG]

How is Edwards and Winslow progressing? I think they're both posed for break out season's.

Posed? Are they on the cover of Madden or S.I. - that's bad luck ya know.Or maybe he meant "poised"

 

[Godsbrother]

I am curious to know which RB that Browns fans would rather keep, Suggs or Green?

 

[Spiderman]

Do you guys see both Winslow and Edwards getting starter snaps on opening day ?

 

[Bobcat10]

Do you guys see both Winslow and Edwards getting starter snaps on opening day ?

Starter snaps? You mean play like a starter for the whole game?Definitely Winslow. He's fine.Based on how much Edwards played last week, I would say he'll see around 15-20 plays week 1 depending on how the game is going.

 

[Bobcat10]

I am curious to know which RB that Browns fans would rather keep, Suggs or Green?

Flip a coin really.You see flashes from both, running hard, hitting the holes quick, breaking tackles. Then you see slow motion hitting holes, especially from Green imo, fumbles and all those things. I think Green is more valuable on special teams, so if Rueben stays healthy, then you might as well keep Green. Suggs injury concerns are also a negative for him, although he seems healthy right now (the Jets had to of backed out due to some late phone calls from other teams).

 

[Bobcat10]

After cornerback Gary Baxter returned to practice Monday, he made a prediction.

"I think - well, I know - I will be ready for the first game," he said.

"The defense is looking excellent," Baxter said. "I can't wait to get back there and be a part of it."

link

This is a good sign. The only real part of the defense that has looked weak so far is CB2, and that's because Ralph Brown and Petey Hunter are not even worthy of a CB3/4 spot.

On a side note, Leigh Bodden is a darn good football player. Great find by the old regime. He should start to get some more league wide recognition this year.

 

[BGP]

I am curious to know which RB that Browns fans would rather keep, Suggs or Green?

As I understand it, whichever one stays would be filling the role of Droughns' backup. I think William Green would be a little better at running between the tackles. Suggs role as the outside runner is kinda getting taken by Harrison. Plus, Suggs can't stay healthy. So you keep Green.

 

[gildawg]

Green - Can't find the holesbut that can be coached

Suggs - Injuries keep him off the field and that can't be coached

I'd rather have Green but think whoever they keep will be in their last year with the team, I don't see either RB playing in a Browns uni in 07.

Winslow and Edwards will both be playing first game of the year and I look for both to have solid seasons at worst. Edwards tore off his knee brace during the Bills game and played wihtout it, then had no problems, he'll be fine.

I don't take anything 850 says seriously. Why would Thompson be close to being cut? He was the starting ILB until he got hurt, he's back, played well and now might not get cut? I know D'Qwell has played well, but I don't think he has looked good enough to cut Thompson. Plus wouldn't you need depth at LB in the 3-4?

As far as Browns D being a sleeper fantasy wise, I think they could. They were the #1 redzone defense last year and were in the top half of the league in total defense even though their run D sucked. Non Browns fans name a big name fromt he D last year.....you can't. They were coache dup that much, now you bring in the draft picks and McGinest and Washington, Baxter's healthy, they have one more year in the 3-4, and I think they could easily be top 10 in the league this year.

 

[schaef2k]

I am curious to know which RB that Browns fans would rather keep, Suggs or Green?

As I understand it, whichever one stays would be filling the role of Droughns' backup. I think William Green would be a little better at running between the tackles. Suggs role as the outside runner is kinda getting taken by Harrison. Plus, Suggs can't stay healthy. So you keep Green.

Totally agree with this. Suggs has better vision and when healthy is a better back (fumbles a bit though) With Harrison making such a strong showing, Suggs is the one that is the odd man out.If Droughns goes down you'll need another pounder back there who can take 25 carries a game.

 

[Browns Rule!]

I am curious to know which RB that Browns fans would rather keep, Suggs or Green?

Suggs by a mile.Green is gosh-awfulSuggs has shown flashes of talent, is quicker than Green, and hits the hole harder. I'm usually happy if Green gets 2 yards on any play, where Suggs can break off a long one. Suggs at least has potential, even if he is injury prone.

 

[Spiderman]

Do you guys see both Winslow and Edwards getting starter snaps on opening day ?

Starter snaps? You mean play like a starter for the whole game?Definitely Winslow. He's fine.Based on how much Edwards played last week, I would say he'll see around 15-20 plays week 1 depending on how the game is going.

Yeah, I mean, are they going to play as many snaps as they would had there been no injuries ?