I don't think he'll be there. Conley will go #3 to Atlanta.
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2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)
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The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Why would a bad team have fewer positive ratings?PS -- they really need to get that Richardson guy on the floor.Why do people make silly statements like this? Not sure if you've heard of Roland Rating, but what it does is measure how much better/worse a team is with a certain player on the floor versus with him off the floor. The Trailblazers, being a bad team, only had 4 players with a positive ratingickau: +0.5
Roy +0.8
Aldridge: +1.8
Randolph: +8.0
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM
the Bulls wouldn't even give up Luol Deng for Gasol. No way him or even Garnett (age, contract) is worth Oden.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
If they can find a taker they should send him out for another shooter. He and Oden are both low post scorers and don't srike me as a good combination. Aldridge and Oden are much more complimentary on offense and potentially a dominant defensive frontcourt. The question is would anybody take Randolph's contract? I'd be dialing Isiah Thomas right now if I were them.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
You just took Aldrige with the #2 overall pick. As a rookie he was 2nd on your team in roland rating. His PER was 17.1. He is 6ft 10in and 240lbs and the center position these days features a lot more smaller, quicker guys.Nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to backup both the PF and C positions initially. I'm sure Portland can deal with having Aldridge, Randolph and Oden in the front court. Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes meGuy barely played his rookie year.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to backup both the PF and C positions initially. I'm sure Portland can deal with having Aldridge, Randolph and Oden in the front court. Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes meGuy barely played his rookie year.
Especially with Gasol's great attitude in Memphis this year. Getting outplayed by Hakim Warrick in practice is a sure sign of a franchise player 
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
AnotherAgreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
you can't bank on all these guys being superstars and meeting their draft spot expectations. What a great opportunity for the Blazers.
what did Boston give up for Telfair again?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Oh ok, I thought you were bashing him as a player overall.I think he's a much better 4 than a 5. Seems a little soft to play Center to me.Oden is a lock at #1, IMO. I don't think Aldridge is a legit NBA center.With Aldridge and Randolph, is Oden really a lock there? PG Jack/RodrigeuzPortland going to get better quickly with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden.
SG Roy
SF Udoka
PF Randolph
C Aldridge
Where exactly do you see the weakness there?
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ianfitzy
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Chalk that up to another brilliant move by Danny Ainge. He really has screwed up the Celtics bad.
Balco
Footballguy
Not quite sure how my statement is silly. Randolph is one of the worst defenders in the NBA, if not the worst. He is a turnstile, just a pathetically lazy defender. Defense wins championships. I am sure teams would jump at the opportunity to trade for the one dimensional player that Randolph is . . . wait a second.Why do people make silly statements like this? Not sure if you've heard of Roland Rating, but what it does is measure how much better/worse a team is with a certain player on the floor versus with him off the floor. The Trailblazers, being a bad team, only had 4 players with a positive rating
Roy +0.8
Aldridge: +1.8
Randolph: +8.0
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Randolph can hit that perimeter jump shot....Oden can post up down low, and Aldridge can do so as well, and plus clean up on the boards as all the attention is paid to Randolph and Oden. That is going to be a tough team to rebound against.....plus they have Brandon Roye slashing ability.
I'd love to be the point guard on this team.
I'd love to be the point guard on this team.
Capella
Footballguy
Brandon Roy
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Ultimately with the #1 overall pick you don't draft for need. So if they truly think Oden is a better prospect then I'd agree with you guys that they take Oden.But anyone arguing that the Trailblazers have a bigger need at center is completely insane! Their best two players according to RR last year were big men and they just spent a #2 overall pick on a big man. Meanwhile their small forward is Ime Udoka. Quick, without looking it up, can anyone tell me anything about Ime Udoka?Agreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
Sammy3469
Footballguy
You just took Aldrige with the #2 overall pick. As a rookie he was 2nd on your team in roland rating. His PER was 17.1. He is 6ft 10in and 240lbs and the center position these days features a lot more smaller, quicker guys.Nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to backup both the PF and C positions initially. I'm sure Portland can deal with having Aldridge, Randolph and Oden in the front court. Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
Oden is potentially the best center since Russell and your talking about Roland ratings and PERs. If the T-Blazerer management take Durant they should be shot on the spot and the team sold.
"Ouch."Brandon Roy
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
please stop acting as if I was suggesting making an outright swap of Oden for Gasol and I wasn't just throwing a random thought out there. Seriously.Nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to backup both the PF and C positions initially. I'm sure Portland can deal with having Aldridge, Randolph and Oden in the front court. Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
PIK95
Footballguy
bosoxs45
Footballguy
however..Aigne also got Rajon Rondo in return,which isn't pretty bad at all.Though,I'd take Roy over Rondo.Brandon Roy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Well ALL-NBA centers are much rarer than small forwards...if they really have the need there they can easily trade Randolph or Aldridge.Ultimately with the #1 overall pick you don't draft for need. So if they truly think Oden is a better prospect then I'd agree with you guys that they take Oden.But anyone arguing that the Trailblazers have a bigger need at center is completely insane! Their best two players according to RR last year were big men and they just spent a #2 overall pick on a big man. Meanwhile their small forward is Ime Udoka. Quick, without looking it up, can anyone tell me anything about Ime Udoka?Agreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
my mistake, got it confused with PER. You're right...being a bad or good team has nothing to do with the number of positive ratings.Why would a bad team have fewer positive ratings?PS -- they really need to get that Richardson guy on the floor.Why do people make silly statements like this? Not sure if you've heard of Roland Rating, but what it does is measure how much better/worse a team is with a certain player on the floor versus with him off the floor. The Trailblazers, being a bad team, only had 4 players with a positive rating
Roy +0.8
Aldridge: +1.8
Randolph: +8.0
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM
buster c
Footballguy
real GM has this mocker on the Wiz board:
1) Portland__Oden
2) Seattle__Durant
3) Atlanta__Conley
4) Memphis__Brandon Wright
5) Boston__Noah
6) Bucks__Horford
7) Minnesota__Brewer
Bobcats__Hibbert
9) Bulls__Hawes
10) Kings__Yi
11) Hawks__Splitter
12) 76ers__Julian Wright
13) Hornets__Thornton
14) Clippers__Splitter
15) Pistons__Law
16) Wizards__Stuckey
1) Portland__Oden
2) Seattle__Durant
3) Atlanta__Conley
4) Memphis__Brandon Wright
5) Boston__Noah
6) Bucks__Horford
7) Minnesota__Brewer
Bobcats__Hibbert
9) Bulls__Hawes
10) Kings__Yi
11) Hawks__Splitter
12) 76ers__Julian Wright
13) Hornets__Thornton
14) Clippers__Splitter
15) Pistons__Law
16) Wizards__Stuckey
Capella
Footballguy
please stop acting as if I was suggesting making an outright swap of Oden for Gasol and I wasn't just throwing a random thought out there. Seriously.Nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to backup both the PF and C positions initially. I'm sure Portland can deal with having Aldridge, Randolph and Oden in the front court. Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
your words, not mine.
Don't say dumb things if you don't want to get called out for it.
Dought Man
Footballguy
There is a reason guys like Duncan and Shaq have a fistful of rings... you take the center that everyone says is a once in a decade player and you move on, even if you have 5 centers on your roster already.Ultimately with the #1 overall pick you don't draft for need. So if they truly think Oden is a better prospect then I'd agree with you guys that they take Oden.But anyone arguing that the Trailblazers have a bigger need at center is completely insane! Their best two players according to RR last year were big men and they just spent a #2 overall pick on a big man. Meanwhile their small forward is Ime Udoka. Quick, without looking it up, can anyone tell me anything about Ime Udoka?Agreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
IMO, Durant's talent/skills are much more redundant with Randolph/Alridge than Oden's are.Ultimately with the #1 overall pick you don't draft for need. So if they truly think Oden is a better prospect then I'd agree with you guys that they take Oden.But anyone arguing that the Trailblazers have a bigger need at center is completely insane! Their best two players according to RR last year were big men and they just spent a #2 overall pick on a big man. Meanwhile their small forward is Ime Udoka. Quick, without looking it up, can anyone tell me anything about Ime Udoka?Agreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Contracts have to match though- which makes a deal tough.I do see your argument for Durant, hey you never know come draft day. They could swap with Seattle or something.please stop acting as if I was suggesting making an outright swap of Oden for Gasol and I wasn't just throwing a random thought out there. Seriously.Nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to backup both the PF and C positions initially. I'm sure Portland can deal with having Aldridge, Randolph and Oden in the front court. Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
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ianfitzy
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No, Let's pile on... I have been a Celtics fan my whole life, I am 19 years old so I never got to see a championship or even a pretty good team, I was too young to remember the ending years of Bird and stuff. I have lived through a atleast from what I remember 13 years of absolute mediocrity or terrible play. We screw up draft picks, we make horrible trades and signings and extend coaches who should have been fired the year the before. The Celtics should actually draft Spencer Hawes to form a dominating inside tandem of white dudes with Brian Scalabrine. Not to mention that Ainge was going to draft Robert Swift but the Sonics saved us from that so we ended up with Jefferson. The only good draft pick Ainge has really made
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
This is basically the sentiment that I'm just not understanding. Obviously any team could use another great player. But why is everyone suddenly acting as if center is the big need spot for Portland?If they draft Oden, then they will probably have to trade someone else away to make room for him. Thats not what I'd call a "perfect fit."
Borat
Footballguy
One can only hope. 9 out of 10 of his columns these days are about basketball.
Hopefully he gives up at this point.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
As a sixrs fan this makes me
_4_
Footballguy
As a Bucks fan, I could live with this...though I don't think Conley will go that high, I would be very happy if they got him - I think after the big 2, Conley is everyone's (fan-wise) choice as he is a known commodity and an exciting little player...
this guy won't go this high, will he?Celtics getting Noah instead of Oden would be brutal.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Your statement ws that Randolph should be on the bench. Randolph was CLEARLY their best player last year. Do you really think thats not a silly statement?Not quite sure how my statement is silly. Randolph is one of the worst defenders in the NBA, if not the worst. He is a turnstile, just a pathetically lazy defender. Defense wins championships. I am sure teams would jump at the opportunity to trade for the one dimensional player that Randolph is . . . wait a second.Why do people make silly statements like this? Not sure if you've heard of Roland Rating, but what it does is measure how much better/worse a team is with a certain player on the floor versus with him off the floor. The Trailblazers, being a bad team, only had 4 players with a positive rating
Roy +0.8
Aldridge: +1.8
Randolph: +8.0
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM
trader jake
Footballguy
That mock isn't so good.Noah at #5, Yi dropping to #10, Law dropping to #15...I just don't see it.
Oden gives them something they don't have...a dominant defensive presence inside.Durant gives them scoring and rebounding, which they can already get from Randolph and Aldridge.
Why?You couldn't choose 3 better franchises that needed saving.Seattle - threats of movingPortland - enough saidAtlanta - see aboveThe Boston markets of the league will be just fine.I bet David Stern wishes he froze a pingpong ball or two for this lottery. This turned out to be his worst nightmare imo.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Wait, who was it that wanted Oden for Gasol again?
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I don't care what you say, both Randolph and Aldridge are PF in today's NBA. Neither are real interior defenders nor shot blockers. If they pass on Oden for a SF when either Randolph or Aldridge would net them a SF, they should be shot.
Your Mother
Footballguy
Udoka went to college in Portland (Portland St.?), was a journeyman, and won a spot as a training camp invitee. Effort guy, team loves him. Not a great SF though. I think Randolph and Aldridge's good PER ratings are partly due to awful Jamaal Magloire backing them up.The Blazers still have a young Martell Webster who could potentially play the 3 when Jack and Roy are in the backcourt. Between him and Udoka they're OK, but obviously not great. Still, I think they'll take Oden. It's a lot easier to find a scoring SF than a legit interior defensive presence.Ultimately with the #1 overall pick you don't draft for need. So if they truly think Oden is a better prospect then I'd agree with you guys that they take Oden.But anyone arguing that the Trailblazers have a bigger need at center is completely insane! Their best two players according to RR last year were big men and they just spent a #2 overall pick on a big man. Meanwhile their small forward is Ime Udoka. Quick, without looking it up, can anyone tell me anything about Ime Udoka?Agreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Ugh, you guys are frusterating me. Yes, if they scout both players and determine that Oden is a much better prospect than Durant then they should take him. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm disagreeing wiith how one hour ago nobody was mentioning that the Trailblazers needed a big man.Let me put it to you this way: If they had gotten the #5 or so pick, do you disagree that most people would've mocked them taking a SF like Green or Brewer instead of a big man like Wright or Jianlian?They havn't even started scouting each player yet. Both were extremely impressive in college. You think that Oden is great because you've heard a few ESPN talking heads say so. Its not like any FBGs here are advanced scouts and know for sure that Oden is a better prospect than Durant. Its very possible that the Blazers scouting department could scout both and have them grade out equally. In that scenario you go with need.You just took Aldrige with the #2 overall pick. As a rookie he was 2nd on your team in roland rating. His PER was 17.1. He is 6ft 10in and 240lbs and the center position these days features a lot more smaller, quicker guys.Nothing wrong with him coming off the bench to backup both the PF and C positions initially. I'm sure Portland can deal with having Aldridge, Randolph and Oden in the front court. Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Karma for the Celts. Tanking should not be rewarded and it wasn't.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Again- if they think that Oden is better or more valuable than Durant, they should take him- and I include the rarity of position in with "better and more valuable." All I'm saying is that they have a clear lack of talent at SF and their strength right now is their big men. I'm disagreeing with the sudden "Oh what a perfect fit!" type of comments.Well ALL-NBA centers are much rarer than small forwards...if they really have the need there they can easily trade Randolph or Aldridge.Ultimately with the #1 overall pick you don't draft for need. So if they truly think Oden is a better prospect then I'd agree with you guys that they take Oden.But anyone arguing that the Trailblazers have a bigger need at center is completely insane! Their best two players according to RR last year were big men and they just spent a #2 overall pick on a big man. Meanwhile their small forward is Ime Udoka. Quick, without looking it up, can anyone tell me anything about Ime Udoka?Agreed. It's not supposed to be career threatening, but Aldridge also was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to miss the last few weeks. With the question marks on him and Randolph, and a good wing player in Roy, you can't pass on Oden.Trading out because Aldridge can play center makes me
Balco
Footballguy
Best low post scorer? Without question. But there are two aspects of basketball - offense and defense, and he is one of the worst defenders in the NBA. No concept of help defense, heck, no concept of any defense. Brandon Roy was their best player, IMO. I guess I just put a higher priority on defense than most.Your statement ws that Randolph should be on the bench. Randolph was CLEARLY their best player last year. Do you really think thats not a silly statement?Not quite sure how my statement is silly. Randolph is one of the worst defenders in the NBA, if not the worst. He is a turnstile, just a pathetically lazy defender. Defense wins championships. I am sure teams would jump at the opportunity to trade for the one dimensional player that Randolph is . . . wait a second.Why do people make silly statements like this? Not sure if you've heard of Roland Rating, but what it does is measure how much better/worse a team is with a certain player on the floor versus with him off the floor. The Trailblazers, being a bad team, only had 4 players with a positive rating
Roy +0.8
Aldridge: +1.8
Randolph: +8.0
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM
happy days for GM ahead.
Your Mother
Footballguy
Condescending much? I remember reading somewhere (it might have been Chad Ford) that he polled a bunch of NBA GM's. The vast majority of them said they would take Oden over Durant. No names of the GM's are involved, and it's not really a situation where GM's would be trying to blow smoke up someone's ###, so it's fairly reliable.BTW, I just left a phone message with the Warriors front office asking them to offer up Biedrins for Oden.
JMon348
Footballguy
I think Oden is a perfect fit, because LA would be a perfect PF to go next to Oden. LA doesnt have a back to the basket type game. He's an athletic, slasher type of PF that can hit the midrange shot. Portland is very scary now.Jack
Webster
Roy
LA
Oden
thats quite a future, if some of these guys can live up to their potential
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