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2012 Coach Otis All-Value Team (1 Viewer)

QB5 last year: 5k, 40+QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
New here?Respect the Oat.
 
QB5 last year: 5k, 40+QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
Where's your thread?
 
Been waiting for this. All I need now is Lhucks rankings critique and my do not draft list will be complete. Fading Oat and Huck got me into the top 10 of the 25k contest.

:chirppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp!:

 
SUPREME VALUE PICKS: Vincent Brown and Brandon LaFell

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Looks about the same to me.
He wrote it up preinjury it seems. Unlike Hawks, who die a slow, painful death... Hogs seems to send theirs out to immediate slaughter.
Pigs? Really. Good luck with that fellas. Pig guy writes a column and his main pick has his ankle explode in a nuclear fusion reaction. Coach writes one up and, well, did anyone see how sharp Cutler and Marshall looked the other night? Holy crap.

 
QB5 last year: 5k, 40+QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
I quit reading right there. No way does 4300/24 make the top 5.
 
Last years list was just brutal.

Someone has to go out on a limb sometimes. Its easy to come to the shark pool and lay down the same tired eggs.

At least he put something out there.

 
QB5 last year: 5k, 40+QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
I quit reading right there. No way does 4300/24 make the top 5.
If you had read a little further, you'd have seen the fish was wrong, because if you average out QB5 over the last 5 years, you end up with ~4100 and 25.6TD.
 
If you had read a little further, you'd have seen the fish was wrong, because if you average out QB5 over the last 5 years, you end up with ~4100 and 25.6TD.
Do hawks still wear Vuarnet sunglasses, depeche mode tshirts and go to the theaters to catch the breakfast club?Like in the today, Otis.

 
QB5 last year: 5k, 40+QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
I quit reading right there. No way does 4300/24 make the top 5.
If you had read a little further, you'd have seen the fish was wrong, because if you average out QB5 over the last 5 years, you end up with ~4100 and 25.6TD.
You've won me over with this airtight logic - it's Cutler for my magic team this year!
 
Good stuff Oat, thanks for the contribution. I'll be looking to make many of these same plays this year.

I only wish you tried this hard in the FFA.

 
QB5 last year: 5k, 40+

QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:

This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
:lmao:
Don't take the bait, RN. You're better than this. While this might not be so obvious down in the deep murky blue, but it turns out there was football before 2011. If you average out QB5 over the last 5 years, you end up with ~4100 and 25.6TD; depending on scoring system both of those numbers may deviate. Also, if you consider climate conditions and the harsh winter we'll be expecting, the fellas up in The Nest are predicting down QB numbers this year. And there you have it.



NEXT QUESTION
Two questions...1) Which QB doesn't throw for 4300/24 this year? Brady, Rodgers, Brees, or Stafford

2) Explain how scoring system may make the 4100 / 25.6 numbers deviate?

 
QB5 last year: 5k, 40+

QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:

This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
:lmao:
Don't take the bait, RN. You're better than this. While this might not be so obvious down in the deep murky blue, but it turns out there was football before 2011. If you average out QB5 over the last 5 years, you end up with ~4100 and 25.6TD; depending on scoring system both of those numbers may deviate. Also, if you consider climate conditions and the harsh winter we'll be expecting, the fellas up in The Nest are predicting down QB numbers this year. And there you have it.



NEXT QUESTION
Two questions...1) Which QB doesn't throw for 4300/24 this year? Brady, Rodgers, Brees, or Stafford

2) Explain how scoring system may make the 4100 / 25.6 numbers deviate?
1) Who says none of them will? That's 4 guys, and I said he would finish "around top 5." Look, this isn't English class, and I'm not here for reading comprehension. I'm here to help you with magic football. PM Smoo or pickles for help with the word stuff.2) Depending on your league scoring, a different QB might end up being QB5 in any given year, and thus the numbers will change.

Please direct all future correspondence to my interns -- interns@thenest.com

TIA

 
QB5 last year: 5k, 40+

QB5 this year: 4300/24? :confused:

This is what Bostonfred was talking about. So rarely does anyone put anything of substance up, and the few who try are clueless like this. This forum really is a stinking heap of turds.
:lmao:
Don't take the bait, RN. You're better than this. While this might not be so obvious down in the deep murky blue, but it turns out there was football before 2011. If you average out QB5 over the last 5 years, you end up with ~4100 and 25.6TD; depending on scoring system both of those numbers may deviate. Also, if you consider climate conditions and the harsh winter we'll be expecting, the fellas up in The Nest are predicting down QB numbers this year. And there you have it.



NEXT QUESTION
Two questions...1) Which QB doesn't throw for 4300/24 this year? Brady, Rodgers, Brees, or Stafford

2) Explain how scoring system may make the 4100 / 25.6 numbers deviate?
1) Who says none of them will? That's 4 guys, and I said he would finish "around top 5." Look, this isn't English class, and I'm not here for reading comprehension. I'm here to help you with magic football. PM Smoo or pickles for help with the word stuff.2) Depending on your league scoring, a different QB might end up being QB5 in any given year, and thus the numbers will change.

Please direct all future correspondence to my interns -- interns@thenest.com

TIA
How do you define "around"? Would this be the Hucks definition of +/- 15 spots or the MOP version?

 
Coach, who are your top 1 at every offensive position (including kicker.. even if it doesn't matter)

Thanks!

 
I like the list. Thanks for putting it together. My thoughts:

Mostly, I think Blount will neutralize the upside of Martin, but won't make enough hay on his own absent an injury to Martin to be a significant FF contributor. Maybe he can be a TD producer, but I'm not buying that he's going to be MORE productive after TB spends at first rounder on a more complete RB.

I'm lukewarm on Cutler, who has all the upside I want, but other than one very good year, he hasn't put it together for fantasy purposes. At some point, he is what he is, and though I agree he represents good value, forecasting a top five finish in an era when 4000 and 30 is what it takes for someone who has only approached those numbers once seems a bit overly optimistic.

I'm on board with Marshall (to be fair, he is trending as the sixth WR off the board, so it's not really a stretch to call him a top five WR) and Little in their entirety. Tamme is one of those TEs that I'll be happy to land if I miss on the big guys, but I'm definitely getting a decent second. Tamme is good pass receiver, but a very weak blocker (IIRC), which will limit his opportunities. Top 10 sounds reasonable, but Top Five in what looks to be a banner year for TE production, is asking a bit much.

As to the bonus guys, I like them all except Hunter. Only way he makes into relevance is an injury to Gore. Now, if the reasoning is that you expect Gore to succumb to a major injury, that's a different story, but Hunter will not pass Gore on the depth chart.

Okay, so since I've slung my arrows, it's only fair that I put a few guys up myself for critique:

QB: Rivers. ADP in round 7? Four straight years of over 4000 yds and 27 TDs going only one round in front of a rookie (RGIII) and Cutler? Found money in round six, let alone seven if he's there. A legit chance of being the top QB at year's end.

WR: Crabtree ADP in round 11. Crabtree will be the focal point of niners passing game. Finished as WR33 as the primary target on a weak passing offense. The niners passing attack has to improve, and Crabtree will be a major beneficiary.

RB: Donald Brown. Round 6 seems almost gift like for a true lead back. Sure, a measure of RBBC beckons, but it's his show now and, with his receiving skills and a QB that understands the short game, I could see a top 15 finish in PPR.

TE: Celek. Round 13. After a disastrous start, he finished in the top six from week six on. Camp injuries are the main tempering force in what I expect from him as a TE. Philly, with great defense stretchers at WR and a great receiving back in the short game, has a lot of open midfield for any TE and Celek should continue his work from last year.

 
WR

Brandon Marshall

What were you doing in 2008? Think back to that time, sitting in your parents’ basement, furiously tearing through the new issue of Fantasy Insider scrapping for stats to support your argument with gloam26 over at The Huddle. In 2008, Brandon Marshall was catching 104 passes in 15 games. He and Jay Cutler ran through fields of poppies in slow motion and embraced. It was magical. That’s what we’re offering here. More magic.

Most folks in the water have Marshall pegged outside the top 10. It’s not the most incredible value pick in the world, but he’ll finish top 5, and you’ll get nice bang for your buck, as we walk in fields of gold.

Top 5WR finish

Greg Little

Here’s what we said about him last year:

We're not usually keen on rookie WRs, but Greg Little has us licking our chops. I don't care how good or bad you think Colt McCoy is, his name is Colt, and he's still probably a lot better than you think he is. Little steps into a situation where he'll take the WR1 slot right off the bat, and he'll do what Anquan Boldin did some years ago when there were just a bunch of nobodies at QB and WR in Arizona and all of the sudden this guy catches 217 yards in his first game and the fantasy nerds are all going bananas and the fellas over at The Huddle are beside themselves trying to determine his fair value. Luckily we have the clear views from up here in the sky, and we're cruising, and we're looking down, and we're seeing things before they're even happening, and we're all thinking "man, I'd sure like to take that guy since he's the closest thing we've seen to Anquan Boldin since Anquan Boldin." And so that's what we do. So when it's getting late in the draft and the sharks in the room are all laughing because you haven't filled up your WR slots yet, and then you take Greg Little, and they think they're clever when they crack "too little, too late," you can just kick back and smile, and in your head you'll already be writing out the eat crow e-mail to the league. Suck it, swimmers!
Look, when you were a kid, you didn’t get pissed off if Santa brought you your fire truck a year early. Don’t be mad at us either. Just enjoy the damn truck.Off the board around WR35-40; top 20WR finish
What are the thoughts on both of the rookies projected to start opposite of WR Brandon Marshall and WR Greg Little?What are the thoughts of both rookies?

WR Alshon Jeffery

WR Josh Gordon

One or both of them could turn into legitimate #1 wide receivers so what are the thoughts on both of these rookies?

 
I like the list. Thanks for putting it together. My thoughts:

Mostly, I think Blount will neutralize the upside of Martin, but won't make enough hay on his own absent an injury to Martin to be a significant FF contributor. Maybe he can be a TD producer, but I'm not buying that he's going to be MORE productive after TB spends at first rounder on a more complete RB.

I'm lukewarm on Cutler, who has all the upside I want, but other than one very good year, he hasn't put it together for fantasy purposes. At some point, he is what he is, and though I agree he represents good value, forecasting a top five finish in an era when 4000 and 30 is what it takes for someone who has only approached those numbers once seems a bit overly optimistic.

I'm on board with Marshall (to be fair, he is trending as the sixth WR off the board, so it's not really a stretch to call him a top five WR) and Little in their entirety. Tamme is one of those TEs that I'll be happy to land if I miss on the big guys, but I'm definitely getting a decent second. Tamme is good pass receiver, but a very weak blocker (IIRC), which will limit his opportunities. Top 10 sounds reasonable, but Top Five in what looks to be a banner year for TE production, is asking a bit much.

As to the bonus guys, I like them all except Hunter. Only way he makes into relevance is an injury to Gore. Now, if the reasoning is that you expect Gore to succumb to a major injury, that's a different story, but Hunter will not pass Gore on the depth chart.

Okay, so since I've slung my arrows, it's only fair that I put a few guys up myself for critique:

QB: Rivers. ADP in round 7? Four straight years of over 4000 yds and 27 TDs going only one round in front of a rookie (RGIII) and Cutler? Found money in round six, let alone seven if he's there. A legit chance of being the top QB at year's end.

WR: Crabtree ADP in round 11. Crabtree will be the focal point of niners passing game. Finished as WR33 as the primary target on a weak passing offense. The niners passing attack has to improve, and Crabtree will be a major beneficiary.

RB: Donald Brown. Round 6 seems almost gift like for a true lead back. Sure, a measure of RBBC beckons, but it's his show now and, with his receiving skills and a QB that understands the short game, I could see a top 15 finish in PPR.

TE: Celek. Round 13. After a disastrous start, he finished in the top six from week six on. Camp injuries are the main tempering force in what I expect from him as a TE. Philly, with great defense stretchers at WR and a great receiving back in the short game, has a lot of open midfield for any TE and Celek should continue his work from last year.
Convince me why.Rivers didn't finish as the top QB with better a team in the past four years so why know on a team that is consistently recognized as being weaker? I'll grant you he is a good value at the current price, but saying he is a legit candidate for the top QB at the end of the year is a stretch.

 
Convince me why.

Rivers didn't finish as the top QB with better a team in the past four years so why know on a team that is consistently recognized as being weaker? I'll grant you he is a good value at the current price, but saying he is a legit candidate for the top QB at the end of the year is a stretch.
Fair question. Rivers has been a top 10 QB for the last four years. His run over the last six (since he has become a starter) looks like this (Data pulled from pro-football-reference.com):2006: 8

2007: 15

2008: 2

2009: 7

2010: 5

2011: 9

Last year, in what many (including me) consider his floor performance, he still had over 4600 passing yards and 27 TDs. His INTs were much higher than his career average. I'm not predicting him as the top QB, but I definitely think it's within his range. To be fair, he's never had a consistent WR (Gates has filled that role for him and he's still on the team).

I'm not predicting that he'll finish as the top QB, but when I see a guy with four straight 4000+ yardage seasons with two consecutive 4600+, I see a QB with top five midrange and potential top QB. His WRs don't really matter anyway. In 2010, when Rivers topped 4700 yds with 30 TDs, the top WR was Sproles, with 59 reception (for yardage, it was Gates with 782).

 
I'm lukewarm on Cutler, who has all the upside I want, but other than one very good year, he hasn't put it together for fantasy purposes. At some point, he is what he is, and though I agree he represents good value, forecasting a top five finish in an era when 4000 and 30 is what it takes for someone who has only approached those numbers once seems a bit overly optimistic.QB: Rivers. ADP in round 7? Four straight years of over 4000 yds and 27 TDs going only one round in front of a rookie (RGIII) and Cutler? Found money in round six, let alone seven if he's there. A legit chance of being the top QB at year's end.WR: Crabtree ADP in round 11. Crabtree will be the focal point of niners passing game. Finished as WR33 as the primary target on a weak passing offense. The niners passing attack has to improve, and Crabtree will be a major beneficiary.RB: Donald Brown. Round 6 seems almost gift like for a true lead back. Sure, a measure of RBBC beckons, but it's his show now and, with his receiving skills and a QB that understands the short game, I could see a top 15 finish in PPR.
Things people are saying about Cutler in fantasy, where the same they were saying about Eli. Jeffrey's showing he can play. So Jay might not only FINALLY have 1 NFL starting WR this year....but TWO.Rivers -- not a bad pick. I'm not crazy whatsoever on Meachem -- who it wouldn't shock me if only lasted a season there. Thought he was a TERRIBLE pick up by SD. It took him 25 years to pick up nuisances of New Orleans offense (even then, he really didn't have to run a full route tree there). Huge Huge Huge downgrade from Vince Jax to Meachem. If Gates/Floyd stay healthy, Rivers should still put up nice #'s. I think Vincent Brown was a huge loss for Rivers. (I had Brown ranked ahead of Meachem this year)Crabtree won't be the focal point IMO. That'll be Vernon -- who we saw go nuts in the postseason. Crabtree's ceiling is as a WR3 -- which is what he was last year. Moss/Manningham will produce more than the secondary WR options did last year in SF (I expect and uptick in yardage for Alex Smith....I just don't think Crabtree's going to be main beneficiary.Like the Donald Brown call. Been singing his praises since early last year when people were still on the nuts of the fresh toy Delone Carter (a practice squad talent).
 
What are the thoughts on both of the rookies projected to start opposite of WR Brandon Marshall and WR Greg Little?

What are the thoughts of both rookies?

WR Alshon Jeffery

WR Josh Gordon

One or both of them could turn into legitimate #1 wide receivers so what are the thoughts on both of these rookies?
which one? or both?
 

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