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Eh, maybe. It will open A LOT of stuff up. But it still doesn't change my opinion on Mason. He's come a long way, but he's still more of an athlete than a basketball player. Put Tyler Hansbrough's work rate and heart in Mason Plumlee's body and he'd average like 40-20.
We've won that thing enough, and tired ourselves out in the process, in the last 10-15 years. I'd prefer, for once, a 1991-style run instead. With a healing Kelly the last thing Duke needs, honestly, is three games in three days - well, unless you're going to argue that the more games there are to work Kelly back into things, the better. That argument I could buy.
Part of its the injury. When you lower leg problems, you can't close out or move laterally the way you want to. As someone who had a serious leg injury 3 years ago and never really recovered, I know.
Harshing on Curry after this one. Are you kidding?
BTW, he defended Harris on about three plays.
I'll have to watch his defensive end more...I'm usually focused on Plumlee and whether or not he's battling and getting position.
i'm just not buying the POY talk about him. For POY, I prefer players who are studs on both ends of the court.Harshing on Curry after this one. Are you kidding?
Well, UVa scored 73, 36 (?) of which were Harris, about 2-3 of which were assignable to Curry. Then Mitchell has about 14-15, none of which were Curry's responsibility. I don't think Curry gave up the remaining 22 points. Without Curry Duke would have lost by 20-25 and sporthenry would be paying that other guy serious coin for the ten-point sucker bet.
It's the heart...that's response to getting punched in the mouth. Plumlee acts as if he didn't grow up with brothers...did these boys never fight?
But I think Duke would have to lose out to drop. NC State can finish best at 12-6. Duke finishes at 12-6 with a win versus Va. Tech. Tiebreaker both 0 for against Miami and UVA. Split with UNC. So I believe it goes to Maryland who Duke split and NC State is 0-1. I believe they treat Duke 0-2 versus Miami same as NC State 0-1.
Yup, nice job. Duke won't be playing on Thursday.
Seems like his brother is the only one he WILL fight with. Marshall was sporting a huge black eye on the bench today. Its like the 4th time its happened in the 2 years he's been there.
That is the problem with the mass storming of the courts. I forget where it was earlier with all the court stormings, but one place had the students funneled from a few areas that made it easier. And most times, they usually have the security line form around the benches. I'd imagine it is only a matter of time before something bad happens and court storming either gets banned before or after that. It is ashame b/c I don't mind court storming and always wanted to be apart of one but you know one time, some drunk kid will say something to someone and all hell will break loose. Or imagine if a player gets trampled.
Yup. But at least we know it won't happen at Duke, since we're not really into the whole court-storming deal. Whether or not it will happen TO Duke, though . . . ugh. Rest assured that if it does, any resulting injury will be to a foot.
Who's the one, Miami? If so, I disagree. I think State would have beaten them in Raleigh with Kelly.
K whining about students rushing the court and trash talking him and his players. The same guy whose home court routinely has students on the front row up in the opponents face running their mouths. Classy guy dropping F bombs all night at officials and then the opposing fans. Hypocritical turd that is a sore loser.
Agree to disagree. I know that Duke got decent contributions out of Jefferson and Hairston that afternoon, but a lot of NC. St's 2nd chance points that day (many coming from Howell) would have been avoided if Kelly had been in there. Not saying Kelly is going to shut Howell down 1 on 1, but he makes so many little defensive plays that I think he would have gotten Duke over the hump that day.
I don't like the fans rushing the court because someone will get hurt eventually. That being said, I did find it funny that Coach K told the ref at about the 10 minute mark to shut the F up. I didn't believe it at first when I read it on IC, but since I had the game on I rewound the point where it happened and it is clear as day he dropped the F bomb to the ref.
You really need to let it go man. Seriously. There's a big difference between fans saying things from the stands and drunk college kids confronting players/coaches on the court. One is mostly in good fun (although it can certainly get out of hand if the wrong things are said) and the other is a potentially SERIOUS safety and liability issue.Considering that the court gets rushed 95% of the time that Duke loses, they're obviously going to be sensitive about it. I think court rushing is generally really stupid anyway, but even I concede that it isn't, the home team has the responsibility to make sure the losing team gets out of there without incident before the kids are on the floor. As far as the cursing, they're just words. He probably shouldn't say them (especially to the refs) but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter at all. Lots of coaches curse. Pretty much all of them.
Let what go? Calling him out when he acts like a petulant child?Yes, a fan rushes the court and trash talks you. You can continue to walk away and be the bigger person or you can turn around and cuss out a college kid. No different than a Duke fan taunting and trash talking from the front row. Wasn't it the UNC game where one of them actually touched Hairston? What if Hairston felt threatened and turn around and slugged the guy? It's no different. K wants everyone else to clean up their problems but at least start in house first. That's all I'm saying.And be honest, none of the court rushing stuff would have bothered him last night if he wasn't so pissed off at Roger Ayers. I said in one of these threads two weeks ago I wish the NCAA would clean up the garbage acts by all coaches. Automatically T them up when they curse and whine about calls. No other coach in the conference would have gotten away with what K did last night except maybe Roy but he doesn't act that way on the sidelines anyway.You really need to let it go man. Seriously. There's a big difference between fans saying things from the stands and drunk college kids confronting players/coaches on the court. One is mostly in good fun (although it can certainly get out of hand if the wrong things are said) and the other is a potentially SERIOUS safety and liability issue.Considering that the court gets rushed 95% of the time that Duke loses, they're obviously going to be sensitive about it. I think court rushing is generally really stupid anyway, but even I concede that it isn't, the home team has the responsibility to make sure the losing team gets out of there without incident before the kids are on the floor. As far as the cursing, they're just words. He probably shouldn't say them (especially to the refs) but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter at all. Lots of coaches curse. Pretty much all of them.
Not sure I understand the logic here. It's not like they're a 1 seed and a prime Final Four candidate who can dominate teams with size and talent. Offensively, this team's best chance to win is to rely on the three point line. Sure, maybe they go cold. So what? They lose? They'll lose against quality competition for sure if they rely on McAdoo making free throws and feeding two other post guys who, bless their hearts, can't catch the basketball. The two best offensive players are Bullock and Hairston, three point specialists who also have the size and quickness to get to the bucket if the defense overplays. Gotta run things through them.
You jump on K for every little thing. If he squeezed out a silent fart during a meeting you'd probably start a thread about it. You hate the guy. Its fairly obvious. If you don't say something when its "just" some kid running up to you and trash talking, nothing ever gets done about it. Then on the one day when it escalates to some drunk ####### slugging one of your players (which will happen one day and probably soon. There's no question about it) you've done nothing to prevent it. You can't T up a coach every time he complains about a call. That's just silly. I agree that they shouldn't curse at the refs. That's not right. They shouldn't show them up (although I'm losing more and more faith in this idea as more and more refs try to make the game about them with their own grandstanding and silly demonstrative calls)Let what go? Calling him out when he acts like a petulant child?Yes, a fan rushes the court and trash talks you. You can continue to walk away and be the bigger person or you can turn around and cuss out a college kid. No different than a Duke fan taunting and trash talking from the front row. Wasn't it the UNC game where one of them actually touched Hairston? What if Hairston felt threatened and turn around and slugged the guy? It's no different. K wants everyone else to clean up their problems but at least start in house first. That's all I'm saying.And be honest, none of the court rushing stuff would have bothered him last night if he wasn't so pissed off at Roger Ayers. I said in one of these threads two weeks ago I wish the NCAA would clean up the garbage acts by all coaches. Automatically T them up when they curse and whine about calls. No other coach in the conference would have gotten away with what K did last night except maybe Roy but he doesn't act that way on the sidelines anyway.You really need to let it go man. Seriously. There's a big difference between fans saying things from the stands and drunk college kids confronting players/coaches on the court. One is mostly in good fun (although it can certainly get out of hand if the wrong things are said) and the other is a potentially SERIOUS safety and liability issue.Considering that the court gets rushed 95% of the time that Duke loses, they're obviously going to be sensitive about it. I think court rushing is generally really stupid anyway, but even I concede that it isn't, the home team has the responsibility to make sure the losing team gets out of there without incident before the kids are on the floor. As far as the cursing, they're just words. He probably shouldn't say them (especially to the refs) but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter at all. Lots of coaches curse. Pretty much all of them.
Granted I'm not an impartial observer (and neither are you). But that's two straight losses where K has been pretty whiny postgame. He had a fair point this time, but when you do it twice in a row it's not just a little thing. It's starting to become a pattern.FWIW I thought his sore loser act after the Maryland game was far more juvenile and dooshy. This seemed like a fair point (if slightly melodramatic). And he was careful to compliment the team and Harris and even the fans to some extent.
I can't disagree with the security aspects of K's comments. However, when you're the face of a university it's probably not a good idea to be cussing at fans or having to be pulled away from a situation by security. He's been through it a million times before, yet THIS is where he snaps? Meh...he screwed up and should own it but I'm sure excuses will come out of the woodwork in his defense.I don't like the fans rushing the court because someone will get hurt eventually. That being said, I did find it funny that Coach K told the ref at about the 10 minute mark to shut the F up. I didn't believe it at first when I read it on IC, but since I had the game on I rewound the point where it happened and it is clear as day he dropped the F bomb to the ref.
I can't remember a time when K hasn't sworn at refs. He is well known for his potty mouth.
<---K Other coaches curse too, but K does it best. He is still one of my favorite coaches of all time.
i take it that a high number is bad.
Yeah I read through the thread this morning and didn't understand the reaction. This was probably the second-toughest game on Duke's schedule this season. No shame in losing this one, especially with Kelly still out. Don't think it changes anything.
This is what he said, "I have a great deal of respect for Maryland," Krzyzewski said. "If it was such a rivalry they'd still be in the ACC. Obviously they don't think it's that important or else they wouldn't be in the Big Ten."
It was hypocritical garbage. A guy who takes a huge salary from a university and then threatens to leave for the NBA every couple years to leverage yet another raise for himself doesn't get to take the high ground on people doing things for financial reasons. Maryland's a public institution, it has a responsibility to both students and taxpayers to do what's best financially. It can't afford to lose millions to protect "traditions." Having a guy who makes what K makes at an elite, expensive private school act all principled about Maryland's needs and motivations is exactly the kind of pompous crap that makes people hate Duke.It wasn't a UNC-Duke level rivalry, but it was a significant rivalry, and I think he knows it. And even if he doesn't- which I find very hard to believe- why try to #### on the winner's parade like that?
He doesn't threaten to leave for the NBA every couple years. K never said he didn't think it was a rivalry. He very much believes it is. Maryland built the game up to be a big rival game, which is why afterwards he said if it was such a rivalry they'd still be in the ACC, but obviously they don't think it's that important.
I'm not cranky and wasn't last night either. I couldn't believe how lazy Duke was playing or how great Harris and Mitchell were playing. I thought the crankiness from the Duke guys last night was because of their teams effort which they even admitted and for a brief stretch at the officials.
I don't think he said it because he was pissed about losing. He has been very vocal about the expansions every time they happen, and he has been vocal about not wanting Maryland to leave. He is very big on tradition, which includes rivalry, and he is very disappointed they are jumping ship.
So am I. But MD leaving has zero to do with rivalries or tradition and he's smart enough to know that.
This is a futile conversation. Good luck to your team in the Big Ten. I don't think Maryland will find the grass greener over there.
from this footage, i'd say you're right. looks like the cops/security stopped the flow of fans in that bottom right corner (at around the 1 minute mark of the video) as Duke walked to the locker room, though you can't fully see what happens further off to the right. Though it begs the question of why the media brought it up in the presser (K didn't comment until asked about it)
and there's the rub. the lament is that tradition is not being factored into the equation on these conference decisions, and lots of folks (K included) think it should be a bigger consideration.
true for me
I hear ya and agree with that feeling. As a fan for 40+ years, I hate the move. I just thought it was odd the way K phrased it. "If they thought it was such a big rivalry, they wouldn't be leaving" isn't the same as "I wish rivalries & tradition played more of a role in realignment".
what question was he asked?
I suspect they brought it up because of K's reaction. Reports suggest that he had to be removed, by security, from the altercation with the fan. I have no idea what was said or what else transpired, but I doubt they ask him anything had he just walked off the floor.
I'd love for State to win the ACCT.
