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[Uruk-Hai]

I hear ya and agree with that feeling. As a fan for 40+ years, I hate the move. I just thought it was odd the way K phrased it. "If they thought it was such a big rivalry, they wouldn't be leaving" isn't the same as "I wish rivalries & tradition played more of a role in realignment".

what question was he asked?

I don't even remember

 

[oso diablo]

I hear ya and agree with that feeling. As a fan for 40+ years, I hate the move. I just thought it was odd the way K phrased it. "If they thought it was such a big rivalry, they wouldn't be leaving" isn't the same as "I wish rivalries & tradition played more of a role in realignment".

what question was he asked?

I don't even remember

helps to know the question if you want to parse the answer.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I hear ya and agree with that feeling. As a fan for 40+ years, I hate the move. I just thought it was odd the way K phrased it. "If they thought it was such a big rivalry, they wouldn't be leaving" isn't the same as "I wish rivalries & tradition played more of a role in realignment".

what question was he asked?

I don't even remember

helps to know the question if you want to parse the answer.

Can't imagine a question that would make that a good answer the way he phrased it

 

[oso diablo]

Can't imagine a question that would make that a good answer the way he phrased it

How do you feel about Maryland leaving the ACC, and Duke losing such a big rivalry game?

 

[Popinski]

Saw this posted elsewhere. There is a whole wall of "security" for Duke's team and coaches. The floor rush didn't get anywhere near them. UVA ushers certainly did their jobhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=adQHaE2K5Ro#!

from this footage, i'd say you're right. looks like the cops/security stopped the flow of fans in that bottom right corner (at around the 1 minute mark of the video) as Duke walked to the locker room, though you can't fully see what happens further off to the right. Though it begs the question of why the media brought it up in the presser (K didn't comment until asked about it)

I suspect they brought it up because of K's reaction. Reports suggest that he had to be removed, by security, from the altercation with the fan. I have no idea what was said or what else transpired, but I doubt they ask him anything had he just walked off the floor.

At the 19 second mark on the above video, there is a fan who runs straight at the Duke sideline from the opposite end of the court and bumps Plumlee before being pushed away by security. I didn't see K in there, so I'm not sure if that was the supposed altercation. Regardless, if I'm the coach, I'd be fairly pissed about incidents like that.

 

[RCon]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

 

[Aerial Assault]

K whining about students rushing the court and trash talking him and his players. The same guy whose home court routinely has students on the front row up in the opponents face running their mouths. Classy guy dropping F bombs all night at officials and then the opposing fans. Hypocritical turd that is a sore loser.

ETA: never mind, not worth it

 

[Aerial Assault]

Hairston - 15 minutes, 0's across the board except for 1 TO and 4 fouls.

Yeah, that's not gonna get it done. I don't understand why Jefferson is playing less than Hairston. Jefferson's numbers weren't much better, but it's obvious that Hairston is a stiff... he shouldn't see a minute once Kelly comes back.

We (Duke fans) don't either. And it is obvious that Hairston is a stiff. Lots of laudable hustle and a decent defender, but Amile Jefferson (and Murphy) were highly-rated prepsters for a reason.

 

[Aerial Assault]

I thought the crankiness from the Duke guys last night was because of their teams effort which they even admitted and for a brief stretch at the officials.

true for me

Yup. Roger Ayers' takeover of the game was a real howler, but Duke lost the game handily on their own with no real gameplan, a misuse of Plumlee, the usual softness by Plumlee when opposing teams have the temerity to doubleteam him, freshman stupidity by Sulaimon, and as pointed about by Funke or somebody above, a complete zero at the four spot. In truth, starting Hairston and leaving him in for more than about 30 seconds just about took care of things, as he was on the court for and largely culpable in Virginia's 9-0 (?) start.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Can't imagine a question that would make that a good answer the way he phrased it

How do you feel about Maryland leaving the ACC, and Duke losing such a big rivalry game?

And his answer makes it seem like, if MD/Duke was such a big rivalry, MD wouldn't be leaving. My point is that they absolutely would be - rivalry be damned - because football & $$$ trump the hell out of hoops.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

Great post. This thread will miss Uruk badly, but with content like the above from you, well, enjoy the Big Ten thread.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Funny we were just talking about Bilas' ideas to fix the NCAA and this article pops up.

My link

 

[NMYMND]

Battle for ACC tourney bye at is stands. Duke, UVa and UNC can make it by winning. NC State has the easiest schedule left, but will need help losses by others to move up. I put FSU and Maryland in because I think they still have a mathematical shot - but will be eliminate if UVa and UNC win this weekend. (Is my quick look at this correct?) 1. Miami - locked at 1 seed2. Duke (11-4) - Miami, VT, @UNC3. UVa (10-5) - @BC, @FSU, Maryland4. UNC (10-5) - FSU, @Maryland, Duke5. NC State (9-6) - @GT, Wake, @FSU6. FSU (7-8) - @UNC, UVa, NC State7. Maryland (7-8) - @Wake, UNC, @UVaNot really worried about the rest at the moment

 

[Worm]

State needs to win out, and needs Duke to beat UNC. That's about their best shot at a bye.

 

[NMYMND]

State needs to win out, and needs Duke to beat UNC. That's about their best shot at a bye.

Yes, that makes complete sense based on the who-beat-who tiebreakers. Of course, the only advantage to getting the 4th slot is the extra day off before playing (likely), the 5 seed. I think this year it will be a big advantage to finish in the top 3.

 

[Aerial Assault]

State needs to win out, and needs Duke to beat UNC. That's about their best shot at a bye.

Yes, that makes complete sense based on the who-beat-who tiebreakers. Of course, the only advantage to getting the 4th slot is the extra day off before playing (likely), the 5 seed. I think this year it will be a big advantage to finish in the top 3.

Confused. Isn't that a huge advantage, the extra day off? Four over five, that is?

 

[The Commish]

Saw this posted elsewhere. There is a whole wall of "security" for Duke's team and coaches. The floor rush didn't get anywhere near them. UVA ushers certainly did their job

Absolutely! And if it were me, the school and the security crew would hear from me...but I wouldn't be cussing out a fan. The only way I get into it with a fan is if I'm breaking up a fight between a fan and my player.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Saw this posted elsewhere. There is a whole wall of "security" for Duke's team and coaches. The floor rush didn't get anywhere near them. UVA ushers certainly did their job

Okay, before this becomes a totally groundless meme on the level of the Tyler Lewis Grandma Chant That Wasn't . . . is there any evidence that this actually happened?

 

[The Commish]

Saw this posted elsewhere. There is a whole wall of "security" for Duke's team and coaches. The floor rush didn't get anywhere near them. UVA ushers certainly did their job

That what actually happened? That K got into it with a fan? Only the rumblings from the media there. I wasn't there. I don't know. Personally, of the things recorded, I really don't know why K was commenting about security. If he was asked a question about it and it wasn't a big deal. That should be his response. The fact that he was asked the question and answered the way he did leads me to believe he thought there was a problem, but as I watched the end of the game and the "rush" it was incredibly slow and when I turned it off, the floor wasn't even full From what I saw on the television broadcast, he's had A LOT worse rushes to "endure". Not sure why he picked this game to comment.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Saw this posted elsewhere. There is a whole wall of "security" for Duke's team and coaches. The floor rush didn't get anywhere near them. UVA ushers certainly did their job

Okay, that all makes good sense, thanks. But I thought you just told us that his behavior was good with you except for his cussing out of a fan. And "media rumblings" aren't really worth anything unless the reporters had the guts to put them down.

 

[NMYMND]

State needs to win out, and needs Duke to beat UNC. That's about their best shot at a bye.

Yes, that makes complete sense based on the who-beat-who tiebreakers. Of course, the only advantage to getting the 4th slot is the extra day off before playing (likely), the 5 seed. I think this year it will be a big advantage to finish in the top 3.

Confused. Isn't that a huge advantage, the extra day off? Four over five, that is?

The extra day off is a huge advantage in the 4-5 game, yes. I meant for this year and looking ahead to the weekend, finishing 2nd or 3rd is a must due to caliber of competition. I'm going with the assumption that playing the 6th or 7th place team on Friday will be clearly easier than playing the 5th place team. ... Also could be completely wrong.

 

[The Commish]

Saw this posted elsewhere. There is a whole wall of "security" for Duke's team and coaches. The floor rush didn't get anywhere near them. UVA ushers certainly did their job

There's little I approve of when it comes to K's behavior on the floor, ever. I'm not a big fan of his approach. It works for him, whatever. My comment was meant to convey the thought that there is no circumstance where I'd cuss out a fan (IF he really did that). Sorry for the confusion. I.E. It's good to raise the awareness and bring it to the attention of the people responsible for safety, but he has no business getting into it with a fan if he did.

 

[Aerial Assault]

There's little I approve of when it comes to K's behavior on the floor, ever. I'm not a big fan of his approach. It works for him, whatever. My comment was meant to convey the thought that there is no circumstance where I'd cuss out a fan (IF he really did that). Sorry for the confusion.

Got it. I wouldn't approve if Roy Williams or Mark Turgeonfried went around harassing small animals and the elderly either (IF they really did that). I think we're on the same page here.

 

[The Commish]

There's little I approve of when it comes to K's behavior on the floor, ever. I'm not a big fan of his approach. It works for him, whatever. My comment was meant to convey the thought that there is no circumstance where I'd cuss out a fan (IF he really did that). Sorry for the confusion.

Got it. I wouldn't approve if Roy Williams or Mark Turgeonfried went around harassing small animals and the elderly either (IF they really did that). I think we're on the same page here.

even those little rat looking chiwawas??? I think I'd make an exception for one of those.

 

[Aerial Assault]

There's little I approve of when it comes to K's behavior on the floor, ever. I'm not a big fan of his approach. It works for him, whatever. My comment was meant to convey the thought that there is no circumstance where I'd cuss out a fan (IF he really did that). Sorry for the confusion.

Got it. I wouldn't approve if Roy Williams or Mark Turgeonfried went around harassing small animals and the elderly either (IF they really did that). I think we're on the same page here.

even those little rat looking chiwawas??? I think I'd make an exception for one of those.

In before Funke or Construx compares a rat-looking chihuahua to Krzyzewski.

 

[The Commish]

There's little I approve of when it comes to K's behavior on the floor, ever. I'm not a big fan of his approach. It works for him, whatever. My comment was meant to convey the thought that there is no circumstance where I'd cuss out a fan (IF he really did that). Sorry for the confusion.

Got it. I wouldn't approve if Roy Williams or Mark Turgeonfried went around harassing small animals and the elderly either (IF they really did that). I think we're on the same page here.

even those little rat looking chiwawas??? I think I'd make an exception for one of those.

In before Funke or Construx compares a rat-looking chihuahua to Krzyzewski.

I wasn't even going there....I just hate those little dogs.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Even if MD/Duke was a rivalry on the scale of UNC/Duke, they'd still be leaving. Hoops ain't driving this, no matter what K tries to say. He knows it, too. I think he was just pissed right after losing a game and said something dumb.

I do it all the time.

No matter how you slice it, it was tone-deaf for a super-rich guy from a super-rich school to suggest that a public school that's had to cut a number of sports from its athletic program in the last year shouldn't have made a decision about athletics based on money. If you want to lament the loss of the rivalry as a casualty of the economic reality, I hear you. But he came across as judgmental, not sad. Just emotion after a loss, I suspect.

 

[butcher boy]

This is the best picture.http://i.imgur.com/d8HeG8p.jpg

 

[Aerial Assault]

Even if MD/Duke was a rivalry on the scale of UNC/Duke, they'd still be leaving. Hoops ain't driving this, no matter what K tries to say. He knows it, too. I think he was just pissed right after losing a game and said something dumb.

I do it all the time.

No matter how you slice it, it was tone-deaf for a super-rich guy from a super-rich school to suggest that a public school that's had to cut a number of sports from its athletic program in the last year shouldn't have made a decision about athletics based on money. If you want to lament the loss of the rivalry as a casualty of the economic reality, I hear you. But he came across as judgmental, not sad. Just emotion after a loss, I suspect.

The public school had to make those cuts, and was forced into its situation, by chronic financial mismanagement. And as you may or may not be aware, Maryland made no attempt to stay in the ACC, or negotiate for a better deal: it just fled. So your arguments are completely flightless, even without the short-term problem that Maryland will face paying (some portion of) the exit fee, assuming that its frivolous litigation gets tossed.

Regardless, even for you, stretching Krrzyzewski saying that Maryland must not think it was that big of a rivalry if they were willing to abandon it (to become, quite possibly, a perennial also-ran and geographic outcast in the Big Ten) into an attack by a rich guy against the poor homeless people at UMD is just preposterously weak sauce. If Roy Williams had said this, you'd be applauding it ceaselessly and bemoaning the loss of ACC tradition.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Even if MD/Duke was a rivalry on the scale of UNC/Duke, they'd still be leaving. Hoops ain't driving this, no matter what K tries to say. He knows it, too. I think he was just pissed right after losing a game and said something dumb.

I do it all the time.

No matter how you slice it, it was tone-deaf for a super-rich guy from a super-rich school to suggest that a public school that's had to cut a number of sports from its athletic program in the last year shouldn't have made a decision about athletics based on money. If you want to lament the loss of the rivalry as a casualty of the economic reality, I hear you. But he came across as judgmental, not sad. Just emotion after a loss, I suspect.

The public school had to make those cuts, and was forced into its situation, by chronic financial mismanagement. And as you may or may not be aware, Maryland made no attempt to stay in the ACC, or negotiate for a better deal: it just fled. So your arguments are completely flightless, even without the short-term problem that Maryland will face paying (some portion of) the exit fee, assuming that its frivolous litigation gets tossed.

Regardless, even for you, stretching Krrzyzewski saying that Maryland must not think it was that big of a rivalry if they were willing to abandon it (to become, quite possibly, a perennial also-ran and geographic outcast in the Big Ten) into an attack by a rich guy against the poor homeless people at UMD is just preposterously weak sauce. If Roy Williams had said this, you'd be applauding it ceaselessly and bemoaning the loss of ACC tradition.

Didn't learn how to use the ignore function yet? Send me a PM and I'll walk you through it. Or just stop thinking you know me and can speak for me. Either way. I write what I think. You can write what you think. I think it's incredibly dumb for a rich guy from a school with money up to its ears to criticize schools that don't have money (regardless of how they got that way) for making decisions motivated by financial reasons. The school's athletic department is rightfully more concerned with its financial health than with protecting Coach K's outdated nonsense about "tradition." If you feel differently, fine, you can say that. And if you can find a post of mine that suggests I'd say differently if it was Roy, feel free to repost it.

Otherwise, don't speak for me. Post your own thoughts. You know, whining incessantly about every little call, badmouthing your favorite team's players, and crying about inevitable doomsday scenarios for that team every time it runs up against the slightest bit of adversity. That seems to be more in your wheelhouse.

 

[Worm]

ool

 

[Tau837]

Congrats to the UVA fans here. Love the way the Hoos play defense.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Even if MD/Duke was a rivalry on the scale of UNC/Duke, they'd still be leaving. Hoops ain't driving this, no matter what K tries to say. He knows it, too. I think he was just pissed right after losing a game and said something dumb.

I do it all the time.

No matter how you slice it, it was tone-deaf for a super-rich guy from a super-rich school to suggest that a public school that's had to cut a number of sports from its athletic program in the last year shouldn't have made a decision about athletics based on money. If you want to lament the loss of the rivalry as a casualty of the economic reality, I hear you. But he came across as judgmental, not sad. Just emotion after a loss, I suspect.

The public school had to make those cuts, and was forced into its situation, by chronic financial mismanagement. And as you may or may not be aware, Maryland made no attempt to stay in the ACC, or negotiate for a better deal: it just fled. So your arguments are completely flightless, even without the short-term problem that Maryland will face paying (some portion of) the exit fee, assuming that its frivolous litigation gets tossed.

Regardless, even for you, stretching Krrzyzewski saying that Maryland must not think it was that big of a rivalry if they were willing to abandon it (to become, quite possibly, a perennial also-ran and geographic outcast in the Big Ten) into an attack by a rich guy against the poor homeless people at UMD is just preposterously weak sauce. If Roy Williams had said this, you'd be applauding it ceaselessly and bemoaning the loss of ACC tradition.

Didn't learn how to use the ignore function yet? Send me a PM and I'll walk you through it. Or just stop thinking you know me and can speak for me. Either way. I write what I think. You can write what you think. I think it's incredibly dumb for a rich guy from a school with money up to its ears to criticize schools that don't have money (regardless of how they got that way) for making decisions motivated by financial reasons. The school's athletic department is rightfully more concerned with its financial health than with protecting Coach K's outdated nonsense about "tradition." If you feel differently, fine, you can say that. And if you can find a post of mine that suggests I'd say differently if it was Roy, feel free to repost it.

Otherwise, don't speak for me. Post your own thoughts. You know, whining incessantly about every little call, badmouthing your favorite team's players, and crying about inevitable doomsday scenarios for that team every time it runs up against the slightest bit of adversity. That seems to be more in your wheelhouse.

Great substantive answer. Not surprising because you didn't have much of a case to begin with. In any event, I'm sure you are indeed big on the ignore button, so use it if you want; I don't want to upset you any further as you spew out nonsense like the above and expect not to be challenged. As for me ignoring you, why? You provide some pretty serious amusement.

 

[Tau837]

State needs to win out, and needs Duke to beat UNC. That's about their best shot at a bye.

Yes, that makes complete sense based on the who-beat-who tiebreakers. Of course, the only advantage to getting the 4th slot is the extra day off before playing (likely), the 5 seed. I think this year it will be a big advantage to finish in the top 3.

It's really a double advantage. The 4 seed is fresh, having not played on Thursday, and the 5 seed is not fresh, having played a game within the previous 24 hours or so.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Even if MD/Duke was a rivalry on the scale of UNC/Duke, they'd still be leaving. Hoops ain't driving this, no matter what K tries to say. He knows it, too. I think he was just pissed right after losing a game and said something dumb.

I do it all the time.

No matter how you slice it, it was tone-deaf for a super-rich guy from a super-rich school to suggest that a public school that's had to cut a number of sports from its athletic program in the last year shouldn't have made a decision about athletics based on money. If you want to lament the loss of the rivalry as a casualty of the economic reality, I hear you. But he came across as judgmental, not sad. Just emotion after a loss, I suspect.

The public school had to make those cuts, and was forced into its situation, by chronic financial mismanagement. And as you may or may not be aware, Maryland made no attempt to stay in the ACC, or negotiate for a better deal: it just fled. So your arguments are completely flightless, even without the short-term problem that Maryland will face paying (some portion of) the exit fee, assuming that its frivolous litigation gets tossed.

Regardless, even for you, stretching Krrzyzewski saying that Maryland must not think it was that big of a rivalry if they were willing to abandon it (to become, quite possibly, a perennial also-ran and geographic outcast in the Big Ten) into an attack by a rich guy against the poor homeless people at UMD is just preposterously weak sauce. If Roy Williams had said this, you'd be applauding it ceaselessly and bemoaning the loss of ACC tradition.

Didn't learn how to use the ignore function yet? Send me a PM and I'll walk you through it. Or just stop thinking you know me and can speak for me. Either way. I write what I think. You can write what you think. I think it's incredibly dumb for a rich guy from a school with money up to its ears to criticize schools that don't have money (regardless of how they got that way) for making decisions motivated by financial reasons. The school's athletic department is rightfully more concerned with its financial health than with protecting Coach K's outdated nonsense about "tradition." If you feel differently, fine, you can say that. And if you can find a post of mine that suggests I'd say differently if it was Roy, feel free to repost it.

Otherwise, don't speak for me. Post your own thoughts. You know, whining incessantly about every little call, badmouthing your favorite team's players, and crying about inevitable doomsday scenarios for that team every time it runs up against the slightest bit of adversity. That seems to be more in your wheelhouse.

Great substantive answer. Not surprising because you didn't have much of a case to begin with. In any event, I'm sure you are indeed big on the ignore button, so use it if you want; I don't want to upset you any further as you spew out nonsense like the above and expect not to be challenged. As for me ignoring you, why? You provide some pretty serious amusement.

It was exactly as substantive as your non-response to my point warranted. My point stands, you did nothing to counter it.As far as the ignoring thing goes: generally we talk about basketball here, not other posters. But you've talked about me and what I might think or do about something twice on this page alone (both times wrongly I might add), in addition to the many other times you've done it previously in the thread. I just thought the ignore function might help you to stay on topic, since clearly you can't control yourself.

And you can keep telling yourself and everyone else that I provide you with nothing but "amusement" all you want. Your sad little obsession with talking about me and characterizing my thoughts pretty clearly shows otherwise.

 

[Tau837]

Let's say State wins out and Duke beats UNC, meaning State is the #4 seed and UNC is the #5 seed. I'd like to see a State-UNC rubber match, and I don't expect Leslie to be completely checked out if it happens, as he was at UNC. I'd expect a win for State in that scenario. Which would set up a presumed rematch with Miami on Saturday, but with Lorenzo Brown this time. And then potentially either a rubber match with Duke or a chance for revenge against UVA in the final. To me, that is a great scenario for State, and I hope it happens.

 

[Aerial Assault]

State needs to win out, and needs Duke to beat UNC. That's about their best shot at a bye.

Yes, that makes complete sense based on the who-beat-who tiebreakers. Of course, the only advantage to getting the 4th slot is the extra day off before playing (likely), the 5 seed. I think this year it will be a big advantage to finish in the top 3.

It's really a double advantage. The 4 seed is fresh, having not played on Thursday, and the 5 seed is not fresh, having played a game within the previous 24 hours or so.

That's what I was getting at, but I understand his point that this year, the teams are so close that it may not matter. Of course, that could also be twisted into an argument that any advantage, such as the increased rest of the four/fatigue of the five, will be significant.

 

[NMYMND]

Let's say State wins out and Duke beats UNC, meaning State is the #4 seed and UNC is the #5 seed. I'd like to see a State-UNC rubber match, and I don't expect Leslie to be completely checked out if it happens, as he was at UNC. I'd expect a win for State in that scenario. Which would set up a presumed rematch with Miami on Saturday, but with Lorenzo Brown this time. And then potentially either a rubber match with Duke or a chance for revenge against UVA in the final. To me, that is a great scenario for State, and I hope it happens.

Last night, I was cheering for Duke in order for UVa to fall behind UNC in the win-loss column. Now I think I have to go for for Miami to beat Duke and for UVa and UNC to win out, creating a Saturday bracket (if higher seeds win): Miami vs. Duke/NC State winnerUVa vs. UNC

 

[oso diablo]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

 

[RCon]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

Uh, no. He's a doush, no two ways about it. He's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

 

[simey]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

Uh, no. He's a doush, no two ways about it. He's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

He's a guy that showed the true meaning of friendship during Valvano's last six months of life, and he continues to be one of the leaders of The V Foundation. He's the guy that built the the Emily Krzyzewski Center in Durham, which is a community center for economically disadvantaged kids in the area. He is one of the biggest fundraisers for the Children's Hospital at Duke, and is the chairman of Duke's Children's Miracle Network. That lapel pin he wears on his jacket every game was given to him by a family he had befriended, and whose son, Rory, died of brain tumor at age 7. The pin is a picture of Rory with a baseball hat on, and it says Rory's name, and the name of his foundation. K says the pin puts life in perspective for him. It's fine if you don't like K as a coach, but as a person he is not a #####.

 

[The Commish]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

Uh, no. He's a doush, no two ways about it. He's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

Yeah....I'm not sure I'd go this far...he's a VERY poor loser though. No question about it. So is Roy.

 

[RCon]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

Uh, no. He's a doush, no two ways about it. He's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

He's a guy that showed the true meaning of friendship during Valvano's last six months of life, and he continues to be one of the leaders of The V Foundation. He's the guy that built the the Emily Krzyzewski Center in Durham, which is a community center for economically disadvantaged kids in the area. He is one of the biggest fundraisers for the Children's Hospital at Duke, and is the chairman of Duke's Children's Miracle Network. That lapel pin he wears on his jacket every game was given to him by a family he had befriended, and whose son, Rory, died of brain tumor at age 7. The pin is a picture of Rory with a baseball hat on, and it says Rory's name, and the name of his foundation. K says the pin puts life in perspective for him. It's fine if you don't like K as a coach, but as a person he is not a #####.

None of that contradicts this: he's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

 

[RCon]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

Uh, no. He's a doush, no two ways about it. He's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

Yeah....I'm not sure I'd go this far...he's a VERY poor loser though. No question about it. So is Roy.

He's a very poor winner!

 

[simey]

None of that contradicts this: he's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

I just thought I'd state some nice facts about the guy you say is a world class #####. I don't agree with your above statement about K, but you have a right to your own opinion.

 

[sporthenry]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

Uh, no. He's a doush, no two ways about it. He's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

He's a guy that showed the true meaning of friendship during Valvano's last six months of life, and he continues to be one of the leaders of The V Foundation. He's the guy that built the the Emily Krzyzewski Center in Durham, which is a community center for economically disadvantaged kids in the area. He is one of the biggest fundraisers for the Children's Hospital at Duke, and is the chairman of Duke's Children's Miracle Network. That lapel pin he wears on his jacket every game was given to him by a family he had befriended, and whose son, Rory, died of brain tumor at age 7. The pin is a picture of Rory with a baseball hat on, and it says Rory's name, and the name of his foundation. K says the pin puts life in perspective for him. It's fine if you don't like K as a coach, but as a person he is not a #####.

Not much else needs to be said. I guess some people can't distinguish between the coach and the guy. Some people's hate flows that much or something. K is an ### on the court. I'd probably hate his antics if I wasn't a fan much like people always hate the passionate guys like that. But off the court, I'm not sure how he is anything but a great guy. I know most people hate Duke b/c between the media and themselves, they come off as trying to be better than others. There are times when Duke acts smug, but on the whole, I think their intentions are in the right place.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I'm not a K hater, in case I haven't made that clear 80 million times before. He's in the pantheon of all-time greats. But he's also a human being, which means he makes mistakes. Add to that an amazing amount of power/voice and it leads to his words/actions carrying more weight than others'. Good Lord, if I had the power he does, I'd talk myself into jail in about a year.

 

[Aerial Assault]

I'm not a K hater, in case I haven't made that clear 80 million times before. He's in the pantheon of all-time greats. But he's also a human being, which means he makes mistakes. Add to that an amazing amount of power/voice and it leads to his words/actions carrying more weight than others'. Good Lord, if I had the power he does, I'd talk myself into jail in about a year.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I know most people hate Duke b/c between the media and themselves, they come off as trying to be better than others. There are times when Duke acts smug, but on the whole, I think their intentions are in the right place.

I think UNC is more smug than Duke.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Coach K complaining about officiating, either before, during, or after a game, is about the worst hypocrisy there is. Face it, the guy's just generally a #####. Great recruiter, good coach, world class #####.

i assume ##### = leader

Uh, no. He's a doush, no two ways about it. He's the guy at work who has an excuse for everything, anything bad is always someone else's fault, and would throw you under a bus at every chance.

He's a guy that showed the true meaning of friendship during Valvano's last six months of life, and he continues to be one of the leaders of The V Foundation. He's the guy that built the the Emily Krzyzewski Center in Durham, which is a community center for economically disadvantaged kids in the area. He is one of the biggest fundraisers for the Children's Hospital at Duke, and is the chairman of Duke's Children's Miracle Network. That lapel pin he wears on his jacket every game was given to him by a family he had befriended, and whose son, Rory, died of brain tumor at age 7. The pin is a picture of Rory with a baseball hat on, and it says Rory's name, and the name of his foundation. K says the pin puts life in perspective for him. It's fine if you don't like K as a coach, but as a person he is not a #####.

Not much else needs to be said. I guess some people can't distinguish between the coach and the guy. Some people's hate flows that much or something. K is an ### on the court. I'd probably hate his antics if I wasn't a fan much like people always hate the passionate guys like that. But off the court, I'm not sure how he is anything but a great guy. I know most people hate Duke b/c between the media and themselves, they come off as trying to be better than others. There are times when Duke acts smug, but on the whole, I think their intentions are in the right place.

You don't get a pass for acting like an ####### at your job, as if that's not the real you or something. Not that I think he's an #######, generally speaking. Just saying. "It's his job" is not an excuse for bad behavior. It's not an excuse for Roy being rude to UNC fans on the call-in show, or asking security to kick out an opposing fan for no good reason, among other things. And it's not an excuse for K to act like a bitter, pompous sore loser after the Maryland game, or to get in a UVa fan's face and scream at him, among other things.