2015 Oakland Raiders Thread (2 Viewers)

[32 Counter Pass]

Malcom Smith, former Super bowl MVP, fills a need at LB. Hopefully he works out better than the previous Super bowl MVPs they signed in the past (Larry Brown and Desmond Howard).

Peter King's write up on Smith:

MALCOLM SMITH Seattle (Age 26)

Former Super Bowl MVP got caught behind the talent in the Seahawks’ linebacking corps. Good athlete who has developed his instincts. Can play any linebacker spot. Best fit:Raiders. Former Seattle and USC positions coach Ken Norton Jr. is the new coordinator in Oakland, which needs a middle linebacker.

 

[Chaka]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.

I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

 

[Chaka]

Smith is a decent signing.

There hasn't been a ton of FA movement yet but it seems that the Jags are rumored to be the destination for...well...everyone.

 

[Chaka]

Dan Williams scheduled for a visit. He'll be 28 in June. Not a bad catch if they sign him. Gresham also scheduled to visit.

Apparently the Raiders are about to sign Lee Smith a 27 year old road grader TE with hands of stone from Buffalo (according to Schefter).

I do consider TE a position of need, despite Rivera's potential I think they could use some help.

 

[RBM]

Knighton supposedly crossed the Raiders off his list after an insulting offer.

Per ESPN show that just ended

 

[Chaka]

Knighton says Oakland (and Denver) are off his list.

Knighton told ESPN that the Raiders made a proposal, but the deal was “not close to what I was looking for.” Knighton indicated to Anderson that there were “a few other teams” he was considering.

 

[Chaka]

Knighton supposedly crossed the Raiders off his list after an insulting offer.

Per ESPN show that just ended

Just because he was insulted doesn't mean it was an insulting offer. It's possible that he thinks a little too highly of his value.

 

[Chaka]

Florio says the Raiders are "making a run" at DeMarco Murray

I think this is a situation where I think they would be making a mistake to overspend just to make a 'splash' signing.

 

[ICON211]

Florio says the Raiders are "making a run" at DeMarco Murray

I think this is a situation where I think they would be making a mistake to overspend just to make a 'splash' signing.

The guys they should have overspent on are gone already. Terrible job with free agency so far again.

 

[silentmark]

Florio says the Raiders are "making a run" at DeMarco Murray

I think this is a situation where I think they would be making a mistake to overspend just to make a 'splash' signing.

It is the same old same old with this team. I think Al isn't dead and he faked the whole thing ...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

only people going to Oakland in free agency are vets that are either cashing in one last time or someone that nobody else wants....thats the sad reality...anyone worth a damn wants to play for a contender

standing by this...i wish i was wrong but so far its not looking good

 

[32 Counter Pass]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.

I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR?

Barely above 10 y/r and 4, count em, 4 Tds last year. Sounds like a real upgrade.

 

[Casting Couch]

You want nothing, and I mean NOTHING to do with Michael Crabtree.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Florio says the Raiders are "making a run" at DeMarco Murray

I think this is a situation where I think they would be making a mistake to overspend just to make a 'splash' signing.

I am beginning to suspect a lot of this stuff is being floated by agents to stir up demand. I expect every player that doesn't sign a big contract in the next 24 hrs will be linked to the Raiders due to their massive cap surplus. IIRC they still have a 2 year window to spend the required minimum amount under the CBA.

 

[massraider]

Florio says the Raiders are "making a run" at DeMarco Murray

I think this is a situation where I think they would be making a mistake to overspend just to make a 'splash' signing.

I am beginning to suspect a lot of this stuff is being floated by agents to stir up demand.

Sure. And then the Raiders dropped the bvall by not signing the guy they weren't in on in the first place.

 

[massraider]

Malcolm Smith is hopefully a good get. Not sure anyone saw enough to say otherwise, but Norton knows him so, we'll see. Not sure I buy the MLB talk. Lofton as a 2 down MLB makes sense, he won't be getting a lot of money. Sio had hip surgery, hope is that he is back for TC, but not a guarantee. Malcolm as insurance for hjim, and as a nickel LB (with Mack at rush end) seems to make sense to me. Either way, it seems like Burris won't be seeing the field much, which is a big, big win. He's a terrible LB, he really is.

I don't know anything about Lee Smith, unless it's the Hall of Fame baseball pitcher. We had no blocking tight end, so that's a hole filled. I'd still like Gresham. We had 1 tight end, we need three. Short story, Gresham is better than at least two of our TEs.

The Knighton thing is interesting. He can't get a top offer from the two teams that know him best. Really surprising.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Florio says the Raiders are "making a run" at DeMarco Murray

I think this is a situation where I think they would be making a mistake to overspend just to make a 'splash' signing.

I am beginning to suspect a lot of this stuff is being floated by agents to stir up demand. I expect every player that doesn't sign a big contract in the next 24 hrs will be linked to the Raiders due to their massive cap surplus. IIRC they still have a 2 year window to spend the required minimum amount under the CBA.

In that 2 years can RM make new deals with his draft picks. Have heard some say no and some say yes

 

[Donnybrook]

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl

#Raiders agreed to a contract with Roy Helu, source said.

 

[ICON211]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

 

[massraider]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

I'm not gonna complain about Smith's deal, till we see what he is really getting. If he has a 5 mill salary in year three, then, whatever.

Helu as a 3rd down back fills a hole. Still need another back.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

I would have rather over spent for Suh and McCourty. I honestly don't think the Raiders were ever in the running for Suh due to team situation and state tax laws, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. And the Pats re-signed McCourty. Soooooooooo, who else you have in mind to over spend?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

I'm not gonna complain about Smith's deal, till we see what he is really getting. If he has a 5 mill salary in year three, then, whatever.

Helu as a 3rd down back fills a hole. Still need another back.

This is a nice signing. Could be a nice fantasy sleeper...

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Wheeler just became available. Always liked his effort.

 

[massraider]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

I would have rather over spent for Suh and McCourty. I honestly don't think the Raiders were ever in the running for Suh due to team situation and state tax laws, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. And the Pats re-signed McCourty. Soooooooooo, who else you have in mind to over spend?

Yeah.

Now, if someone signs Knighton for 6 mill a year, there';s no way to spin that. Because he actually was interested.

 

[ICON211]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

I would have rather over spent for Suh and McCourty. I honestly don't think the Raiders were ever in the running for Suh due to team situation and state tax laws, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. And the Pats re-signed McCourty. Soooooooooo, who else you have in mind to over spend?

I think Suh was chasing the money, but hey maybe not. To answer the question:

McPhee

Hughes

Maxwell

Maclin

Iupati

Graham

Knighton

Odrick

To name a few. And I would not have cut Branch to not have to pay him a $1 million roster bonus. Teams can sign good players without ending up in cap hell. What good is $70 million in cap space if you don't use it? I'm not saying sign everyone, but this year there were many good players available. To not end up with a few of the really good ones with that cap space is inexcusable.

 

[massraider]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 5m5 minutes ago
Top FA CBs left: Tramon Williams Antonio Cromartie Chris Culliver Perrish Cox Patrick Robinson Jimmy Wilson Rashean Mathis Brandon Browner

 

[Chaka]

Heul is a nice signing. Good hands and can carry the load, for a little while, if necessary.

 

[Hankmoody]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

Yes, absolutely. This is like the kid at the spelling bee going silent when asked to spell RIJSTTAFEL. Do something. Anything. Overpay and front-load it so you can dump them in a year or two if they don't pan out.

.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Dig the Helu signing a lot

 

[massraider]

Regarding DeMarco, I would like it, and am fine giving him cash up front, if we can get out in two years, but I don't think it's a must-have.

We do need another tailback, a guy to take 15+ carries, not sure it needs to be the guy that was rode hard last year. Latavius by himself is not a sure thing.

 

[Chaka]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR?

Barely above 10 y/r and 4, count em, 4 Tds last year. Sounds like a real upgrade.

I'm sorry I forgot about the glut of WRs on the Raiders roster who have put up 1,100 yards and 9 TDs in a season, with mediocre QBs, and are in their prime (27 years old).His talent far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster.

 

[massraider]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR?

Barely above 10 y/r and 4, count em, 4 Tds last year. Sounds like a real upgrade.

I'm sorry I forgot about the glut of WRs on the Raiders roster who have put up 1,100 yards and 9 TDs in a season, with mediocre QBs, and are in their prime (27 years old).His talent far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster.

Yeah, he is probably an improvement over someone. So is Bowe and Harvin.

 

[massraider]

I pray that this wacky Rams/Eagles trade results in Mariota going before us. Can only help us.

I really wanna see some defensive players arriving here soon.

I have an easier time believing that offensive rookies can step right in and contribute than defensive rookies, especially on the D-line.

 

[raidergil]

Regarding DeMarco, I would like it, and am fine giving him cash up front, if we can get out in two years, but I don't think it's a must-have.

We do need another tailback, a guy to take 15+ carries, not sure it needs to be the guy that was rode hard last year. Latavius by himself is not a sure thing.I

I would rather see L Murray given chance to be main guy & now we have Helu to be a 3rd down guy. I love D Murray's talent but he had around 440 touches last yr & that was behind one of best lines in league. Don't spend to spend. Get Gresham or Cameron who will really help Carr. Sign D Williams or try to un-offend Knighton. Resign McFadden as L Murray's backup - RB mkt is soft there will be guys available. RB is not the place to overspend. Biggest need is WR and ain't it a kick in the a** that Crabtree seems to be best available?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Anyone penciling Helu in as the 3rd down RB needs to know that while he graded out as the Skins best pass protector at RB, that was just a tallest midget situation. Not a good pass blocker. Willing, but not very good.

I wish him luck with you guys and I think you got him for a fair price.

 

[massraider]

Even with Latavius and Helu in those roles, you need another back. I feel you about the touches he had last year, but if he has two good/decent seasons, it's worth it.

Overspending on DeMarco is not the smart move to make, I agree. However, this team can afford it.

Jordan Cameron not signing anywhere tells me everything I need to know about the fear teams have about the concussions. I'll take Gresham all day, I said so in last years thread. I'd be excited about Cameron, who wouldn't? But we'd be holding our breath every time he got hit.

On the other hand, this team can afford the money to take the risk.

 

[massraider]

Anyone penciling Helu in as the 3rd down RB needs to know that while he graded out as the Skins best pass protector at RB, that was just a tallest midget situation. Not a good pass blocker. Willing, but not very good.

I wish him luck with you guys and I think you got him for a fair price.

I hope he gets used the way you guys did, a poor man's Vereen.

 

[massraider]

Also, if you are looking for splash value (which I am not), doesn't get much splashier than DeMarco.

Tough to say this when everyone looks great, but history tells us a lot of these splashes are going to be horrible mistakes. Everyone would have been doing backflips if we had gotten Michael Johnson last year, and that would have been a terrible move.

 

[massraider]

Christopher Hansen ‏@ChrisHansenNFL 7m7 minutes ago
Helu caught 42 of 44 targets last year. 95.5% was 2nd best in the league.

 

[raidergil]

Also, if you are looking for splash value (which I am not), doesn't get much splashier than DeMarco.

Tough to say this when everyone looks great, but history tells us a lot of these splashes are going to be horrible mistakes. Everyone would have been doing backflips if we had gotten Michael Johnson last year, and that would have been a terrible move.

I don't want splashes anymore - Al did that for too long. However, this year seemed like strange yr where a player like Suh was available in prime. I live in WNY so a Bills fan too - they had to overpay for Mario Williams but it also a PR move to show they could bring prime players to Buff. That's what Oak needs now. I'd much rather overpay & make a splash with Suh than D Murray. We've had to fill out roster with older vets who came for the $, now we need to pull in a prime player to wake up rest of league.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR?

Barely above 10 y/r and 4, count em, 4 Tds last year. Sounds like a real upgrade.

I'm sorry I forgot about the glut of WRs on the Raiders roster who have put up 1,100 yards and 9 TDs in a season, with mediocre QBs, and are in their prime (27 years old).His talent far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster.

Yeah, he is probably an improvement over someone. So is Bowe and Harvin.

Mere shells of their former selfs.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

Yes, absolutely. This is like the kid at the spelling bee going silent when asked to spell RIJSTTAFEL. Do something. Anything. Overpay and front-load it so you can dump them in a year or two if they don't pan out.

.

I think Bill Polian said the Raiders are cap rich and cash poor, so that may be another reason they couldn't match the contract. Dunno. I am disappointed but it is water under da bridge now.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

I would have rather over spent for Suh and McCourty. I honestly don't think the Raiders were ever in the running for Suh due to team situation and state tax laws, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. And the Pats re-signed McCourty. Soooooooooo, who else you have in mind to over spend?

I think Suh was chasing the money, but hey maybe not. To answer the question:

McPhee

Hughes

Maxwell

Maclin

Iupati

Graham

Knighton

Odrick

To name a few. And I would not have cut Branch to not have to pay him a $1 million roster bonus. Teams can sign good players without ending up in cap hell. What good is $70 million in cap space if you don't use it? I'm not saying sign everyone, but this year there were many good players available. To not end up with a few of the really good ones with that cap space is inexcusable.

I felt the same way after the Suh deal was announced, but I do not think the Raiders were ever a serious contender for his services, honestly. BTW, Maclin and Hughes re-signed with their old teams and Graham was not a free agent.

I agree about not making a run at Maxwell. Maybe they think he is a product of the system? Remember how we all lost our minds when Nnamdi signed with the Eagles?

Iupati would have been newsworthy, but how much better would that have made us? They still have a shot at Knighton although I do not think he is a difference maker. Strange that the two teams that knew him best didn't make "competitive" bids. Maybe he has overestimated his value? Odrick isn't a done deal yet, unless I missed it, but he would be a nice addition.

 

[ICON211]

I am disappointed we didn't get Suh or McCourty, but at least they aren't overpaying for players. DLine is a huge need but overpay someone with the nickname pos roast is only going to put us back in cap hell. Hell if Knighton was really all that JDR would have pushed to sign him. Spend wisely. There are still players out there that will us better.

Would you rather "overspend" on a couple really good players or field the team they are putting out on the field? They did overspend on a blocking TE with hands of stone so there's that I guess.

I would have rather over spent for Suh and McCourty. I honestly don't think the Raiders were ever in the running for Suh due to team situation and state tax laws, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. And the Pats re-signed McCourty. Soooooooooo, who else you have in mind to over spend?

I think Suh was chasing the money, but hey maybe not. To answer the question:

McPhee

Hughes

Maxwell

Maclin

Iupati

Graham

Knighton

Odrick

To name a few. And I would not have cut Branch to not have to pay him a $1 million roster bonus. Teams can sign good players without ending up in cap hell. What good is $70 million in cap space if you don't use it? I'm not saying sign everyone, but this year there were many good players available. To not end up with a few of the really good ones with that cap space is inexcusable.

I felt the same way after the Suh deal was announced, but I do not think the Raiders were ever a serious contender for his services, honestly. BTW, Maclin and Hughes re-signed with their old teams and Graham was not a free agent.

I agree about not making a run at Maxwell. Maybe they think he is a product of the system? Remember how we all lost our minds when Nnamdi signed with the Eagles?

Iupati would have been newsworthy, but how much better would that have made us? They still have a shot at Knighton although I do not think he is a difference maker. Strange that the two teams that knew him best didn't make "competitive" bids. Maybe he has overestimated his value? Odrick isn't a done deal yet, unless I missed it, but he would be a nice addition.

Maclin signed with KC.Hughes and Graham re-signed but during the period when the Raiders were allowed to talk to them I believe.

 

[Chaka]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR?

Barely above 10 y/r and 4, count em, 4 Tds last year. Sounds like a real upgrade.

I'm sorry I forgot about the glut of WRs on the Raiders roster who have put up 1,100 yards and 9 TDs in a season, with mediocre QBs, and are in their prime (27 years old).His talent far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster.

Yeah, he is probably an improvement over someone. So is Bowe and Harvin.

Mere shells of their former selfs.

Yeah I still like Harvin's ability but it seems like no one has been able to figure out how to properly utilize him for years. Not sure the Musgrave and Co are really the guys to figure him out. And he has always seemed more like utility weapon than a featured WR. Still the explosiveness he has shown is tempting even if it shows up rarely. Bowe has looked like he has been getting slower and slower the past few years. But I guess WRs have never really been featured in Andy Reid's offense so maybe he could still bring it in the right situation and he has the best pedigree of the bunch even if he is now on the wrong side of 30.All three of them have some level of "head case" factor to them, it's like playing Russian roulette with three bullets.

 

[RaiderBones]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR?

Barely above 10 y/r and 4, count em, 4 Tds last year. Sounds like a real upgrade.

I'm sorry I forgot about the glut of WRs on the Raiders roster who have put up 1,100 yards and 9 TDs in a season, with mediocre QBs, and are in their prime (27 years old).His talent far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster.

Yeah, he is probably an improvement over someone. So is Bowe and Harvin.

Mere shells of their former selfs.

Yeah I still like Harvin's ability but it seems like no one has been able to figure out how to properly utilize him for years. Not sure the Musgrave and Co are really the guys to figure him out. And he has always seemed more like utility weapon than a featured WR. Still the explosiveness he has shown is tempting even if it shows up rarely. Bowe has looked like he has been getting slower and slower the past few years. But I guess WRs have never really been featured in Andy Reid's offense so maybe he could still bring it in the right situation and he has the best pedigree of the bunch even if he is now on the wrong side of 30.All three of them have some level of "head case" factor to them, it's like playing Russian roulette with three bullets.

Harvin had his best year under Musgrave, while Musgrave was the Minnesota offensive coordinator.

 

[Chaka]

\Crabtree is not going to elevate Carr's. They already have similar type of players on the roster in Jones and Streater.

I fail to see that. Crabtree seems to have a bad attitude, questionable work ethic and you get the feeling that he is a Moss-esque "Play when I want to play" guy but he has far more talent than Jones and Streater.I question whether he will ever get right enough in the head to put it all together but if he does his natural ability far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster right now.

We can disagree on on Crabtree's talent level, but how does having a potential malcontent at WR help Carr's development?

I guess in the same way that having a legitimate #1 WR would hurt his development.

Crabtree a legitimate #1 WR?

Barely above 10 y/r and 4, count em, 4 Tds last year. Sounds like a real upgrade.

I'm sorry I forgot about the glut of WRs on the Raiders roster who have put up 1,100 yards and 9 TDs in a season, with mediocre QBs, and are in their prime (27 years old).His talent far outstrips anything on the Raiders roster.

Yeah, he is probably an improvement over someone. So is Bowe and Harvin.

Mere shells of their former selfs.

Yeah I still like Harvin's ability but it seems like no one has been able to figure out how to properly utilize him for years. Not sure the Musgrave and Co are really the guys to figure him out. And he has always seemed more like utility weapon than a featured WR. Still the explosiveness he has shown is tempting even if it shows up rarely. Bowe has looked like he has been getting slower and slower the past few years. But I guess WRs have never really been featured in Andy Reid's offense so maybe he could still bring it in the right situation and he has the best pedigree of the bunch even if he is now on the wrong side of 30.All three of them have some level of "head case" factor to them, it's like playing Russian roulette with three bullets.

Harvin had his best year under Musgrave, while Musgrave was the Minnesota offensive coordinator.

I guess it could happen again but I think that could have also have been a case of broken clock syndrome.

 

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Even with Latavius and Helu in those roles, you need another back. I feel you about the touches he had last year, but if he has two good/decent seasons, it's worth it.

Overspending on DeMarco is not the smart move to make, I agree. However, this team can afford it.

Jordan Cameron not signing anywhere tells me everything I need to know about the fear teams have about the concussions. I'll take Gresham all day, I said so in last years thread. I'd be excited about Cameron, who wouldn't? But we'd be holding our breath every time he got hit.

On the other hand, this team can afford the money to take the risk.

What about Forsett ?

Why not throw the guy a front loaded contract for a couple of years to see what Latavius really brings to the table ?

 

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No need to sign Crabtree if the plan is to draft one of the top WRs with pick 4.

Maclin would have been nice.

Harvin is not the answer.

DeMarco is not the answer.

Solidifying the TE spot with Gresham would be nice. He is not great but is decent. This team has plenty of need for decent players.

Not sure why the D has not be further addressed. CB and Dline are absolute musts in FA. Right now.