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2015 Oakland Raiders Thread (1 Viewer)

That was a hairy win. And even though I wish it had been more decisive, I'm happy. On the road, going east, in the rain, that was ripe for a loss. \

Amerson played lights out, but coverage is so lacking, this team needs a top cornerback in the worst way. The pass rush is there, and would really benefit from better coverage (I know, duh).

I thought there was too much passing early, I would have liked to see Latavius get going more. The receivers let Carr down more than once, he played well, aside from the botched snaps and such. Williams and Ellis had really good games.

 
Just another positive step in the process. The Raiders have now won two road games and have 5 wins for season. When is the last time those two things have happened in the same season?

Agree with the post about Amerson. Edwards is also flashing ability.

 
Nice win on the road in bad conditions.

Focus on corners, safety and o-line in draft and free agency (loads of cap space. now is the year to pay big bucks for a couple of key players)

I love the pieces in play in the skill positions on the offensive side of the ball.

Enjoying the competitiveness this year but next year it should get turned up a notch.

 
Don't we have 3 road wins? 2 east coast 1pm games and the SD game(May as well have benn a home game)

Tough win. Good to see diff receivers stepping up each week

 
A win is a win. The Raiders of recent years would have absolutely pissed this game away somehow. There are glaring holes and I think playoff talk is silly this year, but it's starting to look more and more like next season could be a breakout one. The pressure is really on Reggie now to give Del Rio the right tools to compete.

 
Really happy with the win. Got bailed out by that phantom defensive holding call on 4th and 8 that should have been the ball game. But Carr got a reprieve and made it count on that long TD pass to Seth. And the Titans seemed to not want to take a gimme victory by throwing that errant INT to Allen. Sloppy football but a good win.

KC sets up as a do or die playoff game next week. Winner has a real shot at the playoffs and the loser is all but out. Love those type of games and especially with the long standing KC-OAK rivalry.

 
Autumn Wind said:
A win is a win. The Raiders of recent years would have absolutely pissed this game away somehow. There are glaring holes and I think playoff talk is silly this year, but it's starting to look more and more like next season could be a breakout one. The pressure is really on Reggie now to give Del Rio the right tools to compete.
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Playoff talk is silly for this year but this season is a great lesson for a young team. Trying to win meaningful games while banged up this year will pay off next season. The Raiders have to get into the playoffs next season. Anything less is a disappointment. This team is just a few players away.

 
Not only did they win on the road, but they came back late in the 4th quarter to do it. Both, very positive signs for the future.

The more I watch Murray the less certain I think he is the solution at RB. There are times I see him completely misread holes, and other times he gets tackled too easily. It looks to me like he is leaving a lot of yards on the field. I expect the team to bring in competition in the off season either thru the draft or FA. I think L. Miller would be a great fit, but Forte is another option.

 
I'll second your L Miller thought, but Forte is ancient in RB years. pass.

In reality good RB's are available every year deep into the draft. I too am not sold on Murray as anything more than a 2 down back.

 
I don't think playoff talk is silly this year. AFC is a mess. Everyone is vulnerable. Everyone has injuries. We're as healthy as anyone.

However, we have a tougher schedule than KC, but play them twice. Just looking at the schedule, we could sweep KC, and still lose out because we play Denver and Green Bay. We could be in a very different spot if we had taken care of business with the Bears and Lions. Those two games probably doomed the season, from a playoff standpoint. But man, you look at teams in front of us, for the wild card, and there's no one there that scares you. Jets....Texans.....Steelers......Colts. We are definitely still in this, even if it's just because the rest of the conference is so weak.

I'm hoping for a wild card berth, not because we are a playoff team, but I definitely believe that playoff experience counts. I've heard too many NFL people say it for me to not believe in it. A team this young, getting experience with road playoff conditions, even if it's a shellacking in New England, is invaluable. Give the youngsters a taste of the intensity, media scrutiny, the whole thing.

THe offense is very up and down. What is encouraging is that it seems like Carr and Cooper are much better than most other players on the field. That may seem like hyperbole, and it probably is, but Cooper stinks like a perennial Pro Bowler. You know what I love about Cooper? I mean, really love? His demeanor on the field. He makes an amazing play, and doesn't dance, point, or anything. He's impassive. Gets up, flips the ball, jogs back towards the huddle without saying a word. Message to the defense: "I expected to do that. I'm not celebrating, because this is what I do. Next." He's Black Death. I really think we are going to see him just demoralize CBs sometimes, just getting into their head without saying a word.

Carr is a lot like Cooper from what I have seen. Flashes, and then makes a young mistake. Cooper has his drops this year. Carr has his boneheaded plays. But the talent is clear. If Carr fails, it won't be because he doesn't have the talent, or the dedication. His makeup, his clutch gene? Yet to be seen. What I keep thinking with Carr is that I think he's going to be best in a rhythm offense, with structure. I think the same about Teddy. Carr is so clearly a football lifer/coach's son-type, that I think he loves the coaching, cerebral part of the game. The idea of a Bill Walsh coaching him makes me completely aroused. I don't want a Bruce Arians coaching him, I don't think that's his game. West Coast offense, and some hurry-up. Quick passing is the NFL bread and butter right now, and has been for a long time.

We really need to give some props to the team for some roster moves that were pretty unheralded.

JaMarcus Webb: Everyone pretty much said, "meh", right? Not exciting. I believe a marked majority of the running games success has NOT been behind Penn and Gabe, but behind Webb and Howard. Theat's really surprising.

David Amerson: Sunday was not his first good game. Finding a corner on the free agent market is really, really tough.

Michael Crabtree: Crabtree was as good a signing as Hudson, and I will always root for unpopular signings and draft picks. For example:

Mario Edwards: It's a long time before you can call a D-lineman a good draft pick or not. Some are bad for years, and a light goes on. But so far, so good with Edwards. At this moment, I would take him over the other DEs that I wanted on draft day, like Diggi and Preston Smith, and that's all you can ask for at this time. He's strong, and quick.

Lofton was a miss, Malcolm Smith a strong hit. Walford looks like a keeper. Dan Williams has been solid. He and Jelly have really changed the way people attack us.

Ball and Heeney are both interesting, at the least. The fact that the team was talking about Ball returning so much makes me really interested.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
I'll second your L Miller thought, but Forte is ancient in RB years. pass.

In reality good RB's are available every year deep into the draft. I too am not sold on Murray as anything more than a 2 down back.
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Yes, I think another true tailback is a must. I have zero interest in Lamar Miller I would take Starks or Ivory over him.

I'm not sure Reece has a roster spot next year. I think it'll come down to he and Helu. Olawale can handle the full back stuff. I'd rather have another tailback, and kjeep Taiwan Jones in his current role.

 
I do not get multiple people saying playoff talk is silly. How exactly is it silly when they are one game out? I also agree that playoff experience does matter and agree it would be better to make the playoffs and get destroyed than be sitting home on wildcard weekend.

 
ICON211 said:
I do not get multiple people saying playoff talk is silly. How exactly is it silly when they are one game out? I also agree that playoff experience does matter and agree it would be better to make the playoffs and get destroyed than be sitting home on wildcard weekend.
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its because they dont believe brother ...they just dont believe

YA GOTTA BELIEVE

 
ICON211 said:
I do not get multiple people saying playoff talk is silly. How exactly is it silly when they are one game out? I also agree that playoff experience does matter and agree it would be better to make the playoffs and get destroyed than be sitting home on wildcard weekend.
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I don't think it's silly from a mathematical standpoint, but I just think there are more immediate goals that should take precedence - such as maybe getting another win or two.

As for the benefit of getting playoff experience in a blowout, I'm not so sure that's necessarily true. Anyone remember after getting destroyed by Buffalo in the early '90s?

 
We got a tough schedule and only ourselves to blame for losses to CHI and DET. Assuming we even get to the show, it will be through the likes of Denver, Green Bay, and KC twice. Painting that scenario we will have survived a gauntlet and will be battle tested for the playoffs. Again this assuming we can almost run the table to get to the playoffs, we will be a dangerous team and the idea of being an instant out will be a far cry from how the team is perceived today.

 
Let me throw this out there: As it stands right now, what would you consider a successful 2015 Raiders season? Playoffs? Winning season? Are we there already?

Also, what was your answer to that going into the year?

 
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Autumn Wind said:
Let me throw this out there: As it stands right now, what would you consider a successful 2015 Raiders season? Playoffs? Winning season? Are we there already?

Also, what was your answer to that going into the year?
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8-8 was my answer at the beginning of the year and is my answer now. A wildcard playoff spot would just be icing on the cake.

 
I'm thrilled we have finally found our franchise QB in Carr and paired him with the best young WR prospect the Raiders have had since Tim Brown. And we are playing competitive NFL caliber football, and not the poor excuse for what we've been given to get our hopes up during the McKenzie era (prior to this year).

OTOH, with success comes expectations. As mass said up above, the conference is a hot mess, and really nobody in our playoff area code is scary. We got a shot at this, and if we can beat some of the better teams on our schedule it really sets us up for a nice playoff run. Honestly, my expectations heading into the year was for 5 wins, six if we got lucky. But that was before I saw what we the team could become. Offensively, we have explosive upside though we've been fledgling lately. And defensively we are coming along. Amerson has been a solid corner and TJ Carrie is holding his own. We still have some issues to work thru but the arrow is pointing up.

But I am greedy, so I definitely want the playoffs now. Heading into next year, I want this team to be in the AFC championship game and contending for the top prize.

 
Autumn Wind said:
Let me throw this out there: As it stands right now, what would you consider a successful 2015 Raiders season? Playoffs? Winning season? Are we there already?

Also, what was your answer to that going into the year?
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I consider major progress a successful season and as long as the team does not collapse down the stretch and remains competitive in every game we have achieved that already. I would love to make the playoffs and they are within reach, but I would not call the season a failure if they don't make it. Next season making the playoffs is a must.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
I'm thrilled we have finally found our franchise QB in Carr and paired him with the best young WR prospect the Raiders have had since Tim Brown. And we are playing competitive NFL caliber football, and not the poor excuse for what we've been given to get our hopes up during the McKenzie era (prior to this year).
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Any getting of your hopes up prior to this year is entirely your fault. Prior to this year anyone who was paying attention to what the Raiders were dealing with when McKenzie took the reins hand no reasonable expectation to be anything but a bad team. Last year's acquisitions were about nothing more than putting as many veterans with championship experience on the roster as possible to help teach the young roster what it takes to get to that level.

The weird thing for me is that I know you were paying attention yet still seem to think that McKenzie somehow should have delivered a winner sooner.

McKenzie hasn't been perfect, far from it (Dennis Allen, anyone?) but he has been doing a heck of a job building a young, talented roster.

 
Said 8-8 before the year but I have seen enough to already consider this a successful season. They are in the conversation for a playoff spot on December first? That's incredible. There is a ton of reason for optimism in Oakland and that is something that couldn't be said for over a decade.

 
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Chaka said:
Said 8-8 before the year but I have seen enough to already consider this a successful season. They are in the conversation for a playoff spot on December first? That's incredible. There is a ton of reason for optimism in Oakland and that is something that couldn't be said for over a decade.
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My thoughts exactly. I did not think the Raiders were going to the playoffs but thought they could be decent. They are decent. They are a little more than decent. Carr, Cooper, and Crabs have delivered this season. Even talk about the playoffs in December is a big step for this team.

This team is dangerous. When Carr is on, he can pile up points. The D needs attention this offseason. Most of us knew that going in that there were too many holes to fill last offseason. I believe in Reggie. He has done a good job. He got Carr. He got Cooper and Crabs for Carr. He got Mack. We have only seen the beginning of Mack.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
I'm thrilled we have finally found our franchise QB in Carr and paired him with the best young WR prospect the Raiders have had since Tim Brown. And we are playing competitive NFL caliber football, and not the poor excuse for what we've been given to get our hopes up during the McKenzie era (prior to this year).
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Wow! You are still on this? So, prior to this year Reggie hasn't done anything, right? I know it has been said to you before, but this team was a hot mess when Reggie took over. We were in cap hell, with a roster full of under performing over paid players. You can criticize his first draft but not year two. That draft netted Mack, Carr, Jackson, Ellis, McGill, Carrie and Harris. All are contributing. At least 2, maybe 3 are budding super stars. If Al could have a had a couple of drafts like that in his last decade we wouldn't have had to suffer thru double digit losing season for over a decade.

Not sure why you can't let this go. Geez.

 
Hey, Reggie has made some mistakes. It has taken a while. Other teams turn it around quicker, no denying it.

It was also about as bad as it gets when he came on board. Cleveland reminds me of Oakland then. Except we were in a worse position with salary cap and draft picks. That's amazing.

Mark stuck with him, and that was a gusty move. There may have been better choices out there for coaches, and even GMs, but it seems like this front office knows what they are doing. Free agency was especially frustrating, because the top talent was using us for leverage elsewhere, and Reggie refused to overpay for talent that maybe would have just been cashing checks. The Green Bay model sure looks a lot more attractive when you have young talent, yes? There were a lot of big name free agents that people (not just Raider fans) were saying we should have gone after, and most of them have disappointed.

I look at the Raiders cap situation, and my idea of a successful season is one that ends with people talking about the Raiders as a team on the upswing. As long as this team battles the rest of the year, and doesn't quit, which seems unlikely, free agents that want to win will want to come here. That would be a dramatic change from every previous year I can remember.

The team only has 77 mill in salaries allocated to next year. At the end of next year, they can re-sign Carr and Mack, and still have as much cap room as any other decent team. FA signings that didn't work out, like Lofton, have ZERO dead money next year. Roy Helu, zero dead cap money. Nate Allen, zero dead cap. Not saying Helu and Allen should be cut, but IF the team wanted to, it would leave no scar. We could keep them for reasonable salaries, or move on. These free agent deals are: Play well, and get paid. I really believe free agency will have a different theme this year. Plug the holes in free agency, like CB and safety, and forget about need at the draft, and take the best player.

We'll see if Josh Norman and Janoris Jenkins become available. I doubt it. Top corners rarely make it to the market. Both will probably get tagged. But if the team can add a starting corner, it makes the rest of the corners on the team look a lot better. Amerson/Hayden/Carrie, in whatever order you like, isn't bad for a 2nd-4th CB. I might be overselling them, but they all seem like players worthy of PT.

A MLB, like Wilhoite or Trevathan, a S like Rashad Johnson, and we can let the draft come to us.

We also need young players we like to continue to improve. Carr has, Mack has. We need Edwards and Walford to as well.

 
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Raiderfan32904 said:
I'm thrilled we have finally found our franchise QB in Carr and paired him with the best young WR prospect the Raiders have had since Tim Brown. And we are playing competitive NFL caliber football, and not the poor excuse for what we've been given to get our hopes up during the McKenzie era (prior to this year).
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Wow! You are still on this? So, prior to this year Reggie hasn't done anything, right? I know it has been said to you before, but this team was a hot mess when Reggie took over. We were in cap hell, with a roster full of under performing over paid players. You can criticize his first draft but not year two. That draft netted Mack, Carr, Jackson, Ellis, McGill, Carrie and Harris. All are contributing. At least 2, maybe 3 are budding super stars. If Al could have a had a couple of drafts like that in his last decade we wouldn't have had to suffer thru double digit losing season for over a decade.

Not sure why you can't let this go. Geez.
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Just for the record year two netted D.J. Hayden, Menelik Watson, Sio Moore, Tyler Wilson, Latavius Murray, Mychal Rivera etc...

Mack, Carr, Jackson was year 3 for Reggie.

 
Josh Dubow ‏@JoshDubowAP 2h2 hours ago
Per @PFF passer rating vs Amerson this year 69.2; Hayden 112.7, Thorpe 79.6; Carrie 86.4
 
krsone21 said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
I'm thrilled we have finally found our franchise QB in Carr and paired him with the best young WR prospect the Raiders have had since Tim Brown. And we are playing competitive NFL caliber football, and not the poor excuse for what we've been given to get our hopes up during the McKenzie era (prior to this year).
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Wow! You are still on this? So, prior to this year Reggie hasn't done anything, right? I know it has been said to you before, but this team was a hot mess when Reggie took over. We were in cap hell, with a roster full of under performing over paid players. You can criticize his first draft but not year two. That draft netted Mack, Carr, Jackson, Ellis, McGill, Carrie and Harris. All are contributing. At least 2, maybe 3 are budding super stars. If Al could have a had a couple of drafts like that in his last decade we wouldn't have had to suffer thru double digit losing season for over a decade.

Not sure why you can't let this go. Geez.
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Just for the record year two netted D.J. Hayden, Menelik Watson, Sio Moore, Tyler Wilson, Latavius Murray, Mychal Rivera etc...

Mack, Carr, Jackson was year 3 for Reggie.
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My how time flys! :P

 
The Titans are basically the Raiders of last year, starting a rookie QB and a coaching staff in transition. The Raiders should have won this game much more decidedly. But something happened in this game that exploited a weakness especially with Derek Carr. RAIN! The western US has been in a drought, especially California. Carr has played in Fresno, Bakersfield and Oakland the majority of his life, 3 places that haven't had much rain the past 5 years or so. Who knows the last time he's played in a downpour like he did last weekend. I'll give him a pass on the two fumbled snaps, the guy probably hasn't handled a water-logged ball in years, if ever.

Did anyone else think Cooper ran out of bounds on that long pass? Seemed like he could have kept running into the end zone, maybe it was the camera angle. On the other hand, he had an amazing catch, taking the ball away from the the defender. It wasn't an O'Dell Beckham one-hander, but it was just as impressive.

The RBs, they're really missing Jones, he's carved out a nice little niche as a COP back. I like the way Alawale runs. Definitely more powerful than Murray. I wouldn't mind seeing more touches going his way.

Defensively it was probably their best game. In my opinion I think they really struck gold when they drafted Edwards, he's another young,key piece to the future of the organization along with Carr, Cooper and Mack. The Titans ran two reverse plays to Edwards' side and he stayed home and made the tackles. I've been really impressed with the kid.

Didn't see much of Hayden, I didn't miss him, although Niko Thorpe is NOT the answer. I really hope they address the secondary in the off season A LOT! Hey! Taylor Mays made a nice play! And any of us who follow the Raiders know that Amerson has been playing very well since being claimed off the street. He (and the rest of the defense ) shined against a rookie QB on a rebuilding franchise, nice win, but hard to get too excited. This week's match up vs the Chiefs will be the true test for these 2016 Raiders.

 
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The Chiefs are really interesting this year. I know he wore out his welcome in Philly, and he's made his mistakes, but IMO Andy Reid is a legit coach. I didn't realize till looking at the schedules this year, but KC has won five in a row, after losing five in a row. Most teams in the middle, like OAK and KC, you can break their schedule down in sections: Good four games, bad three games, good five games, whatever. Most teams, aside from really bad and really good, play streaky.

They're hot now, and getting some buzz, but they aren't some scary team that matches up well with us. No reason we can't start a new streak for them. We should be able to play with them.

 
Don't the raiders have to use up all of their salary cap(from the past 4 years) next year.

As I understand it if we don't it gets divied up for the players.

How much do we have on salary cap for that time?

 
I would be very surprised if Reggie gave up a 2nd rounder for CalJo. I would not pay that price because he is going to be 31 yo next Sept and he isn't very durable.

My hunches:

• Some of the cap surplus will go towards resigning Crabtree.

• They will bring in a RB to compete with Murray either thru the draft or FA.

• They will resign Penn or find an adequate replacement. (Okung is the best option).

• They will focus most of their FA pursuits on defense, specifically the back end.

On defense they should be doing everything possible to get A. Smith focused and clean. Muhammed Wilkerson is the best DE available next year. How sweet would a front of Mack, Edwards, Wilkerson and Smith look?

The good new is this draft appears very strong at the CB position. Josh Norman is the biggest name for FA CBs. I also like Eric Weddle to stop gap the safety position if Woodson retires. Derrick Johnson is another juicy FA that could shore up the LB position, but I doubt the Chiefs would let him go.

 
I think you are correct, which is unfortunate because the players in these situations need as much help as possible.

I wonder if they are allowed to help a player through an intermediary?

 
Very disppointing performance by Carr today. The entire game swung on the overthrown pass to a wide open Crabtree, then the INT on the next play.

Carr showed very poor pocket presence and decision making today. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Very disppointing performance by Carr today. The entire game swung on the overthrown pass to a wide open Crabtree, then the INT on the next play.

Carr showed very poor pocket presence and decision making today. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes.
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Agreed, but give it time. The kid has all the potential in the world.

 
Never thinking playoffs even with a win here but would be nice to have a couple big wins. Had no problems moving on O, again some big drops hurt, but 1 gift miss by Carr changed whole game. Maybe Carr no pressing late if Jano doesn't miss FG (and XP) but dam we go from controlling game to chasing. Nice pass rush today wasted.

 
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