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2016 Green Bay Packers thread (2 Viewers)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I dont think Montgomery is built the same. same as Cobb. both seem suited for the hybrid role some. and he has excelled out of the backfield
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
No one blaming Thompson, I see. Seems to be that his true colors as a mediocre GM are coming through. Has made some terrible decisions and slowly the Packers have declined into "possibly playoffs."
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah he looked very good, until he got hurt. The speed was so evident. But then he couldn't play the next week. So obviously not a long term solution.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Why bother? You are just going to argue the obvious ones anyway like picking Datone Jones over DeAndre Hopkins. You'll justify anything.
Pipes
Footballguy
Yeah considering they pick at the bottom of the draft every year I'm fine with his drafts overall. Some of his 1st rounders leave a little to be desired but he more than makes up with it for finding mid to late round gems.
His reluctance to delve into free agency is beyond frustrating especially when up until this year they've been a piece or two away. Teams like Denver and NE do it so I wish he would too.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Couple years ago, no, he took the Packers into the season with 2 QB's. I believe Rodgers was injured that year. Great backup plan.
This year he took the Packers into the season with 2 RB's. Great plan that is turning out to be. Defense is riddled with injuries yet there is little depth. His drafts, lately, have not panned out. First trade since 2010 was Davis and now he's gone.
Thompson was always an average GM and it is now showing up. An even bolder statement... Favre made those teams what they were... not Thompson.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Could be. What are the chances though huh? The guy has played what probably 75-100 football games in his life? But just happened to have a freak injury in the only one where he played RB against an NFL defense. Weird. Just bad luck I guess. Shucks.
Pipes
Footballguy
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah I know, but it must be a nice gig to have when you get credit for a future hall of famer falling in your lap like you are some mastermind. But then get a pass for whiffing on more fastballs than Rob Deer because the fans think you walk on water. In a league of "what have you done for me lately" Thompson hasn't done a lot since about 2010.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ted doesn't need to do anything different so why would he? There is no expectation of improvement.
Pipes
Footballguy
David Bahktiari is a borderline pro bowler. Mike Daniels is an absolute beast. More recently Blake Martinez looks like a good one. Corey Linsley, JC Tretter are all solid. I think Ty Montgomery will be good too. Kind of unfair to expect mid round picks to be pro bowlers after a season or two.
Pipes
Footballguy
This isn't true. 90% of this team wasn't here in 2010 and this, when healthy, is a playoff roster. Probably not a Super Bowl roster but a playoff one none the less. I can't believe you pant's pissers have me defending Thompson. I'm ready for Wolf to take over but man you and Mario Kart have unrealistic expectations.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I'm not asking for Super Bowl after Super Bowl. What I'm asking for is some common sense GM'ing. There's a reason why New England has been great the last 15 years and the answer is not Tom Brady. Thompson never was all that great nor will he be yet some don't even point a finger his way. His lack of common sense GM'ing is maddening and it doesn't work.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Amd you love hindsight.
Just prefer someone has something of substance to back up a claim.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Didn't the Patriots lose in the playoffs like 8 times in a row?
Incidentally, is anyone trying to argue that the Packers are missing Sitton now?
Incidentally, is anyone trying to argue that the Packers are missing Sitton now?
sho nuff
Footballguy
They go in with only 2 QBs almost every year...as does nearly every team in the league. I believe Rodgers has gotten hurt sure...and still made the playoffs. How would they have been a better team by taking depth elsewhere for a 3rd string QB?
2 RBs...sure, deserves criticism. As others said it was first done to keep so many WRs because they didn't want to lose some of them. That looks bad now that Abby has been cut anyway after more injuries. How many teams have depth 4 and 5 deep at CB? His drafts lately have solidified the Oline and Dline and LB corps. And giving them more depth at WR. Not bad for drafting at the bottom of the rounds every year.
Trade was a shot in the dark and will cost them basically nothing.
Thompson was always a very good GM. Favre made what Thompson teams what they are...they were not even together all that long.
sho nuff
Footballguy
What are the chances someone gets hurt playing football? Pretty good actually. Its a physical game...guys get hurt. He played RB the week before some too and caught a bunch of balls out of the backfield.
sho nuff
Footballguy
A whole lot of it is Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
Common sense GMing? WTF does that even mean? Do what the fans what? Oof.
Common sense GMing wouldn't have drafted Aaron Rodgers.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Common sense GMing would have called that a terrible move. In fact...many now complaining likely were bashing Thompson for that one.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ok so you name a bunch of ok guys and Daniels who was drafted in 2012 and is on his second contract, third highest paid DL in the NFL when he signed it. So he's a good move. I'll give Ted that.
Bahktiari was picked 4 years ago. Tretter is ok but not a star.
Ty Montgomery has has a total of 300 receiving yards a year and a half into his career. I'd say the jury is out on him.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Every single play ever played is in hindsight. How if you can't discuss young players and you can't use hindsight, what is there to discuss? The future? The present?
Like I said, you will defend anything the Mighty Ted does. If he hits (rarely) he's a genius. If he misses, the player is too young (Randall) or shouldnt be discussed with the benefit of hindsight.
Kind of tough to talk about anything if we can't use present or past. I guess we need to just stick to projecting the future.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Pretty much. Randall stinks. Montgomery has been injured.Jury is out on Monty...but Randall is just a bum.
And the rest are just a bunch of OK guys. Classic.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Because you look at need and where teams have people ranked when a pick is made. Not 5 years after saying..well, they should have taken this guy instead of that guy and calling it some terrible decision.
I will defend it from ridiculous criticism. You can discuss Randall all you want...but its laughable that you want to say wait and see on Montgomery by halfway thru last season you had already declared Randall a bum. You can use past...you can talk about picks and players on their own merit. The...take this guy instead of that years down the road is hindsight crap.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
No common sense GMing is exactly why Thompson drafted Rodgers. Too bad he's abandoned his BPa roots for pot shots ala Mike Sherman.
Remember when Sherman got canned and all the talk was of the cupboards being bare and the lack of depth.. well where is al this depth now?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Come on dude. Nobody had Datone Jones tanked over DeAndre ####### Hopkins. Are you kidding me? It was an obvious reach and need pick. Just like Randall, a reach.
Ive discussed Randall at length. When a player leaves a nationally a game like the Favre/Starr game on Thanskgiving with a clean jersey and repeatedly refuses to make tackles and just shuffles around trying to look busy, he catches my eye. He played that game like a coward. He just did. I don't know of anyone whose ever been coached out of being a #####.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The depth is why they arent under 500 and still go on the road with lead late in the game.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
You do realize his missing the game had absolutely NOTHING to do with playing RB the week before right?!!! He has sickle cell syndrome. THAT is what caused the blood in his urine. Not any hit he took playing RB. The Packers were being cautious. So stop with your argument already.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
How can you seriously make a claim like this after yesterday's game? The fact that they were even in that game despite missing their top 3 DBs, Matthews at LB, their top 2 RBs, Cobb and Montgomery out is a testiment to the depth that TT has built on this team.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Stop already. You are just making a fool of yourself. You wanna talk depth? How do you think they remained in that game yesterday?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Belichick knew Matthews would miss this game 7 years ago, that's why he traded the pick to Thompson.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I associate Favre with Holmgren and Wolfe, and with one Championship and wasted opportunities. I associate him with **** pics, collusion with tampering when he could not blackmail the franchise after years of trying to hold it hostage with talk of retirement, and with wishing the Bears well against the Packers just out of spite. I do not associate him particularly with Thompson other than him giving Thompson no choice but to look to the future. I associate Thompson with Rodgers. That's just me though.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
You know what's weird, both Montgomery and Cobb got hurt last year on plays at wide receiver. An ankle that eventually required surgery and an early season shoulder and a late season chest injury.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
How about the rest of the guys picked in the last three years? Who are these late round gems? Because they certainly aren't Running back or corners.Jury is out on Monty...but Randall is just a bum.
And the rest are just a bunch of OK guys. Classic.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Thank you for making my point. In 2010 we won the Super Bowl. Now the team is hopefully 9-7. Great improvement.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Not me. It was a smart move at the time and still is. Ted gets plenty right. Just not enough to get this team back into serious contention.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't think the word "facts" means what you think it means. Not a single fact in that statement. Just opinions.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
That is a quick admission that Davis was an error. Few Coaches and GM's are that quick to admit to a mistake knowing they will take heat.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I have a fear. My fear is that folks like Sabertooth will create enough of a negative atmosphere that they will eventually make the GM and Coaching jobs in Green Bay less than desirable. They will chase off the good things we have. Then, far too late they will know the fate of other franchises that cater to the howling mob of fans. I remember wondering the wilderness from the late 60's to the 90's after enjoying the success of the Lombardi teams. (yes I am old) I do not want to re-experience the Bengston, Starr, Devine, Gregg, and Infante years again.
I also wonder about a fan who is so intent on trying to diminish the enjoyment of other fans in the hope that he can someday say I told you so to strangers. Saber, you have made your points, you have been heard, some agree with you, I suppose, but many do not. What is it about you that you are so insistent on trying to take a dump on our enjoyment? Why not become a Patriot fan since you clearly feel they are the standard you are looking for?
I also wonder about a fan who is so intent on trying to diminish the enjoyment of other fans in the hope that he can someday say I told you so to strangers. Saber, you have made your points, you have been heard, some agree with you, I suppose, but many do not. What is it about you that you are so insistent on trying to take a dump on our enjoyment? Why not become a Patriot fan since you clearly feel they are the standard you are looking for?
