People are going to say what they want about Carr, good and bad. Bottom line is he's getting Ws in his third year, all while still in the development stage of his career and playing with a bad (but improving) defense. He has put the team on his shoulders multiple times this season and willed them to wins. As a fan, what more could anyone ask for? Not counting the established future HOFers like Big Ben, Rodgers and Brady, what other QB would anyone want to lead this team? In my opinion, no one. The Silver & Black finally hit the jackpot with him.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
LOL, absolutely.
I did give the guy the benefit of the doubt and think he brings up some good and unheralded points about Carr's growth. It is clear that Carr is more comfortable leading the offense and in its pieces. The article calls out how Carr is now more often calling out motions on the line to audible to a secondary pass or run play as the D shifts to motion, revealing, say, if they really are in man or in zone.
I've noticed this myself with the more prevalent "kill kill" cadence at the line Carr has been using this season. Also noticed the different snap cadences Carr uses more this year in terms of trapping Ds on their heels with a quick snap at the line.
The article also points out some unique (at least to the writer) offensive sets the Raiders used in the Bucs game, which gives more credit to Musgrave, and deservedly so. Even with an ungodly amount of penalties, Musgrave drew up plays to put the Raiders in a position to win.
massraider
Footballguy
Huh, maybe he is underrated by Raider fans:
massraider
Footballguy
59 on deep ball % is a sick number.
I think TJ Ward's comments about the WRs earlier this week was some gamesmanship, trying to goad Carr and the team to going after the corners.
The strength of the offense has been Carr and the WRs, but the teeth of that defense has been passing downs, Miller and Ware coming hard, and the CBs playing lights out. They have three great CBs. Although Talib is banged up, and actually flew out to Cali early to see a doctor for a 2nd opinion.
Musgrave has shown a real ability to go after the bad matchups, and it shows every week. Vs JAX, the better matchup was Crabs vs whoever that stiff was at CB, and Cooper was largely ignored. No reason to give Jalen Ramsey a chance to make a play, easy pickings on the other side.
I am really expecting a bit of small ball from the team this week. Walford, Olawale, Rivera, Washington, I could see guys like this stepping up. Base set, let's keep Roby off the field, this is a bad week to expect much from Seth Roberts. Put Todd Davis and TJ Ward one one one with Walford/Rivera/Washington, and go after that matchup.
I think Crabs and especially Coop can shake loose vs. these guys, but you know what, do we need to test their corners? Do we need to risk turnovers vs. this team? How many drives from their own 20 yard line does the Denver offense have in it? Let's win the field position battle, the turnover battle, the special teams battle, and see if Siemien can move the ball.
The story this week has been Carr vs this defense, but no one is discussing the fact that Siemien has not played well in weeks.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Denver offense is shakier IMHO than most realize, their record disguises the fact that they haven't really been challenged by quality teams this year -- Panthers were literally paper conference champions having fallen down hard on O and D through the first half of the year, Bengals are paper tigers and not living up to talent, Atlanta may be the only real challange).
Their D still wins games.
I can unfortunately see us losing this game -- I think our costly mistakes (penalties, turnovers) are things the Denver D can take advantage of and put their O in positions to score on short fields -- but think we are more than capable of splitting the series as we continue to improve through the year.
Their D still wins games.
I can unfortunately see us losing this game -- I think our costly mistakes (penalties, turnovers) are things the Denver D can take advantage of and put their O in positions to score on short fields -- but think we are more than capable of splitting the series as we continue to improve through the year.
massraider
Footballguy
Aqib Talib is not playing. Gosh, I sure hope he's OK.
It's just a back injury, he didn't shoot himself or anything.
It's just a back injury, he didn't shoot himself or anything.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Per Evan Silva of Rotoworld, Crabtree would be on Lorenzo Doss and Cooper on Bradley Roby.
massraider
Footballguy
Tommy Collins
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massraider
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Tommy Collins
Footballguy
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/66287/179/silvas-week-9-matchups?pg=4
If you have Twitter you can ask him to see what he thinks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Any love in IDP for Aldon Smith coming back from suspension?
he's sitting there on the FA list in my league but I haven't heard much other than he's coming back....any homers hear anything promising about him? Will he be eased back?
Could really help the Raiders pass rush issues if he's right.
he's sitting there on the FA list in my league but I haven't heard much other than he's coming back....any homers hear anything promising about him? Will he be eased back?
Could really help the Raiders pass rush issues if he's right.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Check out Eric Breeze at Rotoworld for his IDP Nation piece. He hasn't done the Oak matchup yet. He's done all matchups up until SNF & MNF games.
BoltNlava
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massraider
Footballguy
Silva is incorrect.
For a great example of this, check the Falcons game. Falcons ran base set all day long, and Roby barely played.
massraider
Footballguy
No.
He'll be part of a platoon on the edge with Irvin, a rotation guy, and will nver be a tackle monster.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Thanks, that's actually what I suspected - I can think of very few players in NFL history would've cost themselves more money than Aldon Smith. He could've had Von Miller money if he kept his head on straight.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Well, in default, Crabs is on the right, and Cooper on the left.
I have it in my mind that Talib was the LCB (right side of offense). If that is right, and assuming Harris is on the right, and Roby take over on the left (both big assumptions on my part), then I would guess oby on Crabtree and Harris on Cooper.
I posted earlier that I thought Roberts would be quiet, but if he is matched up vs Doss, I retract that.
Question is, if Doss goes outside on 3 WR sets, and Roby slides to the slot. I might rewatch that last Denver game.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Per Silva, Cooper is on left vs Roby, Crabtree would've been on right vs Talib. You're suggesting Harris take right side and bump Roby to other side. Wouldn't it make sense to leave Roby in his spot, even though Cooper is the better WR?
Do you remember how they matched up last year?
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massraider
Footballguy
Opposite.
Roby played the right side of the offense (LCB) last week. Just watched some Game Pass to confirm.
That matchup seems like Crabs would get more work, but that's a guess.
The teams that beat DEN threw at everyone else, so maybe Seth Roberts gets a lot of work vs. Doss.
I wouldn't start either CB in IDP.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I edited the post you quoted, but still answered. I have Crab and Cooper on same team, usually start both and been lucky about which one I benched. I have to use 1 as a Flex, really struggling to pick one.
massraider
Footballguy
I would start Crabs. I think he draws Roby, or Doss if Roby moves to slot.
Last week in SD game, Roby was on left side of defense, so opposite Crabtree, in theory.
Also, Crabtree is the red zone guy.
Sarlakticacid
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Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
When Den beat us last year it was from points off turnovers, a pick 6 and a fumble lead to a FG. Seabass also missed 2 FGs which ended up being the difference in the game. We did very little in the run game and Reece was the receiving option with the most catches including a TD. Reece Crabs and Cooper all had around 50 yards receiving. Crabs had 9 targets to Coopers 4
On D we shut down the run and picked off Manning 2 times Sanders was the main weapon on O with 111 yards on 12 targets
When We beat Den it was on the back of 5 sacks from Mack and a few key drops from Denver. Both run games did nothing as did Cooper and Crabs 13 targets for 19 yards. TEs led the way with around 50 yards each and a TD with Seth getting the other.
I hope the coaching staff recalls what they did in those games, esp the run D and pass rush
On D we shut down the run and picked off Manning 2 times Sanders was the main weapon on O with 111 yards on 12 targets
When We beat Den it was on the back of 5 sacks from Mack and a few key drops from Denver. Both run games did nothing as did Cooper and Crabs 13 targets for 19 yards. TEs led the way with around 50 yards each and a TD with Seth getting the other.
I hope the coaching staff recalls what they did in those games, esp the run D and pass rush
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Hate to be the wet blanket, I'm loving watching the Raiders for the 1st time in 10 years (drafting J. Russell was the last straw for me until Al gave up the team). This is fun! Seeing the insurgence of young, long-term, star talent is going to make for a good decade. However...
Most of us fans agree that this is not a Super Bowl contender, but a piece of the playoff picture. Next year is a readjustment year. We will have a harder schedule, and studs don't always have a full, healthy season. The draft picks will be lower, and making it over this next hump is what separates the men from the boys. It will likely take another couple years, and expectations will be higher despite the tougher obstacles. Still should be a fun game to watch through the early 2020's if they don't do the Al thing, and stay the course. Continuity can be a good thing.
Most of us fans agree that this is not a Super Bowl contender, but a piece of the playoff picture. Next year is a readjustment year. We will have a harder schedule, and studs don't always have a full, healthy season. The draft picks will be lower, and making it over this next hump is what separates the men from the boys. It will likely take another couple years, and expectations will be higher despite the tougher obstacles. Still should be a fun game to watch through the early 2020's if they don't do the Al thing, and stay the course. Continuity can be a good thing.
You know what, I agree on paper.
You don't play games on paper.
If, for some strange reason. Mack gets a sack attack going. 2 turnovers by Denver occurs. SeaBass hits a 68 yard FG. Anything that .....
I can't give all the scenarios. I just know that this is a potential statement game. i hope we get a lead and most importantly, score TD's within the red zone and not get FG's. A FG from 45 or 55 is OK. A FG from 38 means we gave away 4 points.
I am trying to prepare myself for a ####ty 2 hour ride home after the game. But I keep coming back to the crappy offense Denver has and the potentially explosive offense we have. If Norton continues to move Mack around on the D line and let him attack from crazy angles, and Carr and the rest of the offense do their jobs, we can leave the stadium happy. Let me clarify. I saw Mack lined up on the right side of the O more then ever. I also saw Mack lined up inside on guards a couple of times. Keep doing that stuff. Same thing we did with Howie. Same thing Denver does with Marshall. Mack can and will come out Sunday night and tear stuff up. Let the dogs hunt! Norton needs to....let the dogs hunt!
Do your job D. Most importantly, do your job O-line.
F the Broncos. This team can beat their @$$'$ if they don't make mistakes and attack on D and on O.
Yeah, I rambled. I don't give a F. Just win baby! F### the Broncos!!!!!
Oline and defensive pressure and turnovers are key......just saying
You don't play games on paper.
If, for some strange reason. Mack gets a sack attack going. 2 turnovers by Denver occurs. SeaBass hits a 68 yard FG. Anything that .....
I can't give all the scenarios. I just know that this is a potential statement game. i hope we get a lead and most importantly, score TD's within the red zone and not get FG's. A FG from 45 or 55 is OK. A FG from 38 means we gave away 4 points.
I am trying to prepare myself for a ####ty 2 hour ride home after the game. But I keep coming back to the crappy offense Denver has and the potentially explosive offense we have. If Norton continues to move Mack around on the D line and let him attack from crazy angles, and Carr and the rest of the offense do their jobs, we can leave the stadium happy. Let me clarify. I saw Mack lined up on the right side of the O more then ever. I also saw Mack lined up inside on guards a couple of times. Keep doing that stuff. Same thing we did with Howie. Same thing Denver does with Marshall. Mack can and will come out Sunday night and tear stuff up. Let the dogs hunt! Norton needs to....let the dogs hunt!
Do your job D. Most importantly, do your job O-line.
F the Broncos. This team can beat their @$$'$ if they don't make mistakes and attack on D and on O.
Yeah, I rambled. I don't give a F. Just win baby! F### the Broncos!!!!!
Oline and defensive pressure and turnovers are key......just saying
massraider
Footballguy
Fun read on Kenny Stabler:
http://thestacks.deadspin.com/when-ken-stabler-was-a-country-music-lyric-come-to-life-1717060008
Man, Pete Axthelm wrote this. He was great.
http://thestacks.deadspin.com/when-ken-stabler-was-a-country-music-lyric-come-to-life-1717060008
Man, Pete Axthelm wrote this. He was great.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
So looking at his further I think it goes like this.
Roby is LCB lined up on Crabtree. Harris is RCB on Cooper. If 3 WR, then Harris slides to Nickel to cover Slot and Doss takes over at RCB on Cooper.
So if Oak is in 3 wide often, Cooper may be the play. I don't honk Crabtree on Roby is a bad play either.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the game of the week, and I'm thrilled its on Sunday night so I can watch the whole thing. 
massraider
Footballguy
All over Twitter and internet from Shefter that Raiders are preparing a Luck-ish deal for Carr after the season.
Smart, if true. The sooner you sign him, the cheaper he is.
Smart, if true. The sooner you sign him, the cheaper he is.
Garrett
Footballguy
I think they get an extra year on Mack's rookie deal since he was the 1st round pick, so makes sense to get Carr out of the way first.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Victory O
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
I do not know how to process the Raiders being legitimately good.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Pinch me, we're for real.
Huge statement game that we completely dominated.
Biggest game we've had in a decade. And we jammed it down the Donks' throat old school style.
Still a lot of football to play, but we proved something tonight to ourselves and the league.
Just win, baby!
Huge statement game that we completely dominated.
Biggest game we've had in a decade. And we jammed it down the Donks' throat old school style.
Still a lot of football to play, but we proved something tonight to ourselves and the league.
Just win, baby!
massraider
Footballguy
At Raiders bar in NYC, and about to go celebrate with two Korean stripper Raider fans in town from Vegas.
I gotta say it was a good day-Ice Cube
I gotta say it was a good day-Ice Cube
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hell of a game for the silver & black. Really impressive effort in just ebout every phase of the game.
Worh the exception of the blown coverage on the 1st TD pass & the Bibbs catch & run (which I put more on a good play by the offense) this was a great defensive effort.
Either Simean sucks or the Raiders D is finally gelling, probably a combination.
Worh the exception of the blown coverage on the 1st TD pass & the Bibbs catch & run (which I put more on a good play by the offense) this was a great defensive effort.
Either Simean sucks or the Raiders D is finally gelling, probably a combination.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Did any of you see anything anything new from our D this week. I had a thought that they may have been holding some good stuff back for games like this.
Either way D has shown up last 2 games.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
We now have a better record than all the teams that went 4-0
Chaka
Footballguy
Okay enough of that.
Gotta slow the roll just a bit. It was no doubt a solid win, a statement win even, however no Talib, no Kavon Webster (meh), very limited Brandon Marshall and they lost Derek Wolfe pretty early in the game. It may have been a different story if some or all of those guys were healthy.
On the flip side, after some early jitters the Raiders made great adjustments on the offensive line and contained Von Miller almost entirely. Didn't really hear his name called after a big sack early (except for that sick inside spin move he made on Howard that disrupted a Carr pass).
Gotta slow the roll just a bit. It was no doubt a solid win, a statement win even, however no Talib, no Kavon Webster (meh), very limited Brandon Marshall and they lost Derek Wolfe pretty early in the game. It may have been a different story if some or all of those guys were healthy.
On the flip side, after some early jitters the Raiders made great adjustments on the offensive line and contained Von Miller almost entirely. Didn't really hear his name called after a big sack early (except for that sick inside spin move he made on Howard that disrupted a Carr pass).
ffldrew
Footballguy
As a Bronco fan - I was very impressed with the play calling by Musgrave and Co. last night - really mixed it up well and got a lot of players involved. 6 man OLine was a positive as well. Going to look forward to the return at Mile High the question is will that game mean anything.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Great win! The road record is impressive as well. This looks like a fun team that can make a good playoff run.
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