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2017 ACC Sports (2 Viewers)

tdoss said:
There's definitely a philosophy thing with Duke in coaching and recruiting.

The onus is on motion and scoring.

Which works...but if there's any wrinkles in that starting lineup...it's a rough time.

Transfers, one and done's and injuries...definitely cause issue with any team but I'm talking about Championship aspirations every year, I know...woe is the Duke fan.  I can't imagine what it's like to be a GTech fan and hope for .500 at best.  Wait...I lied...I'm a Dolphin fan...so yes, I understand what it's like to struggle each year just to make the playoffs.
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tdoss said:
There's definitely a philosophy thing with Duke in coaching and recruiting.

The onus is on motion and scoring.

Which works...but if there's any wrinkles in that starting lineup...it's a rough time.

Transfers, one and done's and injuries...definitely cause issue with any team but I'm talking about Championship aspirations every year, I know...woe is the Duke fan.  I can't imagine what it's like to be a GTech fan and hope for .500 at best.  Wait...I lied...I'm a Dolphin fan...so yes, I understand what it's like to struggle each year just to make the playoffs.
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tdoss said:
There's definitely a philosophy thing with Duke in coaching and recruiting.

The onus is on motion and scoring.

Which works...but if there's any wrinkles in that starting lineup...it's a rough time.

Transfers, one and done's and injuries...definitely cause issue with any team but I'm talking about Championship aspirations every year, I know...woe is the Duke fan.  I can't imagine what it's like to be a GTech fan and hope for .500 at best.  Wait...I lied...I'm a Dolphin fan...so yes, I understand what it's like to struggle each year just to make the playoffs.
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JC, a fellow duke and dolphins fan

 
Interesting semifinals. A great basketball game, and what would (on paper and hype) be a great football game. 

 
If Duke doesn't run out of gas I honestly think they win this thing.  Tatum and Jackson are playing their best ball of the season. Tatum looks unstoppable at times. Even Giles has shown some signs of life. Man to man d still sucks donkey but maybe K actually recognized zone won the game yesterday? 

 
CabinFever said:
If Duke doesn't run out of gas I honestly think they win this thing.  Tatum and Jackson are playing their best ball of the season. Tatum looks unstoppable at times. Even Giles has shown some signs of life. Man to man d still sucks donkey but maybe K actually recognized zone won the game yesterday? 
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Would not be surprised at all if Duke won the ACC tourney

 
MattFancy said:
Would not be surprised at all if Duke won the ACC tourney
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I still would be. A more rested UNC team and then a much deeper and bigger FSU (I think they'll beat ND)  team are horrible matchups for Duke in their 3rd and 4th games in a row.

It will take a miracle for Duke to keep UNC off the glass tonight.

 
TLEF316 said:
I still would be. A more rested UNC team and then a much deeper and bigger FSU (I think they'll beat ND)  team are horrible matchups for Duke in their 3rd and 4th games in a row.

It will take a miracle for Duke to keep UNC off the glass tonight.
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I dunno. As a Heels fan, I didn't want to see Duke again in the ACC tourney. The only saving grace is this game means more for the Heels seeding wise than it does for Duke.

 
TLEF316 said:
I still would be. A more rested UNC team and then a much deeper and bigger FSU (I think they'll beat ND)  team are horrible matchups for Duke in their 3rd and 4th games in a row.

It will take a miracle for Duke to keep UNC off the glass tonight.
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Yeah...I'm not too optimistic.  Still too much 1v1 and lack of movement early in the shot clock.  I know some of this is to limit the amount of time they have to play defense, but whatever the initial action is on offense has to be more emphatic.  They're still lost on defense and any good shooting team would have finished them off when they went to the zone.  At least they foul the bad FT shooters.  

My guess is tonight comes down to Tatum v Hicks/Maye/Woods.  Hicks/Maye won that matchup last week.  See if they can do it again.

BTW, I didn't watch a ton of FSU this year and everytime I see Isaac I'm still surprised how long the guy is.  Just a freak.  

 
I will be completely not-committal and say that any of the four left can win it, and it depends on the match-up in the finals.

Duke over FSU

FSU over UNC

UNC over ND

ND over Duke

 
MattFancy said:
I dunno. As a Heels fan, I didn't want to see Duke again in the ACC tourney. The only saving grace is this game means more for the Heels seeding wise than it does for Duke.
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I assume if the Heels win tonight they lock up a 1 seed, and if they lose it's up in the air between them and the Pac-12 champ for the final 1 seed.  Anyone know who UNC fans should be rooting for to win the Pac 12 if they lose? I know UCLA, Arizona and Oregon are the three decent teams, but which one would have the weakest case for passing UNC even if they win the tournament?

Of course the Pac 12 teams might be better off as a 2 in the West with Gonzaga than as a 1 in another region with UNC as their 2 anyway.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I assume if the Heels win tonight they lock up a 1 seed, and if they lose it's up in the air between them and the Pac-12 champ for the final 1 seed.  Anyone know who UNC fans should be rooting for to win the Pac 12 if they lose? I know UCLA, Arizona and Oregon are the three decent teams, but which one would have the weakest case for passing UNC even if they win the tournament?

Of course the Pac 12 teams might be better off as a 2 in the West with Gonzaga than as a 1 in another region with UNC as their 2 anyway.
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I think it would be UCLA. Everywhere has them projected as a #3 seed at the moment. The problem with the Pac-12 is that Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon have combined for 6 Top 25 RPI wins. UNC alone has 5. The Pac 12 only has 4 teams in the Top 50: Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, and USC. The ACC is much tougher than the Pac-12. I wouldn't rule out Kentucky either as a possible #1 seed if they win the SEC.

But I do agree, a win tonight by UNC should all but cement a #1 seed. That would be 6 RPI Top 25 wins and 11 Top 50 wins. Plus, the ACC Regular Season title.

 
The only thing that could bite UNC with that #1 seed (if they don't win the tournament) is the lack of quality road wins. The schedule was unbelievably unbalanced and easy for them this year compared to Duke (and that's not a shot at UNC, Duke gets that same schedule next year) and I believe UNC lost all 4 road games that were teams in the upper half of the ACC. I don't know how many top wins UNC has against the top 50 RPI but I know Duke has more (11) wins than anyone in the nation. I'd love to see Duke and UNC play in the Final Four. Can you imagine the drama with that?!?

 
Huzzah!

Roy sat berry too long and inexplicably went away from meeks in the 2nd half. That's a coaching loss. Duke had no answer.

Happy for giles. Some great moments for him tonight

 
I wouldn't say UNC is overrated. They are an experienced group that has played together a lot and is talented enough to win a lot of games. They haven't shown much away from home this year but they'll be a very tough out.

Roy lost that game by keeping Berry on the bench for 2 or 3 minutes too long and going away from Meeks. Duke also did a great job on Jackson tonight.

All that being said, I'm not sure why the media narrative is that UNC is locked into a # 1 seed. If Duke wins tomorrow, I'd argue they have the better resume. I certainly value the regular season title over the tournament title, but with the road schedule as unbalanced as it was, the weight of that drops for me.  Not saying Duke deserves a 1 either but I just don't see how UNC's place at the table is considered such a lock.

 
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UNC will make a deep run with that experience and talent.  Possibly Final Four depending on bracket.

Duke has a chance for a deep run as well...but you gotta think they get gassed at some point.  They're putting everything on the line for this ACC Tourney.

I expect ACC to have a great showing in the Sweet Sixteen.

 
I'm not so sure Duke will be gassed, they are playing 8 with regular minutes and they sprinkle in Boldin for 90 seconds a game ;)

 
tdoss said:
I'm looking forward to seeing Bolden grow as a player.
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You think he'll return to Duke for sure? He seems the least engaged of any player on the team this year. He still has every physical tool you could hope for, but everything they said about his lack of motor in high school seems to be true. 

 
CabinFever said:
You think he'll return to Duke for sure? He seems the least engaged of any player on the team this year. He still has every physical tool you could hope for, but everything they said about his lack of motor in high school seems to be true. 
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It's all wishful thinking.  You can see the ability but have to agree that consistency and drive are an issue that I'm hoping maturity will fix. 

 
Some might find this post on ACC SOS interesting: ACC Strength of Schedule

I had forgotten the league will supposedly go to a 20 game schedule. I wish they would do that by adding a third rival and make Duke State's third rival, meaning we could get back to home and home matchups against UNC, Duke, and Wake every season.

 
Its criminal they don't let the Big Four play each other twice. I posted this in the NCAA thread, its amazing that UNC played the easiest possible schedule and Duke played the hardest. Duke played on the road vs every team in the top 10 standings (except themselves of course) where UNC played the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 8th ranked teams at home only. And when they finally played a top 9 team on the road (Duke and UVA ranked 5th and 6th) they lost both of those games. Their best road win was 10th Wake. This year more than ever proved how messed up the current schedule is. I wish they could all play each other twice, but at very least, keep the big 4 together. 

 
Gary Parrish from CBS must have read my early post here ;)  

"I haven’t heard many Bracketologists suggest Duke has a real chance to be a No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament. But I floated the idea earlier this week, and now I believe it’s a definite possibility.

Or at least it should be.

Here’s why …

If Duke beats Notre Dame in the ACC Tournament title game Saturday night, the Blue Devils will have eight top-25 RPI wins and 13 top-50 RPI wins. That would lead the nation in both categories. And they’re 2-1 against North Carolina, which would have three fewer top-25 RPI wins, two fewer top-50 wins and the same number of sub-50 and sub-100 losses. So can somebody please explain why UNC is considered a lock by some to be a No. 1 seed? Or why Duke isn’t being seriously discussed as No. 1? And while I recognize Oregon and Arizona are terrific, neither can come close to matching Duke’s wins. Arizona has five top-50 RPI wins. Oregon has four.

(Gonzaga has six, for those wondering).

I have Duke fourth in the updated Top 25 (and one).

So you know where I stand.

And the fact that Duke’s top seven scorers have combined to miss 25 games -- mixed with the fact that its Hall of Fame coach, Mike Krzyzewski, missed seven games, which resulted in three of Duke’s eight losses -- also supports Duke’s cause. So does a No. 10 strength of schedule rating, which is two spots better than North Carolina’s, 22 spots better than Arizona’s and 39 spots better than Oregon’s.

To be clear, I’m not predicting the selection committee will make Duke a No. 1 seed if it wins Saturday. I’m just strongly suggesting the selection committee should make Duke a No. 1 seed if it wins Saturday. Either way, the Blue Devils’ jump from ninth to fourth in the Top 25 (and one) pushed Kentucky down to No. 9, no fault of its own. Similarly, Notre Dame’s jump from 15th to 11th following Friday’s win over Florida State pushed West Virginia down to No. 14, no fault of its own. And Minnesota replaced Maryland. Richard Pitino’s Golden Gophers are now 26th."

 
I usually put more value on the regular season championship...but that run in the tournament...WOW.

4 straight days in that top bracket...to win it all.

That's pretty amazing.

Really wish Grayson could consistently get untracked.  He's a peacock...gotta let him fly!

 
Team can still be frustrating especially on the defensive end. Even if you don't go zone, why switch everything?  Seems like teams take advantage of that and the P&R defense constantly. Looking at KenPom, maybe K is content running teams off the 3 point line. Too 10 in both 3P% and 3PA/FGA.   Just fearful they run into another Derrick Williams. 

Offensively, they are scary. Can't stop all of Allen, Kennard, Taytum and Jackson. Do worry if the shots don't fall. 59% from 3 against UNC. 

Land anecdotally, seems like teams who run through their conference tourney and get hot either flame out early or make a deep run. Teams not deep but a few days off and hopefully an easy first game. 

 
Can't complain about that bracket at all if you're UNC.  Bottom half of the south is a bloodbath but they only have to play one of those teams if they advance.  Top half is fairly weak.

Duke is actually in a similar position IMO.  Top half of their bracket is brutal but their half is soft, they could get lucky and see a team knock off Villanova for them.

Condolences to Cuse fans, and good luck to Wake Forest fans.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Can't complain about that bracket at all if you're UNC.  Bottom half of the south is a bloodbath but they only have to play one of those teams if they advance.  Top half is fairly weak.

Duke is actually in a similar position IMO.  Top half of their bracket is brutal but their half is soft, they could get lucky and see a team knock off Villanova for them.

Condolences to Cuse fans, and good luck to Wake Forest fans.
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I like Duke's draw but their likely S16 match-up of Baylor/SMU seems more dangerous than Butler or Minnesota.  But Duke avoided a landmine in the 2nd round, short of playing South Carolina in South Carolina.  

 
sporthenry said:
I like Duke's draw but their likely S16 match-up of Baylor/SMU seems more dangerous than Butler or Minnesota.  But Duke avoided a landmine in the 2nd round, short of playing South Carolina in South Carolina.  
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Yeah agreed.  I'm sure this will come back to bite me but Butler/Minn as the 4/5 is a gift to the Heels. 

I guess that's the price of 2 seed vs 1 seed.  It's funny the stuff that ends up mattering- I bet if Duke won either the Miami or Syracuse road games two weeks ago the teams end up flip-flopped.

Congrats to the Duke fans on the tourney win, by the way. Told y'all that team would put it together- just too much talent that fits together fairly well for it not to happen.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Can't complain about that bracket at all if you're UNC.  Bottom half of the south is a bloodbath but they only have to play one of those teams if they advance.  Top half is fairly weak.

Duke is actually in a similar position IMO.  Top half of their bracket is brutal but their half is soft, they could get lucky and see a team knock off Villanova for them.

Condolences to Cuse fans, and good luck to Wake Forest fans.
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Agreed. I dont get the justification for seeding UNC over Duke but I think I'd rather have Duke's potential regional final (Nova in the Garden) over UNC's (UK in Memphis, which will be a HEAVY UK crowd. Or even UCLA, which would be a really bad matchup for Duke)

UNC's 1/2 of the region is a cakewalk IMO. Nothing scary for UNC about seton hall or Arkansas and Butler just doesn't have the size or athletes to match up.

Love Duke's matchups in the early part of the tournament but they kinda got hosed on venue. Potentially playing south carolina in their home state when 1/2 the building will be UNC fans is not good. (although SC doesn't scare me as a team) Obviously the committee set up various "narrative" scenarios with Wojo's Marquette squad or an allegedly salty Semi Ojeleye led SMU squad in the sweet 16. Baylor's personnel is a little scary but they've obviously been inconsistent down the stretch.

Like Wake to win in Dayton and beat Cincinnati.

UVA could be in trouble.  Louisville with a tough 2nd round game against a hot Michigan squad. Miami will have their hands full with Izzo. MSU has improved.

 
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I honestly don't think the committee really does the whole narrative thing.  Just think that many narratives exist.  Duke could just as easily have been in the same pod as Northwestern w/ Collins, MD as their 6, playing against Izzo in the 2nd round, Oregon re-match from last year.  

 
sporthenry said:
I honestly don't think the committee really does the whole narrative thing.  Just think that many narratives exist.  Duke could just as easily have been in the same pod as Northwestern w/ Collins, MD as their 6, playing against Izzo in the 2nd round, Oregon re-match from last year.  
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You might be right. Duke does have a lot of potential narratives.

Really is garbage that they somehow get a potential road game against the Game Cocks in the 2nd round. But I think  I'd rather play them than at least 2 of the other 3 7 seeds, so it is what it is.

 
sporthenry said:
I honestly don't think the committee really does the whole narrative thing.  Just think that many narratives exist.  Duke could just as easily have been in the same pod as Northwestern w/ Collins, MD as their 6, playing against Izzo in the 2nd round, Oregon re-match from last year.  
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They exist and they do absolutely choose from them, but you're quite right.  I was about 95% sure Duke would be seeded to play Maryland and about 75% sure that Northwestern would be our projected second-round opponent. 

 
:lmao:

Syracuse hosting UNC-Greensboro in first round of the NIT.  More trolling to come this week I'm sure.

Oh, GT and Indiana are playing Tuesday night.  Winner gets UGA or Belmont.  #Confetti

 
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