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2018 NCAA Tournament/Shtick Thread: TBS cameraman focused on crying kid who just happens to be up too late (2 Viewers)

#24 for Notre Dame women's team hit a long two with :01 second left to beat UConn Friday Night.  She just hit a three at the buzzer to win the national title.  Two buzzer beaters by the same player both in Final Four.  Crazy

 
Dedfin said:
Maybe I'm slow to the news.  Is Jay Wright the best coach in college basketball?
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Nova is on a five-year run any program would love to have.  It's been obscured by a couple early NCAA Tournament exits, but GLLL finding a program who had as high a floor as Nova's the last five seasons.  

You can probably find a few better tacticians than Wright.  There's a few better recruiters than Wright.  But not many who are both. 

 
tri-man 47 said:
First of all - Go Blue!  One of the best teams in the country.  (fair enough?)

Early commentary talks about Michigan having to slow the game down with their D and their deliberate offense.  But then again ...why?  Michigan found a way to make it to the championship game where they'll face, arguably, the best team in the country.  They have nothing to lose.   So why not just make it a shootout?  Michigan has shooters; Nova has shooters.  Run the game fast, and see who's shooters have the better game.  Michigan has had a hot shooting game just like Nova.  Who knows which team might light it up on Monday night.  

And Nova has one disadvantage: They've only won by double digits.  I don't think they'd be rattled by a close game, but if their first close game happens to the championship game, who knows.
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More possessions is like more flips of a coin - the result gets closer to a long run average ("true odds").   Michigan isn't the better team, so fewer possessions = higher variance = better chance to win.

 
Scoresman said:
I wonder how many people saying Michigan is the second best team in the tournament said the same about Gonzaga last year. 
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I am a MI alum and find all this back and forth funny. I don't give a #### what anyone thinks of our road (on either side of the debate). We are in the National Championship game. HOLY ####! And while we are underdogs - you only have to go 1-0. #### YEA!

 
Alex P Keaton said:
More possessions is like more flips of a coin - the result gets closer to a long run average ("true odds").   Michigan isn't the better team, so fewer possessions = higher variance = better chance to win.
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:kicksrock:

Just throwing a little out-of-the-box thinkin' out there.  Kinda like Rocky II changing his approach before the second fight.  Surprise!

Anyway, I'm thrilled Michigan's in the game and hope they can pull an upset.  After a final four loss in 1964, we've now won seven straight semi-final matches.  The record ain't so great in the championship.  The championship in 1989 is surrounded by losses to UCLA, Indiana, Duke, North Carolina, and Louisville.  If nothing else, we'll add another top school to that list of quality opponents.  Yet, there's always  a chance ...

 
tri-man 47 said:
:kicksrock:

Just throwing a little out-of-the-box thinkin' out there.  Kinda like Rocky II changing his approach before the second fight.  Surprise!

Anyway, I'm thrilled Michigan's in the game and hope they can pull an upset.  After a final four loss in 1964, we've now won seven straight semi-final matches.  The record ain't so great in the championship.  The championship in 1989 is surrounded by losses to UCLA, Indiana, Duke, North Carolina, and Louisville.  If nothing else, we'll add another top school to that list of quality opponents.  Yet, there's always  a chance ...
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:thumbup:

I'm a big fan of the '89 team.  Loved watching Glen Rice that year!

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Nova is on a five-year run any program would love to have.  It's been obscured by a couple early NCAA Tournament exits, but GLLL finding a program who had as high a floor as Nova's the last five seasons.  

You can probably find a few better tacticians than Wright.  There's a few better recruiters than Wright.  But not many who are both. 
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:goodposting:

"Best" college coach is always weird because the coaches are also tasked with personnel decisions unlike in pro sports, so the best one is to some extent just the one who wins the most. But if I was an AD of a school with an elite program with a head coaching vacancy Wright would be my first, second and third call.

I wonder if he might eventually try the NBA. He seems like a better fit than most of the guys who make the jump.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
:thumbup:

I'm a big fan of the '89 team.  Loved watching Glen Rice that year!
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:goodposting:  The Big Ten was so much fun that season.  Illinois spent a lot of time ranked #1 and was undefeated until Kendall Gill got hurt.  Iowa was legit 10-deep and 1-2-1-1 pressed the whole game.  Michigan had 4 future first-round picks in their starting lineup.  Indiana overcame a crappy nonconference performance, switched to three guards, and finished first in the conference.  Minnesota recovered from scandal and showed they had a future under Clem Haskins, knocking Illinois off their #1 ranking and beating Michigan late in the season to grab an at-large bid and advance to the Sweet 16.  Heck, Sparty was like 6-12 in conference, but they had Steve Smith, the second-best scorer in the conference that year after Rice.   

 
whoknew said:
I am a MI alum and find all this back and forth funny. I don't give a #### what anyone thinks of our road (on either side of the debate). We are in the National Championship game. HOLY ####! And while we are underdogs - you only have to go 1-0. #### YEA!
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:goodposting:   My thoughts exactly.

 
TobiasFunke said:
:goodposting:

"Best" college coach is always weird because the coaches are also tasked with personnel decisions unlike in pro sports, so the best one is to some extent just the one who wins the most. But if I was an AD of a school with an elite program with a head coaching vacancy Wright would be my first, second and third call.

I wonder if he might eventually try the NBA. He seems like a better fit than most of the guys who make the jump.
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I like how Wright addressed shortcomings when he took over at Villanova, and adjusted the team's playing style as they became a power.  Having trouble recruiting bigs?  Let's play four guards and shoot over the opponent's bigs.  Their starters are better than ours?  Let's press and overcome talent with conditioning, depth, and chemistry.  Recruiting has improved?  Let's shore up our halfcourt execution so can win playing fast or slow.  Other teams are playing four out?  Let's find bigs who can shoot threes so we can run lineups where all five have to be guarded 20-22 feet away from the basket.    

 
Jay Bilas is 100% right about rule changes here:

If you watched any of the Women’s Final Four, you saw rules of the game that Men’s College Basketball should adopt. Quarters, team foul reset, advance the ball in last minute...the Women’s game is better administered, and the Men’s game should follow suit.
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TobiasFunke said:
Jay Bilas is 100% right about rule changes here:
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Meh. I wouldnt put up much of a stink but I dont find those rule changes all that compelling. I like the idea of a foul reset, but I dont like the concept of going straight to two shots. I dont like the idea of more sloppy 2 for 1's or where a guy stands just past half court dribbling for 20 seconds by switching to 4 qtrs, but I do like the more natural flow that a 4 qtr game brings. Advancing the ball would have robbed us of some pretty amazing college basketball plays over the years but it would also likely have added more slightly less amazing plays. 

I would like to see an OT foul reset where each team gets one foul to give. I really hate when a game is a stalemate for 40 minutes and then the ref opens up OT with a bad call that instantly puts a team at the line. 

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
:goodposting:  The Big Ten was so much fun that season.  Illinois spent a lot of time ranked #1 and was undefeated until Kendall Gill got hurt.  Iowa was legit 10-deep and 1-2-1-1 pressed the whole game.  Michigan had 4 future first-round picks in their starting lineup.  Indiana overcame a crappy nonconference performance, switched to three guards, and finished first in the conference.  Minnesota recovered from scandal and showed they had a future under Clem Haskins, knocking Illinois off their #1 ranking and beating Michigan late in the season to grab an at-large bid and advance to the Sweet 16.  Heck, Sparty was like 6-12 in conference, but they had Steve Smith, the second-best scorer in the conference that year after Rice.   
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It is amazing to think this was once innovative. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
Jay Bilas is 100% right about rule changes here:
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Would greatly prefer quarter breaks and TV timeouts after 5:00 to the current 16-12-8-4 TV break system.  

I'm against automatic advance... until the next time a KU opponent hits a go-ahead shot with two seconds left.  Then I think it's a great idea.  

I like resetting team fouls at the quarter break.  But I'd like to see some preservation of the one-and-one.  Maybe team foul #5 is a one-and-one if it's on the floor.  

The NIT is becoming the experimental ground for rule changes, and used some of these this season.  They also tried pushing the three-point line back 20ish inches to FIBA depth, using an NBA-width lane, and resetting the shot clock to 20 after offensive rebounds.  IMO the shooters are definitely up to the challenge of pushing the three-point line back.  Doubt the shorter shot clock reset will alter gameplans or strategy, but that full reset does seem like a big punishment to the defense, especially late in games.  Don't think the college game needs a wider lane right now, but if it reduces the number of charge/block encounters it would be worth exploring further.

 
belljr said:
Don't watch basektball anymore - what is automatic advance?
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In the last two minutes of an NBA game, if a team calls timeout after the opponent makes a shot, they have the option to inbound the ball from the frontcourt instead of under their own basket.  (Also have the option if they call timeout immediately after gaining possession in their backcourt.)  That's called "automatic advance".  It's a bit contrived, but does add drama to end-of-game situations.  

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
In the last two minutes of an NBA game, if a team calls timeout after the opponent makes a shot, they have the option to inbound the ball from the frontcourt instead of under their own basket.  (Also have the option if they call timeout immediately after gaining possession in their backcourt.)  That's called "automatic advance".  It's a bit contrived, but does add drama to end-of-game situations.  
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I was wondering why Miss St got the ball at half court :lol:

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
In the last two minutes of an NBA game, if a team calls timeout after the opponent makes a shot, they have the option to inbound the ball from the frontcourt instead of under their own basket.  (Also have the option if they call timeout immediately after gaining possession in their backcourt.)  That's called "automatic advance".  It's a bit contrived, but does add drama to end-of-game situations.  
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Is there still a requirement that if they take this option, they must inbound into the frontcourt? I thought that was the NBA rule when I heard about it years ago.  So there's much less space that the opponent has to defend.

 
TobiasFunke said:
:goodposting:

"Best" college coach is always weird because the coaches are also tasked with personnel decisions unlike in pro sports, so the best one is to some extent just the one who wins the most. But if I was an AD of a school with an elite program with a head coaching vacancy Wright would be my first, second and third call.

I wonder if he might eventually try the NBA. He seems like a better fit than most of the guys who make the jump.
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Fun fact for everyone besides me...in March 2001, Jay Wright wanted and was ready to accept the Rutgers job. Our AD at the time was dragging his feet with the official contract offer, and was giving a couple token interviews to close out the process. It allowed enough time for Villanova to push out Steve Lappas and pounce on Wright before he could sign a deal with Rutgers. Wright had a meeting set up with the school president to sign the contract over the weekend, but he didn't have the cell number of our AD so he actually drove to Rutgers to give him the bad news in person. 

 
RUSF18 said:
Fun fact for everyone besides me...in March 2001, Jay Wright wanted and was ready to accept the Rutgers job. Our AD at the time was dragging his feet with the official contract offer, and was giving a couple token interviews to close out the process. It allowed enough time for Villanova to push out Steve Lappas and pounce on Wright before he could sign a deal with Rutgers. Wright had a meeting set up with the school president to sign the contract over the weekend, but he didn't have the cell number of our AD so he actually drove to Rutgers to give him the bad news in person. 
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No, not fun fact for everyone but you. That's a great story. I've loved Jay Wright and Beilein for a long time. As a UConn fan, I realized Wright was one of the best in the biz straight quick when he started running three-guard sets in CBB. Their loss to Duke back in the aughts was disheartening, but he's risen to the fore.  

eta* Beilein at WVU was awesome, too.  

 
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Wright and Beilein represented a pair of solid, respected coaches for tonight's game.  Chicago Trib had an article this morning on how Nova's Brunson and M's Matthews know each other well from playing in the Chicago area and on club teams during HS and have developed a friendship and mutual respect.  So a lot of feel-good surrounding this championship.  Hopefully it's a reasonably close and well-played game.

 
Wins by Conference, Rounds of 64, 32, 16, 8, and 4:

Big XII - 12 (Kansas (4), K-State (3), Texas Tech (3), West Virginia (2) )
Atlantic Coast - 11 (Clemson (2), Duke (3), Florida State (3), UNC, Syracuse (2) )
Big Ten - 9 (Michigan (5), Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue (2) )
Big East - 8 (Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova (5), Xavier)
Southeastern - 8 (Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Kentucky (2), Tennessee, Texas A&M (2) )
Missouri Valley - 4 (Loyola-Chicago (4) )
American Athletic - 2 (Cincinnati, Houston)
Mountain West - 2 (Nevada (2) )
West Coast -2 (Gonzaga (2) )
America East - 1 (UMBC)
Atlantic 10 - 1 (Rhode Island)
Conference USA - 1 (Marshall)
Mid-American - 1 (Buffalo)
Pac-12 - 0 (Conference Of Champions)

 
I'm really hoping that "One Shining Moment" will comprise nothing but clips of all the kids who were crying after their team lost.

 
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