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2018 Offseason Coaching Changes (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Upon hearing this, Carson Palmer retired from the NFL.Marvin Lewis gets a 2 year extension
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I don't agree with him, but he's saying that Matt Stafford is a "coach killer"--a QB too good to get rid of but not good enough to win anything significant. So he's saying letting that guy not only keep the franchise mired in mediocrity but also letting him dictate the coaching staff isn't a good idea.
*Again, I don't agree with him. Just my interpretation of what he's saying.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
JetMaxx
Footballguy
They are frequently behind early because of the poor play of their “franchise” QB. Why put any stock into what he says about coaching?? IMO he’s a coach killer, great talent but will get coaches fired because it seems like it’s the coaches fault when often it’s truly his
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Marvin Lewis 
thank you mr brown.
thank you mr brown.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In his press conference yesterday Bob Quinn made it clear their will be no involvement by Stafford or any other player in deciding the next coach of the Liobs next HC. In a free flowing tone which belied it was in direct response to Stafford’s remarks, he explicitly said keeping their current OC - ATM every assistant is still under contract, except for O-line coach who was also fired Monday morning - is not a limiting factor in the HC search. “We’re gonna find the best head coach now and worry about the OC & QB later.”
It was unusual for Stafford to lobby like that but I think everyone knows this isn’t the NBA. Stars don’t dictate to the club who to hire. Stafford can make all the throws, if they go to another offensive scheme, he’ll adjust.
Statistical splits or a decent set of eyeballs don’t support the view that Stafford is the reason the Lions are “frequently behind.” They were often too conservative and predictable early in 2017 games, especially on first down. They did have a lot of games in which they came out flat both offensively and defensively - think they were down 0-10 four weeks in a row. But that was more due to their lack of first down success (last in the league this year) then anything Staff was or was not doing. It was maddening how often Ameer or Theo would run into the pile to setup 2nd & 10.
Last year they were a little more varied in their play calling, especially in the early game scripts. When they finished the preset script they seemed lost what to do and ending up blowing a lot of double digit leads in 2016 (Colts, Eagles & Redskins games come to mind), which in turn led to the NFL record 8 comeback wins.
Being too conservative early is a derivative of another tendency in the Caldwell era - they’d turtle up once they went up two scores. It’s how they lost a 20 point lead at home versus the Packers last season, an 18 point lead in the road opener (San Diego) in 2015, and blew their biggest playoff game lead ever (14 points @ Dallas) in 2014.
Those attributes transcended both OCs in the Caldwell era. That said, the bloom is definitely off JBC. Would not be surprised if they move on from him. He definitely helped Matthew with his footwork - immeasurably better, you don’t see those WTF throws off his back foot or that goofy sidearm into a tight window he could get away with when Calvin was ripping away contested catches. That’s the qualitative, and quantitatively just google Stafford before before / after Cooter. It’s like a boilerplate for when writers run out of stuff to write, “hey let’s compare Stafford’s 41 games under JBC with the 41 before that.” It’s just gonna keep getting better because Stafford’s worst years were his last 1-1/2 seasons under Schwartz.
Stafford’s comfort and continuity will be a consideration, and it should be - he’s the best QB they’ve had in the SB era, and #2 isn’t close - but I definitely don’t think there’s any rational reason for pushing the narrative it’s the driving force behind who they hire.
It was unusual for Stafford to lobby like that but I think everyone knows this isn’t the NBA. Stars don’t dictate to the club who to hire. Stafford can make all the throws, if they go to another offensive scheme, he’ll adjust.
Statistical splits or a decent set of eyeballs don’t support the view that Stafford is the reason the Lions are “frequently behind.” They were often too conservative and predictable early in 2017 games, especially on first down. They did have a lot of games in which they came out flat both offensively and defensively - think they were down 0-10 four weeks in a row. But that was more due to their lack of first down success (last in the league this year) then anything Staff was or was not doing. It was maddening how often Ameer or Theo would run into the pile to setup 2nd & 10.
Last year they were a little more varied in their play calling, especially in the early game scripts. When they finished the preset script they seemed lost what to do and ending up blowing a lot of double digit leads in 2016 (Colts, Eagles & Redskins games come to mind), which in turn led to the NFL record 8 comeback wins.
Being too conservative early is a derivative of another tendency in the Caldwell era - they’d turtle up once they went up two scores. It’s how they lost a 20 point lead at home versus the Packers last season, an 18 point lead in the road opener (San Diego) in 2015, and blew their biggest playoff game lead ever (14 points @ Dallas) in 2014.
Those attributes transcended both OCs in the Caldwell era. That said, the bloom is definitely off JBC. Would not be surprised if they move on from him. He definitely helped Matthew with his footwork - immeasurably better, you don’t see those WTF throws off his back foot or that goofy sidearm into a tight window he could get away with when Calvin was ripping away contested catches. That’s the qualitative, and quantitatively just google Stafford before before / after Cooter. It’s like a boilerplate for when writers run out of stuff to write, “hey let’s compare Stafford’s 41 games under JBC with the 41 before that.” It’s just gonna keep getting better because Stafford’s worst years were his last 1-1/2 seasons under Schwartz.
Stafford’s comfort and continuity will be a consideration, and it should be - he’s the best QB they’ve had in the SB era, and #2 isn’t close - but I definitely don’t think there’s any rational reason for pushing the narrative it’s the driving force behind who they hire.
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Chaka
Footballguy
FWIW I have not been particularly impressed with Jim Bob Cooter as an offensive coordinator but I think the league needs more guys with names like Jim Bob so I hope they hire him as head coach.
If Jim Bob hired Billy Joe Tolliver as his OC and Billy Joe Hobert as his QB coach, or real estate broker, or whatever, I would immediately convert to being a Lions fan for life.
If Jim Bob hired Billy Joe Tolliver as his OC and Billy Joe Hobert as his QB coach, or real estate broker, or whatever, I would immediately convert to being a Lions fan for life.
fatness
against the grain
cheese
Footballguy
The strangest part about the Lewis situation the last month has been how badly Schefter whiffed on everything he reported. In hindsight, he was dead wrong all along. When does that ever happen?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
fatness
against the grain
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
This seems like the case. Schefter sure isn’t getting any leaks from Mike Brown.
I am in the camp that his hire would be worse than Lewis, and I’m not a Lewis fan. Marvin does have a relationship with Del Rio. Any chance he is next DC?
Hankmoody
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
The Dolphins rumored to be signing Dowell Loggains as their offensive coordinator and Adam Gase will no longer call plays.
The offense has been terrible and Gase should likely be fired, but instead they take power away from him. Then they bring in a coach whos offenses have been pretty mediocre or worse with the team looking to upgrade their offense soon after.
I would consider divesting in Dolphins players short term.
The offense has been terrible and Gase should likely be fired, but instead they take power away from him. Then they bring in a coach whos offenses have been pretty mediocre or worse with the team looking to upgrade their offense soon after.
I would consider divesting in Dolphins players short term.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I'm both surprised and not that the Bengals resigned Lewis. It'd be just like them to basically say "Yeah, we're ok with being mediocre." I feel really bad for John Ross who probably will never have a career now.
Also, wouldn't be shocked if the future coach of the Bengals is... Jeff Fisher.
Also, wouldn't be shocked if the future coach of the Bengals is... Jeff Fisher.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Sounds like Mularkey is safe, hamstringing the Titans for another year. He's holding that team back (him and the OC). Time to fire them both and promote Lebeau to HC.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Patricia to the Lions all but confirmed due to league rules.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
This ended up being really boring. Only 5 teams fired coaches, which means the floodgates will open after 2018 season.
Teams that fired coaches for 2018
NYG
CHI
DET
IND
OAK
Coaches that could have/should have been/were rumored to be in jeopardy of being fired:
WAS
TBB
NYJ
CLE
CIN
HOU
TEN
DEN
Teams that fired coaches for 2018
NYG
CHI
DET
IND
OAK
Coaches that could have/should have been/were rumored to be in jeopardy of being fired:
WAS
TBB
NYJ
CLE
CIN
HOU
TEN
DEN
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Now Patricia being rumored to NYG. Can’t wait to hear the story behind the scenes if true. Lions gonna Lion I guess.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Do you really need a behind the scenes story to explain why a guy would prefer the (hometown) Giants over the Lions?
fatness
against the grain
I read the article and gave my take on it. Your selective quoting leaves out the reason to doubt the police report. I'll bold that reason.
The police were not honest about Haley's injury, so there's no reason to believe they were honest about his "noninvolvement".
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Brian Schottenheimer rumored to be the new Seahawks OC. :X
Time to trade Wilson?
Time to trade Wilson?
Tanner9919
Footballguy
ATL should fire the entire coaching staff they just can't win with that regime. please ATL , get rid of these idiots
and please NYG do NOT hire Patricia as HC..not one single coach who left BB's regime in NE ever amounted to a hill of beans as a HC elsewhere..learn from other teams' mistakes..do NOT follow suit, do NOT hire him as your HC..that would be worse than keeping the slick headed McAdont in town.
and please NYG do NOT hire Patricia as HC..not one single coach who left BB's regime in NE ever amounted to a hill of beans as a HC elsewhere..learn from other teams' mistakes..do NOT follow suit, do NOT hire him as your HC..that would be worse than keeping the slick headed McAdont in town.
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Faust
MVP
Mike Mularkey's stubbornness, failure to scheme around Marcus Mariota were his demise
Good riddance to a load of Mularkey?
Good riddance to a load of Mularkey?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think Quinn is a excellent coach, rat face shanny jr leaving was a big issue, not sure why he went with sarkisian. I'm sure he is back another season though
Koya
Footballguy
As I said in the Giants thread, not sure where I stand on this hire - guess it's a pretty "Giants" type guy - professional, not some young whiz kid, has paid his dues... I do like his QB bonafides seeing as we will soon be grooming the next QB after Eli, but I am a bit enamoured with McDaniels now that he has already had his first taste as a HC. Plenty fine letting Patricia go, because he has not.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
He's had 14 years without a single playoff win. How long should a team wait before searching for a new leader?
They should most certainly fire him but since I own Mixon and he was coming on at the end of the year, I don't want them messing with the O. I think the OC is back.
