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2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (5 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
ICON211
Footballguy
Ok Lamb had a better rookie year. Ruggs brought something really important to this offense and was looking really good this year. We will never be able to make career comparisons now. I do not agree with saying the Ruggs pick was awful from a football perspective and it was actually looking like a very good pick IMO.
ICON211
Footballguy
Ok if you project out Ruggs numbers this year for 16 games they would have been
55-1,072-5
He was developing into more than just a speed WR. Sometimes it takes a little time for a WR to develop especially with no rookie offseason.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
I would've taken CD in that spot and scratched my head as much as anyone when Ruggs was announced. Ruggs was proving me wrong regularly this season. He was doing things CD cannot do. Ruggs was quickly proving to not just be a HIGHLY effective deep threat, but he was ALSO making plays in the intermediate spaces. He was ascending fast. It's an awful shame we'll never get to see what he would've made of himself.
LawFitz
Footballguy
And I'd bet if you project out Ruggs' Yr 2 numbers with Tyreek's targets from his year 2, we'd see something even more compelling.
Mayock's drafts haven't been perfect. No GM's drafts the last three years (or ever) have been. But I bet you would have a hard time finding three collective drafts from any one team that have produced as much young talent as the last three Raiders drafts - even with the 1st round blunders and tragedy. But this is all becoming circular at this point. Some of you in here only see what you want to see and/or seem to be digging heels into preconceived assertions. Whatev's if you can't see the forest for the trees.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Prime DJax is the better Ruggs comp due to body type, but Ruggs was able to track and adjust to deep balls as well as both of them and had better hands than Tyreek. Yup, he did. If you know what to look for, you'd see it too. Ruggs had better hands than most NFL WRs, including even your precious, infallible CD Lamb.
(I still think Lamb is the better overall WR, and should've been the pick. But that didn't make Ruggs a bad pick. The 2021 wrath of the Universe upon the Raiders did.)
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
agreed. he was heading in the right direction. i have always thought the tyreek comparisons were way off base. pointless discussion now. but cd or jj should have been the pick.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
agree with the djax comp. totally disagree about ruggs hands being better than most nfl wrs. you got that on lock, from all 50 catches of his career?
"my precious, infallible cd lamb" where the hell did you get that? pretty much everyone on earth would have taken cd or jj. i don't give 2 ####s about lamb. he should have been the pick though.
ICON211
Footballguy
At the time I wanted CD, but as it was playing out I was more than fine with Ruggs till last week. Jefferson was never even a consideration for me or most other people.agreed. he was heading in the right direction. i have always thought the tyreek comparisons were way off base. pointless discussion now. but cd or jj should have been the pick.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
totally disagree about ruggs hands being better than most nfl wrs. you got that on lock, from all 50 catches of his career?
Yup. Saw enough of his technique and effectiveness at the catch point to know the kid had it. Injuries and Covid rookiness did him in last year. This year, the breakout was just beginning to take steam. This narrative you've been peddling for a while now that Ruggs was just a speed guy is tired and fully disproven in my eyes.
Would CD have been the better pick? Sure. Was Ruggs a bad pick? Not until last week. Not even close. Quite the opposite, actually.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
Ditto, would have preferred CD, but Ruggs on-field performance was greatly improved this year.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It does seem contradictory. Gruden improved the team this season but he wasn’t capable of drafting enough impact players to build the team into a SB contender. You cannot miss on so many early round picks and ever have a roster to compete with the stacked rosters of the elite teams.
Sorry if you miss Gruden but I think the team is better now.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I hated the Ruggs pick more than most but he did serve a role in the O. Using a first round pick to fill that role seemed silly but Ruggs was playing much better this season.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The consensus was Lamb/Jeudy as 1A and 1B based on preference with Ruggs right behind them as #3 as the top tier guys. Everyone else was considered second tier. Ruggs was considered top tier which is why I say big 3.
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Chadstroma
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I don't find that concerning at all. That is Mayock. He will always err on the side of taking responsibility rather than kicking it off to someone else. He is just that high character guy which is why he wants guys like that. He eats, sleeps and breathes being an upstanding person even if he is a little rough on the edges (I use to love that about watching him on NFL Network because he was more genuine than most who are on TV) and his taking blame seemed to be about checking on the character. I tried to figure out if he was saying that there was something known back then that they missed or if they just clearly in hindsight missed it. I was not clear on that from the statements I read.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Yea, this makes me want to kick myself because I made several mental notes to talk about the O-line from the game. They are not the best in the league but it is very clear that they have made huge strides. James absolutely does seem to be growing into the role. Leatherwood is playing much better at G right now (I do hope he can make the move back out to T after some seasoning though). Parker is not embarrassing himself.
Both the Eagles and Giants games have been much better line play as a whole than what we were seeing early in the season.
A ton of credit needs to go to Cable (who Raider Nation was demanding his head on a spike a short few years ago) and the guys doing the work. Also, credit to Mayock/Gruden for trusting their talent evaluation. Miller has grown to be a solid LT as he has for the last couple of years and the other guys are getting better.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think we have a good chance for playoffs this year and don't need to look ahead. I think this game with the Giants was going to be rough. Losing Ruggs on top of Gruden, I felt like that was going to impact the team in a much different way than Gruden. It is a little in the rearview now. The Chefs are suppose to be dangerous and I don't want to discount them but my goodness they have been playing poorly. Hopefully they don't find themselves again against us but if they continue on the trend they have been, it should be a win. Yes, we have a rough schedule after that but I think this team will come back and fight. Carr will not play like he did against the Giants and other than Carr there was no real huge deficiency in the game other than feeling like the offense was missing Ruggs speed. With DeSean in the fold some speed has been added back and hopefully that helps that. We are a dangerous team here and now.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
We will never know now about would or could have been with Ruggs. Clearly though, he developed and was an effective weapon. His presence on the field helped the entire offense. It wasn't as a decoy either as his 19.5 yard average was clearly a weapon that defenses had to account for or they would get beat badly. There is no doubt in my mind that helped everyone else from Waller to Edwards and Renfrow to the running backs.
Now he is gone. We brought DeSean on board that will hopefully help. DeSean in his prime was not as fast as Ruggs but he still seems to have some left in him and he has a lot of veteran experience.
Now he is gone. We brought DeSean on board that will hopefully help. DeSean in his prime was not as fast as Ruggs but he still seems to have some left in him and he has a lot of veteran experience.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I like DJax's talent, but have zero faith in his body to remain upright for more than a couple games of significant usage. Hope I am wrong, but also hope they'll continue to heavily incorporate ZayJ as another field stretcher - both to limit the wear on DJax and also to get Zay into a better rhythm and feel for the offense and Carr, in case (for when) DJax goes down.
(Also would not mind kicking some OBJ tires, now that he's cleared waivers.
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Yea, I don't think we will see DJax supplant Zay in the X role. I think he will take snaps away from Zay but not send Zay back to the same snap count as before. His snaps will likely be a few and increased a bit each game but then my guess for high point of percentage, barring injuries to other players, will be around 30-40%. Zay has a 19.3 average on catches. He played almost all snaps last game and had 2 targets. I think he will continue to get the bulk of the snaps and DJax will be used to as a supplement to him.I like DJax's talent, but have zero faith in his body to remain upright for more than a couple games of significant usage. Hope I am wrong, but also hope they'll continue to heavily incorporate ZayJ as another field stretcher - both to limit the wear on DJax and also to get Zay into a better rhythm and feel for the offense and Carr, in case (for when) DJax goes down.
(Also would not mind kicking some OBJ tires, now that he's cleared waivers.
OBJ came out and told teams that if they picked him up he might cause problems for them. He is has shown he is an absolute cancer. One thing this team does not need is more drama. He has game changing talent but I think he would be a subtraction to the team and not an addition. I don't want him.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
My narrative has been changing all year as he made strides in the right direction. Read my post, literally just above yours that I’m quoting here.
SDJohnny
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
He likes to improvise, he wants to be the focus of an offense and he has temper tantrums that make a 2 year old blush.
NO MORE DRAMA PLEASE.
Hard pass.
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Chadstroma
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Even with the addition of DeSean Jackson to the roster this week, the Las Vegas Raiders are continuing to kick the tires on possible additions to the roster at receiver.
Via Aaron Wilson of Sportstalk 790, the Raiders worked out Jaelen Strong, Jeff Badet, Gary Jennings and Marqise Lee.
Strong hasn’t been on an NFL roster since he was released by the Cleveland Browns in 2019 at the end of training camp. Strong was a third round pick of the Houston Texans in 2015 and spent parts of three seasons with the team.
Badet was in camp with the Atlanta Falcons this summer before an injury landed him on the injured reserve list. Atlanta released him from injured reserve in mid-August. Badet has also spent time with the Minnesota Vikings and Washington Football Team.
Jennings was a fourth-round pick of the Seattle Seahawks in 2019 and lasted only a half season with the team before being waived in November without appearing in a game. He was claimed by the Miami Dolphins and did appear in a single game with the team before landing on injured reserve. He’s spent time on the practice squads of the Baltimore Ravens and Buffalo Bills and was with the Indianapolis Colts in camp before being waived/injured.
Lee was a second-round pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2014 and spent six seasons with the team. Lee opted out of playing last season due to COVID-19 reasons. He briefly signed with the San Francisco 49ers in May but was released less than a week later. He has a career-high 63 catches for 851 yards and three touchdowns for the Jaguars in 2016.
In addition to the four receivers, the Raiders also looked at quarterback Kevin Hogan. Hogan has appeared in eight total games in the NFL with one start for the Cleveland Browns in 2017. He’s also spent time with the Kansas City Chiefs, Washington Football Team, Denver Broncos and Cincinnati Bengals. Since receivers need someone to throw them passes, Hogan likely served that role for the purposes of the workouts.
The Raiders are looking for help at receiver after releasing Henry Riggs III after his fatal car accident last week.
Via Aaron Wilson of Sportstalk 790, the Raiders worked out Jaelen Strong, Jeff Badet, Gary Jennings and Marqise Lee.
Strong hasn’t been on an NFL roster since he was released by the Cleveland Browns in 2019 at the end of training camp. Strong was a third round pick of the Houston Texans in 2015 and spent parts of three seasons with the team.
Badet was in camp with the Atlanta Falcons this summer before an injury landed him on the injured reserve list. Atlanta released him from injured reserve in mid-August. Badet has also spent time with the Minnesota Vikings and Washington Football Team.
Jennings was a fourth-round pick of the Seattle Seahawks in 2019 and lasted only a half season with the team before being waived in November without appearing in a game. He was claimed by the Miami Dolphins and did appear in a single game with the team before landing on injured reserve. He’s spent time on the practice squads of the Baltimore Ravens and Buffalo Bills and was with the Indianapolis Colts in camp before being waived/injured.
Lee was a second-round pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2014 and spent six seasons with the team. Lee opted out of playing last season due to COVID-19 reasons. He briefly signed with the San Francisco 49ers in May but was released less than a week later. He has a career-high 63 catches for 851 yards and three touchdowns for the Jaguars in 2016.
In addition to the four receivers, the Raiders also looked at quarterback Kevin Hogan. Hogan has appeared in eight total games in the NFL with one start for the Cleveland Browns in 2017. He’s also spent time with the Kansas City Chiefs, Washington Football Team, Denver Broncos and Cincinnati Bengals. Since receivers need someone to throw them passes, Hogan likely served that role for the purposes of the workouts.
The Raiders are looking for help at receiver after releasing Henry Riggs III after his fatal car accident last week.
joey
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Another area where I totally missed on... I was confident that Moreau would be used more after his performance without Waller and losing Ruggs. I was wrong. His percentage of snap counts was actually one of the lowest of the season. I would like to see more gameplanning getting both Waller and Moreau out on routes together. Think Gronkowski and Hernandez before the whole murder thing. That is a wrinkle I think that can added, be effective and pressure opposing defenses in their prep and game planning. They are the best TE duo in the league, we should use them together more.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Crap.... losing Philon sucks. If is good we have Hankins back. Square has flashed and Vickers has proven serviceable rotation in the past. Jeffersom and especially Thomas will have to provide the punch.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Today, November 10, interim head coach Rich Bisaccia gave his update on Incognito, and it wasn’t nearly as hopeful as Gruden’s many updates were.
“We think Trayvon [Mullen’s] a little bit closer than Richie,” said Bisaccia of the return of the two players. “We’re hoping that we can get him hopefully to practice maybe the Dallas week and play the next week. You know we have that short week in there for Thanksgiving, but he’d been doing much better day-by-day in here.”
The week after the Cowboys game is the Washington Football Team on December 5. If Bisaccia is looking at that date for Mullen’s return, and Incognito is farther out, then we are potentially looking at at least mid-December — Week 14 — before Incognito returns.
“We think Trayvon [Mullen’s] a little bit closer than Richie,” said Bisaccia of the return of the two players. “We’re hoping that we can get him hopefully to practice maybe the Dallas week and play the next week. You know we have that short week in there for Thanksgiving, but he’d been doing much better day-by-day in here.”
The week after the Cowboys game is the Washington Football Team on December 5. If Bisaccia is looking at that date for Mullen’s return, and Incognito is farther out, then we are potentially looking at at least mid-December — Week 14 — before Incognito returns.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/national/story/2021-11-10/desean-jackson-feels-hes-right-fit-for-reeling-raiders
“I’m not asking to get the ball 100 times, I’m not asking to play 100 percent — whatever that role is that fits, just let me play it to the best of my ability,” said Jackson, who has led the league four times in yards per reception. “Being that spark, what I’ve been able to do my whole career. Deep threat, vertical threat ... if it’s being a decoy opening it up for other guys, (Darren) Waller, Huner (Renfrow), whatever it is I need to do to be a spark that’s what I’m here for.”
“I’m not asking to get the ball 100 times, I’m not asking to play 100 percent — whatever that role is that fits, just let me play it to the best of my ability,” said Jackson, who has led the league four times in yards per reception. “Being that spark, what I’ve been able to do my whole career. Deep threat, vertical threat ... if it’s being a decoy opening it up for other guys, (Darren) Waller, Huner (Renfrow), whatever it is I need to do to be a spark that’s what I’m here for.”
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Babet got hurt, moved to PS-IR.
Signed Gary Jennings.
Signed Gary Jennings.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
https://justblogbaby.com/2021/11/12/raiders-andre-james-rounding-dominant-center-2021/
Andre James has been rounding into form as the season has progressed
85.5 PFF Grade since Week 7 (2nd among Centers)
86.2 Run Blocking Grade (t-3rd)
0 pressures or sacks allowed
Andre James has been rounding into form as the season has progressed
85.5 PFF Grade since Week 7 (2nd among Centers)
86.2 Run Blocking Grade (t-3rd)
0 pressures or sacks allowed
ZADO
Footballguy
Now, the Chiefs are playing better defenses than they did the first month of the season. But we’re talking defenses that rank #10, 15 and 16.
This week, they must face the #14 Raiders defense.
And it’s a defense that generates a ton of pressure despite having the lowest blitz rate in the NFL.
On early downs the Raiders have a 10% blitz rate, which is, by far, the lowest in the NFL. No other team is below 14% and the average is 22% blitz rate.
But the Raiders pressure the quarterback on 37% of his dropbacks. That is, by far, the highest in the NFL. No other team is above 34% and the average is 28%.
Most teams that have successfully slowed down the Chiefs over the last month have adjusted their defense to rarely blitz Patrick Mahomes and play a 2-high shell defense.
The Raiders don’t have to adjust the blitz rate element at all.
The closest team to where the Raiders sit with no-blitz, steady-pressure is the Titans, even though the Raiders are substantially better. And we saw what happened in that Titans game.
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/sunday-night-football-preview/sunday-night-football-deep-dive-25
This week, they must face the #14 Raiders defense.
And it’s a defense that generates a ton of pressure despite having the lowest blitz rate in the NFL.
On early downs the Raiders have a 10% blitz rate, which is, by far, the lowest in the NFL. No other team is below 14% and the average is 22% blitz rate.
But the Raiders pressure the quarterback on 37% of his dropbacks. That is, by far, the highest in the NFL. No other team is above 34% and the average is 28%.
Most teams that have successfully slowed down the Chiefs over the last month have adjusted their defense to rarely blitz Patrick Mahomes and play a 2-high shell defense.
The Raiders don’t have to adjust the blitz rate element at all.
The closest team to where the Raiders sit with no-blitz, steady-pressure is the Titans, even though the Raiders are substantially better. And we saw what happened in that Titans game.
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/sunday-night-football-preview/sunday-night-football-deep-dive-25
rockaction
Footballguy
I rostered Ruggs in dynasty and watched him intently before I traded him this year, two weeks before the tragedy. He had really, really good hands. He was starting to put it together. He wasn't Tyreek, because Tyreek is shifty and quick, whereas Ruggs's speed was long speed. Tyreek looks like a joystick is controlling him out there. So does DJax. Their lateral movement is off the charts, something Ruggs lacked. That's why Ruggs never excelled as a KR in either the pros or in college. He wasn't a great open field runner. His speed was straight line. But he was fleet as heck and had really good hands that plucked the ball out of the air. He was also good at contested catches, able to pinpoint, track, and then high point the ball.
What might have been. What a shame. Sickens me, and did for the better part of that week.
Best of luck this season, fellas.
rockaction
Footballguy
And Chad is right. Universal consensus had Lamb, Jeudy, and Ruggs, generally in that order. Jefferson was Tier Two, which makes me wonder why...Jefferson ran a sub 4.4. Did they think he was not fast enough? I think that teams got scared away because Chase was the main guy for that title-winning LSU team and Jefferson manned the slot. They saw a second fiddle, not knowing exactly how good Chase was.
That's my two cents on the discussion.
That's my two cents on the discussion.
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Best thing in football is being sble to pressure the QB without needing to blitz. You will win a lot of games if you can rush 4 consistently and still make life unfun for the thrower.
Chadstroma
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Chadstroma
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Kwiat and Gillespie out
Nixon and Robertson doubtful
The rest full practice Saturday and ready to roll
Nixon and Robertson doubtful
The rest full practice Saturday and ready to roll
Chadstroma
Footballguy
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,.72)]Onwuasor and Clinton-Dix both called up from practice squad for the Chef game.[/COLOR]
Chadstroma
Footballguy
https://deadspin.com/trevon-moehrig-deserves-more-respect-than-what-he-s-get-1848052440
"With all the bad press the Raiders have endured this season, it makes sense that anybody exceeding expectations on that team would get lost among all the headlines involving Gruden, Ruggs, or Arnette. The team’s first-round pick, offensive tackle Alex Leatherwood, has shown steady progression throughout the season as well. As crazy as the Raiders’ season has been, they’ve found some diamonds in the rough, and hopefully, Moehrig starts getting more recognition for what he’s done in his rookie year."
"With all the bad press the Raiders have endured this season, it makes sense that anybody exceeding expectations on that team would get lost among all the headlines involving Gruden, Ruggs, or Arnette. The team’s first-round pick, offensive tackle Alex Leatherwood, has shown steady progression throughout the season as well. As crazy as the Raiders’ season has been, they’ve found some diamonds in the rough, and hopefully, Moehrig starts getting more recognition for what he’s done in his rookie year."
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