2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (1 Viewer)

[Stoneworker]

Edit to add: also, the Joker does not like it when teams get physical with him. He tends to respond with cheap shots (as he did to M Morris in the heats matchup with them in 2021). If he loses his cool and does something dumb, that benefits the heat. Just sayin.

While the overall "Miami should get more respect" perspective should get more attention, this comment is simply atrocious.

Jokic does just fine when teams try play "physical" against him while actually playing the game of basketball.

But when players get a running start and blindside him at half court in a complete non-basketball play, then yeah, that's gonna get a response.

 

[Gatorman]

But how do they let him go?

This is the big issue. They really can't let him walk and get nothing for him. Also, if he leaves as a free agent, that wouldn't help their cap situation any (they wouldn't gain any cap space and would still be over the cap). And they can't do a Supermax sign and trade (they couldn't trade him for two years). They could only trade him now with one year on his remaining contract and hope to get 50 cents on the dollar back in return. I am sure Brown would be exceedingly furious over that, as it would cost him $105M by not getting a Supermax.

Yea sounds like they are all stuck.

I understand why Brown would be upset but he simply is not worth that kind of money.

The NBA is what it is right now. How many players are worth close to 50% of the cap in any league? Next years cap is 134 mil with 162 mil being the tax level. You have to become better at "creating players" like the heat have done or getting "buyout guys" on the back end. There is no in between at this point.

I also think it comes down to the "culture": Max players also work on their game to get better. Giannis did. Can Brown?

 

[Gatorman]

Edit to add: also, the Joker does not like it when teams get physical with him. He tends to respond with cheap shots (as he did to M Morris in the heats matchup with them in 2021). If he loses his cool and does something dumb, that benefits the heat. Just sayin.

While the overall "Miami should get more respect" perspective should get more attention, this comment is simply atrocious.

Jokic does just fine when teams try play "physical" against him while actually playing the game of basketball.

But when players get a running start and blindside him at half court in a complete non-basketball play, then yeah, that's gonna get a response.

But it shouldn't. That's what the other players onthe team are for. Not your star.

 

[Kev4029]

Boston: Basically they need a better point guard. Someone to disribute the ball and set the tone. They also need an offensive game plan outside of "let our stars cook". They almost look like the Jordan Bulls before Phil got there. It's too easy to get them out of their flow when they aren't hitting.

MIami Vs Denver: Again, Miami getting no chance here. They are tired, they will be playing at altitude, etc etc etc. Vincent, Butler, Martin, and even Robinson have been playing great. Bam hasn't nor has Struss, and Tyler may or may not be a lift when he is ready to play, BUT, all the heat have to do is win one game in Denver and the narrative shifts. I agree witht he concept of make the Joker a scorer and not a facilitator. Give him his 40 and lets see how his legs feel in the 4th. Throw Love, Zeller, Yurt, and Bam at him (maybe even Highsmith) and Tire him out. Miami is not afraid to shoot and shoot and shoot.

Edit to add: also, the Joker does not like it when teams get physical with him. He tends to respond with cheap shots (as he did to M Morris in the heats matchup with them in 2021). If he loses his cool and does something dumb, that benefits the heat. Just sayin.

Again, someone can roll an ankle 2 plays in and change the entire series.

That wasn't "getting physical" with him, that was a dangerous cheap shot that lead to a more dangerous more cheap shot.

Also, the most overlooked skill that Jokic has is that he is arguably the best conditioned player in the league. I'm not worried about anybody tiring him out.

 

[the moops]

he NBA is what it is right now. How many players are worth close to 50% of the cap in any league? Next years cap is 134 mil with 162 mil being the tax level.

Brown's contract would be 43 million for the first year. A **** load of money, but nowhere near 50% of the cap

 

[Capella]

he NBA is what it is right now. How many players are worth close to 50% of the cap in any league? Next years cap is 134 mil with 162 mil being the tax level.

Brown's contract would be 43 million for the first year. A **** load of money, but nowhere near 50% of the cap

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1663556024912199680?s=46&t=ICx5zgfs3tFXUezBjAIfQQ

 

[Stoneworker]

Edit to add: also, the Joker does not like it when teams get physical with him. He tends to respond with cheap shots (as he did to M Morris in the heats matchup with them in 2021). If he loses his cool and does something dumb, that benefits the heat. Just sayin.

While the overall "Miami should get more respect" perspective should get more attention, this comment is simply atrocious.

Jokic does just fine when teams try play "physical" against him while actually playing the game of basketball.

But when players get a running start and blindside him at half court in a complete non-basketball play, then yeah, that's gonna get a response.

But it shouldn't. That's what the other players onthe team are for. Not your star.

Don't disagree with this, in general. Kind of like hockey.

However, even though the Joker responded disproportionately on that specific play, he was clearly sending a more long-term message that he's not some soft dough boy that unskilled players can take random blindside shots against.

Shaq, Chuck and Kenny can articulate it a lot better than I can beginning at about 0:40 of the attached clip.

Chuck and Shaq comment on Jokic/Morris incident

 

[gruecd]

Also, the most overlooked skill that Jokic has is that he is arguably the best conditioned player in the league.

Is this schtick?!

 

[John123]

Also, the most overlooked skill that Jokic has is that he is arguably the best conditioned player in the league.

Is this schtick?!

I don't know if he's the "best conditioned" player, but he's in good shape. Early in his career he wasn't but he has worked hard on that aspect of his game, and it shows.

 

[Gatorman]

he NBA is what it is right now. How many players are worth close to 50% of the cap in any league? Next years cap is 134 mil with 162 mil being the tax level.

Brown's contract would be 43 million for the first year. A **** load of money, but nowhere near 50% of the cap

43 and then tatum will be about the same / more. year 2 or 3 they will be 2/3 or 3/4 of the boston salary cap. Not saying that is a bad thing when you have great players, but they and the team need to have a plan to make THEM better and get a cast around them. I only know Miami and the idea here WAS get guys who wanted to play for the big 3 and get the big 3 to sacrifice some money to get rings. Now, Miami is "get some high priced guys but push them to be better and get guys that we can mold into solid players (without having the draft capital to do so)"

Boston is going have to develop the back end of their bench and waving bye bye to marginal (but good guys) like smart, williams and williams as their contracts come due.

 

[Kev4029]

Also, the most overlooked skill that Jokic has is that he is arguably the best conditioned player in the league.

Is this schtick?!

Not at all. Did you watch him beat Anthony Davis down the court on both ends for 4 games? The series winning shot was directly tied to him having way more legs left than the Lakers to blow past Davis on that drive.

He's not going to have the stamina of somebody like Curry or Ray Allen back in the day because he's nearly 7 feet tall and 275 lbs, but he is as well conditioned as anybody his size could possibly be. A common talking point of opposing bigs is that part of what makes him so difficult to guard is the fact that he has so much energy to bang in the post offensively, bang with them defensively, then sprint down the court on missed shots and turnovers.

 

[Kev4029]

he NBA is what it is right now. How many players are worth close to 50% of the cap in any league? Next years cap is 134 mil with 162 mil being the tax level.

Brown's contract would be 43 million for the first year. A **** load of money, but nowhere near 50% of the cap

43 and then tatum will be about the same / more. year 2 or 3 they will be 2/3 or 3/4 of the boston salary cap. Not saying that is a bad thing when you have great players, but they and the team need to have a plan to make THEM better and get a cast around them. I only know Miami and the idea here WAS get guys who wanted to play for the big 3 and get the big 3 to sacrifice some money to get rings. Now, Miami is "get some high priced guys but push them to be better and get guys that we can mold into solid players (without having the draft capital to do so)"

Boston is going have to develop the back end of their bench and waving bye bye to marginal (but good guys) like smart, williams and williams as their contracts come due.

By definition, the supermax is 35% of the cap in the first year with up to 8% raises by year. The cap is also going to see a very significant increase over the next 4 years or so as the new TV deal is signed which will outpace those 8% raises, so their share of the cap will likely decline through the life of their contracts.

 

[msudaisy26]

It is sizzling in here with these takes.

 

[Yo Mama]

Golden State’s offseason was already going to be interesting, and even more so now with Bob Myers stepping down.

 

[Kev4029]

Golden State’s offseason was already going to be interesting, and even more so now with Bob Myers stepping down.

I wonder if Kerr might be interested in going back to a front office role.

 

[Tau837]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

 

[Jayrod]

Also, the most overlooked skill that Jokic has is that he is arguably the best conditioned player in the league.

Is this schtick?!

Not at all. Did you watch him beat Anthony Davis down the court on both ends for 4 games? The series winning shot was directly tied to him having way more legs left than the Lakers to blow past Davis on that drive.

He's not going to have the stamina of somebody like Curry or Ray Allen back in the day because he's nearly 7 feet tall and 275 lbs, but he is as well conditioned as anybody his size could possibly be. A common talking point of opposing bigs is that part of what makes him so difficult to guard is the fact that he has so much energy to bang in the post offensively, bang with them defensively, then sprint down the court on missed shots and turnovers.

I would say that Jokic is both in really good shape, but he is also efficient in his movement.

He doesn't waste a lot of steps or energy throughout a game on either end. For a big, he also spends a lot of time above the FT line on offense and never gets very wide on the wing or goes to the corners.

 

[Kev4029]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

Of note, the Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green Warriors and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat wouldn't have been directly affected by this cap change. Trading for a third big star would be nearly impossible, but both building internally and signing big players with cap space is kind of unaffected.

What it will kill is high priced dynasties like the current Warriors or the Bucks.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Chuck and Shaq comment on Jokic/Morris incident

Barkley at 1:57.

 

[The Gator]

Edit to add: also, the Joker does not like it when teams get physical with him. He tends to respond with cheap shots (as he did to M Morris in the heats matchup with them in 2021). If he loses his cool and does something dumb, that benefits the heat. Just sayin.

While the overall "Miami should get more respect" perspective should get more attention, this comment is simply atrocious.

Jokic does just fine when teams try play "physical" against him while actually playing the game of basketball.

But when players get a running start and blindside him at half court in a complete non-basketball play, then yeah, that's gonna get a response.

But it shouldn't. That's what the other players onthe team are for. Not your star.

Don't disagree with this, in general. Kind of like hockey.

However, even though the Joker responded disproportionately on that specific play, he was clearly sending a more long-term message that he's not some soft dough boy that unskilled players can take random blindside shots against.

Shaq, Chuck and Kenny can articulate it a lot better than I can beginning at about 0:40 of the attached clip.

Chuck and Shaq comment on Jokic/Morris incident

"It's called retaliation. If you hit me, don't turn around." /Shaq

 

[Moe.]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

They were way off on how it would impact teams like OKC though, which made me question everything else they had to say on the topic. Not sure that is their bread and butter

 

[thecatch]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

Of note, the Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green Warriors and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat wouldn't have been directly affected by this cap change. Trading for a third big star would be nearly impossible, but both building internally and signing big players with cap space is kind of unaffected.

What it will kill is high priced dynasties like the current Warriors or the Bucks.

I’m not sure I’m following? Once you get above the second apron you can’t use the taxpayer MLE and you have a bunch of trade and signing restrictions (eg, no signing buyout guys), draft pick penalties, etc. it doesn’t really matter if you got there by re-signing your own players or not.

 

[Stoneworker]

Chuck and Shaq comment on Jokic/Morris incident

Barkley at 1:57.

"It's called retaliation. If you hit me, don't turn around." /Shaq

I fail to see the problem.

 

[Kev4029]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

Of note, the Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green Warriors and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat wouldn't have been directly affected by this cap change. Trading for a third big star would be nearly impossible, but both building internally and signing big players with cap space is kind of unaffected.

What it will kill is high priced dynasties like the current Warriors or the Bucks.

I’m not sure I’m following? Once you get above the second apron you can’t use the taxpayer MLE and you have a bunch of trade and signing restrictions (eg, no signing buyout guys), draft pick penalties, etc. it doesn’t really matter if you got there by re-signing your own players or not.

The Durant era Warriors and the Big 3 Heat worked under the cap, they didn't get anywhere near the tax line initially. So the idea of a big three like they built isn't affected.

WRT to building internally, going above the second apron limits your ability to improve externally, but you could continue to resign anybody you have bird rights on. Team's abilities to do that are unaffected, its all the external abilities that you mentioned that are affected. That isn't to say this isn't going to change how teams operate, just that it won't eliminate roster building.

I image the Durant-Suns trade, the Bucks signing Ingles, all of the dumb **** that the Clippers have been doing, and the Lakers Westbrook for Beasley/Vanderbilt/Russell trade would be affected, but the general building of the Nuggets/Heat/Celtics/Sixers would be unaffected.

This whole change is very directly in response to the Clippers going ****ing bonkers with spending to get all these 9th men and the Warriors going way above the tax last year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

 

[The Gator]

Chuck and Shaq comment on Jokic/Morris incident

Barkley at 1:57.

"It's called retaliation. If you hit me, don't turn around." /Shaq

I fail to see the problem.

Did my post indicate a problem? I thought it was great l

 

[identikit]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

They were way off on how it would impact teams like OKC though, which made me question everything else they had to say on the topic. Not sure that is their bread and butter

Simmons was doing most of the talking, seemed to me.

Russillo doesn't hesitate to step in when Simmons is wrong about things, but I dont think that he really knows how it all works.

 

[Stoneworker]

"It's called retaliation. If you hit me, don't turn around." /Shaq

I fail to see the problem.

Did my post indicate a problem? I thought it was great l

My bad. I agree. Carry on.

 

[thecatch]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

Of note, the Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green Warriors and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat wouldn't have been directly affected by this cap change. Trading for a third big star would be nearly impossible, but both building internally and signing big players with cap space is kind of unaffected.

What it will kill is high priced dynasties like the current Warriors or the Bucks.

I’m not sure I’m following? Once you get above the second apron you can’t use the taxpayer MLE and you have a bunch of trade and signing restrictions (eg, no signing buyout guys), draft pick penalties, etc. it doesn’t really matter if you got there by re-signing your own players or not.

The Durant era Warriors and the Big 3 Heat worked under the cap, they didn't get anywhere near the tax line initially. So the idea of a big three like they built isn't affected.

WRT to building internally, going above the second apron limits your ability to improve externally, but you could continue to resign anybody you have bird rights on. Team's abilities to do that are unaffected, its all the external abilities that you mentioned that are affected. That isn't to say this isn't going to change how teams operate, just that it won't eliminate roster building.

I image the Durant-Suns trade, the Bucks signing Ingles, all of the dumb **** that the Clippers have been doing, and the Lakers Westbrook for Beasley/Vanderbilt/Russell trade would be affected, but the general building of the Nuggets/Heat/Celtics/Sixers would be unaffected.

This whole change is very directly in response to the Clippers going ****ing bonkers with spending to get all these 9th men and the Warriors going way above the tax last year.

If you go above the apron you can still re-sign your players with Bird rights, but there are pretty devastating consequences in terms of your draft picks and ability to manage your roster. So I disagree that it doesn’t impact teams that are just re-signing their own guys.

 

[mr. furley]

Edit to add: also, the Joker does not like it when teams get physical with him. He tends to respond with cheap shots (as he did to M Morris in the heats matchup with them in 2021). If he loses his cool and does something dumb, that benefits the heat. Just sayin.

While the overall "Miami should get more respect" perspective should get more attention, this comment is simply atrocious.

Jokic does just fine when teams try play "physical" against him while actually playing the game of basketball.

But when players get a running start and blindside him at half court in a complete non-basketball play, then yeah, that's gonna get a response.

But it shouldn't. That's what the other players onthe team are for. Not your star.

Don't disagree with this, in general. Kind of like hockey.

However, even though the Joker responded disproportionately on that specific play, he was clearly sending a more long-term message that he's not some soft dough boy that unskilled players can take random blindside shots against.

Shaq, Chuck and Kenny can articulate it a lot better than I can beginning at about 0:40 of the attached clip.

Chuck and Shaq comment on Jokic/Morris incident

"It's called retaliation. If you hit me, don't turn around." /Shaq

that montage of Barkley running away from people was pretty, pretty funny

 

[mr. furley]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

They were way off on how it would impact teams like OKC though, which made me question everything else they had to say on the topic. Not sure that is their bread and butter

Simmons was doing most of the talking, seemed to me.

Russillo doesn't hesitate to step in when Simmons is wrong about things, but I dont think that he really knows how it all works.

Russillo mentioned on another podcast that he hasn't absorbed all the changes to the CBA yet. seems there's a lot to it.

how anyone whose job isn't specifically to know the CBA inside and out understands trade ramifications, contracts, etc. is beyond me.

 

[thecatch]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

They were way off on how it would impact teams like OKC though, which made me question everything else they had to say on the topic. Not sure that is their bread and butter

I would not even be a little bit surprised that they flubbed the details, but what were they off on specifically?

 

[msudaisy26]

The NBA really needs to fix the free agency/cap thing. I don't know what the answer is, but there has to be a better way than everyone going into the luxury tax to keep their own players and if they do let someone walk not having anyway to replace that player unless it is a sign and trade.

 

[SoBeDad]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

And we still keep our #18 draft pick. This ain't the NFL.

Butler was a #30 pick, Herro #13, and Bam #14, Strus, Martin, and Vincent not even draft. Who needs the draft? It might be hard to keep both Gabe Vincent and Strus in 2023-2024.

 

[Gatorman]

The NBA really needs to fix the free agency/cap thing. I don't know what the answer is, but there has to be a better way than everyone going into the luxury tax to keep their own players and if they do let someone walk not having anyway to replace that player unless it is a sign and trade.

To be fair to the NBA, I'm not sure there is a way, and on top of that, what professional league has a cap system that you say "works"? They all have their pluses and minuses, but they exist so the owners can save themselves from being "too" stupid with their money. The new CBA was designed to addess the fact some of the "new money" in the league doesn't care about throwing money at their shiny toy to get a ring, and some of the other owners don't want to have to get into a bidding war or deal with financial "super teams" that don't care about the repeater tax.

 

[Gatorman]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

And we still keep our #18 draft pick. This ain't the NFL.

Butler was a #30 pick, Herro #13, and Bam #14, Strus, Martin, and Vincent not even draft. Who needs the draft? It might be hard to keep both Gabe Vincent and Strus in 2023-2024.

18 for miami will be interesting. With the "jimmy" window still being open and them having taken Jovic last year I wonder what they decide to do. They do need to get a little bigger and this denver series may crystalize that for them, but Spo is more of a "small ball" coach.

 

[Kev4029]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

Of note, the Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green Warriors and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat wouldn't have been directly affected by this cap change. Trading for a third big star would be nearly impossible, but both building internally and signing big players with cap space is kind of unaffected.

What it will kill is high priced dynasties like the current Warriors or the Bucks.

I’m not sure I’m following? Once you get above the second apron you can’t use the taxpayer MLE and you have a bunch of trade and signing restrictions (eg, no signing buyout guys), draft pick penalties, etc. it doesn’t really matter if you got there by re-signing your own players or not.

The Durant era Warriors and the Big 3 Heat worked under the cap, they didn't get anywhere near the tax line initially. So the idea of a big three like they built isn't affected.

WRT to building internally, going above the second apron limits your ability to improve externally, but you could continue to resign anybody you have bird rights on. Team's abilities to do that are unaffected, its all the external abilities that you mentioned that are affected. That isn't to say this isn't going to change how teams operate, just that it won't eliminate roster building.

I image the Durant-Suns trade, the Bucks signing Ingles, all of the dumb **** that the Clippers have been doing, and the Lakers Westbrook for Beasley/Vanderbilt/Russell trade would be affected, but the general building of the Nuggets/Heat/Celtics/Sixers would be unaffected.

This whole change is very directly in response to the Clippers going ****ing bonkers with spending to get all these 9th men and the Warriors going way above the tax last year.

If you go above the apron you can still re-sign your players with Bird rights, but there are pretty devastating consequences in terms of your draft picks and ability to manage your roster. So I disagree that it doesn’t impact teams that are just re-signing their own guys.

I agree with what you are saying - I was just saying that a lot of the teams that have built title contenders are below that 2nd apron so the way they have built their current teams would have been unaffected. Teams are going to mostly treat the 2nd apron as a hard cap.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

They were way off on how it would impact teams like OKC though, which made me question everything else they had to say on the topic. Not sure that is their bread and butter

Simmons was doing most of the talking, seemed to me.

Russillo doesn't hesitate to step in when Simmons is wrong about things, but I dont think that he really knows how it all works.

Russillo mentioned on another podcast that he hasn't absorbed all the changes to the CBA yet. seems there's a lot to it.

how anyone whose job isn't specifically to know the CBA inside and out understands trade ramifications, contracts, etc. is beyond me.

I was thinking there might be a "Reset" this summer or players/teams working together to build the next super team vs we have seen some quality teams like Milwaukee, Denver and Miami this year that are not built on 3 stars but more of a cohesive overall team. Sounds like the NBA also does not want to make it easy for teams to go on a dynasty run.

I have very little beef with what Golden State has done of late, most of it was with their core team, yes the KD titles were easier with him but overall you tip your cap.
I do not want to see a league where KD, Lebron, Lillard and keep writing in All Star caliber players into 4 of the 5 starting spots and none of them were even drafted by the team signing them all.
Miami went out and won a couple title by doing the 3-star thing and many NBA fans disliked them for doing it.
If Miami were to see this all the way through, you could argue it's a much greater feat than what the Heat for 4 years with LeBron.

1 more thing, the hard part for Boston is mostly over, acquiring the talent!
That is the most difficult thing to do IMHO, they shouldn't be discussing salaries or these $300M Max Deals, that's what the free market allows or says they are worth, end of story.
Brown or what? It's not just watch Jaylen Brown walk out the door and keep Tatum, that's silly talk. Teams will pay those supermax deals even if Boston is unwilling
1 game does not make a contract, the overall body of work has been impressive, not sure why the media and fans are all mesmerized by what should be an easy decision.
The owners will never miss the money, it's not the fans' money, why do people care about these salaries so much?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

And we still keep our #18 draft pick. This ain't the NFL.

Butler was a #30 pick, Herro #13, and Bam #14, Strus, Martin, and Vincent not even draft. Who needs the draft? It might be hard to keep both Gabe Vincent and Strus in 2023-2024.

18 for miami will be interesting. With the "jimmy" window still being open and them having taken Jovic last year I wonder what they decide to do. They do need to get a little bigger and this denver series may crystalize that for them, but Spo is more of a "small ball" coach.

Damian Lillard is a guy I would love to see wear a Heat uniform.
Guy rarely complains and is always said to be a hard worker. Feel like it would be a terrific run if he were here.

 

[General Malaise]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

And we still keep our #18 draft pick. This ain't the NFL.

Butler was a #30 pick, Herro #13, and Bam #14, Strus, Martin, and Vincent not even draft. Who needs the draft? It might be hard to keep both Gabe Vincent and Strus in 2023-2024.

18 for miami will be interesting. With the "jimmy" window still being open and them having taken Jovic last year I wonder what they decide to do. They do need to get a little bigger and this denver series may crystalize that for them, but Spo is more of a "small ball" coach.

Damian Lillard is a guy I would love to see wear a Heat uniform.
Guy rarely complains and is always said to be a hard worker. Feel like it would be a terrific run if he were here.

And what pray tell is Miami giving up to get Lillard?

 

[msudaisy26]

The NBA really needs to fix the free agency/cap thing. I don't know what the answer is, but there has to be a better way than everyone going into the luxury tax to keep their own players and if they do let someone walk not having anyway to replace that player unless it is a sign and trade.

To be fair to the NBA, I'm not sure there is a way, and on top of that, what professional league has a cap system that you say "works"? They all have their pluses and minuses, but they exist so the owners can save themselves from being "too" stupid with their money. The new CBA was designed to addess the fact some of the "new money" in the league doesn't care about throwing money at their shiny toy to get a ring, and some of the other owners don't want to have to get into a bidding war or deal with financial "super teams" that don't care about the repeater tax.

I agree there is no perfect way and they all have flaws, but there has to be a better way because I would argue the NBA cap system is the worst in the 4 major sports.

 

[FatMax]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

And we still keep our #18 draft pick. This ain't the NFL.

Butler was a #30 pick, Herro #13, and Bam #14, Strus, Martin, and Vincent not even draft. Who needs the draft? It might be hard to keep both Gabe Vincent and Strus in 2023-2024.

18 for miami will be interesting. With the "jimmy" window still being open and them having taken Jovic last year I wonder what they decide to do. They do need to get a little bigger and this denver series may crystalize that for them, but Spo is more of a "small ball" coach.

Damian Lillard is a guy I would love to see wear a Heat uniform.
Guy rarely complains and is always said to be a hard worker. Feel like it would be a terrific run if he were here.

And what pray tell is Miami giving up to get Lillard?

Who knows, but I bet they're undrafted.

 

[General Malaise]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

And we still keep our #18 draft pick. This ain't the NFL.

Butler was a #30 pick, Herro #13, and Bam #14, Strus, Martin, and Vincent not even draft. Who needs the draft? It might be hard to keep both Gabe Vincent and Strus in 2023-2024.

18 for miami will be interesting. With the "jimmy" window still being open and them having taken Jovic last year I wonder what they decide to do. They do need to get a little bigger and this denver series may crystalize that for them, but Spo is more of a "small ball" coach.

Damian Lillard is a guy I would love to see wear a Heat uniform.
Guy rarely complains and is always said to be a hard worker. Feel like it would be a terrific run if he were here.

And what pray tell is Miami giving up to get Lillard?

Who knows, but I bet they're undrafted.

WHO SAYS NO TO THAT????

 

[thecatch]

The NBA really needs to fix the free agency/cap thing. I don't know what the answer is, but there has to be a better way than everyone going into the luxury tax to keep their own players and if they do let someone walk not having anyway to replace that player unless it is a sign and trade.

To be fair to the NBA, I'm not sure there is a way, and on top of that, what professional league has a cap system that you say "works"? They all have their pluses and minuses, but they exist so the owners can save themselves from being "too" stupid with their money. The new CBA was designed to addess the fact some of the "new money" in the league doesn't care about throwing money at their shiny toy to get a ring, and some of the other owners don't want to have to get into a bidding war or deal with financial "super teams" that don't care about the repeater tax.

I agree there is no perfect way and they all have flaws, but there has to be a better way because I would argue the NBA cap system is the worst in the 4 major sports.

I’ve long thought that the only way for the NBA to get long term competitive balance (a desirable goal, in my view) would be it have a hard cap and no max contracts. We’re not quite there, but the second apron will probably be a functional hard cap and these super max contracts are doing a better job of approximating the value of franchise players and paying them accordingly. So I think this latest CBA is progress.

 

[trader jake]

there has to be a better way because I would argue the NBA cap system is the worst in the 4 major sports.

No doubt. The NBA salary structure is overly complex, so very few people understand it. You need a Master's Degree in capology to keep up with the constant changes, loopholes, and mechanisms. Even then it doesn't really jive with anything that makes sense as a sports fan.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why is Scottie Pippen whining so much still about The Last Dance basically? He wasn't painted really in a bad light. So what if it was mostly MJ worshipping? Now he was a "horrible player" prior to Pippen being drafted?

 

[msudaisy26]

The NBA really needs to fix the free agency/cap thing. I don't know what the answer is, but there has to be a better way than everyone going into the luxury tax to keep their own players and if they do let someone walk not having anyway to replace that player unless it is a sign and trade.

To be fair to the NBA, I'm not sure there is a way, and on top of that, what professional league has a cap system that you say "works"? They all have their pluses and minuses, but they exist so the owners can save themselves from being "too" stupid with their money. The new CBA was designed to addess the fact some of the "new money" in the league doesn't care about throwing money at their shiny toy to get a ring, and some of the other owners don't want to have to get into a bidding war or deal with financial "super teams" that don't care about the repeater tax.

I agree there is no perfect way and they all have flaws, but there has to be a better way because I would argue the NBA cap system is the worst in the 4 major sports.

I’ve long thought that the only way for the NBA to get long term competitive balance (a desirable goal, in my view) would be it have a hard cap and no max contracts. We’re not quite there, but the second apron will probably be a functional hard cap and these super max contracts are doing a better job of approximating the value of franchise players and paying them accordingly. So I think this latest CBA is progress.

I think a hard cap would help, but I don't know enough about the cap in all sports to go in depth how it would fix the NBA problem.

The majority of teams have to do sign and trades to sign big money free agents, teams almost feel compelled to resign their players because they can't replace him with a player even close in skill level in free agency. It would one thing if there were a couple of teams that had a problem and abused the cap, but like 80 percent of the league has this problem.

 

[General Malaise]

Why is Scottie Pippen whining so much still about The Last Dance basically? He wasn't painted really in a bad light. So what if it was mostly MJ worshipping? Now he was a "horrible player" prior to Pippen being drafted?

I mean......MJ's son is boinking Pippen's ex-wife sooooooo.....I think he mad.

 

[Kev4029]

Why is Scottie Pippen whining so much still about The Last Dance basically? He wasn't painted really in a bad light. So what if it was mostly MJ worshipping? Now he was a "horrible player" prior to Pippen being drafted?

1. Jordan's kid is banging Pippen's ex wife.
2. The Last Dance was produced, in part, by Jordan. It really did seem to kind of minimize Pippen's role in Jordan's success, IMO.
3. Pippen is a whiny *****.

 

[Tau837]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

Of note, the Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green Warriors and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat wouldn't have been directly affected by this cap change. Trading for a third big star would be nearly impossible, but both building internally and signing big players with cap space is kind of unaffected.

What it will kill is high priced dynasties like the current Warriors or the Bucks.

On the bolded, one of the examples discussed was the Thunder having accumulated so many high picks and the fact that this system would prevent them from keeping all of them if they draft enough legit top players. Their discussion suggested that the new rules would discourage to some extent the paths that some teams have taken to obtain a lot of high picks, whether by tanking or via trades.