2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)

[Kev4029]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

Of note, the Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green Warriors and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh Heat wouldn't have been directly affected by this cap change. Trading for a third big star would be nearly impossible, but both building internally and signing big players with cap space is kind of unaffected.

What it will kill is high priced dynasties like the current Warriors or the Bucks.

On the bolded, one of the examples discussed was the Thunder having accumulated so many high picks and the fact that this system would prevent them from keeping all of them if they draft enough legit top players. Their discussion suggested that the new rules would discourage to some extent the paths that some teams have taken to obtain a lot of high picks, whether by tanking or via trades.

That would be true anyway, the Thunder were never going to have a $200M cap sheet if everybody hits. If the worry is that they have too much expensive top end talent, there are always teams willing to trade four quarters for a dollar.

I think the inverse of their argument might be more of a factor - teams are going to be a little more reluctant to trade their picks for high priced players because building more internally will be a more fiscally appropriate thing to do. Again, that is probably true already as well - three of the four teams in the conference finals built a team internally and made some secondary moves to fill in gaps, but I think it's probably even more true with the new cap rules.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Why is Scottie Pippen whining so much still about The Last Dance basically? He wasn't painted really in a bad light. So what if it was mostly MJ worshipping? Now he was a "horrible player" prior to Pippen being drafted?

From listening to the whole interview the other day, I think this is completely overblown. Scottie’s point was that MJ wasn’t the best teammate and took awhile before he learned how to make his teammates better and start winning. Scottie is being hyperbolic, for sure, but this take was certainly quite common in the late 80s.

 

[Deamon]

Sixers went from a Doc to a Nurse.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why is Scottie Pippen whining so much still about The Last Dance basically? He wasn't painted really in a bad light. So what if it was mostly MJ worshipping? Now he was a "horrible player" prior to Pippen being drafted?

From listening to the whole interview the other day, I think this is completely overblown. Scottie’s point was that MJ wasn’t the best teammate and took awhile before he learned how to make his teammates better and start winning. Scottie is being hyperbolic, for sure, but this take was certainly quite common in the late 80s.

I thought that too -- but then he had some kind of doubling down via social media too.

 

[Moe.]

Listened to Simmons and Russillo discuss all of the new CBA cap changes. Based on their discussion, it sounds like it will significantly change things. They rattled off several recent trades and signings as examples that would no longer be possible starting next year. They said (paraphrasing) it will no longer be possible to build a roster with 3 stars. Surprised I haven't heard more about this.

They were way off on how it would impact teams like OKC though, which made me question everything else they had to say on the topic. Not sure that is their bread and butter

I would not even be a little bit surprised that they flubbed the details, but what were they off on specifically?

Not that they got the details wrong, I just don’t think they have wrapped their head around the implications just yet. He used the Thunder as an example of a team who were going to get screwed by the new CBA, and was flabbergasted that the Thunder voted for it, but I do not see it that way at all. The punitive measures introduced to teams above that second apron take away tools that franchises like the Thunder don’t even use. It’s the destination markets who trade away their picks who will be impacted the most. Teams that have draft picks and build their roster that way are going to be fine, there will just be more tax involved.

The addition of another two-way contract and the new contracts that teams can offer 2nd round picks will impact the Thunder more than anything else in the new CBA, and those are both positive.

 

[SWC]

I dont see what everyone loves about Tatum. Very good player with poor body language. Lays down after pretending to be fouled and he looks very slow to me. Almost as slow as Paul Pierce was.

I would in no way, shape or form build a team around him.

He averaged 30.1p/8.8r/4.6a per game and was 1st team all-NBA for the second year in a row. He has played in the Eastern Conference Finals in all but like 2 seasons of his career and is only 25 years old. He was still the best player on the floor for either team in the Heat series. He is closer to a James Harden/Russell Westbrook level than your MJ/Lebron/Kobe level but he gives you a better chance to win a title than all but a handful of players.

The only guys I would definitely take over him right now are Jokic, Giannis & Doncic. Embiid & SGA are close, but Embiid gets hurt too much and has never even led his team to the ECF, much less the Finals and SGA has only had 1 great season. Guys like LeBron, Durant and even Curry on the decline. Guys like Young, Booker & Mitchell just aren't as complete or good as Tatum.

He really is a top 5 guy. Who else has better "body language" at that level? Curry, Durant & LeBron are all-time greats and Tatum will not be there, but Harden/Westbrook are pretty apt comparisons...guys that can get you on the doorstep, but can't finish the job.

i hate poopbeard james harden and i dont think tatum is to prime poopbeard level he just doesnt seem to take over important games like old pooper used to but that is just me talking take that to the bank brohan

 

[msudaisy26]

We can thank the Celtics for at least giving basketball for an extra week.

 

[Gr00vus]

Update on the analytics models that had the Celtics winning the championship?

 

[identikit]

Update on the analytics models that had the Celtics winning the championship?

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

 

[TripleThreat]

Can't underestimate Spo and this Heat team to find a way ... all those close games with the 4th most missed time prepped them for this.
Admittedly biased but count them out write them off, they don't care.
Let's go Heat!

 

[msudaisy26]

https://sportsnaut.com/game-7-miami-heat-boston-celtics-ticket-prices/

Minimum of 700 dollars per ticket and up to 35,000 for court side. Could you imagine paying that kind of money to see that performance?

 

[identikit]

https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/top-stories/game-7-most-expensive-celtics-tickets-ever-outside-of-nba-final

Minimum of 700 dollars per ticket and up to 35,000 for court side. Could you imagine paying that kind of money to see that performance?

Oy

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Boston season ended on the 1st play of Game 7
Miami fortunate to be in the Finals, should be playing with house money
Go Heat!

And we still keep our #18 draft pick. This ain't the NFL.

Butler was a #30 pick, Herro #13, and Bam #14, Strus, Martin, and Vincent not even draft. Who needs the draft? It might be hard to keep both Gabe Vincent and Strus in 2023-2024.

18 for miami will be interesting. With the "jimmy" window still being open and them having taken Jovic last year I wonder what they decide to do. They do need to get a little bigger and this denver series may crystalize that for them, but Spo is more of a "small ball" coach.

Damian Lillard is a guy I would love to see wear a Heat uniform.
Guy rarely complains and is always said to be a hard worker. Feel like it would be a terrific run if he were here.

And what pray tell is Miami giving up to get Lillard?

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

Tyler Herro is expected to return by game 3 of the Finals, there are different scenarios where I would prefer they not rush him back.
If Miami does what many expect and drop both games in Denver, then by all means let Herro enter the Series but if they split or somehow pull the impossible in the first couple games, I would simply leave Herro on the bench.

 

[Capella]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

 

[mr. furley]

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[Kev4029]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

I don't think that "Heat Culture" is a tradeable asset with the new CBA.

 

[Capella]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

 

[identikit]

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Sounds like a rabid secretion

 

[Jayrod]

https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/top-stories/game-7-most-expensive-celtics-tickets-ever-outside-of-nba-final

Minimum of 700 dollars per ticket and up to 35,000 for court side. Could you imagine paying that kind of money to see that performance?

Nothing like shelling out a house payment just to see Jaylen Brown urinate down his leg.

FYI: Link is brokened...just like my heart

 

[Ministry of Pain]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

 

[Zow]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

Yeah... from Miami fans who think that "Heat Culture" is a tangible trade asset.

 

[Kev4029]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

 

[Anarchy99]

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

The phenomena known as Heat Culture that won 3 titles in 8 years (now 10 seasons ago) essentially boiled down to a team that rostered 6 likely HOF players in Wade, Shaq, Payton, James, Allen, and Bosch across those teams. So sure, if Heat Culture means loading up on HOF level players, then sure, that's a thing. Since then, they have probably outperformed some and advanced further than expected some seasons. Spoelstra is an excellent coach, but I would call them a scrappy team that plays hard more than anything else.

 

[Juxtatarot]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

If the Blazers decided to rebuild (they won’t), I think that would be more than enough for an old, declining star on a huge contract. Martin could be flipped for a decent return. Heat have plenty of salary filler.

 

[Capella]

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture

Lebron found D Wade and prime Chris Bosh. Come on already.

 

[Capella]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

If the Blazers decided to rebuild (they won’t), I think that would be more than enough for an old, declining star on a huge contract. Martin could be flipped for a decent return. Heat have plenty of salary filler.

Multiple teams could beat that offer.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

The phenomena known as Heat Culture that won 3 titles in 8 years (now 10 seasons ago) essentially boiled down to a team that rostered 6 likely HOF players in Wade, Shaq, Payton, James, Allen, and Bosch across those teams. So sure, if Heat Culture means loading up on HOF level players, then sure, that's a thing. Since then, they have probably outperformed some and advanced further than expected some seasons. Spoelstra is an excellent coach, but I would call them a scrappy team that plays hard more than anything else.

They have this guy who runs the team named Pat Riley
They have a Head Coach who LeBron wanted fired when he first landed but rode the storm and won titles that others couldn't.
The FO is loaded with guys who are former players like Zo
I respect how easy it is for you to dismiss the last 8-10 years here but I think it's incredible they have been playing in the ECF 3 of 4 years and advanced to the Finals twice now with a roster that is not chock full of Hall of Fame players.
The Heat have a system, doesn't always bring home a trophy but they are not usually the laughing stock of the NBA
I forget how many draft picks Miami forfeited when they signed LeBron but it took a long time to dig out of that, the Hassan Whiteside years were brutal.

ESPN computer says Miami has less than an 8% chance to win the Finals, it's them against the World

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture

Lebron found D Wade and prime Chris Bosh. Come on already.

Lebron found his jedi-master in Pat Riley and used his knowledge to go back and run the Cavaliers for 4 seasons
That's how I remember it anyways

 

[Ministry of Pain]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

If the Blazers decided to rebuild (they won’t), I think that would be more than enough for an old, declining star on a huge contract. Martin could be flipped for a decent return. Heat have plenty of salary filler.

Multiple teams could beat that offer.

But they don't have Heat Culture

 

[Juxtatarot]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

If the Blazers decided to rebuild (they won’t), I think that would be more than enough for an old, declining star on a huge contract. Martin could be flipped for a decent return. Heat have plenty of salary filler.

Multiple teams could beat that offer.

Why would they want do? I guess I just see too much of an albatross contract risk with Dame.

 

[Juxtatarot]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

If the Blazers decided to rebuild (they won’t), I think that would be more than enough for an old, declining star on a huge contract. Martin could be flipped for a decent return. Heat have plenty of salary filler.

Multiple teams could beat that offer.

But they don't have Heat Culture

It’s an attractive destination if a star were to demand a trade. Usually they have a short list of teams.

 

[thecatch]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

Per RealGM the 2025 pick Miami owes to OKC is protected and could roll into 2026, so the next soonest pick they could deal would be 2028, I believe.

 

[AAABatteries]

Nothing like shelling out a house payment just to see Jaylen Brown urinate down his leg.

Hey, some people are willing to pay good money for that kind of thing - no judgement here.

 

[Kev4029]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

Per RealGM the 2025 pick Miami owes to OKC is protected and could roll into 2026, so the next soonest pick they could deal would be 2028, I believe.

When trades are made after protected picks like that, they just call the pick "next available", so that would apply to the 2027 pick and 2029 pick. By the draft, I think 2030 picks would be available, so the '29 pick would have a backup of '30.

 

[msudaisy26]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

I hope Miami fans don't start sounding like Laker fans with these trade offers.



What do you mean the Nets wouldn't take Westbrook and a 2357 first for Kyrie.

 

[Gatorman]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami usually gets the guy who wants to come here. If Lillard wanted to be here, Miami could make that happen. If Lillard doesn't care about where he goes, then Miami doesn't have the assests.

So, Assuming DL wants to be on the heat... This years pick (they would convey during the draft and pick the player portland wants); Likely 2 more after that. Anyone not named butler or bam. I'm sure Herro, Duncan, Strus, Martin, Vincent would all be in play (Vincent is a RFA but the heat could tender him). Miami would want to keep Martin but I do see them putting him in the deal after this playoff run he has had.

Would the heat part with Bam? I really doubt it unless they got a big back who can at least defend.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/top-stories/game-7-most-expensive-celtics-tickets-ever-outside-of-nba-final

Minimum of 700 dollars per ticket and up to 35,000 for court side. Could you imagine paying that kind of money to see that performance?

Nothing like shelling out a house payment just to see Jaylen Brown urinate down his leg.

FYI: Link is brokened...just like my heart

I feel like all live sports events, concerts, most entertainment where you part with money is overpriced across the board.
One ticket to the Miami Dolphins easily will cost you $300-$500 on any Sunday for a decent seat.
Most decent seats are at least $100 a piece face value to almost any of these events and a lot more if you want actually see it up close.

Hard to beat a large flat screen at home with your beer and alcohol preferences already in the fridge and on tap, your food is usually better than what you buy at the game.
How do you justify it and yet we do at times or for certain sports/events.
Try going to an F1 event

 

[thecatch]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

Per RealGM the 2025 pick Miami owes to OKC is protected and could roll into 2026, so the next soonest pick they could deal would be 2028, I believe.

When trades are made after protected picks like that, they just call the pick "next available", so that would apply to the 2027 pick and 2029 pick. By the draft, I think 2030 picks would be available, so the '29 pick would have a backup of '30.

I was under the impression that the trade had to specify the year of the pick being conveyed and Larry Coon's CBA FAQ seems to support that ("Except for pick protection and the one-time option to defer the conveyance of a pick as described above, trades must specify the precise year in which a pick is to be conveyed."). Edit: never mind, it looks like you can condition the pick conveyance on being first available as long as that first available will convey within 7 years (https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/how-teams-get-around-the-stepien-rule/). I learn something new every day.

 

[Capella]

Miami usually gets the guy who wants to come here.

You got Lebron and Bosh and post-prime Shaq this way. Please relax. You aren’t the Lakers. Your current team is being led by a guy who has never been first-team all-nba and 15 undrafted guys who figured out they could shoot for 6 weeks.

 

[msudaisy26]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami usually gets the guy who wants to come here. If Lillard wanted to be here, Miami could make that happen. If Lillard doesn't care about where he goes, then Miami doesn't have the assests.

So, Assuming DL wants to be on the heat... This years pick (they would convey during the draft and pick the player portland wants); Likely 2 more after that. Anyone not named butler or bam. I'm sure Herro, Duncan, Strus, Martin, Vincent would all be in play (Vincent is a RFA but the heat could tender him). Miami would want to keep Martin but I do see them putting him in the deal after this playoff run he has had.

Would the heat part with Bam? I really doubt it unless they got a big back who can at least defend.

No one wants Bam

 

[identikit]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

If the Blazers decided to rebuild (they won’t), I think that would be more than enough for an old, declining star on a huge contract. Martin could be flipped for a decent return. Heat have plenty of salary filler.

No one wants the Blazer culture

 

[Anarchy99]

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

The phenomena known as Heat Culture that won 3 titles in 8 years (now 10 seasons ago) essentially boiled down to a team that rostered 6 likely HOF players in Wade, Shaq, Payton, James, Allen, and Bosch across those teams. So sure, if Heat Culture means loading up on HOF level players, then sure, that's a thing. Since then, they have probably outperformed some and advanced further than expected some seasons. Spoelstra is an excellent coach, but I would call them a scrappy team that plays hard more than anything else.

They have this guy who runs the team named Pat Riley
They have a Head Coach who LeBron wanted fired when he first landed but rode the storm and won titles that others couldn't.
The FO is loaded with guys who are former players like Zo
I respect how easy it is for you to dismiss the last 8-10 years here but I think it's incredible they have been playing in the ECF 3 of 4 years and advanced to the Finals twice now with a roster that is not chock full of Hall of Fame players.
The Heat have a system, doesn't always bring home a trophy but they are not usually the laughing stock of the NBA
I forget how many draft picks Miami forfeited when they signed LeBron but it took a long time to dig out of that, the Hassan Whiteside years were brutal.

ESPN computer says Miami has less than an 8% chance to win the Finals, it's them against the World

A lot of this Riley stuff is overblown. He was a role / bench player on 4 teams that went to the Finals as a player. His teammates in those seasons included Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Gail Goodrich, Connie Hawkins, and Paul Westphal. Riley was a passenger. To try to make his days as a player into anything other than him playing on some really talented teams and having a great seat to watch from is just silly.

As a coach, he inherited a team with Kareem, Magic, and Bob McAdoo that had a ton of other productive starters and reserves and immediately added James Worthy. Do you really think there was some black magic or secret sauce that Riley provided to get that Lakers team to the Finals almost every season? The Showtime Lakers were absolutely stacked. Put another way, how many other coaches could have won with that roster? He made it to the Finals in NY with Patrick Ewing (voted one of the Top 50 players in league history). As an executive, as I already mentioned, he won with Shaq and DWade and then LeBron / Allen / Bosch.

Think about the names I mentioned. Wilt. Magic. Kareem. LeBron. Shaq. Do you think Riley made them . . . or maybe they made Riley? Sure, having Riley around the Heat certainly helped, but to act like everything Riley has ever touched turned to gold is REALLY overstating things. Have the recent Heat teams been more successful than they should have been? Yup. But to make it like Riley could take guys from a pick up game at the YMCA and turn them into perennial NBA champions is polishing his rings a little bit too heavily. All-time great for the NBA? Absolutely. But the hype on some of this is getting out of hand.

 

[General Malaise]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

Yeah... from Miami fans who think that "Heat Culture" is a tangible trade asset.

I'd take some Miami weather up here in the winter months. Package that up with Omar Asik and you guys can have Lillard.

 

[General Malaise]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

At the draft, they could trade their 2024, 2027 (technically two years after their first conveys to OKC), and 2029 firsts with swaps in-between and something like Caleb Martin, Jovic, and Tyler Herro (who has his trade value at a nadir right now) plus probably a smidge more salary filler. I doubt that would get a deal done, but at least it wouldn't be insulting.

YOU KNOW, WE AREN'T STUPID PEOPLE OUT HERE! WE DO READ, LIKE, BOOKS AND STUFF. IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR!!!!!!111111

 

[Jayrod]

They have this guy who runs the team named Pat Riley
They have a Head Coach who LeBron wanted fired when he first landed but rode the storm and won titles that others couldn't.
The FO is loaded with guys who are former players like Zo
I respect how easy it is for you to dismiss the last 8-10 years here but I think it's incredible they have been playing in the ECF 3 of 4 years and advanced to the Finals twice now with a roster that is not chock full of Hall of Fame players.
The Heat have a system, doesn't always bring home a trophy but they are not usually the laughing stock of the NBA
I forget how many draft picks Miami forfeited when they signed LeBron but it took a long time to dig out of that, the Hassan Whiteside years were brutal.

ESPN computer says Miami has less than an 8% chance to win the Finals, it's them against the World

Anyone with a roster "chock full of HOF players" wins championships. The only team to fit that criteria in the last several years is the Warriors.

The Bubble playoffs were fluky and they surprised there. This season, they probably underperformed in the regular season more than anything, but I give them credit there as well.

No way the Heat win this Finals. I knew they could beat the Celtics because the Celtics are an immature lot. Denver is a GREAT team with no real holes. Only caveat is if Jokic misses 2 or more games to injury. Barring that, I expect Denver to win and win big (4-5 games).

 

[Gatorman]

Miami usually gets the guy who wants to come here.

You got Lebron and Bosh and post-prime Shaq this way. Please relax. You aren’t the Lakers. Your current team is being led by a guy who has never been first-team all-nba and 15 undrafted guys who figured out they could shoot for 6 weeks.

hello? Butler? Hello? Lowry? Dragic?

 

[Capella]

Miami usually gets the guy who wants to come here.

You got Lebron and Bosh and post-prime Shaq this way. Please relax. You aren’t the Lakers. Your current team is being led by a guy who has never been first-team all-nba and 15 undrafted guys who figured out they could shoot for 6 weeks.

hello? Butler? Hello? Lowry? Dragic?

Hello

 

[Ministry of Pain]

That's a very good question
I would like to see Butler and Lillard on the same team.
What Miami would need to give and how much that would impact/hurt the chemistry is debatable.

There is nothing Miami could give to get Dame. They don’t have any assets other than Butler and that would defeat the purpose.

Miami never has anything to offer except Heat Culture and somehow that's been enough.
Did you know that Pat Riley has been a participant in one form or another in 25% of ALL NBA Finals in the history of the NBA?
Some players feel a calling, this team is not for everyone.
Did you know Spo and Riley weigh the Heat players once a week? I didn't until recently

Heat Culture is not a trade asset.

Lebron couldn't win a title until he found Heat Culture
It's not a tradable asset for the FO of opposing teams but it sure does attract a lot of players who seem willing to make concessions at times to get here.
I agree with you that Miami does not likely have the assets to pull a trade but Miami is often involved in rumors surrounding Lillard.

Yeah... from Miami fans who think that "Heat Culture" is a tangible trade asset.

I'd take some Miami weather up here in the winter months. Package that up with Omar Asik and you guys can have Lillard.

That would be the ultimate gift for some of you all
I wish we could bottle up some Florida weather and send it your alls way because nobody deserves the brutal weather I see in other parts of the country
It's a big joke when the Mrs and I go to Maggie Valley in Apr/May and wake up to 35 degree weather and put on our warm clothes and take pics
But we come back in a week or two and the break in the heat is welcome.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They have this guy who runs the team named Pat Riley
They have a Head Coach who LeBron wanted fired when he first landed but rode the storm and won titles that others couldn't.
The FO is loaded with guys who are former players like Zo
I respect how easy it is for you to dismiss the last 8-10 years here but I think it's incredible they have been playing in the ECF 3 of 4 years and advanced to the Finals twice now with a roster that is not chock full of Hall of Fame players.
The Heat have a system, doesn't always bring home a trophy but they are not usually the laughing stock of the NBA
I forget how many draft picks Miami forfeited when they signed LeBron but it took a long time to dig out of that, the Hassan Whiteside years were brutal.

ESPN computer says Miami has less than an 8% chance to win the Finals, it's them against the World

Anyone with a roster "chock full of HOF players" wins championships. The only team to fit that criteria in the last several years is the Warriors.

The Bubble playoffs were fluky and they surprised there. This season, they probably underperformed in the regular season more than anything, but I give them credit there as well.

No way the Heat win this Finals. I knew they could beat the Celtics because the Celtics are an immature lot. Denver is a GREAT team with no real holes. Only caveat is if Jokic misses 2 or more games to injury. Barring that, I expect Denver to win and win big (4-5 games).

3% to win the Celtics Series, you should have cleaned up in Vegas