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Easily the funniest post to ever hit this site.Heat Nuggets is the NBA Finals and also what @Frostillicus does for work every day.
Easily the funniest post to ever hit this site.Heat Nuggets is the NBA Finals and also what @Frostillicus does for work every day.
Again, house money at this point but this will be the 4th series miami has no shot in.Miami is probably getting swept or dropped in 5. Denver is multiple levels better than them.For those who write the heat off for the finals: thats fine. see you game 1. Denver is a solid well coached team and so is Miami. Should be a fun series continue to play with house money.
I don’t think anyone gave them no shot versus the Knicks.Again, house money at this point but this will be the 4th series miami has no shot in.Miami is probably getting swept or dropped in 5. Denver is multiple levels better than them.For those who write the heat off for the finals: thats fine. see you game 1. Denver is a solid well coached team and so is Miami. Should be a fun series continue to play with house money.
There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
I’ll grant you Milwaukee but they were not big dogs against the Knicks and many thought they could beat Boston.Again, house money at this point but this will be the 4th series miami has no shot in.Miami is probably getting swept or dropped in 5. Denver is multiple levels better than them.For those who write the heat off for the finals: thats fine. see you game 1. Denver is a solid well coached team and so is Miami. Should be a fun series continue to play with house money.
Bill had his dad on his podcast last night fresh from Game 7Didn't realize Bill Simmons was still a thing.
Heat were the better team. The end. On to the Finals.
Should have been MVPI don't think enough words can be said about Caleb Martin. He shot over 60% for the series, which is insanity considering he shoots from all over the floor.
I think Bams shoulder is a thing, just not a big thing. I think miamis defensive game plan is the key here. Can they slow down the nuggets? Miami likes to make things “uncomfortable” with their constant switching and their zone d. Will it slow the nugs and will Jimmy and the gang be able to get to the rim. If they can make the joker think, will that change the series.Bam looked fairly exhausted to me last night. Jokic has been sitting around resting. Would love to see a competitive series but it feels like this could be a blowout - Spo needs to use all his powers to keep this close but unfortunately for him he's not facing a rookie coach this round.
i havent studied the film and wont but in general ball movement creates open threes which are hit at a better rate than contested threes so it probably has to do with how the teams moved the ball versus going one on one and the effort they put in on d and closed out on shooters at this level that is basically the answer all the time about three point shooting take that to the bank brohansHow do you explain the huge differential in 3-point shooting in multiple games? Miami was around 50% in several games including last night, while the Celtics were near 20% in a few games games. Is it defense or ball distribution?
If Tyler comes back, I think he comes off the bench. We could use his 38% 3 point shooting and 93% from the FT line. But it's seems like the Heat played better in his absence.
and get this: he was undraftedI don't think enough words can be said about Caleb Martin. He shot over 60% for the series, which is insanity considering he shoots from all over the floor.
Hadn't heard that. Huge news if true.and get this: he was undraftedI don't think enough words can be said about Caleb Martin. He shot over 60% for the series, which is insanity considering he shoots from all over the floor.
I think a ton of it was just mental.i havent studied the film and wont but in general ball movement creates open threes which are hit at a better rate than contested threes so it probably has to do with how the teams moved the ball versus going one on one and the effort they put in on d and closed out on shooters at this level that is basically the answer all the time about three point shooting take that to the bank brohansHow do you explain the huge differential in 3-point shooting in multiple games? Miami was around 50% in several games including last night, while the Celtics were near 20% in a few games games. Is it defense or ball distribution?
If Tyler comes back, I think he comes off the bench. We could use his 38% 3 point shooting and 93% from the FT line. But it's seems like the Heat played better in his absence.
I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
it will be interesting. i know the Celtics are close to salary cap, and don't have a ton of draft picks coming up. they have seemed hesitant to ship either to upset the team, but i agree coming back with the same core again is tough to accept. Great in regular season so maybe they keep both and sell high at trade deadline? Tatum definitely fetches more value, and could refill future draft picks etc along with key players.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
Tatum has consistently showed himself to be a top 5-10 talent in the NBA. He is untouchable and will likely play his whole career in Boston.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
This seems like a bad take. In their 6 years together, they have been to the finals once, and lost in the eastern conference finals three times.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level.
I’m generally opposed to blowing up successful teams but they have to consider moving Brown. Simmons talked about this on one of his recent podcasts, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to build a team around Tatum and Brown on their contracts under the new CBA rules.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
This seems like a bad take. In their 6 years together, they have been to the finals once, and lost in the eastern conference finals three times.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level.
Don't know how that isn't existing at a title level
Yes they’ll be filling the roster out with minimum guys.I’m generally opposed to blowing up successful teams but they have to consider moving Brown. Simmons talked about this on one of his recent podcasts, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to build a team around Tatum and Brown on their contracts under the new CBA rules.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
Yes they’ll be filling the roster out with minimum guys.I’m generally opposed to blowing up successful teams but they have to consider moving Brown. Simmons talked about this on one of his recent podcasts, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to build a team around Tatum and Brown on their contracts under the new CBA rules.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
I think Brown is probably a top-30 player in the league but the super max is killing them. 300M for him os legitimately insane. But how do they let him go?
I guess the options would be to go out and get someone like Dame or some draft picks that Stevens thinks he can turn into high level contributors (Portland might give them the ability to do both, actually).Yes they’ll be filling the roster out with minimum guys.I’m generally opposed to blowing up successful teams but they have to consider moving Brown. Simmons talked about this on one of his recent podcasts, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to build a team around Tatum and Brown on their contracts under the new CBA rules.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
I think Brown is probably a top-30 player in the league but the super max is killing them. 300M for him os legitimately insane. But how do they let him go?
Yeah I'm not sure how other teams don't recognize Boston's plight here and try to pay 60 cents on the dollar.Yes they’ll be filling the roster out with minimum guys.I’m generally opposed to blowing up successful teams but they have to consider moving Brown. Simmons talked about this on one of his recent podcasts, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to build a team around Tatum and Brown on their contracts under the new CBA rules.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
I think Brown is probably a top-30 player in the league but the super max is killing them. 300M for him os legitimately insane. But how do they let him go?
He’s better than Brown but does he deliver a title? And he’s older, probably less durable and also very expensive.Yes they’ll be filling the roster out with minimum guys.I’m generally opposed to blowing up successful teams but they have to consider moving Brown. Simmons talked about this on one of his recent podcasts, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to build a team around Tatum and Brown on their contracts under the new CBA rules.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
I think Brown is probably a top-30 player in the league but the super max is killing them. 300M for him os legitimately insane. But how do they let him go?
Trade for Lillard somehow?
This is the big issue. They really can't let him walk and get nothing for him. Also, if he leaves as a free agent, that wouldn't help their cap situation any (they wouldn't gain any cap space and would still be over the cap). And they can't do a Supermax sign and trade (they couldn't trade him for two years). They could only trade him now with one year on his remaining contract and hope to get 50 cents on the dollar back in return. I am sure Brown would be exceedingly furious over that, as it would cost him $105M by not getting a Supermax.But how do they let him go?
Yeah there's some rumor (mainly from Simmons) about Portland possibly trading the third pick for Brown to try to reward Dame and give him one last run.I guess the options would be to go out and get someone like Dame or some draft picks that Stevens thinks he can turn into high level contributors (Portland might give them the ability to do both, actually).Yes they’ll be filling the roster out with minimum guys.I’m generally opposed to blowing up successful teams but they have to consider moving Brown. Simmons talked about this on one of his recent podcasts, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to build a team around Tatum and Brown on their contracts under the new CBA rules.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level. They are both great talents (Brown's inability to dribble left notwithstanding) but they operate completely separate of each other. Seems at times the Celts are playing 4 vs 5. I think one of these guys needs to be traded for a better shooter willing to play second fiddle. I'd probably keep Tatum and ship out Brown. I just can't see trading a pure scorer like Tatum.There were a few strange things with this Celtics playoff run. The home record is still such a strange thing, think it was below .500 for this year. Lost 3 of 4 in the Heat series in Boston.
Seems like some of that is coincidence but that is only a portion of it.
They are a strange team overall...you never know what you are going to get with them be it good or bad...very talented team that just has "something missing"...it is now up to Brad Stevens to figure out how go from being good and a contender to being very good and a legit championship team.
I think Brown is probably a top-30 player in the league but the super max is killing them. 300M for him os legitimately insane. But how do they let him go?
LOL - thats simmons trying to will this to happen.Yeah there's some rumor (mainly from Simmons) about Portland possibly trading the third pick for Brown to try to reward Dame and give him one last run.
The Heat are also coming off of a tough 7-game series, and have to travel to Denver to play in the thin air. I'd be pretty surprised if they won game 1.Also, Heat are veteran team (read: old) - they have just faced a 7 game series that was tough - while the Nuggets sat. Maybe they catch the Nuggets rusty in Game 1 and steal it to get home court but outside that scenario I just don't see this going 6 much less 7.
Ha, think I heard Van Gundy mention that at some point…I do find it funny it took a rapper playing with Martin at the gym to bring him to Miami’s attention.and get this: he was undraftedI don't think enough words can be said about Caleb Martin. He shot over 60% for the series, which is insanity considering he shoots from all over the floor.
He averaged 30.1p/8.8r/4.6a per game and was 1st team all-NBA for the second year in a row. He has played in the Eastern Conference Finals in all but like 2 seasons of his career and is only 25 years old. He was still the best player on the floor for either team in the Heat series. He is closer to a James Harden/Russell Westbrook level than your MJ/Lebron/Kobe level but he gives you a better chance to win a title than all but a handful of players.I dont see what everyone loves about Tatum. Very good player with poor body language. Lays down after pretending to be fouled and he looks very slow to me. Almost as slow as Paul Pierce was.
I would in no way, shape or form build a team around him.
Yea sounds like they are all stuck.This is the big issue. They really can't let him walk and get nothing for him. Also, if he leaves as a free agent, that wouldn't help their cap situation any (they wouldn't gain any cap space and would still be over the cap). And they can't do a Supermax sign and trade (they couldn't trade him for two years). They could only trade him now with one year on his remaining contract and hope to get 50 cents on the dollar back in return. I am sure Brown would be exceedingly furious over that, as it would cost him $105M by not getting a Supermax.But how do they let him go?
He was until this past week.Yea sounds like they are all stuck.This is the big issue. They really can't let him walk and get nothing for him. Also, if he leaves as a free agent, that wouldn't help their cap situation any (they wouldn't gain any cap space and would still be over the cap). And they can't do a Supermax sign and trade (they couldn't trade him for two years). They could only trade him now with one year on his remaining contract and hope to get 50 cents on the dollar back in return. I am sure Brown would be exceedingly furious over that, as it would cost him $105M by not getting a Supermax.But how do they let him go?
I understand why Brown would be upset but he simply is not worth that kind of money.
Typically title contending teams are teams that make it conference finals and finals over a multi-year span. If you are narrowly describing title level as just teams that win, are you advocating for every team in the league but the champion to retool or blow it up every year?This seems like a bad take. In their 6 years together, they have been to the finals once, and lost in the eastern conference finals three times.I'm no Celtics fan, but from the outside looking in it doesn't seem Tatum and Brown can co-exist at a title level.
Don't know how that isn't existing at a title level
Because they haven't won a title? Seems like that is the English definition of title level ?
Hell, my team can't even make the playoffs. I assume BOS fans want more than playoffs and bust
They would still get a haul for him. Players are traded in the last year of their deal all the time. The Bucks gave up a ton for Holiday who was a soon to be free agent. Same goes for Anthony Davis. There would be robust interest in 26 year old Jaylen BrownThey could only trade him now with one year on his remaining contract and hope to get 50 cents on the dollar back in return.