2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)

[Long Ball Larry]

how are people not Lebron fans?

i may never understand passionate anti-Lebron fans of the NBA.

Sarcasm?

by me? no.

Yes, you. Obviously a great talent, an all time great, but his personality and desire to always be noticed drives me nuts. I’ll be glad when he goes away but I’m sure he will find a way to stay in the way of cameras.

his personality and desire to always be noticed?

you mean how he has never been involved in any controversy at all, and sometimes posts instagram stories that you can easily avoid by not looking at them?

i know a few people who automatically hate the best, most famous people in any walk of life. never any reason reason for it. but they are vehemently anti Lebron, Tom Brady, whoever is good in baseball, etc. it's weird. very weird. says a lot more about them than the people they hate for no reason, imo.

Yeah, that’s not me. I didn’t accuse him of doing anything controversial. Not calling him a racist or saying he is an awful person. I have never read one of his Instagram posts. I try to avoid him if I can. I already admitted he is an all time great. I just don’t care to hear from him.

I like Tom Brady, but do not particularly care for Aaron Rogers.

I like Aaron Judge, but do not particularly care for Trevor Bauer.

What has Lebron done for attention other than be great at basketball?

 

[mr. furley]

how are people not Lebron fans?

i may never understand passionate anti-Lebron fans of the NBA.

Sarcasm?

by me? no.

Yes, you. Obviously a great talent, an all time great, but his personality and desire to always be noticed drives me nuts. I’ll be glad when he goes away but I’m sure he will find a way to stay in the way of cameras.

his personality and desire to always be noticed?

you mean how he has never been involved in any controversy at all, and sometimes posts instagram stories that you can easily avoid by not looking at them?

i know a few people who automatically hate the best, most famous people in any walk of life. never any reason reason for it. but they are vehemently anti Lebron, Tom Brady, whoever is good in baseball, etc. it's weird. very weird. says a lot more about them than the people they hate for no reason, imo.

Yeah, that’s not me. I didn’t accuse him of doing anything controversial. Not calling him a racist or saying he is an awful person. I have never read one of his Instagram posts. I try to avoid him if I can. I already admitted he is an all time great. I just don’t care to hear from him.

I like Tom Brady, but do not particularly care for Aaron Rogers.

I like Aaron Judge, but do not particularly care for Trevor Bauer.

What has Lebron done for attention other than be great at basketball?

spray on hairline?

 

[SWC]

hes too good at basketball and being nice to other people so he stinks take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Long Ball Larry]

What the hell is with these dancing grandmas at the bucks game?
@mr. furley @SWC

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I guess there’s a few old dudes in there too

 

[SWC]

those are just our cheerleaders its milwaukee brohan take that to the bank

 

[SWC]

they are actually a whole thing here in souteast wisco they have been around a while and were unfortunately hit by that jackass that drove into the waukesha parade we all love the hell out of them take that to the bank brohan

 

[Capella]

It is amazing Lebron gets this much dislike when he has literally never had even one off the court controversy. Guy opened a school in his hometown for God’s sake. And it’s wildly successful.

 

[mr. furley]

What the hell is with these dancing grandmas at the bucks game?
@mr. furley @SWC

pure sex appeal, baby

 

[mr. furley]

you know who i don't like? Barry Sanders. what a pretentious dbag that guy is. had to quit mid-career to get all the attention turned to him. guy scored a touchdown and handed the ball to a ref just to be different than everyone else in the league. freaking attention hoor, that guy.

 

[SWC]

What the hell is with these dancing grandmas at the bucks game?
@mr. furley @SWC

pure sex appeal, baby

milwaukee thirst trap take that to the bank bromigo

 

[SWC]

you know who was a real showboat jesus christ walking on water and feeding the hungry healing lepers like he owned the place jeez what a show off take that to the bank brochachos

 

[Capella]

you know who was a real showboat jesus christ walking on water and feeding the hungry healing lepers like he owned the place jeez what a show off take that to the bank brochachos

Lmao

 

[BassNBrew]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding

I'm not Jewish, but would love for others to way in. This seems potentially little over the top. If I was Jewish, I'm not sure I'd be upset about someone denying the Holocaust if they believed the earth was flat. Is Kyrie smart enough to know better or do we reach a point where we're picking on the mentally handicapped? I guess what I'm asking is can you be so mentally deficient that your employer should give you a reasonable accommodation? Maybe this is a reasonable accommodation.

 

[BassNBrew]

It is amazing Lebron gets this much dislike when he has literally never had even one off the court controversy. Guy opened a school in his hometown for God’s sake. And it’s wildly successful.

He plays for the Lakers. The defense rests.

 

[BassNBrew]

here's another winner....

TMZ Sports has learned ... 39-year-old Gordon was taken into custody around 3:30 AM on Friday. Chicago PD says the 2004 third-overall pick was being escorted out of the Mickey D's when he got physical.

Police say Gordon struck a 29-year-old male guard in the face and threw him to the ground ... before shoving a second 21-year-old male guard to the ground as well.

He's also previously punch his son.

 

[mr. furley]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding

I'm not Jewish, but would love for others to way in. This seems potentially little over the top. If I was Jewish, I'm not sure I'd be upset about someone denying the Holocaust if they believed the earth was flat. Is Kyrie smart enough to know better or do we reach a point where we're picking on the mentally handicapped? I guess what I'm asking is can you be so mentally deficient that your employer should give you a reasonable accommodation? Maybe this is a reasonable accommodation.

looks purely like "we have to make it seem like we're giving him a chance so we can fire him after he doesn't comply"

they fully don't expect him to do all, or probably any, of these things. and when he doesn't they can use it in arbitration after refusing to pay him.

 

[Frostillicus]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding

I'm not Jewish, but would love for others to way in. This seems potentially little over the top. If I was Jewish, I'm not sure I'd be upset about someone denying the Holocaust if they believed the earth was flat. Is Kyrie smart enough to know better or do we reach a point where we're picking on the mentally handicapped? I guess what I'm asking is can you be so mentally deficient that your employer should give you a reasonable accommodation? Maybe this is a reasonable accommodation.

looks purely like "we have to make it seem like we're giving him a chance so we can fire him after he doesn't comply"

they fully don't expect him to do all, or probably any, of these things. and when he doesn't they can use it in arbitration after refusing to pay him.

I believe this.

 

[Judge Smails]

LeBron's only fault other than being a terrible GM is that he's incredibly smug. One of the least relatable guys ever. Like he never relaxes. Probably what makes him great but it's off putting. I give him a ton of credit though. I can't imagine anyone basically crowned the second coming at 14 years of age staying as focused as he did for 25 years. Never in trouble. Gives back to the community. Just not very likable. But I'll take him all day long vs idiots like Kyrie. There's a guy who thinks he's smart but in reality he's clueless. Will be a happy day for me when he's out of the league entirely.

 

[BassNBrew]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding

I'm not Jewish, but would love for others to way in. This seems potentially little over the top. If I was Jewish, I'm not sure I'd be upset about someone denying the Holocaust if they believed the earth was flat. Is Kyrie smart enough to know better or do we reach a point where we're picking on the mentally handicapped? I guess what I'm asking is can you be so mentally deficient that your employer should give you a reasonable accommodation? Maybe this is a reasonable accommodation.

looks purely like "we have to make it seem like we're giving him a chance so we can fire him after he doesn't comply"

they fully don't expect him to do all, or probably any, of these things. and when he doesn't they can use it in arbitration after refusing to pay him.

I will be interesting to see what the Player Union has to say about this.

 

[GordonGekko]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- $500K donation

I'm not going to get into the political aspect of this Irving controversy.

What I will say is an NBA owner ( no, I will not say "Governor") cannot mandate a player to give money to remove a team suspension. That's a clear and open violation of the CBA. Not just this CBA, all previous versions of CBAs. And not just in the NBA, this would be illegal in any of the major sports and their CBA's as well.

Whether the NBPA fights this aspect is another matter. Whether Adam Silver intervenes here against Joe Tsai, given the implication of billions at stake with Tsai's ties to the NBA China subdivision is another matter entirely.

Even if Irving offers on his own, and Tsai merely affirms it as a requirement is a violation of the CBA.

It also violates the aspects of collective bargaining that deals with "proxy" punishments. Tsai cannot technically fine Irving in this scandal. That was the point of the five game team suspension ( As a proxy 1.25 million dollar "fine"). By mandating a "donation", it's a workaround to fining Irving even further. You can create soft cover for a team suspension, you cannot create any kind of practical cover for a mandated donation.

Here a larger complication, Irving paid a total of $16,818,030 in fines for not being "in compliance with health and safety protocols", which costed him about $380,000 per missed game for the 2021-22 season

There's a practical legal basis for Irving to actually dispute those fines from 2021-22. Whether he will or will not is another story.

No matter what people think of Irving personally, you can't just violate the active CBA to go after him. Joe Tsai is opening up a legal can of worms that Adam Silver, NBA HQ and the rest of the owners, plus the networks don't want. Irving can make this all very ugly and very public in the court of law. The major aspects of this however cannot be discussed here, since we are all now prohibited from certain topics in the FBG forums.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Nets are 2-0 since Kyrie’s suspension.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Joe Tsai might also want to look at some of his life choices and things he supports

 

[Major]

Anybody in a front office who didn’t have Banchero as the #1 prospect in this class with a bullet should be fired. He’s a total monster.

I've said it here before but I was all set on the Rockets drafting him at #3. Orlando fooled the experts who all had them drafting Jabari Smith. Now every time I look at the box scores and see another dominating Banchero performance, I hate Jabari a little more. He isn't bad but I don't think he'll be a superstar like Banchero.

 

[Galileo]

Conditions for Kyrie's return... https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1589062495175864321

 

[GordonGekko]

Nets are 2-0 since Kyrie’s suspension.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Denver_Broncos_season#Regular_season


The Denver Broncos in 2009, after hiring one of the hottest young head coaching prospects in all of football at the time in Josh McDaniels, started the season 6-0.

Lots of folks in the sports media and in Bronco Land were hailing McDaniels early on as the second coming. The best parts of Belichick while having the offensive pedigree of the best parts of someone like Shanahan Sr.

And how did that season end? How did McDaniels' tenure with the Broncos go? ( 11-17, fired before his second season ended, got caught up with Scarnecchia Jr yet AGAIN in a public scandal)

It's a long season.

 

[Frostillicus]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- $500K donation

I'm not going to get into the political aspect of this Irving controversy.

What I will say is an NBA owner ( no, I will not say "Governor") cannot mandate a player to give money to remove a team suspension. That's a clear and open violation of the CBA. Not just this CBA, all previous versions of CBAs. And not just in the NBA, this would be illegal in any of the major sports and their CBA's as well.

Whether the NBPA fights this aspect is another matter. Whether Adam Silver intervenes here against Joe Tsai, given the implication of billions at stake with Tsai's ties to the NBA China subdivision is another matter entirely.

Even if Irving offers on his own, and Tsai merely affirms it as a requirement is a violation of the CBA.

It also violates the aspects of collective bargaining that deals with "proxy" punishments. Tsai cannot technically fine Irving in this scandal. That was the point of the five game team suspension ( As a proxy 1.25 million dollar "fine"). By mandating a "donation", it's a workaround to fining Irving even further. You can create soft cover for a team suspension, you cannot create any kind of practical cover for a mandated donation.

Here a larger complication, Irving paid a total of $16,818,030 in fines for not being "in compliance with health and safety protocols", which costed him about $380,000 per missed game for the 2021-22 season

There's a practical legal basis for Irving to actually dispute those fines from 2021-22. Whether he will or will not is another story.

No matter what people think of Irving personally, you can't just violate the active CBA to go after him. Joe Tsai is opening up a legal can of worms that Adam Silver, NBA HQ and the rest of the owners, plus the networks don't want. Irving can make this all very ugly and very public in the court of law. The major aspects of this however cannot be discussed here, since we are all now prohibited from certain topics in the FBG forums.

Kyrie already tried to donate $500K and the group rejected it.

 

[Frostillicus]

 

[SWC]

bucks won again but without anteater who was resting take that to the bank brochachos

 

[Capella]

What a tremendous season for the magic. Banchero showing he was worth the pick, other young guys developing and keeping things exciting and still losing a ton of games. So great.

It’s been so great. Banchero looks like a future all-nba player. If they get another top-4 pick to add to this core…whew. And they have Chicago’s first too this year.

Bol Bol 10-11 from the field tonight for 23 points. It’s completely unbelievable how good he has been.

 

[SWC]

how are people not Lebron fans?

i may never understand passionate anti-Lebron fans of the NBA.

Not a fan of the Super Team Era he ushered in.

people forget thier nba history forming superteams happened a lot before lebron the 1977 sixers with dr j collins and mcginnis the 97 rockets with the dream barkley and drexler the 04 lakers with the glove karl malone kobe and shaq and the 07 celtics with hold me back bro garnett ray allen and paul pierce all before lebron supposedly started it happening and it happening is more a function of changes in the collective bargaining agreement making player mobility a possibility anyhow take that to the bank brohans

 

[SWC]

What a tremendous season for the magic. Banchero showing he was worth the pick, other young guys developing and keeping things exciting and still losing a ton of games. So great.

It’s been so great. Banchero looks like a future all-nba player. If they get another top-4 pick to add to this core…whew. And they have Chicago’s first too this year.

Bol Bol 10-11 from the field tonight for 23 points. It’s completely unbelievable how good he has been.

like my pop used to say they got something good cooking down there in orlando and it aint the corn dogs at disney take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

people forget thier nba history forming superteams happened a lot before lebron the 1977 sixers with dr j collins and mcginnis the 97 rockets with the dream barkley and drexler the 04 lakers with the glove karl malone kobe and shaq and the 07 celtics with hold me back bro garnett ray allen and paul pierce all before lebron supposedly started it happening and it happening is more a function of changes in the collective bargaining agreement making player mobility a possibility anyhow take that to the bank brohans

1987-88 Bucks: Randy Breuer/Paul Mokeski/Larry Krystowiak

 

[BassNBrew]

how are people not Lebron fans?

i may never understand passionate anti-Lebron fans of the NBA.

Not a fan of the Super Team Era he ushered in.

people forget thier nba history forming superteams happened a lot before lebron the 1977 sixers with dr j collins and mcginnis the 97 rockets with the dream barkley and drexler the 04 lakers with the glove karl malone kobe and shaq and the 07 celtics with hold me back bro garnett ray allen and paul pierce all before lebron supposedly started it happening and it happening is more a function of changes in the collective bargaining agreement making player mobility a possibility anyhow take that to the bank brohans

You're right. We should all start rooting for Bron, Westie, and AD over some loser like Giannis who won't go play with the other kids.

 

[mr. furley]

bucks won again but without anteater who was resting take that to the bank brochachos

speaking of guys we don't like

 

[mr. furley]

What a tremendous season for the magic. Banchero showing he was worth the pick, other young guys developing and keeping things exciting and still losing a ton of games. So great.

It’s been so great. Banchero looks like a future all-nba player. If they get another top-4 pick to add to this core…whew. And they have Chicago’s first too this year.

Bol Bol 10-11 from the field tonight for 23 points. It’s completely unbelievable how good he has been.

has he surpassed Manute in career points yet?

 

[mr. furley]

people forget thier nba history forming superteams happened a lot before lebron the 1977 sixers with dr j collins and mcginnis the 97 rockets with the dream barkley and drexler the 04 lakers with the glove karl malone kobe and shaq and the 07 celtics with hold me back bro garnett ray allen and paul pierce all before lebron supposedly started it happening and it happening is more a function of changes in the collective bargaining agreement making player mobility a possibility anyhow take that to the bank brohans

1987-88 Bucks: Randy Breuer/Paul Mokeski/Larry Krystowiak

all-hair team, imo

 

[SWC]

how are people not Lebron fans?

i may never understand passionate anti-Lebron fans of the NBA.

Not a fan of the Super Team Era he ushered in.

people forget thier nba history forming superteams happened a lot before lebron the 1977 sixers with dr j collins and mcginnis the 97 rockets with the dream barkley and drexler the 04 lakers with the glove karl malone kobe and shaq and the 07 celtics with hold me back bro garnett ray allen and paul pierce all before lebron supposedly started it happening and it happening is more a function of changes in the collective bargaining agreement making player mobility a possibility anyhow take that to the bank brohans

You're right. We should all start rooting for Bron, Westie, and AD over some loser like Giannis who won't go play with the other kids.

not saying that but i am saying that he wasnt the first and wont be the last to do the super team thing take that to the bank brohan

 

[DJackson10]

The defending of Irving here is bizarre. Even as a basketball player, he is highly overrated. Except for when he played with LeBron James, who was the clear leader of that team, every situation has been worse than projected when he was there/playing. The Cavs with Irving stunk before James came back. The Celtics were and have been better without him. The Nets have won one playoff series in three years with Durant and Irving. He is becoming not worth the hassle.

If Kyrie is peddling Holocaust denial trash he is indefensible and the NBA should kick him out. Forget talent, this is a moral taboo that should end his career.

Not only this but shouldn't amazon be get slammed for even allowing the film on there?

 

[DJackson10]

If desperate Lakers don't take on Kyrie, his NBA career is over

After the way things went down between LeBron and Kyrie in Cleveland, I’m not sure LeBron would want anything to do with Kyrie.

Never say never, but...Kyrie will never be a Laker. How LeBron held that team together and got a ring despite this malcontent I'll never know. I get that the Cavs trading Kyrie may have accelerated LeBron's second exit, but after seeing what that cancer has done since management got that one right. That team was not going to win another ship and the fall out from the inevitable implosion would have been like the first time he left - an empty cupboard in a location that does not attract free agents. GM LeBron may be terrible at his job, but he's not a dummy - there is no managing Kyrie and he knows it.

Weren’t there stories over the summer that Lebron and Kyrie had hashed things out? Not saying that definitely means Lebron wants him or things couldn’t have changed, but it doesn’t seem impossible.

LeBron came out with a pretty strong statement condemning Kyrie last night, which is what a lot of people wanted to hear from Durant.

Lebron peddles out statements that fit his agenda but won't say and dame thing nor other players about the NBA in bed with China so to me its just a bunch of hypocrites talking. I'm not defending Kyrie and I think he should lose his job and pay. THere's no way the NBAPA should or want to help Kyrie even if they are suppose to here. If I'm sponsors for the NBA Nets etc I'm pulling my ads sponsorship from NBA till he's gone from the league. I see zero reason other then people being greedy why they don't grow a pair and terminate Kyrie from the league for good. Dude has skills agree but he's super hot and cold and tremendously overrated as player.

 

[DJackson10]

The defending of Irving here is bizarre. Even as a basketball player, he is highly overrated. ....

Defending what exactly?

What I'm seeing here is many people ( not all but many) are conflating their negative feelings/emotions regarding Kyrie Irving (mostly from his off court behaviors/actions/statements/choices) and are mixing that into his actual production value/projectible value/established skill set on the court.

Davis Bertans, Mavericks Actual salary: $16.0 million

Tobias Harris, 76ers Actual salary: $37.6 million

Russell Westbrook, Lakers $47.1 million

Your "value" in the NBA is dependent on what you can currently produce to help your team win basketball games against your contract length and it's AAV (Annual Average Value)

Bertans is a bad contract. He's a one dimensional long range gunner who has been grossly overpaid. However if he was on a 2 year, 8 million dollar contract, with the 2nd year as a team option, then he suddenly becomes a possible bargain. A matchup dependent reliable three point specialist you can use in specific spots during game flow. For 16 million, that's obscene. For the vets minimum or something like 4 million, on a short term deal, that's not so bad at all.

Tobias Harris can do enough to help a team win basketball games. He is also grossly overpaid to league market values. He's more than one dimensional, but if he was paid 16 million a year and expiring instead of close to 38 million a year, the perspective on him totally changes.

If RWB was at the point of his career where he was a journeyman free agent, looking to ring chase, for the grand sum of 1.7 million in cash from any contender that could use 10 good minutes a night of limited offense from someone with lots of playoff experience and game experience, he starts to appear entirely different.


Does Irving still have the talent level to help some team, particularly some contender? Yes. He can easily be a 20 minutes a guy who consistently creates a threat to score 20 points from the bench. Literally by himself. The four other guys could just play defense and become spot up shooters. Not some flash in the pan, but an established consistent All Star in terms of pure offensive pedigree and proven production. Will that value be mitigated by possible contract length and AAV? Of course.

But for some here to assess that Irving's career is plainly over without any choice of his own, given how rare his skill set actually becomes in the modern NBA, is not reality. You can call him "overrated", but like Bertans, RWB and Tobias Harris, there is a price point/contract length where the situation turns from toxic/troublesome/burdensome to pure bargain.

I'm separating Irving the person and his actions off the court AWAY from Irving the basketball player.

What's "bizarre" is that I'm basically the only person right now currently in this thread saying Irving, strictly assessing his worth as an actual functional basketball player, should be judged on what Irving has shown as an actual functional basketball player ON THE COURT.

Michael Vick played 6 seasons before he was banished, suspended, imprisoned and out of football for two whole years before he played another 7 seasons in the NFL. Three of those as a full time starter. And for three different franchises. I said it before and I'll say it again, Vick had a longer career AFTER his big scandal than before it. And much of that was because QB1 is a coveted and hard to fill position in the NFL. Just like finding an established All Star level offensive engine is a coveted and hard to fill position in the modern NBA.

I don't see a single person here talking about the specific decline in Irving's skill set or the sudden influx of pure shot creators across the league that makes Irving so expendable, as some here are pushing.

From a pure player standpoint, for practical functional basketball, what specifically is wrong with Irving that he can't contribute to a modern NBA team winning on the court? That's not a rhetorical, I'm asking you and but also everyone else here who keeps talking about Irving's off the court problems as a means to shade down on his actual NBA skill set.

What Vick did is horrendous and thought he should've been banned for life especially since he was in a federal prison but you can't compare what Vick did to Kyrie. Kyrie is peddling BS that Hitler was saying and that Turkey says about the Armenian Holocaust. You just can't have that. Then again this is a league who banished Ernest Kanter from speaking the truth. I get it he wasn't good enough to risk the media but the dude was blackballed for standing up human rights. If Ernest Kanter can be black balled we can Black Ball Kyrie. Actions have consequences. It's time for Kyrie to get his. Any normal job one of us posters on here does what Kyrie does even at a large company we are losing our job probably working at the local Taco Bell next.

I really like a lot of your posts on NBA when it comes to player salaries and financials but you seem to be for whatever reason here defending the leagues lack of actions. We get the reasons why they won't do what we want already.

 

[DJackson10]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding

Yeah he's not doing any of that and if he does we all know it won't be meant.

 

[DJackson10]

how are people not Lebron fans?

i may never understand passionate anti-Lebron fans of the NBA.

Not a fan of the Super Team Era he ushered in.

people forget thier nba history forming superteams happened a lot before lebron the 1977 sixers with dr j collins and mcginnis the 97 rockets with the dream barkley and drexler the 04 lakers with the glove karl malone kobe and shaq and the 07 celtics with hold me back bro garnett ray allen and paul pierce all before lebron supposedly started it happening and it happening is more a function of changes in the collective bargaining agreement making player mobility a possibility anyhow take that to the bank brohans

You're right. We should all start rooting for Bron, Westie, and AD over some loser like Giannis who won't go play with the other kids.

not saying that but i am saying that he wasnt the first and wont be the last to,do the super team thing take that to the bank brohan

I think people's issues with Lebron forming super teams there is a few big ones. At least for me and from listening to others

1. How he went about announcing it like he was announcing the college he was going to play for. Anything to stroke his ego. Not only this but the cockiness with the not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 title thingy among others.

2. He had already started this recruiting 2 yrs prior to leaving at the Beijing games. Instead of trying to recruit a team to Clev he abandoned his home town team and went to MIA. He then leaves MIA high and dry to join CLE after he releases he can't win in MIA anymore.

3. The fact many proclaimed his as the next Micheal Jordan but unlike Jordan he didn't stay with the team that drafted him. What he did would be like MJ leaving in FA to join the Bad Boy Pistons.

4. Everywhere Lebron Goes he has to have his way or the highway. You can win a title with Lebron but you better be prepared for rock bottom as he'll leave a sinking ship for you to clean up he created.

When KG and company joined up they didn't make a scene about it. I wasn't around for some others. Malone was also traded. Chi other then Dennis Rodman signing was all acquired Draft or trade. You didn't see any of those guys pulling the stunts Lebron did. I think the hate is how Lebron went about it and then jumps ship the minute it doesn't work. He lacks or has zero Mamba Mentality. And for whatever reason for yrs guys like Whithorst and Broussard and others covered for Lebron trying to paint him the victim. Nothing can ever be LBJ's fault etc etc etc. I think now everyone is finally seeing like Tom Brady what Happens when things don't go the divas way.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

people forget thier nba history forming superteams happened a lot before lebron the 1977 sixers with dr j collins and mcginnis the 97 rockets with the dream barkley and drexler the 04 lakers with the glove karl malone kobe and shaq and the 07 celtics with hold me back bro garnett ray allen and paul pierce all before lebron supposedly started it happening and it happening is more a function of changes in the collective bargaining agreement making player mobility a possibility anyhow take that to the bank brohans

1987-88 Bucks: Randy Breuer/Paul Mokeski/Larry Krystowiak

all-hair team, imo

Mokeski and Sikma both rockin the classic 80s perm mullet that season. Mo was the spitting image of Kenny Powers.

 

[DJackson10]

It is amazing Lebron gets this much dislike when he has literally never had even one off the court controversy. Guy opened a school in his hometown for God’s sake. And it’s wildly successful.

A school he promised the town wouldn't have to spend anything on but fronted half the bill on you mean?

 

[DJackson10]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding

I'm not Jewish, but would love for others to way in. This seems potentially little over the top. If I was Jewish, I'm not sure I'd be upset about someone denying the Holocaust if they believed the earth was flat. Is Kyrie smart enough to know better or do we reach a point where we're picking on the mentally handicapped? I guess what I'm asking is can you be so mentally deficient that your employer should give you a reasonable accommodation? Maybe this is a reasonable accommodation.

This is problematic territory. I knew someone a coworker like Kyrie. For yrs people blamed it on mental sickness then we realized after meeting her brother she was never mentally ill. He said most of his family act like her and are just a bunch of racist a holes. This stuff is learned and taught a lot of times or people get in with some bad people. We need to stop defending misogyny racism, etc as some mental illness. They are just ignorant people. Now in some cases is someone mentally ill? Absolutely.

I have family who are part Armenian and many aren't aware of the Armenian holocaust as everyone including America was in denial of it for yrs. Joe Biden during his first term made a bill stating America official acknowledged the Armenian Holocaust. I also think way too many people use Mental illness to take advantage of situations. I see it constantly in my line of work from people who don't want to work or certain jobs. Have a coworker right now who cheats the system with this constantly. She does have bi polar but knows how to cheat the system. Got all of last summer off for a "medication change". One of my coworkers saw her on the NJ beach and there were whispers her lawyer mother bought her and her Husband a beach house and my coworker was just using the excuse to not work all summer.

Kyrie is just being an idiot plan and simple. He must be talking to Ben's agent if he trying to pull off the mental illness joke.

 

[DJackson10]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding

I'm not Jewish, but would love for others to way in. This seems potentially little over the top. If I was Jewish, I'm not sure I'd be upset about someone denying the Holocaust if they believed the earth was flat. Is Kyrie smart enough to know better or do we reach a point where we're picking on the mentally handicapped? I guess what I'm asking is can you be so mentally deficient that your employer should give you a reasonable accommodation? Maybe this is a reasonable accommodation.

looks purely like "we have to make it seem like we're giving him a chance so we can fire him after he doesn't comply"

they fully don't expect him to do all, or probably any, of these things. and when he doesn't they can use it in arbitration after refusing to pay him.

Exactly my take on this when I saw this. Nets making it seem we gave him a chance but he didn't apply.

 

[DJackson10]

Per shams:

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:

- $500K donation

I'm not going to get into the political aspect of this Irving controversy.

What I will say is an NBA owner ( no, I will not say "Governor") cannot mandate a player to give money to remove a team suspension. That's a clear and open violation of the CBA. Not just this CBA, all previous versions of CBAs. And not just in the NBA, this would be illegal in any of the major sports and their CBA's as well.

Whether the NBPA fights this aspect is another matter. Whether Adam Silver intervenes here against Joe Tsai, given the implication of billions at stake with Tsai's ties to the NBA China subdivision is another matter entirely.

Even if Irving offers on his own, and Tsai merely affirms it as a requirement is a violation of the CBA.

It also violates the aspects of collective bargaining that deals with "proxy" punishments. Tsai cannot technically fine Irving in this scandal. That was the point of the five game team suspension ( As a proxy 1.25 million dollar "fine"). By mandating a "donation", it's a workaround to fining Irving even further. You can create soft cover for a team suspension, you cannot create any kind of practical cover for a mandated donation.

Here a larger complication, Irving paid a total of $16,818,030 in fines for not being "in compliance with health and safety protocols", which costed him about $380,000 per missed game for the 2021-22 season

There's a practical legal basis for Irving to actually dispute those fines from 2021-22. Whether he will or will not is another story.

No matter what people think of Irving personally, you can't just violate the active CBA to go after him. Joe Tsai is opening up a legal can of worms that Adam Silver, NBA HQ and the rest of the owners, plus the networks don't want. Irving can make this all very ugly and very public in the court of law. The major aspects of this however cannot be discussed here, since we are all now prohibited from certain topics in the FBG forums.

Kyrie already tried to donate $500K and the group rejected it.

I'd rejected it like Mutumbo honestly as well. I don't want a donation from him I want him to publicly say I'm being an idiot and sorry for being an idiot and peddling lies I need to do better and I will forgo my entire salary the rest of the season.

 

[Frostillicus]

oh no

 

[fred_1_15301]

I don’t know a lick about the NBA but I’m rooting so hard for the Sixers to win it all.