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So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
 
Love Obi in Indiana.
Not sure how anyone can love this. If Toppin wasn't a lottery pick nobody could care. He is a fine player but he can't shoot and is nothing to get excited about
When starting (15 games) he’s averaged 21/6/3 on 70% true shooting, including 44% from 3 on 6 attempts per game. He clearly won’t be quite that good over the course of a full season, but given his success in limited starting opportunities, it’s exciting to see him finally get a bigger role.
 
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So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."

As it should be...this deal will dictate the future of the franchise.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."

As it should be...this deal will dictate the future of the franchise.
Harden to Knicks/Clippers
Dame to Philly
Combo of picks/young players from Knicks/Clippers + Philly to Portland

Could this work?
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."

As it should be...this deal will dictate the future of the franchise.
Harden to Knicks/Clippers
Dame to Philly
Combo of picks/young players from Knicks/Clippers + Philly to Portland

Could this work?

Fire up the trade machine.
 
On an appearance on SportsCenter Sunday, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski said it’s “more than conceivable” that The Beard could play for Philly again this season.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

And Portland has taken very good care of him financially...if things are tied than absolutely send him to Miami but if not, the team's main concern is the future of the team.
 
Not sure if this is in here, but brook Lopez back to the bucks for 2/48. Pretty good deal for the bucks.
Is it?

They are essentially running this same team for a two year window, then it will be interesting. From what I'm reading, this contract puts them in a salary range that has something to do with aprons, taxes and MLE that means they can only sign players to the league minimum from here on out. They brought back Jae Crowder yesterday - not a producer but I think it was the Bird rule that allowed them to pay him a bit more.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
What I am seeing is he wants to go to Miami. Portland is saying "we are open to offers from everyone". Evidently the two sides are working, but they may need a third team bc: 1) Portland is trying to unload another contract with Dames', and 2) Herro is in the deal but He may not be going to Portland (BC they need frontcourt help more than another guard) so Miami is trying to ship Herro to someone for a Big for Portland.

Again, these deals aren't easy, but I do find it interesting if Lilliard went about this above board (unlike guys like Kyrie or Durant that give their teams the finger after not really doing much to get them anywhere) and Portland is posturing themselves like he is some ungrateful ******* or something. I kind of disagree with the concept that Portland doing Lillard this way will affect how they get FA in the future bc those guys just want the paycheck. A few teams value loyalty.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
What I am seeing is he wants to go to Miami. Portland is saying "we are open to offers from everyone". Evidently the two sides are working, but they may need a third team bc: 1) Portland is trying to unload another contract with Dames', and 2) Herro is in the deal but He may not be going to Portland (BC they need frontcourt help more than another guard) so Miami is trying to ship Herro to someone for a Big for Portland.

Again, these deals aren't easy, but I do find it interesting if Lilliard went about this above board (unlike guys like Kyrie or Durant that give their teams the finger after not really doing much to get them anywhere) and Portland is posturing themselves like he is some ungrateful ******* or something. I kind of disagree with the concept that Portland doing Lillard this way will affect how they get FA in the future bc those guys just want the paycheck. A few teams value loyalty.
Almost every other team has more to offer than Miami. I really doubt Lillard goes to Miami unless there is a really creative 3 team deal. Portland needs to make a good business deal for them first and should not get fleeced just to accomodate Dame.
 
What he and FVV got is absolutely nuts. Both are average to below average NBA starters at their positions IMO. Why it's always laughable when I hear "they had money to spend!!". Ok well, don't tie it up moronically for the next many years on guys that have zero business making that type money

Who did you recommend besides FVV? Definitely an overpay but the contract number is irrelevant to Houston in this case. I didn't see many other decent guards available besides Harden and Kyrie. 2 year guaranteed (3rd is a team option) isn't bad for a team that MUST use their cap space and need a floor general.

As far as Brooks goes, I can't defend that move. I hate that guy almost as much as the contract :wall:
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
What I am seeing is he wants to go to Miami. Portland is saying "we are open to offers from everyone". Evidently the two sides are working, but they may need a third team bc: 1) Portland is trying to unload another contract with Dames', and 2) Herro is in the deal but He may not be going to Portland (BC they need frontcourt help more than another guard) so Miami is trying to ship Herro to someone for a Big for Portland.

Again, these deals aren't easy, but I do find it interesting if Lilliard went about this above board (unlike guys like Kyrie or Durant that give their teams the finger after not really doing much to get them anywhere) and Portland is posturing themselves like he is some ungrateful ******* or something. I kind of disagree with the concept that Portland doing Lillard this way will affect how they get FA in the future bc those guys just want the paycheck. A few teams value loyalty.
Almost every other team has more to offer than Miami. I really doubt Lillard goes to Miami unless there is a really creative 3 team deal. Portland needs to make a good business deal for them first and should not get fleeced just to accomodate Dame.
Probably true if Dame didn't care where he goes. He wants to go to Miami at this point. You, as a team, are taking on a 140 million dollar player to put on your payroll and lead your team. You want him to be "unhappy" in a league where players tend to have the power? Any team that offers up more than Miami is going to need to have a pitch available to Dame that "this is what you get if you come here", and part of that has to be a championship shot.

Again, I'm just talking this out. Even if we don't get Dame, we have made some decent moves so far to keep us in the playoff conversation. Dame makes us the team to beat in the east rather than top 4-5
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
What I am seeing is he wants to go to Miami. Portland is saying "we are open to offers from everyone". Evidently the two sides are working, but they may need a third team bc: 1) Portland is trying to unload another contract with Dames', and 2) Herro is in the deal but He may not be going to Portland (BC they need frontcourt help more than another guard) so Miami is trying to ship Herro to someone for a Big for Portland.

Again, these deals aren't easy, but I do find it interesting if Lilliard went about this above board (unlike guys like Kyrie or Durant that give their teams the finger after not really doing much to get them anywhere) and Portland is posturing themselves like he is some ungrateful ******* or something. I kind of disagree with the concept that Portland doing Lillard this way will affect how they get FA in the future bc those guys just want the paycheck. A few teams value loyalty.
Almost every other team has more to offer than Miami. I really doubt Lillard goes to Miami unless there is a really creative 3 team deal. Portland needs to make a good business deal for them first and should not get fleeced just to accomodate Dame.
Probably true if Dame didn't care where he goes. He wants to go to Miami at this point. You, as a team, are taking on a 140 million dollar player to put on your payroll and lead your team. You want him to be "unhappy" in a league where players tend to have the power? Any team that offers up more than Miami is going to need to have a pitch available to Dame that "this is what you get if you come here", and part of that has to be a championship shot.

Again, I'm just talking this out. Even if we don't get Dame, we have made some decent moves so far to keep us in the playoff conversation. Dame makes us the team to beat in the east rather than top 4-5

Where are you seeing that Miami is his preferred destination? I seriously can't find it anywhere.

Dame doesn't make them the team to beat in the East. They are in a group with the Celtics, Bucks and maybe another team depending on the moves that are made.

You can lose half your roster add Dame and think everything will just mesh like it did for a month in the playoffs. It might, but they aren't the clear cut favorite.
 
Dame doesn't make them the team to beat in the East. They are in a group with the Celtics, Bucks and maybe another team depending on the moves that are made.

I agree with this. From an article yesterday at the Athletic:

A Lillard trade (or any other for a third star) would probably have to consist of two of Kyle Lowry, Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson, as well as first-round picks in 2028 and 2030. (They cannot trade any pick before 2026 unless they and the Thunder agree to remove protections on the 2025 first-round pick already owed to Oklahoma City). Miami could also throw Jaquez and 2022 first-round pick Nikola Jović into any deal as a sweetener.

I would assume Herro and Duncan would be in the trade, leaving 37 year old Lowry with the Heat.

I probably haven't tracked all of the free agency movement, but Vincent, Strus, Oladipo, and Zeller are out, and Richardson is in.

If Herro and Robinson are gone, that leaves these players in the rotation:

PG - Lillard, Lowry
Wing - Butler, Richardson, Martin, Highsmith, Jaquez (R)
Big - Bam, Love

Can that rotation stay healthy with 4 players (Lillard, Lowry, Butler, Love) who will be 34 or older? Regardless, is that rotation really better than the Celtics and Bucks? I don't think so.
 
Love Obi in Indiana.
Not sure how anyone can love this. If Toppin wasn't a lottery pick nobody could care. He is a fine player but he can't shoot and is nothing to get excited about
this is pretty accurate. toppin seems to be one of those guys that will put up numbers and have ooh and aah dunks, but won’t help his team win. his d lacks and his 3 shot is really suspect. you’ll look up and see 19/8 stats every night and see a 30-52 team. next year he needs to get extended and the tougher call will come when indiana has to choose whether to make a $9.2 million qualifying offer that would come with a $20.4 million salary-cap hold for 2024-25, per Spotrac. nyk said no and instead of losing him for nothing, they got a pair of 2s. the sad thing is they turned a lottery pick into a pair of 2s. but unlike the nyk of past, they recognized the mistake and didn’t pay the guy. i wish toppin had enough value where they could’ve packaged fournier with him, but i guess no one really wanted toppin.
 
Morey needs to go.

Haven't been that impressed with him. I was happy with Simmons deal but thats about the only good thing he has done. Guess he also drafted maxey....
I would have rather kept curry and drummond and got haliburton instead of harden.

I completely forgot about that offer/rumor.

Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes and two-first-round picks in exchange for the Philadelphia 76ers' Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris and Matisse Thybulle, according to Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Even if you take a first out and Hield or Barnes the 76ers would look so much better going forward.
 
PG - Lillard, Lowry
Wing - Butler, Richardson, Martin, Highsmith, Jaquez (R)
Big - Bam, Love
The Heat also got Thomas Bryant who is a good fit with Bam when they go big. In limited volume he's been around 40% from 3, something like 3 of the last 4 years. An upgrade over Zeller and only 25.
 
I don't think it will happen, but I would like to see Dame on the Nets. Lillard, Cam, Bridges, Dinwiddie, Claxton, Walker, Finney-Smith, O'Neal. Would be a very fun and competitive team.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
What I am seeing is he wants to go to Miami. Portland is saying "we are open to offers from everyone". Evidently the two sides are working, but they may need a third team bc: 1) Portland is trying to unload another contract with Dames', and 2) Herro is in the deal but He may not be going to Portland (BC they need frontcourt help more than another guard) so Miami is trying to ship Herro to someone for a Big for Portland.

Again, these deals aren't easy, but I do find it interesting if Lilliard went about this above board (unlike guys like Kyrie or Durant that give their teams the finger after not really doing much to get them anywhere) and Portland is posturing themselves like he is some ungrateful ******* or something. I kind of disagree with the concept that Portland doing Lillard this way will affect how they get FA in the future bc those guys just want the paycheck. A few teams value loyalty.
Almost every other team has more to offer than Miami. I really doubt Lillard goes to Miami unless there is a really creative 3 team deal. Portland needs to make a good business deal for them first and should not get fleeced just to accomodate Dame.
Probably true if Dame didn't care where he goes. He wants to go to Miami at this point. You, as a team, are taking on a 140 million dollar player to put on your payroll and lead your team. You want him to be "unhappy" in a league where players tend to have the power? Any team that offers up more than Miami is going to need to have a pitch available to Dame that "this is what you get if you come here", and part of that has to be a championship shot.

Again, I'm just talking this out. Even if we don't get Dame, we have made some decent moves so far to keep us in the playoff conversation. Dame makes us the team to beat in the east rather than top 4-5
Dame can be unhappy all he wants but he has a 140M reasons to show up and play.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
What I am seeing is he wants to go to Miami. Portland is saying "we are open to offers from everyone". Evidently the two sides are working, but they may need a third team bc: 1) Portland is trying to unload another contract with Dames', and 2) Herro is in the deal but He may not be going to Portland (BC they need frontcourt help more than another guard) so Miami is trying to ship Herro to someone for a Big for Portland.

Again, these deals aren't easy, but I do find it interesting if Lilliard went about this above board (unlike guys like Kyrie or Durant that give their teams the finger after not really doing much to get them anywhere) and Portland is posturing themselves like he is some ungrateful ******* or something. I kind of disagree with the concept that Portland doing Lillard this way will affect how they get FA in the future bc those guys just want the paycheck. A few teams value loyalty.
Almost every other team has more to offer than Miami. I really doubt Lillard goes to Miami unless there is a really creative 3 team deal. Portland needs to make a good business deal for them first and should not get fleeced just to accomodate Dame.
Probably true if Dame didn't care where he goes. He wants to go to Miami at this point. You, as a team, are taking on a 140 million dollar player to put on your payroll and lead your team. You want him to be "unhappy" in a league where players tend to have the power? Any team that offers up more than Miami is going to need to have a pitch available to Dame that "this is what you get if you come here", and part of that has to be a championship shot.

Again, I'm just talking this out. Even if we don't get Dame, we have made some decent moves so far to keep us in the playoff conversation. Dame makes us the team to beat in the east rather than top 4-5
Dame can be unhappy all he wants but he has a 140M reasons to show up and play.
Cappy,

sure. But in the nba the players get paid whether they play like ballers or sit and sulk.
there s a true “anti Miami” bias in a lot of this. If he went to the sixers for their deal and the ghost of the beard people would applaud the GM For waiting out the blazers.


this is a game of chicken. Same thing happened with jimmy. Thibs had a deal in place with Riley for jimmy when he was in minny and then screwed him and traded jimmy to Philly. Jimmy still ended up in Miami.
 
Morey needs to go.

Haven't been that impressed with him. I was happy with Simmons deal but thats about the only good thing he has done. Guess he also drafted maxey....
he deserves credit for his moves with Horford and Richardson too when he joined the team. those 2 contracts weren't that easy to move off of at the time

Agree with Horford, but Richardson only made like 10.5 million for 2 years.

He has still been very bad, he killed the trade market for Simmons by himself which led to this Harden mess.
 
Good news fam. Ant is on vacation in Turks and Caicos, and considering he just signed with a new agent 4 days ago it makes total sense he hasn't signed his extension yet. Just in case, even though you know it's 99.8% he's going to sign, any of you are nearly in a total panic.
 
So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?
It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?
Interesting,...

"The Trail Blazers do not plan to cooperate with Damian Lillard on his trade request to the Heat, per @wojespn : – Portland “open for business everywhere in the league” on trading Lillard. – Blazers seeking a combination of young players, draft picks and cap relief. – Miami has no advantage over any other team because of Lillard’s demands."
Sounds like a little bit of posturing. Again, I’m a heat fan so I’m jaded, but Portland fans (GM) if lillard after being the good soldier asks for this do you give him the finger? I’m not saying you “give him away” but Miami note offering just Haywood highsmith and the ghost of Chris Bosh here…

I have yet to see that Lillard has asked for a trade to a specific destination? Just that he demanded a trade.
What I am seeing is he wants to go to Miami. Portland is saying "we are open to offers from everyone". Evidently the two sides are working, but they may need a third team bc: 1) Portland is trying to unload another contract with Dames', and 2) Herro is in the deal but He may not be going to Portland (BC they need frontcourt help more than another guard) so Miami is trying to ship Herro to someone for a Big for Portland.

Again, these deals aren't easy, but I do find it interesting if Lilliard went about this above board (unlike guys like Kyrie or Durant that give their teams the finger after not really doing much to get them anywhere) and Portland is posturing themselves like he is some ungrateful ******* or something. I kind of disagree with the concept that Portland doing Lillard this way will affect how they get FA in the future bc those guys just want the paycheck. A few teams value loyalty.
Almost every other team has more to offer than Miami. I really doubt Lillard goes to Miami unless there is a really creative 3 team deal. Portland needs to make a good business deal for them first and should not get fleeced just to accomodate Dame.
Probably true if Dame didn't care where he goes. He wants to go to Miami at this point. You, as a team, are taking on a 140 million dollar player to put on your payroll and lead your team. You want him to be "unhappy" in a league where players tend to have the power? Any team that offers up more than Miami is going to need to have a pitch available to Dame that "this is what you get if you come here", and part of that has to be a championship shot.

Again, I'm just talking this out. Even if we don't get Dame, we have made some decent moves so far to keep us in the playoff conversation. Dame makes us the team to beat in the east rather than top 4-5
Dame can be unhappy all he wants but he has a 140M reasons to show up and play.
Cappy,

sure. But in the nba the players get paid whether they play like ballers or sit and sulk.
there s a true “anti Miami” bias in a lot of this. If he went to the sixers for their deal and the ghost of the beard people would applaud the GM For waiting out the blazers.


this is a game of chicken. Same thing happened with jimmy. Thibs had a deal in place with Riley for jimmy when he was in minny and then screwed him and traded jimmy to Philly. Jimmy still ended up in Miami.


Why would there be anti-Miami bias? I love the city. Think the fan base is unrealistic sometimes but that’s probably all the cocaine.
 
Morey needs to go.

Haven't been that impressed with him. I was happy with Simmons deal but thats about the only good thing he has done. Guess he also drafted maxey....
he deserves credit for his moves with Horford and Richardson too when he joined the team. those 2 contracts weren't that easy to move off of at the time
Horford went on to become well worth the contract he was given. PHI had to give up a 2025 first and everyone's favorite new foreign dude Vasilije Micić
 
Dame to Utah is the latest buzz out there. My favorite angle is that "he went to college in Utah". Ah yes, nothing like the magnetic draw of Ogden, Utah to pull rap spitting, Bay Area mega-star who is the face of a beverage you can't buy in a Utah bar without also ordering a basket of fries and a membership.
 
Dame to Utah is the latest buzz out there. My favorite angle is that "he went to college in Utah". Ah yes, nothing like the magnetic draw of Ogden, Utah to pull rap spitting, Bay Area mega-star who is the face of a beverage you can't buy in a Utah bar without also ordering a basket of fries and a membership.

He might want to stay out west. Sounds like leaks just trying to drive up price, but you never know.
 
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