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I just don’t care.
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2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (2 Viewers)
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Chaka
Footballguy
I'm not sure about that, yet. Release the emails!!! Track the leaker!!!
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Man, when you fixate on hating someone... you go all in. You hear or see their name then all you see is red.Who cares. Gruden still sucks. He’s also still an a hole.
How Gruden email leaks led to Snyder's demise
The October 2021 leaks of Jon Gruden's toxic emails triggered a series of events that forced Dan Snyder to sell the Commanders. Sources interviewed by ESPN connect the leaks to Snyder, but they also say a larger cast of people might have been involved.www.espn.com
If you take a break on that for a half a second you might realize that this story is a whole lot more interesting than how you feel about Gruden.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Yea, from what I have picked up Snyder was protected and this story touches on that. The stuff he (or in the very least was done in his name) with the cheerleaders was absolutely digusting.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I posted the story here because of the Raider tie ins but the story itself is very interesting in getting a glimpse of the inner workings of the NFL. I don't see how you feel about Gurden, good or bad, being important to the interest of this story. If nothing else for this thread then the relationship between the Raider org and the league but in general there is much more than is interesting about it.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Meh. I simply said I don’t care. I don’t like gruden. Never did after he left the first time. So you got me there.Man, when you fixate on hating someone... you go all in. You hear or see their name then all you see is red.Who cares. Gruden still sucks. He’s also still an a hole.How Gruden email leaks led to Snyder's demise
The October 2021 leaks of Jon Gruden's toxic emails triggered a series of events that forced Dan Snyder to sell the Commanders. Sources interviewed by ESPN connect the leaks to Snyder, but they also say a larger cast of people might have been involved.
If you take a break on that for a half a second you might realize that this story is a whole lot more interesting than how you feel about Gruden.
Rich men and their toys. I don’t care, nor am I surprised that they are scumbags. Especially when all signs point that way. Snyder is a pos? :gasp: that’s impossible!! He seems like such a nice guy.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Don’t find it interesting. Just like Kraft getting a handy. Not interesting. And color me shocked that krafts indiscretions were swept under the rug. SHOCKED
I understand how big business works. And it’s neither interesting or shocking
ZADO
Footballguy
I love how much guys like Gruden and Carr love their sport and the Raiders organization and the team as a whole . They both bled Black n Silver , for that alone they earned my respect. Whether they were good enough to take the Raiders to the top is irrelevant , their passion for the Raiders is admirable .I wish them both the best of luck and hope they both succeed in their future endeavors.
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
3 Reasons why Josh McDaniels isn't on Las Vegas Raiders hot seat in 2023
Despite his performance in year-one, Josh McDaniels is no where close to being on the Las Vegas Raiders hot seat.
sportsnaut.com
mo is my favorite sports reporter.
people make a big deal about G possibly not playing because of the foot, but that gives the team an out on paying him and taking a cap hit.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Al traded him away.Meh. I simply said I don’t care. I don’t like gruden. Never did after he left the first time. So you got me there.Man, when you fixate on hating someone... you go all in. You hear or see their name then all you see is red.Who cares. Gruden still sucks. He’s also still an a hole.How Gruden email leaks led to Snyder's demise
The October 2021 leaks of Jon Gruden's toxic emails triggered a series of events that forced Dan Snyder to sell the Commanders. Sources interviewed by ESPN connect the leaks to Snyder, but they also say a larger cast of people might have been involved.
If you take a break on that for a half a second you might realize that this story is a whole lot more interesting than how you feel about Gruden.
Rich men and their toys. I don’t care, nor am I surprised that they are scumbags. Especially when all signs point that way. Snyder is a pos? :gasp: that’s impossible!! He seems like such a nice guy.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I’m aware. After He was no longer a raider. Better? And just fyi, he still left. He also left a 2nd time. How would you like me phrase that departure?Al traded him away.Meh. I simply said I don’t care. I don’t like gruden. Never did after he left the first time. So you got me there.Man, when you fixate on hating someone... you go all in. You hear or see their name then all you see is red.Who cares. Gruden still sucks. He’s also still an a hole.How Gruden email leaks led to Snyder's demise
The October 2021 leaks of Jon Gruden's toxic emails triggered a series of events that forced Dan Snyder to sell the Commanders. Sources interviewed by ESPN connect the leaks to Snyder, but they also say a larger cast of people might have been involved.
If you take a break on that for a half a second you might realize that this story is a whole lot more interesting than how you feel about Gruden.
Rich men and their toys. I don’t care, nor am I surprised that they are scumbags. Especially when all signs point that way. Snyder is a pos? :gasp: that’s impossible!! He seems like such a nice guy.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The way you wrote that was that you were mad that he left.I’m aware. After He was no longer a raider. Better? And just fyi, he still left. He also left a 2nd time. How would you like me phrase that departure?Al traded him away.Meh. I simply said I don’t care. I don’t like gruden. Never did after he left the first time. So you got me there.Man, when you fixate on hating someone... you go all in. You hear or see their name then all you see is red.Who cares. Gruden still sucks. He’s also still an a hole.How Gruden email leaks led to Snyder's demise
The October 2021 leaks of Jon Gruden's toxic emails triggered a series of events that forced Dan Snyder to sell the Commanders. Sources interviewed by ESPN connect the leaks to Snyder, but they also say a larger cast of people might have been involved.
If you take a break on that for a half a second you might realize that this story is a whole lot more interesting than how you feel about Gruden.
Rich men and their toys. I don’t care, nor am I surprised that they are scumbags. Especially when all signs point that way. Snyder is a pos? :gasp: that’s impossible!! He seems like such a nice guy.
ZADO
Footballguy
You make it seem like he had a choice to leave or notI’m aware. After He was no longer a raider. Better? And just fyi, he still left. He also left a 2nd time. How would you like me phrase that departure?Al traded him away.Meh. I simply said I don’t care. I don’t like gruden. Never did after he left the first time. So you got me there.Man, when you fixate on hating someone... you go all in. You hear or see their name then all you see is red.Who cares. Gruden still sucks. He’s also still an a hole.How Gruden email leaks led to Snyder's demise
The October 2021 leaks of Jon Gruden's toxic emails triggered a series of events that forced Dan Snyder to sell the Commanders. Sources interviewed by ESPN connect the leaks to Snyder, but they also say a larger cast of people might have been involved.
If you take a break on that for a half a second you might realize that this story is a whole lot more interesting than how you feel about Gruden.
Rich men and their toys. I don’t care, nor am I surprised that they are scumbags. Especially when all signs point that way. Snyder is a pos? :gasp: that’s impossible!! He seems like such a nice guy.
massraider
Footballguy
Course he did. Coaches don't get traded where they don't wanna go.
Al asked him if he wanted to leave, he said yes
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
After Al shipped him out of town? and then he was railroaded out of town? Better?You make it seem like he had a choice to leave or notI’m aware. After He was no longer a raider. Better? And just fyi, he still left. He also left a 2nd time. How would you like me phrase that departure?Al traded him away.Meh. I simply said I don’t care. I don’t like gruden. Never did after he left the first time. So you got me there.Man, when you fixate on hating someone... you go all in. You hear or see their name then all you see is red.Who cares. Gruden still sucks. He’s also still an a hole.How Gruden email leaks led to Snyder's demise
The October 2021 leaks of Jon Gruden's toxic emails triggered a series of events that forced Dan Snyder to sell the Commanders. Sources interviewed by ESPN connect the leaks to Snyder, but they also say a larger cast of people might have been involved.
If you take a break on that for a half a second you might realize that this story is a whole lot more interesting than how you feel about Gruden.
Rich men and their toys. I don’t care, nor am I surprised that they are scumbags. Especially when all signs point that way. Snyder is a pos? :gasp: that’s impossible!! He seems like such a nice guy.
His ego was the reason for both departures. He’s an arrogant pos. Net result, traded away from an extremely good team. Goes to a similarly talented team and wins against a team without its center and he knew every play they were running because Callahan is an idiot.
And then fired from a 100,000,000 dollar deal. He might litigate some or all of that money back.
the choice to be a pos has always been his.
rockaction
Footballguy
That Gruden thing was a character assassination hit job beyond all character assassination hit jobs outside of politics, and I knew the exact reason why they did it (you can see my comments elsewhere at the time). It was a PR stunt to get out from under Snyder. Odious. I don't care how unsympathetic Gruden is as a figure, this was a hit job perpetrated by either Snyder or the NFL (I'd guess both) to take the sting away from Danny's odious tenure as human being, never mind as owner of an NFL franchise.
We know that most billionaires aren't choir boys, but this guy might just take the cake as the chief exhibit for the wealth tax. An odious business practice led to his fortune and he's done nothing to acquit himself since.
Gruden was a fall guy for a bigger problem in the NFL.
And Roc Nation? Oh my God. LOL. Jay-Z and his eminent domain friends (remember Kelo? That redefinition of the words "public use" -- thank you, Justice Stevens -- was how they got all the land for the Brooklyn Nets arena) are going to salvage the league's reputation by holding them hostage in a race hustle? I nearly just spit the bit. These ******** all deserve each other and deserve to go down in the same ship together.
We know that most billionaires aren't choir boys, but this guy might just take the cake as the chief exhibit for the wealth tax. An odious business practice led to his fortune and he's done nothing to acquit himself since.
Gruden was a fall guy for a bigger problem in the NFL.
And Roc Nation? Oh my God. LOL. Jay-Z and his eminent domain friends (remember Kelo? That redefinition of the words "public use" -- thank you, Justice Stevens -- was how they got all the land for the Brooklyn Nets arena) are going to salvage the league's reputation by holding them hostage in a race hustle? I nearly just spit the bit. These ******** all deserve each other and deserve to go down in the same ship together.
ZADO
Footballguy
You are correct sir, i had to go back and revisit the circumstances of that Tampa trade
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You really like the word "odious" don't you?
You know there isn’t much hype to the 2023 season when Raider fans are still talking about Jon Gruden and Derek Carr. Kind of sad really. I’m more worried about if our QB1 will suit up, never mind competing for the playoffs. Davis should be the next owner forced out of the League.
Chaka
Footballguy
Mark Davis is a National Treasure!
joey
Footballguy
Yeah, this season is going to suck, I fear.
sure, the optimist in me wants to lean on the “Jimmy G is a winner” and hope he magically stays healthy and maybe we surprise some people. If things go well, I see us at 7-5 at the bye and, heck, maybe something amazing happens.
And can we FINALLY get a year where the D actually shows some big improvements? even a top 16 finish would be a move in the right direction.
rockaction
Footballguy
Can you guys trade Davante Adams like yesterday to somebody with a QB who wants him? Interested party here looking on...
Chaka
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am not where close to being a fan of Jimmy G. He is a system QB that has rabbits foot stuck up his rear in his life for everything other than getting hurt. That being said, he is in that system. Assuming we don't fumble Jacobs in some horrific way, I do believe the offense will run better than it did last year.... but there is a very high chance that Jimmy G will miss time and if that happens, unless O'Connell is a revelation and unseats Hoyer- it will be a rough go for those games. Hoyer is not good and he is old but he does know the system well.
The big question is can our secondary hold up against anyone? Is Jones going to have some value? Is Wilson as advertised? Can Tillery get push up the middle without being a liability in the run game? Essentially can we not have teams score 30 or 40 on us every game?
Agree… it’s really all about the defense. And overall depth and talent of the team. Apparently to McDaniels and Ziegler, QB is just another position. I’m looking for the next Mike Vrabel, Bruschi, Ty Law, Patrick Chung, Vince Wifork, Lawyer Malloy. That seems to be the way they are building.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I have to wonder how much Belicheat had a hand in all those defensive gems they drafted into NE over those glory years versus the front office/scouting. I may not like him but you can't deny that guy knows defense and seemed to find pro bowlers automatically every draft.
The first draft Parham looks to be a great pick that is an above average G and future pro bowl caliber C. Zamir White flashed potential when Jacobs rarely got off the field and he got a chance. Farrell had some flashes while Butler needs to do more. Munford also showed some potential and developing. Brown basically didn't see the field but who knows if that was being buried on a pretty good RB room of vets with Jacobs jealously guarding all snaps.
For this draft... I believe Wilson will be a defensive stud. I think he will supplant Jones by end of the year. He has the potential to make a real difference on this defense with Maxx on the other side. a serious pass rushing threat opposite of him will make a huge difference. I think Mayer is the best overall TE and he fits this offense much better than Waller did. He is a similar type of player to Gronk and if we get can 75% of what Gronk did for NE that is a home run pick. We shall see about Byron Young. Tucker was an interesting pick but he adds speed to the WR corps that they obviously wanted to do badly. Bennett has been getting some early buzz. If O'Connell turns into a reliable back up for years to come that is a win, anything more is gravy. He seems to me to be pretty much the prototypical QB that McD desires. Smith is intriguing and it will be interesting to see how Moehrig develops or doesn't in year two of the system and if he doesn't if Smith can take advantage. Here is hoping for good things from Burney and Silvera.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
1. Gruden and Carr are far out of my mind they aren't current Raiders.
2. Davis hasn't done anything wrong. He should not be forced out. He wants to win he just picks the wrong guys to get that done, though I have more faith in Ziegler and McDaniels then I did with Gruden and Mayock.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
No, the new #4 is going to sling it to Adams all day long!!!!
This is about as positive as Raider fans get lately. Yeah we got Maxx Crosby but the NFL and refs can neutralize him by not calling holding penalties.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Every damn play
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
The ONLY reason for the raiders to EVER play Hoyer is out of fear that the Oline could not protect O'Connell. Literally ZERO chance to win a football game with this guy, regardless of whether he "knows the system".
Chadstroma
Footballguy
In case you guys missed it.... Blake Martinez retired from football mid season last year to sell Pokemon cards.... and make bank doing it.
Chaka
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Todays the day for Jacob’s. Barkley, cook and jacobs. Those are some bIG names. I think the owners call their bluffs. Rbs just dont hold the power anymore.
I have a gut feeling Jacobs will get a decent contract. Only because this team is in transition at the QB position. If they’re going to establish any identity on offense, it has to start at the Oline and RB.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
We shall see. Tafur stated the negotiations would come down to the wire but did not give an indication that he believed a deal would be done or not. My bet is that the Raiders will offer slightly more than the $10.1 million on the tag for a few years and team Jacobs will look around and realize Dalvin Cook is unsigned, Barkley hasn't got a deal. Teams are paying RB's less and less. That McD with the NE pedigree has a history of paying RB's even less and using a RBBC approach which they have a stable of RB's to do that with. Yea, I think the Raiders give their offer which is slightly more appealing than the tag and don't budge and Jacobs has to cave or make a big mistake.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The one thing that is a big positive for Jacobs is apparently Davis loves him and thinks he is the ideal Raider that we want. When the owner wants something... usually the owner gets it.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
IMO Mayer is the best overall TE in the draft. A guy like Kincaid may out fantasy produce him but Mayer will be the better NFL TE over the career. I have really no doubts about that.
massraider
Footballguy
That was a fun read. Good for him
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Why would the NFL owners want rid of Davis? The Raiders somehow are still a popular team but are consistent losers. If I was a NFL owner I would love Davis. You get solid ticket sales when they come to town and you get the W.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Jacobs is a great RB but I don’t see the point of keeping him. The Raiders are not a playoff caliber team with or without Jacobs. That is all you need to know when deciding Jacobs future with LV. Let him walk. Trade Adams and rebuild the team so the talent is there in 2-3 years to be competitive.
Makes sense… Although, as a fan since 1980, I’d like to see him sell. There’s just been too much chaos and upheaval from top to bottom since his father passed. I don’t have any faith in him figuring it out. Al was so good early on at finding young, up and coming coaches. Apparently Tommy Boy wasn’t paying attention. As negative as I’ve become about the direction of the organization, I actually like Ziegler but I realize he’s a package deal with McDaniels. If one fails, they both fail.
I get it. If they signed Jacobs to a multi year deal, it most likely would be rewarding him for what he did in the past, and it would probably be looked back on as a mistake. And no matter what happens with JJ, I see an increase in Zamir White’s production. Either way, Jacobs will not match his career year last year, whether it be by design, injury or just natural RB production drop off. But, if they don’t keep some of their leaders and star players, this team will look like an expansion team by week 5
massraider
Footballguy
Most of my memories are of his father completely screwing up the team. January 1984 was a long time ago. Perhaps Tommy Boy wasn't paying attention 40 years ago.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
That’s true. If Al would have stuck with Shanahan things would have been a lot different in the late 80s to early 90s. But as Ron Wolf once said in an interview, “When winning lawsuits took priority over winning on the field, the Raiders have never been the same.”
Chaka
Footballguy
Teams can turn around a lot faster than 2-3 years in today's NFL.
That being said if they lost 17 and landed Caleb Williams or Drake Maye I wouldn't complain. I would also hope Williams/Maye would have Davante Adams to throw the ball to and Jacobs in the backfield.
They are in this weird “no-man’s land” where their season can go either way like you previously mentioned. For the first time in a long time, I have no idea one way or the other which side of the fence the 2023 Raiders will fall to.
The pessimist view is to tank while Mahomes and the Chiefs are at the height of their dominance. JimmyG barely sees the field, Jacobs holds out and Davante becomes so frustrated, he forces a trade or poisons the locker room. On defense Crosby still is the only playmaker on D but he’s held so often and double teamed that he can only do so much. Tyree Wilson barely has an impact and Diablo never lives up to the offseason promise. And Spillane is another JAG…
The optimist will see JimmyG miraculously stay healthy and lead a top 15 offense and rookie TE Mayer becomes a red zone threat DC always wanted. JJ is back running hard as ever.
The biggest improvement will be seen on the defense.
Mike Epps turns out to be an excellent free agent signing, shoring up the strong safety position, helping Moerihg make a leap and play better. Hobbs and Diablo come back from injury strong. The new faces at corner, Shelly and Long actually make a difference. Tyree Wilson and his bum foot are all in the past and comes in and shows he can be a difference maker right away. And finally the Dline gets sorted out the young guys from last year and this year’s draft stepping up along with Bilal Nicols. All could possibly add up to 9-10 wins and possible playoff push.
Both scenarios are possible, but the worst thing to happen in my opinion is another 6 win season. Just good enough not to land a top QB without having to give up the farm to get him. And horrible enough to continue to be irrelevant and laughingstock status.
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