2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (2 Viewers)

[DA RAIDERS]

This is the new Raiders. I don’t think I like the direction of the team but I’m tired of the horrible personnel management of the old Raiders.

This is the new Raiders. I’m tired.

The new Raiders are being run 100% like a business. When you treat people like numbers on a spreadsheet you lose all sense of family and community. Jacobs is more than a RB to this organization. He was a team captain and a leader. Everyone is replaceable with the new Raiders, just cogs in the machine. There is absolutely nothing to get excited about as we edge closer to training camp. It’s a shame what is happening to this once proud organization.

Thats the way they run it in New England and it works , just do your job .

Clearly whatever the Raiders have been doing hasnt worked in decades .

Well... it worked when they had the greatest QB there for a couple of decades.... so far without.... not so much. It may be possible that the "Patriot Way" was "The TB Coattails Way"

That isn't exactly fair. The Tom Brady of his first seven seasons, when they won three Lombardi's, was not the same guy that he became from season eight on. From season eight on his COMP% went up 3.5%, his TD% went up by a full point and his INT% went down by the same.

I think it is absolutely fair to say that the latter Brady absolutely allowed Belichick to slowly grow complacent with the notion of his own genius by masking many deficiencies. That has come home to roost with the current Pats (probably). Even then the Patriots Super Bowl winning teams had the #6, 1, 2, 8, 1 & 7 scoring defense.

I also think we shouldn't discount the impact losing McDaniels had on the Patriots offense.

Meh...

Belicheat failed in Cleveland and hasn't had success without TB so far. He needs to show me something. If the "Patriot Way" wasn't really Brady then him leaving shouldn't have sent the team into being an average at best team.

I have no love for Brady, Belichick or the Patriots (anyone who spends time in this thread should know my level of disdain for all of them) and I think you are being intentionally obtuse.

Belichick didn't come close to failing in Cleveland he took that team to an 11-5 record and the divisional round of the playoffs then, before the following season even began Modell made it clear he was taking the team away from Cleveland.

He is one of the greatest coaches of all time. I don't like him but absolutely wish the Raiders had gotten to him before the Patriots.

Chad hates belicheck almost as much as I hate Gruden.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Average salary in the NFL for RB's: $1.81M
Average salary in the NFL for kicker's: $2.26M

this stupid meme has been all over social media. There are 32 kickers in the league. There are over 120 rbs in the league. It’s a horrible stat to base anything off of. Tell me the average salary of starting rbs. Then it will be accurate.

Jacobs has been offered a 1 year deal making top 5 money. He wants more contract length and probably more money. It’s a business. Ain’t gonna happen. And I’m ok with it. He‘ll play this year. Too many baby mommas to feed.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Bellychick's Browns tenure was far from a failure. We are talking about the Browns here, whom he made somewhat competitive, if not respectable. And beyond that, before Big Belly arrived and turned the Patriots into the NFL's all-time greatest winner, they were the Browns. Tecmo Bowl put them in pink jerseys for good reason.

For me it's lumping the final season in Cleveland in with the rest of them. I know enough of us were around to remember that well. That was an impossible situation for any coach.

By this rationale.... seriously, without being INTENTIONALLY obtuse.... who would be a better GOAT than Bisaccia? Took our pathetic Raider org that doesn't know how to spell playoffs with one appearance since our last SB.... with a team in complete upheaval the likes of which NO team has ever gone through and took them to the playoffs. That is way more of an accomplishment than one playoff year with several crap years before and a crap year after to be 'successful' then ride GOAT tails to be considered the GOAT HC.

A defensive mastermind? Yes. A great HC? Yes. Better HC than what we have had the last twenty plus years? Yes. GOAT HC? Well... howabout you win without Purcells/LT or Brady.... then I will consider it.

Stop. That coach b argument is so lame. Dude has never sniffed a HC job outside of getting one by default. Yes I know he got an interview this year. His first ever. Stop being overtly obtuse.

 

[Chadstroma]

This is the new Raiders. I don’t think I like the direction of the team but I’m tired of the horrible personnel management of the old Raiders.

This is the new Raiders. I’m tired.

The new Raiders are being run 100% like a business. When you treat people like numbers on a spreadsheet you lose all sense of family and community. Jacobs is more than a RB to this organization. He was a team captain and a leader. Everyone is replaceable with the new Raiders, just cogs in the machine. There is absolutely nothing to get excited about as we edge closer to training camp. It’s a shame what is happening to this once proud organization.

Thats the way they run it in New England and it works , just do your job .

Clearly whatever the Raiders have been doing hasnt worked in decades .

Well... it worked when they had the greatest QB there for a couple of decades.... so far without.... not so much. It may be possible that the "Patriot Way" was "The TB Coattails Way"

That isn't exactly fair. The Tom Brady of his first seven seasons, when they won three Lombardi's, was not the same guy that he became from season eight on. From season eight on his COMP% went up 3.5%, his TD% went up by a full point and his INT% went down by the same.

I think it is absolutely fair to say that the latter Brady absolutely allowed Belichick to slowly grow complacent with the notion of his own genius by masking many deficiencies. That has come home to roost with the current Pats (probably). Even then the Patriots Super Bowl winning teams had the #6, 1, 2, 8, 1 & 7 scoring defense.

I also think we shouldn't discount the impact losing McDaniels had on the Patriots offense.

Meh...

Belicheat failed in Cleveland and hasn't had success without TB so far. He needs to show me something. If the "Patriot Way" wasn't really Brady then him leaving shouldn't have sent the team into being an average at best team.

I have no love for Brady, Belichick or the Patriots (anyone who spends time in this thread should know my level of disdain for all of them) and I think you are being intentionally obtuse.

Belichick didn't come close to failing in Cleveland he took that team to an 11-5 record and the divisional round of the playoffs then, before the following season even began Modell made it clear he was taking the team away from Cleveland.

He is one of the greatest coaches of all time. I don't like him but absolutely wish the Raiders had gotten to him before the Patriots.

Chad hates belicheck almost as much as I hate Gruden.

Impossible. Your hate of Gruden makes VY Canis Majoris look like an ant.

 

[Chadstroma]

Average salary in the NFL for RB's: $1.81M
Average salary in the NFL for kicker's: $2.26M

this stupid meme has been all over social media. There are 32 kickers in the league. There are over 120 rbs in the league. It’s a horrible stat to base anything off of. Tell me the average salary of starting rbs. Then it will be accurate.

Jacobs has been offered a 1 year deal making top 5 money. He wants more contract length and probably more money. It’s a business. Ain’t gonna happen. And I’m ok with it. He‘ll play this year. Too many baby mommas to feed.

It doesn't matter... the point is that teams can go out and get a RB they can win with and not pay a lot to. The market is what the market is.

 

[Chadstroma]

Bellychick's Browns tenure was far from a failure. We are talking about the Browns here, whom he made somewhat competitive, if not respectable. And beyond that, before Big Belly arrived and turned the Patriots into the NFL's all-time greatest winner, they were the Browns. Tecmo Bowl put them in pink jerseys for good reason.

For me it's lumping the final season in Cleveland in with the rest of them. I know enough of us were around to remember that well. That was an impossible situation for any coach.

By this rationale.... seriously, without being INTENTIONALLY obtuse.... who would be a better GOAT than Bisaccia? Took our pathetic Raider org that doesn't know how to spell playoffs with one appearance since our last SB.... with a team in complete upheaval the likes of which NO team has ever gone through and took them to the playoffs. That is way more of an accomplishment than one playoff year with several crap years before and a crap year after to be 'successful' then ride GOAT tails to be considered the GOAT HC.

A defensive mastermind? Yes. A great HC? Yes. Better HC than what we have had the last twenty plus years? Yes. GOAT HC? Well... howabout you win without Purcells/LT or Brady.... then I will consider it.

Stop. That coach b argument is so lame. Dude has never sniffed a HC job outside of getting one by default. Yes I know he got an interview this year. His first ever. Stop being overtly obtuse.

So.... what you are saying is that you understand the analogy? I am so proud of you bud! Maybe you are not intentionally overly obtuse?

 

[Chaka]

Bellychick's Browns tenure was far from a failure. We are talking about the Browns here, whom he made somewhat competitive, if not respectable. And beyond that, before Big Belly arrived and turned the Patriots into the NFL's all-time greatest winner, they were the Browns. Tecmo Bowl put them in pink jerseys for good reason.

For me it's lumping the final season in Cleveland in with the rest of them. I know enough of us were around to remember that well. That was an impossible situation for any coach.

By this rationale.... seriously, without being INTENTIONALLY obtuse.... who would be a better GOAT than Bisaccia? Took our pathetic Raider org that doesn't know how to spell playoffs with one appearance since our last SB.... with a team in complete upheaval the likes of which NO team has ever gone through and took them to the playoffs. That is way more of an accomplishment than one playoff year with several crap years before and a crap year after to be 'successful' then ride GOAT tails to be considered the GOAT HC.

A defensive mastermind? Yes. A great HC? Yes. Better HC than what we have had the last twenty plus years? Yes. GOAT HC? Well... howabout you win without Purcells/LT or Brady.... then I will consider it.

Stop. That coach b argument is so lame. Dude has never sniffed a HC job outside of getting one by default. Yes I know he got an interview this year. His first ever. Stop being overtly obtuse.

So.... what you are saying is that you understand the analogy? I am so proud of you bud! Maybe you are not intentionally overly obtuse?

LOL all the love in the world to coach B, I wish him the best and am grateful for what he did for the team. But, if he was that good why is he back to being a ST coach? If BB was so bad (mediocre and talent dependent?) why did he continue to have multiple HC opportunities?

Oh, it must be because uh, Parcells and...reasons.

I'm certain Tom Brady would have all those rings no matter where he landed.

 

[Chadstroma]

Bellychick's Browns tenure was far from a failure. We are talking about the Browns here, whom he made somewhat competitive, if not respectable. And beyond that, before Big Belly arrived and turned the Patriots into the NFL's all-time greatest winner, they were the Browns. Tecmo Bowl put them in pink jerseys for good reason.

For me it's lumping the final season in Cleveland in with the rest of them. I know enough of us were around to remember that well. That was an impossible situation for any coach.

By this rationale.... seriously, without being INTENTIONALLY obtuse.... who would be a better GOAT than Bisaccia? Took our pathetic Raider org that doesn't know how to spell playoffs with one appearance since our last SB.... with a team in complete upheaval the likes of which NO team has ever gone through and took them to the playoffs. That is way more of an accomplishment than one playoff year with several crap years before and a crap year after to be 'successful' then ride GOAT tails to be considered the GOAT HC.

A defensive mastermind? Yes. A great HC? Yes. Better HC than what we have had the last twenty plus years? Yes. GOAT HC? Well... howabout you win without Purcells/LT or Brady.... then I will consider it.

Stop. That coach b argument is so lame. Dude has never sniffed a HC job outside of getting one by default. Yes I know he got an interview this year. His first ever. Stop being overtly obtuse.

So.... what you are saying is that you understand the analogy? I am so proud of you bud! Maybe you are not intentionally overly obtuse?

LOL all the love in the world to coach B, I wish him the best and am grateful for what he did for the team. But, if he was that good why is he back to being a ST coach? If BB was so bad (mediocre and talent dependent?) why did he continue to have multiple HC opportunities?

Oh, it must be because uh, Parcells and...reasons.

I'm certain Tom Brady would have all those rings no matter where he landed.

Ok, let me lay it out for all of us intentionally overtly obtusians like me.

The analogy was meant to point out the silliness of saying the time with the Browns was not a failure because of one season to the playoffs. Using that same logic, Bisaccia is the GOAT of HC's because of his one season taking our crap team to the playoffs with all hell breaking loose around him. Much more impressive than taking the Browns once in 5 years while the previous three years and following year after that were all losing seasons.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Bellychick's Browns tenure was far from a failure. We are talking about the Browns here, whom he made somewhat competitive, if not respectable. And beyond that, before Big Belly arrived and turned the Patriots into the NFL's all-time greatest winner, they were the Browns. Tecmo Bowl put them in pink jerseys for good reason.

For me it's lumping the final season in Cleveland in with the rest of them. I know enough of us were around to remember that well. That was an impossible situation for any coach.

By this rationale.... seriously, without being INTENTIONALLY obtuse.... who would be a better GOAT than Bisaccia? Took our pathetic Raider org that doesn't know how to spell playoffs with one appearance since our last SB.... with a team in complete upheaval the likes of which NO team has ever gone through and took them to the playoffs. That is way more of an accomplishment than one playoff year with several crap years before and a crap year after to be 'successful' then ride GOAT tails to be considered the GOAT HC.

A defensive mastermind? Yes. A great HC? Yes. Better HC than what we have had the last twenty plus years? Yes. GOAT HC? Well... howabout you win without Purcells/LT or Brady.... then I will consider it.

Stop. That coach b argument is so lame. Dude has never sniffed a HC job outside of getting one by default. Yes I know he got an interview this year. His first ever. Stop being overtly obtuse.

So.... what you are saying is that you understand the analogy? I am so proud of you bud! Maybe you are not intentionally overly obtuse?

I’m all kinds of obtuse.

 

[joey]

This is the new Raiders. I don’t think I like the direction of the team but I’m tired of the horrible personnel management of the old Raiders.

This is the new Raiders. I’m tired.

This Belichick talk…I’m even more tired.

 

[Chaka]

The analogy was meant to point out the silliness of saying the time with the Browns was not a failure because of one season to the playoffs. Using that same logic, Bisaccia is the GOAT of HC's because of his one season taking our crap team to the playoffs with all hell breaking loose around him. Much more impressive than taking the Browns once in 5 years while the previous three years and following year after that were all losing seasons.

I understood the analogy, Chad.

I hate Tom Brady to the point I would stop being a fan if he became their starting QB this year. But I still have the ability to recognize him as one of the greatest to play the game. In this case I think you have lost that perspective.

 

[Chaka]

This is the new Raiders. I don’t think I like the direction of the team but I’m tired of the horrible personnel management of the old Raiders.

This is the new Raiders. I’m tired.

This Belichick talk…I’m even more tired.

Whatever. Is there a new angle on Jacobs contract we haven't discussed? It's late July and there ain't boo happening with the franchise that worthy of discussion.

Rookies report for TC today and veterans on the 25th. I am sure when stuff starts actually happening we'll be entirely focused on that.

 

[Chadstroma]

Bellychick's Browns tenure was far from a failure. We are talking about the Browns here, whom he made somewhat competitive, if not respectable. And beyond that, before Big Belly arrived and turned the Patriots into the NFL's all-time greatest winner, they were the Browns. Tecmo Bowl put them in pink jerseys for good reason.

For me it's lumping the final season in Cleveland in with the rest of them. I know enough of us were around to remember that well. That was an impossible situation for any coach.

By this rationale.... seriously, without being INTENTIONALLY obtuse.... who would be a better GOAT than Bisaccia? Took our pathetic Raider org that doesn't know how to spell playoffs with one appearance since our last SB.... with a team in complete upheaval the likes of which NO team has ever gone through and took them to the playoffs. That is way more of an accomplishment than one playoff year with several crap years before and a crap year after to be 'successful' then ride GOAT tails to be considered the GOAT HC.

A defensive mastermind? Yes. A great HC? Yes. Better HC than what we have had the last twenty plus years? Yes. GOAT HC? Well... howabout you win without Purcells/LT or Brady.... then I will consider it.

Stop. That coach b argument is so lame. Dude has never sniffed a HC job outside of getting one by default. Yes I know he got an interview this year. His first ever. Stop being overtly obtuse.

So.... what you are saying is that you understand the analogy? I am so proud of you bud! Maybe you are not intentionally overly obtuse?

I’m all kinds of obtuse.

Specially overtly.

 

[Chadstroma]

The analogy was meant to point out the silliness of saying the time with the Browns was not a failure because of one season to the playoffs. Using that same logic, Bisaccia is the GOAT of HC's because of his one season taking our crap team to the playoffs with all hell breaking loose around him. Much more impressive than taking the Browns once in 5 years while the previous three years and following year after that were all losing seasons.

I understood the analogy, Chad.

I hate Tom Brady to the point I would stop being a fan if he became their starting QB this year. But I still have the ability to recognize him as one of the greatest to play the game. In this case I think you have lost that perspective.

No. Tom Brady is the GOAT QB. I relented to that a while ago. I dislike Brady more than Belicheat too.

 

[Chaka]

The analogy was meant to point out the silliness of saying the time with the Browns was not a failure because of one season to the playoffs. Using that same logic, Bisaccia is the GOAT of HC's because of his one season taking our crap team to the playoffs with all hell breaking loose around him. Much more impressive than taking the Browns once in 5 years while the previous three years and following year after that were all losing seasons.

I understood the analogy, Chad.

I hate Tom Brady to the point I would stop being a fan if he became their starting QB this year. But I still have the ability to recognize him as one of the greatest to play the game. In this case I think you have lost that perspective.

No. Tom Brady is the GOAT QB. I relented to that a while ago. I dislike Brady more than Belicheat too.

Whelp, I guess Belichick has always been a terrible coach. Maybe one of the worst ever.

Glad we figured that out.

 

[Chadstroma]

The analogy was meant to point out the silliness of saying the time with the Browns was not a failure because of one season to the playoffs. Using that same logic, Bisaccia is the GOAT of HC's because of his one season taking our crap team to the playoffs with all hell breaking loose around him. Much more impressive than taking the Browns once in 5 years while the previous three years and following year after that were all losing seasons.

I understood the analogy, Chad.

I hate Tom Brady to the point I would stop being a fan if he became their starting QB this year. But I still have the ability to recognize him as one of the greatest to play the game. In this case I think you have lost that perspective.

No. Tom Brady is the GOAT QB. I relented to that a while ago. I dislike Brady more than Belicheat too.

Whelp, I guess Belichick has always been a terrible coach. Maybe one of the worst ever.

Glad we figured that out.

See what happens when you stop being intentionally overtly obtuse?

 

[Chadstroma]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

 

[Chadstroma]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

Did any give any evidence to that from sources or anything other than Jacobs sitting in the parking lot with Crosby?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

Did any give any evidence to that from sources or anything other than Jacobs sitting in the parking lot with Crosby?

Nope. tafur was the only one who said they were far apart

 

[Chadstroma]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

Did any give any evidence to that from sources or anything other than Jacobs sitting in the parking lot with Crosby?

Nope. tafur was the only one who said they were far apart

I didn't ask who said what and who didn't. I asked if they have any reason/evidence to say as much other than Jacobs chilling with Crosby?

I am not saying for sure either way. Tafur's report did not cite a source so I want to know if someone has something or are they doing what I have seen from other readings which is "well, he was in the parking lot waiting to sign so they must have been close!"

 

[RaiderBones]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Tafur's been wrong more than right lately, IMO!!!!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

Did any give any evidence to that from sources or anything other than Jacobs sitting in the parking lot with Crosby?

Nope. tafur was the only one who said they were far apart

I didn't ask who said what and who didn't. I asked if they have any reason/evidence to say as much other than Jacobs chilling with Crosby?

I am not saying for sure either way. Tafur's report did not cite a source so I want to know if someone has something or are they doing what I have seen from other readings which is "well, he was in the parking lot waiting to sign so they must have been close!"

I swear you never actually read my posts. I highlighted the portion you missed.

 

[ZADO]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

Did any give any evidence to that from sources or anything other than Jacobs sitting in the parking lot with Crosby?

Nope. tafur was the only one who said they were far apart

I didn't ask who said what and who didn't. I asked if they have any reason/evidence to say as much other than Jacobs chilling with Crosby?

I am not saying for sure either way. Tafur's report did not cite a source so I want to know if someone has something or are they doing what I have seen from other readings which is "well, he was in the parking lot waiting to sign so they must have been close!"

I swear you never actually read my posts. I highlighted the portion you missed.

My cousin was saying the same this as Tafur .....take that for what its worth

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

the pat's got a linemen who ain't happy with his contract. possible trade partner for jacobs?

 

[Chadstroma]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

Did any give any evidence to that from sources or anything other than Jacobs sitting in the parking lot with Crosby?

Nope. tafur was the only one who said they were far apart

I didn't ask who said what and who didn't. I asked if they have any reason/evidence to say as much other than Jacobs chilling with Crosby?

I am not saying for sure either way. Tafur's report did not cite a source so I want to know if someone has something or are they doing what I have seen from other readings which is "well, he was in the parking lot waiting to sign so they must have been close!"

I swear you never actually read my posts. I highlighted the portion you missed.

My cousin was saying the same this as Tafur .....take that for what its worth

Well... that does it. I don't believe Tafur anymore.

 

[LawFitz]

I can't find where I read that a franchise player could be given a larger salary or bonus in the franchise year, after the deadline passes, so long as it's not more than one year. I am doubting that premise now, but even if it's not the case of being able to do that post-July 15, they could've offered the option pre-deadline as an olive branch to keep the player happy. E.g...

Offer 1 - long-term deal, with the guarantees at minimum matching the first two years of what would be franchise player money across two seasons (for Jacobs, this would be ~$23 MM guaranteed), with little or no money guaranteed in year three or beyond, given the attrition of the position; or,

Offer 2 - one-yr deal, with a salary bump beyond the $10 MM franchise figure, to let's say $12.5 MM. The benefits the player and the team because now he presumably reports to camp on time, and hopefully is a lot less bitter.

I highly doubt they offered something like the above, given Jacobs cryptic Twitter responses the whole time. He's been basically calling them liars without coming out and spilling all the dirty laundry. This isn't how to treat a franchise player - even an RB - especially one in his mid 20s who absolutely carried the team the year prior. Crosby and Adams are better and more valuable than Jacobs, but Josh was last season's team MVP.

Yes, this post is yet another indictment on the Ronald McDonald show we have running the Raiders now. I hope they prove me wrong. We'll see.

 

[RaiderBones]

I can't find where I read that a franchise player could be given a larger salary or bonus in the franchise year, after the deadline passes, so long as it's not more than one year. I am doubting that premise now, but even if it's not the case of being able to do that post-July 15, they could've offered the option pre-deadline as an olive branch to keep the player happy. E.g...

Offer 1 - long-term deal, with the guarantees at minimum matching the first two years of what would be franchise player money across two seasons (for Jacobs, this would be ~$23 MM guaranteed), with little or no money guaranteed in year three or beyond, given the attrition of the position; or,

Offer 2 - one-yr deal, with a salary bump beyond the $10 MM franchise figure, to let's say $12.5 MM. The benefits the player and the team because now he presumably reports to camp on time, and hopefully is a lot less bitter.

I highly doubt they offered something like the above, given Jacobs cryptic Twitter responses the whole time. He's been basically calling them liars without coming out and spilling all the dirty laundry. This isn't how to treat a franchise player - even an RB - especially one in his mid 20s who absolutely carried the team the year prior. Crosby and Adams are better and more valuable than Jacobs, but Josh was last season's team MVP.

Yes, this post is yet another indictment on the Ronald McDonald show we have running the Raiders now. I hope they prove me wrong. We'll see.

It's the state of the RB position right now. The Raiders aren't the only ones playing hard ball with RB's. Giants did with Barkley, Mixon took a pay cut to stay with the Bengals, Ekeler wanted to be traded because he wanted more money but no one was buying, and the top free agent RB got a whopping 6 million during the offseason. I'm happy the Raiders didn't cave for Jacobs. This regime showed last year that they were willing to pay out big dollars with Adams, Carr, Waller, Renfrow, Crosby. So the regime isn't cheap by any means. Besides way pay a RB big dollars while rebuilding that makes no sense.

 

[Chadstroma]

I can't find where I read that a franchise player could be given a larger salary or bonus in the franchise year, after the deadline passes, so long as it's not more than one year. I am doubting that premise now, but even if it's not the case of being able to do that post-July 15, they could've offered the option pre-deadline as an olive branch to keep the player happy. E.g...

Offer 1 - long-term deal, with the guarantees at minimum matching the first two years of what would be franchise player money across two seasons (for Jacobs, this would be ~$23 MM guaranteed), with little or no money guaranteed in year three or beyond, given the attrition of the position; or,

Offer 2 - one-yr deal, with a salary bump beyond the $10 MM franchise figure, to let's say $12.5 MM. The benefits the player and the team because now he presumably reports to camp on time, and hopefully is a lot less bitter.

I highly doubt they offered something like the above, given Jacobs cryptic Twitter responses the whole time. He's been basically calling them liars without coming out and spilling all the dirty laundry. This isn't how to treat a franchise player - even an RB - especially one in his mid 20s who absolutely carried the team the year prior. Crosby and Adams are better and more valuable than Jacobs, but Josh was last season's team MVP.

Yes, this post is yet another indictment on the Ronald McDonald show we have running the Raiders now. I hope they prove me wrong. We'll see.

It's the state of the RB position right now. The Raiders aren't the only ones playing hard ball with RB's. Giants did with Barkley, Mixon took a pay cut to stay with the Bengals, Ekeler wanted to be traded because he wanted more money but no one was buying, and the top free agent RB got a whopping 6 million during the offseason. I'm happy the Raiders didn't cave for Jacobs. This regime showed last year that they were willing to pay out big dollars with Adams, Carr, Waller, Renfrow, Crosby. So the regime isn't cheap by any means. Besides way pay a RB big dollars while rebuilding that makes no sense.

And you forgot Cooks being cut. It looks better with the news today but they ate a little over a million to save $9 million in cutting him after a pro bowl season. Just another example that the market for RB's getting paid is not only static but dropping.

 

[massraider]

I am fine paying him franchise for one year, then maybe getting a 3rd or 4th when he leaves.

What we supposed to do, offer him 4/40? No way.

 

[Chaka]

I am fine paying him franchise for one year, then maybe getting a 3rd or 4th when he leaves.

What we supposed to do, offer him 4/40? No way.

I read a rumor that Saquon turned down a $13 mil average on a, I think, three years deal.

If true, and I suspect it isn't, that was a bad decision.

Either way I think he and Jacobs are looking for north of $10 mil/year.

I agree about $40/4 but I would have been good with $30/3. Heck, since it's not my money let's call it $36/3.

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

it's always the guaranteed money that holds up a signing

 

[ZADO]

greed is the worst

how many millions is enough?

 

[Chaka]

greed is the worst

how many millions is enough?

I'd ask the owners, "How many billions is enough?"

Players earn every penny and a substantial portion of the owners net worth too.

 

[ICON211]

I'd like to see something done to make things more fair for RBs. A couple things I was thinking about that could maybe help:

Increase the money for every draft slot just for RBs.

Forget about the average of the top 5 at the position for RBs for the franchise tag and make it a fixed amount. Something between $15-20M. They would be happier to play on the tag and more likely to get a long term deal.

 

[ICON211]

Free agent CB Marcus Peters is visiting the Raiders.
Peters will visit and work out for the Raiders on Monday. It will be his second time in Vegas this offseason with the first coming all the way back in May. Peters was limited to 13 games in 2022 because of a calf issue. He defended eight passes and notched one interception last year. Though at 30 years old he may be past his peak, Peters is still a solid option for any team in need of help in their secondary. He would take on a starting role in Las Vegas if he signs with them.

Please sign him.

 

[Chadstroma]

Free agent CB Marcus Peters is visiting the Raiders.
Peters will visit and work out for the Raiders on Monday. It will be his second time in Vegas this offseason with the first coming all the way back in May. Peters was limited to 13 games in 2022 because of a calf issue. He defended eight passes and notched one interception last year. Though at 30 years old he may be past his peak, Peters is still a solid option for any team in need of help in their secondary. He would take on a starting role in Las Vegas if he signs with them.

Please sign him.

I think I remember seeing recently we have $2.8 in cap right now.

 

[Enderdog]

Adam Schefter - Raiders’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo, who spent his off-season recovering from a foot injury, did in fact pass his training camp physical and is expected to begin training camp with his teammates, per league source. Raiders are not placing him on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

 

[massraider]

Adam Schefter - Raiders’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo, who spent his off-season recovering from a foot injury, did in fact pass his training camp physical and is expected to begin training camp with his teammates, per league source. Raiders are not placing him on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

Hi yes, can I please get the same level of screaming hot takes from national media and from pudgy fantasy writers on Twitter, k thanks

 

[Chadstroma]

Adam Schefter - Raiders’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo, who spent his off-season recovering from a foot injury, did in fact pass his training camp physical and is expected to begin training camp with his teammates, per league source. Raiders are not placing him on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he is hurt again.

 

[Chaka]

Adam Schefter - Raiders’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo, who spent his off-season recovering from a foot injury, did in fact pass his training camp physical and is expected to begin training camp with his teammates, per league source. Raiders are not placing him on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he is hurt again.

Without having checked the news I honestly have no idea if your post is cheeky or serious.

ETA: I guess this is the new normal for Raiders fans this season.

 

[RaiderBones]

Free agent CB Marcus Peters is visiting the Raiders.
Peters will visit and work out for the Raiders on Monday. It will be his second time in Vegas this offseason with the first coming all the way back in May. Peters was limited to 13 games in 2022 because of a calf issue. He defended eight passes and notched one interception last year. Though at 30 years old he may be past his peak, Peters is still a solid option for any team in need of help in their secondary. He would take on a starting role in Las Vegas if he signs with them.

Please sign him.

I think I remember seeing recently we have $2.8 in cap right now.

From what I read the Raiders can convert some of Garappolo's contract to a bonus now that he is healthy and open up cap space.

 

[Chadstroma]

Adam Schefter - Raiders’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo, who spent his off-season recovering from a foot injury, did in fact pass his training camp physical and is expected to begin training camp with his teammates, per league source. Raiders are not placing him on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he is hurt again.

Without having checked the news I honestly have no idea if your post is cheeky or serious.

ETA: I guess this is the new normal for Raiders fans this season.

I will be holding my breath on every QB hit. Heck, I saw a quick video of him walking into the facility today. I held my breath.

 

[ZADO]

Adam Schefter - Raiders’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo, who spent his off-season recovering from a foot injury, did in fact pass his training camp physical and is expected to begin training camp with his teammates, per league source. Raiders are not placing him on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he is hurt again.

You talking to my cousin or sumthin` ? What did he tell you?

 

[24oz]

Glad Jimmy G is ready to go.

 

[Bruno2]

That’s one down…. Anyone have any good news on Tyree’s injury?

 

[Chadstroma]

Adam Schefter - Raiders’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo, who spent his off-season recovering from a foot injury, did in fact pass his training camp physical and is expected to begin training camp with his teammates, per league source. Raiders are not placing him on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he is hurt again.

You talking to my cousin or sumthin` ? What did he tell you?

He says there are some big moves coming any day now.... a trade for Mahomes where we give them Jimmy G and our 1st round pick. Then a few more trades to add Quinnen Williams and DeForest Buckner and Sauce Garnder for draft picks... oh, and sign Marcus Peters.

But I don't know... that whole signing Peters thing seems like such a long shot.

 

[Chadstroma]

"Went nowhere”- Mike Florio voices concerns over Austin Ekeler's furious Zoom call with Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs to save RB market

Austin Ekeler, Saquon Barkley, and Josh Jacobs have been three of the NFL's more dependable running backs. However, there's a growing sentiment that running backs aren't being paid what they deserve.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[Chadstroma]

The market is what the market is for RB's. What are their options? Sit out? Ok... you miss out on $10 million and the market will still not change and you have no way of making that money up. Furthermore, the teams move on with other RB's and likely even provide more proof that you can go bargain bin rummaging to plug a guy or two or three in and get production.

Even the kids know this now. My son started with a private coach Saturday and I overheard the coach talking to another parent before our session that "Everyone wants to be QB and after that WR... they use to want to be RB but if it is between WR and RB they all want WR because that is where the money is."

 

[Chadstroma]

Tafur: Raiders and Josh Jacobs weren’t close to a long-term deal​

Vinny, hondo, pellisario and others say differently. Who knows. Tafur is most click bait these days. IMHO

Did any give any evidence to that from sources or anything other than Jacobs sitting in the parking lot with Crosby?

Nope. tafur was the only one who said they were far apart

I didn't ask who said what and who didn't. I asked if they have any reason/evidence to say as much other than Jacobs chilling with Crosby?

I am not saying for sure either way. Tafur's report did not cite a source so I want to know if someone has something or are they doing what I have seen from other readings which is "well, he was in the parking lot waiting to sign so they must have been close!"

I swear you never actually read my posts. I highlighted the portion you missed.

My cousin was saying the same this as Tafur .....take that for what its worth

Well... that does it. I don't believe Tafur anymore.

So... I went back to the Tafur article (looking for something else) and apparently the evidence of them not being close was Josh Jacobs himself tweeting a response to the Rich Eisen show that has Breer on saying "my sense is that they were close" with a blue cap (apparently that means 'lie' these days). I skipped the twitter screen shots and just read the article so I missed it before.

All the other reporting of them being close literally was reporting Jacobs sitting outside with Crosby = close.

The evidence points to them not being really close... no smoking gun but Jacobs saying they weren't is the best source of real info available.