Kiddnets
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Im game for 2 years of Rodgers but they have a lot of work to do. No more free rides - playoffs or bust for this regime no matter what happens.
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mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Best thing his cap hit is pretty nominal so if he can stay upright (a pretty big i)f, he will be a very cheap QB option.. this regime will not be changing.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Hopefully our gm can build an o-line next year, but color me skeptical. We can't use injuries as excuses anymore. We have Tippman as a centerpiece and AVT who has had 2 serious injuries. Then nothing else.
Becton has been horrible and will be gone.
Tomlinson's only attribute is that he stays healthy. Great. He gets to suck 24/7.
Turner the turnstile should be gone.
Schweitzer has been hurt all season.
McGovern will be gone.
Mitchell took a major step back.
Brown, hurt garbage will be gone.
Carter Warren, who knows.
Plus about 18 guards who I couldn't name to save my life and I watch every game.
Our GM is a disaster at building one of the most important things on any team.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
What's frustrating JD has had a few capable OL on the team and let them walk away like Moses and Fant and the right guard that was plucked last year as well. JD has done come good things like the amazing Adams trade and the 2022 Draft Class, but he has done some maddingly frustrating things as well like passing on Wirfs for Becton and this botched OL, making him pretty much a wash and a middle of the road GM at best who still hasn't figured out the OL and his "future" QB slot.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Becton has cost himself a ton with his awful play this year. At this point they may be able to bring him back on reserve money which is what he deserves/is at this point
The OL issue is strange - JD is a former OL, preached about how OL is the most important position, vowed to build a wall to protect all QBs back to Darnold - and its the worst in franchise history. I know injuries have played a role but he whiffed on Becton and Tomlinson, let some decent/cheap depth walk, and has failed to find talent in the draft at OL as he preached. I hate to keep picking on the McDonald pick as Im hoping he develops like JJ - but it was such luxury pick. If OL wasnt a value pick when on the board why didnt he just trade down, get more picks or better yet draft one of the stud WRs. Besides 2022 his drafts have been pretty lousy.
Hes likely going to have another draft/offseason - he has to focus almost completely on the offense. 3 new starters needed as well as depth - thats a lot to do without a lot of cap space and losing the 2d rder to GB.
The OL issue is strange - JD is a former OL, preached about how OL is the most important position, vowed to build a wall to protect all QBs back to Darnold - and its the worst in franchise history. I know injuries have played a role but he whiffed on Becton and Tomlinson, let some decent/cheap depth walk, and has failed to find talent in the draft at OL as he preached. I hate to keep picking on the McDonald pick as Im hoping he develops like JJ - but it was such luxury pick. If OL wasnt a value pick when on the board why didnt he just trade down, get more picks or better yet draft one of the stud WRs. Besides 2022 his drafts have been pretty lousy.
Hes likely going to have another draft/offseason - he has to focus almost completely on the offense. 3 new starters needed as well as depth - thats a lot to do without a lot of cap space and losing the 2d rder to GB.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
To be fair, I think all of us were pretty psyched when they signed Tomlinson. The dude was a stud in San Fran. Not sure what happened there. He also drafted two guys in Round 1 and brought in some bargain basement guys.
Now, it's a result based league and his results are poor - but there's some misconceptions in the fanbase that JD does not care about building the o-line, when in fact he did try and build the team in the right way - but his choices to do so, failed to pan out.
Now, it's a result based league and his results are poor - but there's some misconceptions in the fanbase that JD does not care about building the o-line, when in fact he did try and build the team in the right way - but his choices to do so, failed to pan out.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
NYRAGE
Footballguy
It would be pretty dumb to think that JD doesn't care about building the o-line. He just sucks at it.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Becton and the Jets are like 2 parents that have grown to despise each other, but have stuck around for the kids. Guess what? The kid is off to college in three weeks and the parents are already contacting their lawyers to draw up the papers.
sheerterror
Footballguy
All the more why this is so scary/frustrating to run this all back with the same trash coaching/gm combo. We're just banking on him all of a sudden getting it right on the line with, as mentioned above, a huge sample size of constantly missing at this position, minimal cap space and less a top 40 draft pick. Further, we're assuming that Rodgers can regain near MVP form from what will end up having been 3 seasons ago (come the beginning of next season) while also coming off a catastrophic injury. Just feels like we already know how this ends up.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Our Tank commander has arrived!
Kiddnets
Footballguy
He's definitely tried - but going into this season with a known terrible Tomlinson, oft injured and lousy Becton and the corpse of Brown was borderline malpractice
NYRAGE
Footballguy
We really don't have to try to tank. Comes naturally as soon as the offense steps on the field.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, I mean the team’s record shows that he’s clearly not done the job well.
I’ve said before at this point I really wish they could part ways with Rodgers start all over again with a new front office and coaching staff (even as depressing as that is).
The reality is Rodgers is coming back and so is the front office and coaching staff (minus a sacrificial lamb or two). That’s just the reality.
My guess is the team looks amazing during the preseason, but Rodgers starts the season out slow, the o-line still struggles, but the offense is NFL level at least. Then after four or five games he’s out for the season again and we wasted another year because the journeyman backup while better than this year’s dregs is still not good enough to win consistently.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You would think they’d have mirrored the 49er blocking schemes and found players that fit that mold, but then how do you explain Tomlinson?
I’m not going to revise history and claim I wasn’t happy with the Salah hire, but they clearly backed the wrong SF coordinator.
I really don’t have any faith this team turns it around any time soon.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Well next season will be the reverse of this one for hype. The expectation level will be near 0 now, maybe that's what is needed at this point. I do hope they sign a good vet to backup Rodgers and draft a developmental guy with some great raw skills to sit behind him fora few years, it would be a waste to not have him try and take a guy under his wing.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
You never know with Saleh, the genius mind, but the game was out of hand (27-0) and they let Izzy play the rest of the game. I think it was the last quarter and a half. Something like that.
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Huh.
sheerterror
Footballguy
The clairvoyance we develop as Jets fans over the years. Good call. But sad.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Nathaniel Hackett is probably my best and most prescient thread on this board. I took that one out one game into his Denver tenure. Of course he coaches the Jets now.
Of course he does.
Of course he does.
zamboni
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Does Ron Rivera get fired right after the game?
TLEF316
Footballguy
"What at awesome win!! Made my year!" , said absolutely nobody.
From 4 to 12 in the draft, costing them any chance at Harrison Jr or either of the 2 top tackles. Totally worth 90 minutes of "Good play" (mostly just the commanders laying down) 2 hours of throwing up all over themselves like always and then one made FG.
Obviously individual players are never going to tank. And this Jets staff doesn't know enough about what they're doing to purposely made a bad decision, but once again...another absolutely meaningless win with very meaningful consequences.
and the stupid intern running the official twitter account celebrating this "Stolen win" made me want to break my phone
Screw this crap franchise so much.
From 4 to 12 in the draft, costing them any chance at Harrison Jr or either of the 2 top tackles. Totally worth 90 minutes of "Good play" (mostly just the commanders laying down) 2 hours of throwing up all over themselves like always and then one made FG.
Obviously individual players are never going to tank. And this Jets staff doesn't know enough about what they're doing to purposely made a bad decision, but once again...another absolutely meaningless win with very meaningful consequences.
and the stupid intern running the official twitter account celebrating this "Stolen win" made me want to break my phone
Screw this crap franchise so much.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t root for the Jets to lose while watching, but at that point of the game, I was so hoping Zeurlein would miss that kick - completely meaningless victory.
The only good thing to come from that result is the Jets won without Zach Wilson so that may temporarily shut up his idiot supporters who think nothing is his fault.
The only good thing to come from that result is the Jets won without Zach Wilson so that may temporarily shut up his idiot supporters who think nothing is his fault.
zamboni
Footballguy
Same - I don’t root for them to lose despite the draft capital at stake. They’ll find a way to blow the draft pick wherever they land.
I was happy for Greg the Leg as he (and Moorstead) has been such a bright spot this year while the offense has disintegrated - they deserve to get their just due IMO.
jwb
Footballguy
Speaking of draft whiffs... We get Broderick Jones without doing that seemingly minor pick swap with GB. Doubt that holding fast there would have held up the Rodgers trade.
eta: I was happy for Greg too - he's been a real bright spot this year.
rockaction
Footballguy
We're ninth in the draft order. And were a bit below that when the day started. But no real big deal. We were stomping the hapless Commanders until Brissett came in.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
So agonizing - they win when they should lose and lose when they should win.
You can argue its all about scouting so it doesnt matter - Zach at #2 is Ex A - but to have such an awful season and not have a top 10 pick for it is rough. If they want to pump their chest and show that there is progress then beat Cleveland and the Pats to run the table. Otherwise it was a dumb blip on a horrific season.
You can argue its all about scouting so it doesnt matter - Zach at #2 is Ex A - but to have such an awful season and not have a top 10 pick for it is rough. If they want to pump their chest and show that there is progress then beat Cleveland and the Pats to run the table. Otherwise it was a dumb blip on a horrific season.
rockaction
Footballguy
We still do. We're ninth in the order.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Not sure what happened at the half, but they stopped targeting Wilson and Hackett turned back into Hackett.
I used to root for them to lose to get a better draft pick, but not now. I feel bad for players like Breece and Wilson. Let them have a win to feel good about themselves for a change. Same to our MVP Greg Z.
Plus aside from one year, Fat Joe hasn't been able to draft, so what's a few spots anyway. Maybe if we were getting a different GM, it would be a different story.
I used to root for them to lose to get a better draft pick, but not now. I feel bad for players like Breece and Wilson. Let them have a win to feel good about themselves for a change. Same to our MVP Greg Z.
Plus aside from one year, Fat Joe hasn't been able to draft, so what's a few spots anyway. Maybe if we were getting a different GM, it would be a different story.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Problem is - at least at the moment and from my understanding - there's 2 franchise Tackles, 3 big time QBs and Marvin Harrison Jr. at WR as far as an initial top 6. We could easily justify any of the 6, but assuming this team won't want to draft a QB given the position we're in, a trade down could have yielded a very nice return that would at least give us back the top 40ish pick we're down from the Rodgers trade. Would just be that many more 'assets' we could theoretically put in front of Rodgers for next season. But maybe there's a good Safety out there we can steal in the top 10 instead, been a while.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Trust me, I get it. I'm as practical of a person that can exist. I've been rooting for a better draft position most of my life. I've just lost faith in JD.
We needed to fix our o-line last year (past 5 or more) and here we are again. Relying on Becton or old linemen has been our achilles heel (no pun intended).
Out of all all JD's seasons, we only have an injured AVT and Tippman (Better guard than center? Tbd). Not great, Bob.
If we had a different GM coming in, I probably would have flown in with a portable fan to try to get that fg to go wide. You joke about that Safety, but it wouldn't shock me if they went D-line again because that's just who they are. Let's pray (again) that he addresses the tackles in Free Agency.
zamboni
Footballguy
All O-lineman that will be UFAs this offseason are linked below. Some interesting names, although many of course won’t make it to free agency.
www.spotrac.com
2024 NFL Free Agents Tracker
Tracking the status and signings of all 2024 NFL free agents.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Im assuming there will be one more meaningless win down the stretch
sheerterror
Footballguy
Coach/GM have already had a full NFL life cycle relative to their [lackof] success. NOBODY survives these types of records anymore with 0 built up cache - but leave it to the Jets to keep it all in tact because of this desperation win now window they think they've created. When it's all said and done, the JD tenure is going to cost us just about a decade after we factor in the 2ish season setback we'll likely have to experience once he leaves. Or maybe it'll all work out and we'll win the Super Bowl next season.
sheerterror
Footballguy
At least Breece is a top 2 RB in the NFL.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Since they are tied to Rodgers anyway, I’d prefer a OT over QB in the draft.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
How was it not apparent after the first series that Mosley had no business being on Njoko?
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, hard not to look at these 2 organizations and see the differences. One has competent ownership, management and coaching and the other simply doesn't. The Browns are without their franchise QB, their star RB (the Jets have theirs) and several O-linemen. They're playing a 38 year old QB off the streets and were without their star WR last night....and it didn't matter....because they have good coaching and their backups/depth pieces know what they're doing.
Not gonna crap on Ulbrich/Mosley too much for the Njoko bust-out. They've been really good for 2 years. It was a bad night. But everything else is just so depressing. I honestly dont have any hope for a deep run next year if they're just running it back with the whole staff. If Rodgers stays healthy and they somehow build a competent O-line (pus another weapon at WR somehow) I could see 9 or 10 wins and a wild card spot. But Saleh and Hackett just aint it. And Douglas is basically living off 1 draft (when he had 2 top 10 picks and got the best RB in the 2nd round)
The Flacco story is embarassing on the surface because they had him in the building and he wanted to come back post Rodgers. But anyone who watched him last year understands why they didnt. He was totally mailing it in with the Jets...stealing money. And they wouldn't have been able to protect him even if his fountain of youth act had transferred over.
Becton is beyond horrendous. Dude is on skates out there. Didn't even get a hand on Garrett on that one sack....on an inside move. I honestly dont know how that's possible.
Thankfully I only watched about 10 minutes of it.
Not gonna crap on Ulbrich/Mosley too much for the Njoko bust-out. They've been really good for 2 years. It was a bad night. But everything else is just so depressing. I honestly dont have any hope for a deep run next year if they're just running it back with the whole staff. If Rodgers stays healthy and they somehow build a competent O-line (pus another weapon at WR somehow) I could see 9 or 10 wins and a wild card spot. But Saleh and Hackett just aint it. And Douglas is basically living off 1 draft (when he had 2 top 10 picks and got the best RB in the 2nd round)
The Flacco story is embarassing on the surface because they had him in the building and he wanted to come back post Rodgers. But anyone who watched him last year understands why they didnt. He was totally mailing it in with the Jets...stealing money. And they wouldn't have been able to protect him even if his fountain of youth act had transferred over.
Becton is beyond horrendous. Dude is on skates out there. Didn't even get a hand on Garrett on that one sack....on an inside move. I honestly dont know how that's possible.
Thankfully I only watched about 10 minutes of it.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Forget Rodgers and Flacco - you can make an argument that the OL would have buried them both. However the coaching last night was a huge red flag. No Cooper, Elijah didnt make it long - all they had was Njoko and the brilliant defensive minded HC couldnt come up with one adjustment to slow him down? Then in the presser blamed it on technique?
Saleh has the same blank/confused look that graced just about every prior HC except for Parcells - absolutely horrific display. I dont know how woody can think just tweaking a few pieces will reverse this course. Im sure after a few months Ill soften a bit but this regime looks completely incompetent - bringing it all back for another run seems crazy but thats the plan.
So how do we handle next week - they beat the Pats and that always feels good as its been forever but they drop to the teens in the draft while possibly handing the Pats a top pick/QB. The Pats win and they continue the dominated streak and send Belichick out with a win after he made it his lifes mission to taunt the Jets. I honestly dont know which way to go! How depressing
Saleh has the same blank/confused look that graced just about every prior HC except for Parcells - absolutely horrific display. I dont know how woody can think just tweaking a few pieces will reverse this course. Im sure after a few months Ill soften a bit but this regime looks completely incompetent - bringing it all back for another run seems crazy but thats the plan.
So how do we handle next week - they beat the Pats and that always feels good as its been forever but they drop to the teens in the draft while possibly handing the Pats a top pick/QB. The Pats win and they continue the dominated streak and send Belichick out with a win after he made it his lifes mission to taunt the Jets. I honestly dont know which way to go! How depressing
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