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2023 NY Giants - (Schoen & Daboll episode 2 – Danny turns Dimes into Dollars) (3 Viewers)

So Giants fans, is Crowder going to make this team with all they have brought in? Trying to guess what the depth chart looks like...anyone know?
 
ffmail4me said:
So Giants fans, is Crowder going to make this team with all they have brought in? Trying to guess what the depth chart looks like...anyone know?
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think Hodgins, Slayton, Campbell will be the first three. Hyatt will get worked in. Wan'dale is PUP. Shepard/Crowder/Beasley and Colin Johnson, who i like and offers something none of the others do with his 6' 6" frame. If they only carry 6, not sure how the back end of the WR room will work out. not sure that's helpful to your question but that's what i'm seeing.
 
The Big Donkey said:
ffmail4me said:
So Giants fans, is Crowder going to make this team with all they have brought in? Trying to guess what the depth chart looks like...anyone know?
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think Hodgins, Slayton, Campbell will be the first three. Hyatt will get worked in. Wan'dale is PUP. Shepard/Crowder/Beasley and Colin Johnson, who i like and offers something none of the others do with his 6' 6" frame. If they only carry 6, not sure how the back end of the WR room will work out. not sure that's helpful to your question but that's what i'm seeing.
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I'd guess with Shepard off the PUP he's just about guaranteed to make it. He's probably the best WR on the team when healthy . He was leading the team in TAR, REC, YDs and TDs when he went down last year...He has a great rapport with jones. I have a feeling Beasley is just insurance and a veteran camp presense to act as a coach for the younger players
I feel like they are going to have to keep 7 on the roster day 1 or potentially trade (Johnson, Hodgins or even Slayton)
  1. Shepard
  2. Slayton
  3. Hodgins
  4. Campbell
  5. Hyatt (Roster Spot Guaranteed)
  6. Jeff Smith / Crowder / Beasly (special teams) I think only 1 of these 3 make it
  7. Johnson (on the bubble ... potential trade)
PUP - Wan'dale ... Hopefully they all stay healthy and the Giants have a real tough decision to make when he's back
Practice Squad ... Wheaton who will probably get snatched up
 
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

"Rookie Tre Hawkins has impressed so far in camp. How much? I’m told #NYGiants are toying with idea of seeing Hawkins and Tae Banks on the boundary with Adoree’ Jackson inside at the slot. Different look. Could see that some as soon as today in team drills."
 
The Big Donkey said:
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

"Rookie Tre Hawkins has impressed so far in camp. How much? I’m told #NYGiants are toying with idea of seeing Hawkins and Tae Banks on the boundary with Adoree’ Jackson inside at the slot. Different look. Could see that some as soon as today in team drills."
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I heard Banks has been getting beat often. I Do think it's a good idea if Adoree' is not going to be resigned but I think that would be crazy this year
 
Qammy said:
The Big Donkey said:
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

"Rookie Tre Hawkins has impressed so far in camp. How much? I’m told #NYGiants are toying with idea of seeing Hawkins and Tae Banks on the boundary with Adoree’ Jackson inside at the slot. Different look. Could see that some as soon as today in team drills."
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I heard Banks has been getting beat often. I Do think it's a good idea if Adoree' is not going to be resigned but I think that would be crazy this year
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Tre Hawkins gets first-team reps. The Giants may have snagged their best corner prospect in the sixth round of 2023. Tre Hawkins III, a lesser known DB from Old Dominion, took first-team reps Monday – and looked sharp while doing it. Wide receiver Parris Campbell beat the rookie in coverage during 11-on-11 drills, but Hawkins, in the absence of Adoree Jackson in team period, has mostly shined in the elevated role.
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https://www.nj.com/giants/2023/07/g...am-reps-how-daniel-jones-played-on-day-5.html
 
Yenrub said:
Qammy said:
The Big Donkey said:
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

"Rookie Tre Hawkins has impressed so far in camp. How much? I’m told #NYGiants are toying with idea of seeing Hawkins and Tae Banks on the boundary with Adoree’ Jackson inside at the slot. Different look. Could see that some as soon as today in team drills."
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I heard Banks has been getting beat often. I Do think it's a good idea if Adoree' is not going to be resigned but I think that would be crazy this year
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Tre Hawkins gets first-team reps. The Giants may have snagged their best corner prospect in the sixth round of 2023. Tre Hawkins III, a lesser known DB from Old Dominion, took first-team reps Monday – and looked sharp while doing it. Wide receiver Parris Campbell beat the rookie in coverage during 11-on-11 drills, but Hawkins, in the absence of Adoree Jackson in team period, has mostly shined in the elevated role.
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https://www.nj.com/giants/2023/07/g...am-reps-how-daniel-jones-played-on-day-5.html
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Finding a stud CB in the 6th rd would be an absolute game changer for the Giants
 
The Big Donkey said:
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21

Evan Neal has a concussion and is in the protocol, per the Giants.

*****
Jeff smith waived.
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Damn ... I still dont have a great feeling about Neal. Other than working hard in the off season havent heard anything real positive about his play in practice
 
The Big Donkey said:
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone

OL Marcus McKethan and DT A'Shawn Robinson passed their physicals and will come off PUP list.
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Nice ... 2 Guys I'd like to see back.

I read that Matt Peart has looked pretty good standing in for Neal and Tyree Phillips has looked good at all OLine spots (hasnt played Center) and could be the 6th Olineman. Bredson has also been playing all 3 interior oline spots and looking good ... If that's the case the Giants could finally be building a decent oline with Decent depth

These 8 would be a nice flexible combo ...

RT - Neal / Peart / Phillips
RG - Glowinski / Bredeson / Phillips
C - Schmidtz / Bredeson
LG - Ezeudu / Bredeson / Phillips
LT - Thomas / Peart / Phillips

Lemeuix could be out
Not sure what they could do to protect Mckethan while they develope him.
Bredeson may be better than Glowinski and/or Ezeudo but at this point he is the Backup Center and they may not want to risk him getting injured if they other guys are as capable
 
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Qammy said:
The Big Donkey said:
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone

OL Marcus McKethan and DT A'Shawn Robinson passed their physicals and will come off PUP list.
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Nice ... 2 Guys I'd like to see back.

I read that Matt Peart has looked pretty good standing in for Neal and Tyree Phillips has looked good at all OLine spots (hasnt played Center) and could be the 6th Olineman. Bredson has also been playing all 3 interior oline spots and looking good ... If that's the case the Giants could finally be building a decent oline with Decent depth

These 8 would be a nice flexible combo ...

RT - Neal / Peart / Phillips
RG - Glowinski / Bredeson / Phillips
C - Schmidtz / Bredeson
LG - Ezeudu / Bredeson / Phillips
LT - Thomas / Peart / Phillips

Lemeuix could be out
Not sure what they could do to protect Mckethan while they develope him.
Bredeson may be better than Glowinski and/or Ezeudo but at this point he is the Backup Center and they may not want to risk him getting injured if they other guys are as capable
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That's kind of how I see it as well. McKethan seems to be strictly RG based on college and the limited time he had in camp last year before the ACL. Huge guy 6' 7" 330+. Maybe try to slip to the practice squad if they don't keep 9. Be interesting to see how this plays out. Neal needs to step up his game.
 
Qammy said:
The Big Donkey said:
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone

OL Marcus McKethan and DT A'Shawn Robinson passed their physicals and will come off PUP list.
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Nice ... 2 Guys I'd like to see back.

I read that Matt Peart has looked pretty good standing in for Neal and Tyree Phillips has looked good at all OLine spots (hasnt played Center) and could be the 6th Olineman. Bredson has also been playing all 3 interior oline spots and looking good ... If that's the case the Giants could finally be building a decent oline with Decent depth

These 8 would be a nice flexible combo ...

RT - Neal / Peart / Phillips
RG - Glowinski / Bredeson / Phillips
C - Schmidtz / Bredeson
LG - Ezeudu / Bredeson / Phillips
LT - Thomas / Peart / Phillips

Lemeuix could be out
Not sure what they could do to protect Mckethan while they develope him.
Bredeson may be better than Glowinski and/or Ezeudo but at this point he is the Backup Center and they may not want to risk him getting injured if they other guys are as capable
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What about Tom Sawyer at RT?
 
Looking forward to the joint practices this week. Coach Daboll and MCDC are good friends. By Snap Weighted Adjusted age, the Lions were the youngest team in the NFL last year, and the Giants were 3rd youngest (scary but the Chiefs were 2nd lol.) Two teams that have turned their fortunes around and are on the upswing. Should be a fun week.
 
Qammy said:
The Big Donkey said:
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone

OL Marcus McKethan and DT A'Shawn Robinson passed their physicals and will come off PUP list.
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Nice ... 2 Guys I'd like to see back.

I read that Matt Peart has looked pretty good standing in for Neal and Tyree Phillips has looked good at all OLine spots (hasnt played Center) and could be the 6th Olineman. Bredson has also been playing all 3 interior oline spots and looking good ... If that's the case the Giants could finally be building a decent oline with Decent depth

These 8 would be a nice flexible combo ...

RT - Neal / Peart / Phillips
RG - Glowinski / Bredeson / Phillips
C - Schmidtz / Bredeson
LG - Ezeudu / Bredeson / Phillips
LT - Thomas / Peart / Phillips

Lemeuix could be out
Not sure what they could do to protect Mckethan while they develope him.
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Terpman22 said:
Qammy said:
The Big Donkey said:
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone

OL Marcus McKethan and DT A'Shawn Robinson passed their physicals and will come off PUP list.
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Nice ... 2 Guys I'd like to see back.

I read that Matt Peart has looked pretty good standing in for Neal and Tyree Phillips has looked good at all OLine spots (hasnt played Center) and could be the 6th Olineman. Bredson has also been playing all 3 interior oline spots and looking good ... If that's the case the Giants could finally be building a decent oline with Decent depth

These 8 would be a nice flexible combo ...

RT - Neal / Peart / Phillips
RG - Glowinski / Bredeson / Phillips
C - Schmidtz / Bredeson
LG - Ezeudu / Bredeson / Phillips
LT - Thomas / Peart / Phillips

Lemeuix could be out
Not sure what they could do to protect Mckethan while they develope him.
Bredeson may be better than Glowinski and/or Ezeudo but at this point he is the Backup Center and they may not want to risk him getting injured if they other guys are as capable
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What about Tom Sawyer at RT?
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Took me a while ... I never would have gotten it if you didnt highlight it
 
The Athletic: Giants practice report: Daniel Jones struggles with accuracy in joint Lions workout

ALLEN PARK, Mich. — Giants quarterback Daniel Jones stayed on the field after Tuesday’s joint practice with the Lions and threw dozens of deep passes down the right sideline to backup wide receiver Jaydon Mickens. Jones wanted the extra work after an uncharacteristically inaccurate day making that pass in the first joint session with the Lions.

“I just missed a couple of them that normally I feel pretty good about,” Jones said. “I’ve just got to be sharp with those and make sure we’re taking advantage of the opportunities that we have.”

Jones and the Giants offense had been firing on all cylinders during the 10 training camp practices in East Rutherford, N.J. But the Lions’ defense wasn’t nearly as hospitable in the Giants’ first sparring match with an opposing team.

“I think the competitive nature of these practices speeds up the game a little bit in certain situations,” Jones said. “I think just seeing a new look, seeing a new team. You get used to practicing against your guys, your defense and what they do. To see another group is helpful. It’s valuable time.”

Here’s everything you need to know about the 11th practice of training camp:
Attendance

Every Giants player was present at practice.
Injury report

Wide receiver Parris Campbell appeared to suffer an injury to his lower left leg after a collision on an incomplete pass in a 7-on-7 period. Campbell hobbled off the field, but returned for the next period and participated in the rest of practice.

Tight end Lawrence Cager appeared to be shaken up after taking a hit to the upper body on a slant route in the first 11-on-11 period, but he finished practice.

Right tackle Evan Neal (concussion), defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches (groin) and defensive lineman Ryder Anderson (triceps) didn’t practice. Offensive lineman Marcus McKethan and defensive tackle A’Shawn Robinson worked on the side after getting activated from the physically unable to perform (PUP) list on Monday. Wide receiver Wan’Dale Robinson, defensive tackle DJ Davidson and cornerback Aaron Robinson worked on the side as they remain on the PUP list.
Observations

• The practice was structured similarly to a typical Giants camp practice, with the obvious difference of having two teams on the fields. Each team warmed up for about 20 minutes on separate fields before coming together for 1-on-1 drills.

The highlight of 1-on-1 drills is always the offensive linemen vs. the defensive linemen, but unfortunately, those took place too far from the media vantage point to observe. In the receiver vs. defensive back 1-on-1 drills, Jones’ accuracy was erratic, which was a sign of things to come.

Giants backup wide receiver Kalil Pimpleton made the best play of the 1-on-1 period with a diving catch of a fade from backup quarterback Tyrod Taylor.

• The Giants used 12 personnel (1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR) heavily in 11-on-11 periods. As usual, tight end Darren Waller was Jones’ favorite target. Waller led the first-team offense with two catches, but Jones failed to hit him on a pair of deep shots down the right sideline. Lions linebacker Alex Anzalone broke up the first attempt, while Jones sailed the second attempt too far toward the sideline after Waller had blown past defensive end Charles Harris.

Giants right tackle Matt Peart, who stepped in for Neal with the starters, predictably struggled against Lions defensive end Aidan Hutchinson. The timing of Neal’s concussion is particularly unfortunate, as the reps this week would have been invaluable for the second-year pro.

Hutchinson would have had two sacks in live action, including one play when Jones rolled to his right and threw an ill-advised deep ball to Campbell. It looked like Lions safety CJ Gardner-Johnson was either going to decapitate Campbell or intercept the pass. Gardner-Johnson did neither, but he did break up the overthrown pass.

• The Giants popped a few nice runs, with left guard Josh Ezeudu delivering a strong lead block to spring running back Saquon Barkley for a nice gain. Barkley also would have had a big gain on a well-executed screen pass.

Ezeudu split time with Ben Bredeson as the starting left guard. Giants coach Brian Daboll, who spent the entire practice with the offense, mixed and matched the guard spots throughout practice. Mark Glowinski started practice at right guard, but Bredeson got reps with the first team at right guard late in practice. Bredeson also got work as the second-team center, with rookie John Michael Schmitz taking every first-team center rep.

Shane Lemieux, who worked as the second-team center for most of practice, was replaced by Jack Anderson after consecutive high snaps in the final red-zone period.

• Giants rookie wide receiver Jalin Hyatt caught two passes from Jones in team drills: A curl in 7-on-7 and a deep in-route in 11-on-11. It’s encouraging to see the speedy Hyatt make plays on intermediate routes, although he did have a ball knocked out of his hands in a 1-on-1 drill when he was too casual securing the catch.

• The Giants’ first-team offense ran five plays in the red zone at the end of practice. There was a low incompletion on a curl to Campbell (there may have been a defensive penalty on the play), a Jones keeper on a zone read, a short completion to Campbell, an Eric Gray sweep that got stuffed in the backfield and a Jones zone-read keeper that got stopped short of the goal line.

• On the other field, the most intriguing aspect of watching the Giants defense was the rotations coordinator Wink Martindale employed, especially with the cornerbacks. Martindale is always cooking with different lineups and has put Adoree’ Jackson in the slot at times during camp. Though that wasn’t the case for every play Tuesday, Jackson nonetheless was in the slot at times with Tre Hawkins lining up outside and Deonte Banks on the other side.

During team portions and red-zone drills, Jackson often lined up outside opposite Banks, while Darnay Holmes played in the slot. It will be interesting to see if Cor’Dale Flott, who has been rotating with Holmes, is the top slot cornerback Wednesday.

• One of the other interesting position battles has been the inside linebacker spot alongside Bobby Okereke. Micah McFadden took those first-team reps Tuesday and looked comfortable in the role. Just as with cornerback, it will be telling if linebacker Darrian Beavers switches to the first team on Wednesday.

• The Giants’ first-team defense gave up a touchdown to the Lions in the red-zone period at the end of practice. Lions wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown had a pair of short catches, Jackson sniffed out a bootleg by quarterback Jared Goff and Hawkins had a good fit to stop a run. Detroit running back Jahmyr Gibbs got open in the right flat off of a play fake for an easy touchdown to cap the sequence.

• Martindale deployed one of his patented defensive back-heavy packages in the red zone. Dexter Lawrence was the lone defensive tackle, with linebackers Azeez Ojulari, Kayvon Thibodeaux and Bobby Okereke at the second level. Holmes and safeties Dane Belton and Bobby McCain came on the field as the additional defensive backs.

• Gray maintained in his spot as the Giants’ primary punt returner during a special teams period.

• Fights are a staple of joint practices, but players from both teams heeded the pre-practice pleas from their coaches for discipline. The closest brush to a fight came when Mickens and Gardner-Johnson had to be separated after jawing during a 1-on-1 drill.

• The Lions did more chirping throughout the practice, with their starting defensive players talking trash when the backups squared off in the final red-zone period. It will be interesting to see if the Giants respond with more swagger Wednesday.
Play of the day

Taylor and wide receiver Collin Johnson connected on a perfect fade route for a touchdown in an 11-on-11 red-zone period at the end of practice. Taylor perfectly lofted a pass toward the back right corner of the end zone and Johnson extended his right arm at the last moment, hauling in the catch despite Lions cornerback Starling Thomas grabbing his left arm.

Quote of the day

“I’ve felt great this training camp. I was telling some of the coaches I don’t think I’ve gone through a full training camp just being out there with the guys without one, like, a turf toe, or diving for a catch and spraining my AC joint. Just being here for a full training camp throughout the whole process has been fun and it feels good to feel fresh.” — Giants TE Darren Waller
Next up

The Giants will conduct their 12th training camp practice — and second joint practice with the Lions — at 10:30 a.m. ET on Wednesday.

(Top photo of Daniel Jones: Rich Graessle / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
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The Frankman said:
The Athletic: Giants practice report: Daniel Jones struggles with accuracy in joint Lions workout

ALLEN PARK, Mich. — Giants quarterback Daniel Jones stayed on the field after Tuesday’s joint practice with the Lions and threw dozens of deep passes down the right sideline to backup wide receiver Jaydon Mickens. Jones wanted the extra work after an uncharacteristically inaccurate day making that pass in the first joint session with the Lions.

“I just missed a couple of them that normally I feel pretty good about,” Jones said. “I’ve just got to be sharp with those and make sure we’re taking advantage of the opportunities that we have.”

Jones and the Giants offense had been firing on all cylinders during the 10 training camp practices in East Rutherford, N.J. But the Lions’ defense wasn’t nearly as hospitable in the Giants’ first sparring match with an opposing team.

“I think the competitive nature of these practices speeds up the game a little bit in certain situations,” Jones said. “I think just seeing a new look, seeing a new team. You get used to practicing against your guys, your defense and what they do. To see another group is helpful. It’s valuable time.”

Here’s everything you need to know about the 11th practice of training camp:
Attendance

Every Giants player was present at practice.
Injury report

Wide receiver Parris Campbell appeared to suffer an injury to his lower left leg after a collision on an incomplete pass in a 7-on-7 period. Campbell hobbled off the field, but returned for the next period and participated in the rest of practice.

Tight end Lawrence Cager appeared to be shaken up after taking a hit to the upper body on a slant route in the first 11-on-11 period, but he finished practice.

Right tackle Evan Neal (concussion), defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches (groin) and defensive lineman Ryder Anderson (triceps) didn’t practice. Offensive lineman Marcus McKethan and defensive tackle A’Shawn Robinson worked on the side after getting activated from the physically unable to perform (PUP) list on Monday. Wide receiver Wan’Dale Robinson, defensive tackle DJ Davidson and cornerback Aaron Robinson worked on the side as they remain on the PUP list.
Observations

• The practice was structured similarly to a typical Giants camp practice, with the obvious difference of having two teams on the fields. Each team warmed up for about 20 minutes on separate fields before coming together for 1-on-1 drills.

The highlight of 1-on-1 drills is always the offensive linemen vs. the defensive linemen, but unfortunately, those took place too far from the media vantage point to observe. In the receiver vs. defensive back 1-on-1 drills, Jones’ accuracy was erratic, which was a sign of things to come.

Giants backup wide receiver Kalil Pimpleton made the best play of the 1-on-1 period with a diving catch of a fade from backup quarterback Tyrod Taylor.

• The Giants used 12 personnel (1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR) heavily in 11-on-11 periods. As usual, tight end Darren Waller was Jones’ favorite target. Waller led the first-team offense with two catches, but Jones failed to hit him on a pair of deep shots down the right sideline. Lions linebacker Alex Anzalone broke up the first attempt, while Jones sailed the second attempt too far toward the sideline after Waller had blown past defensive end Charles Harris.

Giants right tackle Matt Peart, who stepped in for Neal with the starters, predictably struggled against Lions defensive end Aidan Hutchinson. The timing of Neal’s concussion is particularly unfortunate, as the reps this week would have been invaluable for the second-year pro.

Hutchinson would have had two sacks in live action, including one play when Jones rolled to his right and threw an ill-advised deep ball to Campbell. It looked like Lions safety CJ Gardner-Johnson was either going to decapitate Campbell or intercept the pass. Gardner-Johnson did neither, but he did break up the overthrown pass.

• The Giants popped a few nice runs, with left guard Josh Ezeudu delivering a strong lead block to spring running back Saquon Barkley for a nice gain. Barkley also would have had a big gain on a well-executed screen pass.

Ezeudu split time with Ben Bredeson as the starting left guard. Giants coach Brian Daboll, who spent the entire practice with the offense, mixed and matched the guard spots throughout practice. Mark Glowinski started practice at right guard, but Bredeson got reps with the first team at right guard late in practice. Bredeson also got work as the second-team center, with rookie John Michael Schmitz taking every first-team center rep.

Shane Lemieux, who worked as the second-team center for most of practice, was replaced by Jack Anderson after consecutive high snaps in the final red-zone period.

• Giants rookie wide receiver Jalin Hyatt caught two passes from Jones in team drills: A curl in 7-on-7 and a deep in-route in 11-on-11. It’s encouraging to see the speedy Hyatt make plays on intermediate routes, although he did have a ball knocked out of his hands in a 1-on-1 drill when he was too casual securing the catch.

• The Giants’ first-team offense ran five plays in the red zone at the end of practice. There was a low incompletion on a curl to Campbell (there may have been a defensive penalty on the play), a Jones keeper on a zone read, a short completion to Campbell, an Eric Gray sweep that got stuffed in the backfield and a Jones zone-read keeper that got stopped short of the goal line.

• On the other field, the most intriguing aspect of watching the Giants defense was the rotations coordinator Wink Martindale employed, especially with the cornerbacks. Martindale is always cooking with different lineups and has put Adoree’ Jackson in the slot at times during camp. Though that wasn’t the case for every play Tuesday, Jackson nonetheless was in the slot at times with Tre Hawkins lining up outside and Deonte Banks on the other side.

During team portions and red-zone drills, Jackson often lined up outside opposite Banks, while Darnay Holmes played in the slot. It will be interesting to see if Cor’Dale Flott, who has been rotating with Holmes, is the top slot cornerback Wednesday.

• One of the other interesting position battles has been the inside linebacker spot alongside Bobby Okereke. Micah McFadden took those first-team reps Tuesday and looked comfortable in the role. Just as with cornerback, it will be telling if linebacker Darrian Beavers switches to the first team on Wednesday.

• The Giants’ first-team defense gave up a touchdown to the Lions in the red-zone period at the end of practice. Lions wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown had a pair of short catches, Jackson sniffed out a bootleg by quarterback Jared Goff and Hawkins had a good fit to stop a run. Detroit running back Jahmyr Gibbs got open in the right flat off of a play fake for an easy touchdown to cap the sequence.

• Martindale deployed one of his patented defensive back-heavy packages in the red zone. Dexter Lawrence was the lone defensive tackle, with linebackers Azeez Ojulari, Kayvon Thibodeaux and Bobby Okereke at the second level. Holmes and safeties Dane Belton and Bobby McCain came on the field as the additional defensive backs.

• Gray maintained in his spot as the Giants’ primary punt returner during a special teams period.

• Fights are a staple of joint practices, but players from both teams heeded the pre-practice pleas from their coaches for discipline. The closest brush to a fight came when Mickens and Gardner-Johnson had to be separated after jawing during a 1-on-1 drill.

• The Lions did more chirping throughout the practice, with their starting defensive players talking trash when the backups squared off in the final red-zone period. It will be interesting to see if the Giants respond with more swagger Wednesday.
Play of the day

Taylor and wide receiver Collin Johnson connected on a perfect fade route for a touchdown in an 11-on-11 red-zone period at the end of practice. Taylor perfectly lofted a pass toward the back right corner of the end zone and Johnson extended his right arm at the last moment, hauling in the catch despite Lions cornerback Starling Thomas grabbing his left arm.

Quote of the day

“I’ve felt great this training camp. I was telling some of the coaches I don’t think I’ve gone through a full training camp just being out there with the guys without one, like, a turf toe, or diving for a catch and spraining my AC joint. Just being here for a full training camp throughout the whole process has been fun and it feels good to feel fresh.” — Giants TE Darren Waller
Next up

The Giants will conduct their 12th training camp practice — and second joint practice with the Lions — at 10:30 a.m. ET on Wednesday.

(Top photo of Daniel Jones: Rich Graessle / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
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Hmmmm ... Haven't heard from this guy all camp.
Probably just pointing out that Jones was uncharacteristically inaccurate
 
BobbyLayne said:
Heard the Giants bounced back today and Jones had a good day - something like 12/17 with 5 TDs in 11-on-11s.
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Just heard the same, 3 of those were Red Zone TDs ... Sounds like he was on all day also in the 7-on-7s
Dont tell Frankman though ... He's rooting hard against Danny Dollar$
 
Today's practice report

Observations​

• Daniel Jones drilled a throw into a tight window to Darren Waller in a seven-on-seven period early in practice, which was encouraging after the quarterback was inaccurate during Tuesday’s practice. Jones had a few poor throws Wednesday, most notably a late deep ball to wide receiver Darius Slayton that was under-thrown and a curl to Hyatt that should have been intercepted, but Lions linebacker Derrick Barnes inexplicably dropped the sure pick-six.
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Jones answered with his two best throws of the day after the near interception. First, he found Slayton on a post between Detroit’s safeties for a touchdown. Slayton shrugged as he passed trash-talking Lions safety CJ Gardner-Johnson after the touchdown. Jones and Slayton then connected for a two-point conversion. Jones climbed through traffic in the pocket before he spotted Slayton streaking across the back line of the end zone. Jones flicked a perfectly placed pass that Slayton caught along the sideline.

Jones also hit wide receiver Parris Campbell for a short touchdown late in the practice. The Giants ran the type of rub route that frequently resulted in offensive pass interference penalties last season to spring open Campbell. The Giants have been running those plays often during training camp, with the result typically being an easy touchdown.

The ball was placed on the 10-yard line for the final period of practice. On the Giants’ first-team offense’s first play, Jones hit a wide-open Waller on an out route for an easy touchdown.
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• Running back Saquon Barkley didn’t get any reps in 11-on-11 periods Wednesday after being held out of the final full-team period of Tuesday’s practice. That was all part of the team’s maintenance program for the workhorse back. Barkley looked sharp in seven-on-seven drills early in Wednesday’s practice, easily beating defensive end Charles Harris on an out route for a catch.

• Backup quarterback Tyrod Taylor threw a pretty deep ball to Jamison Crowder for a touchdown over cornerback Will Harris after being flushed from the pocket. Taylor made his way down to the end zone to talk trash to Harris after the touchdown.
On Taylor’s red-zone “drive” to end practice, he found tight end Daniel Bellinger wide open in the right flat after a play-action bootleg for a touchdown.

• When the Lions’ starting offense had the ball for their final period, a David Montgomery run got the ball to the 1-yard line. A pre-snap penalty backed the Lions up five yards before wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown beat rookie cornerback Tre Hawkins for a touchdown on an out route.

Giants outside linebacker Tomon Fox blew up the Lions’ second-team offense in the final period. Fox sniffed out a screen and had a sack during a three-play sequence. The Giants’ defense got a stop when running back Jahmyr Gibbs came down out of bounds on a fourth-down catch.

• Giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale stuck with Micah McFadden as the starting inside linebacker next to Bobby Okereke. Darrian Beavers worked with the second-team defense for the second straight day.

The Giants have been mixing top cornerback Adoree’ Jackson into the slot with Hawkins playing outside opposite Deonte Banks throughout camp. That wasn’t the case Wednesday, as Darnay Holmes was the first-team slot corner. Cor’Dale Flott worked as the second-team slot corner again.
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The Frankman said:
The Athletic: Giants practice report: Daniel Jones struggles with accuracy in joint Lions workout

ALLEN PARK, Mich. — Giants quarterback Daniel Jones stayed on the field after Tuesday’s joint practice with the Lions and threw dozens of deep passes down the right sideline to backup wide receiver Jaydon Mickens. Jones wanted the extra work after an uncharacteristically inaccurate day making that pass in the first joint session with the Lions.

“I just missed a couple of them that normally I feel pretty good about,” Jones said. “I’ve just got to be sharp with those and make sure we’re taking advantage of the opportunities that we have.”

Jones and the Giants offense had been firing on all cylinders during the 10 training camp practices in East Rutherford, N.J. But the Lions’ defense wasn’t nearly as hospitable in the Giants’ first sparring match with an opposing team.

“I think the competitive nature of these practices speeds up the game a little bit in certain situations,” Jones said. “I think just seeing a new look, seeing a new team. You get used to practicing against your guys, your defense and what they do. To see another group is helpful. It’s valuable time.”

Here’s everything you need to know about the 11th practice of training camp:
Attendance

Every Giants player was present at practice.
Injury report

Wide receiver Parris Campbell appeared to suffer an injury to his lower left leg after a collision on an incomplete pass in a 7-on-7 period. Campbell hobbled off the field, but returned for the next period and participated in the rest of practice.

Tight end Lawrence Cager appeared to be shaken up after taking a hit to the upper body on a slant route in the first 11-on-11 period, but he finished practice.

Right tackle Evan Neal (concussion), defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches (groin) and defensive lineman Ryder Anderson (triceps) didn’t practice. Offensive lineman Marcus McKethan and defensive tackle A’Shawn Robinson worked on the side after getting activated from the physically unable to perform (PUP) list on Monday. Wide receiver Wan’Dale Robinson, defensive tackle DJ Davidson and cornerback Aaron Robinson worked on the side as they remain on the PUP list.
Observations

• The practice was structured similarly to a typical Giants camp practice, with the obvious difference of having two teams on the fields. Each team warmed up for about 20 minutes on separate fields before coming together for 1-on-1 drills.

The highlight of 1-on-1 drills is always the offensive linemen vs. the defensive linemen, but unfortunately, those took place too far from the media vantage point to observe. In the receiver vs. defensive back 1-on-1 drills, Jones’ accuracy was erratic, which was a sign of things to come.

Giants backup wide receiver Kalil Pimpleton made the best play of the 1-on-1 period with a diving catch of a fade from backup quarterback Tyrod Taylor.

• The Giants used 12 personnel (1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR) heavily in 11-on-11 periods. As usual, tight end Darren Waller was Jones’ favorite target. Waller led the first-team offense with two catches, but Jones failed to hit him on a pair of deep shots down the right sideline. Lions linebacker Alex Anzalone broke up the first attempt, while Jones sailed the second attempt too far toward the sideline after Waller had blown past defensive end Charles Harris.

Giants right tackle Matt Peart, who stepped in for Neal with the starters, predictably struggled against Lions defensive end Aidan Hutchinson. The timing of Neal’s concussion is particularly unfortunate, as the reps this week would have been invaluable for the second-year pro.

Hutchinson would have had two sacks in live action, including one play when Jones rolled to his right and threw an ill-advised deep ball to Campbell. It looked like Lions safety CJ Gardner-Johnson was either going to decapitate Campbell or intercept the pass. Gardner-Johnson did neither, but he did break up the overthrown pass.

• The Giants popped a few nice runs, with left guard Josh Ezeudu delivering a strong lead block to spring running back Saquon Barkley for a nice gain. Barkley also would have had a big gain on a well-executed screen pass.

Ezeudu split time with Ben Bredeson as the starting left guard. Giants coach Brian Daboll, who spent the entire practice with the offense, mixed and matched the guard spots throughout practice. Mark Glowinski started practice at right guard, but Bredeson got reps with the first team at right guard late in practice. Bredeson also got work as the second-team center, with rookie John Michael Schmitz taking every first-team center rep.

Shane Lemieux, who worked as the second-team center for most of practice, was replaced by Jack Anderson after consecutive high snaps in the final red-zone period.

• Giants rookie wide receiver Jalin Hyatt caught two passes from Jones in team drills: A curl in 7-on-7 and a deep in-route in 11-on-11. It’s encouraging to see the speedy Hyatt make plays on intermediate routes, although he did have a ball knocked out of his hands in a 1-on-1 drill when he was too casual securing the catch.

• The Giants’ first-team offense ran five plays in the red zone at the end of practice. There was a low incompletion on a curl to Campbell (there may have been a defensive penalty on the play), a Jones keeper on a zone read, a short completion to Campbell, an Eric Gray sweep that got stuffed in the backfield and a Jones zone-read keeper that got stopped short of the goal line.

• On the other field, the most intriguing aspect of watching the Giants defense was the rotations coordinator Wink Martindale employed, especially with the cornerbacks. Martindale is always cooking with different lineups and has put Adoree’ Jackson in the slot at times during camp. Though that wasn’t the case for every play Tuesday, Jackson nonetheless was in the slot at times with Tre Hawkins lining up outside and Deonte Banks on the other side.

During team portions and red-zone drills, Jackson often lined up outside opposite Banks, while Darnay Holmes played in the slot. It will be interesting to see if Cor’Dale Flott, who has been rotating with Holmes, is the top slot cornerback Wednesday.

• One of the other interesting position battles has been the inside linebacker spot alongside Bobby Okereke. Micah McFadden took those first-team reps Tuesday and looked comfortable in the role. Just as with cornerback, it will be telling if linebacker Darrian Beavers switches to the first team on Wednesday.

• The Giants’ first-team defense gave up a touchdown to the Lions in the red-zone period at the end of practice. Lions wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown had a pair of short catches, Jackson sniffed out a bootleg by quarterback Jared Goff and Hawkins had a good fit to stop a run. Detroit running back Jahmyr Gibbs got open in the right flat off of a play fake for an easy touchdown to cap the sequence.

• Martindale deployed one of his patented defensive back-heavy packages in the red zone. Dexter Lawrence was the lone defensive tackle, with linebackers Azeez Ojulari, Kayvon Thibodeaux and Bobby Okereke at the second level. Holmes and safeties Dane Belton and Bobby McCain came on the field as the additional defensive backs.

• Gray maintained in his spot as the Giants’ primary punt returner during a special teams period.

• Fights are a staple of joint practices, but players from both teams heeded the pre-practice pleas from their coaches for discipline. The closest brush to a fight came when Mickens and Gardner-Johnson had to be separated after jawing during a 1-on-1 drill.

• The Lions did more chirping throughout the practice, with their starting defensive players talking trash when the backups squared off in the final red-zone period. It will be interesting to see if the Giants respond with more swagger Wednesday.
Play of the day

Taylor and wide receiver Collin Johnson connected on a perfect fade route for a touchdown in an 11-on-11 red-zone period at the end of practice. Taylor perfectly lofted a pass toward the back right corner of the end zone and Johnson extended his right arm at the last moment, hauling in the catch despite Lions cornerback Starling Thomas grabbing his left arm.

Quote of the day

“I’ve felt great this training camp. I was telling some of the coaches I don’t think I’ve gone through a full training camp just being out there with the guys without one, like, a turf toe, or diving for a catch and spraining my AC joint. Just being here for a full training camp throughout the whole process has been fun and it feels good to feel fresh.” — Giants TE Darren Waller
Next up

The Giants will conduct their 12th training camp practice — and second joint practice with the Lions — at 10:30 a.m. ET on Wednesday.

(Top photo of Daniel Jones: Rich Graessle / Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
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Fell asleep and forgot to post the practice Duggan piece.

The Athletic - Giants practice report: Offense bounces back with better performance against Lions

ALLEN PARK, Mich. — The New York Giants’ offensive players were frustrated as they walked off the field following their joint practice with the Detroit Lions on Tuesday. The feeling after a ragged performance was that the struggles were mostly self-inflicted.

So on Wednesday, the Giants vowed to turn things around.

“Darren (Waller) gave this little speech before, like, ‘No matter who we play, it’s always about us. It’s not about the other team,’” wide receiver Isaiah Hodgins said. “We came out with that mentality and had a good practice.”

The Giants’ offense was clearly more efficient Wednesday after a disappointing showing in the first joint practice Tuesday. That left the Giants with a good feeling heading into Friday’s preseason opener against the Lions.

“It’s important because it shows how the season is going to be,” Hodgins said. “There’s going to be times where we don’t play our best games, especially on offense. How are you going to respond? Are you going to let that one game bleed into three games or are you going to bounce back and get a win the next week?”

Here’s everything you need to know about the 12th practice of training camp:

Attendance​

Every Giants player was present at practice.

Injury report​

Wide receiver Jalin Hyatt got his right wrist taped and played catch with a trainer on the sideline early in practice. He returned and finished practice, but the rookie sensation had a quiet two days in Detroit after producing big plays daily in New Jersey.

Cornerback Rodarius Williams also left briefly to get his right wrist taped after getting tangled up while defending a deep incompletion to Lions wide receiver Jameson Williams.

Running back Gary Brightwell (knee) and offensive lineman Devery Hamilton (ankle) didn’t practice after getting injured Tuesday. Though coach Brian Daboll said those injuries aren’t long-term, “it might not be a day-to-day thing, it might be maybe a week.”

Wide receiver Sterling Shepard was given a planned rest day as he continues his recovery from a torn ACL.

Right tackle Evan Neal (concussion), defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches (groin) and defensive lineman Ryder Anderson (triceps) didn’t practice again. Offensive lineman Marcus McKethan and defensive tackle A’Shawn Robinson again worked on the side after getting activated from the physically unable to perform (PUP) list Monday. Wide receiver Wan’Dale Robinson, defensive tackle DJ Davidson and cornerback Aaron Robinson worked on the side as they remain on the PUP list.

Observations​

• Daniel Jones drilled a throw into a tight window to Darren Waller in a seven-on-seven period early in practice, which was encouraging after the quarterback was inaccurate during Tuesday’s practice. Jones had a few poor throws Wednesday, most notably a late deep ball to wide receiver Darius Slayton that was under-thrown and a curl to Hyatt that should have been intercepted, but Lions linebacker Derrick Barnes inexplicably dropped the sure pick-six.

Jones answered with his two best throws of the day after the near interception. First, he found Slayton on a post between Detroit’s safeties for a touchdown. Slayton shrugged as he passed trash-talking Lions safety CJ Gardner-Johnson after the touchdown. Jones and Slayton then connected for a two-point conversion. Jones climbed through traffic in the pocket before he spotted Slayton streaking across the back line of the end zone. Jones flicked a perfectly placed pass that Slayton caught along the sideline.

Jones also hit wide receiver Parris Campbell for a short touchdown late in the practice. The Giants ran the type of rub route that frequently resulted in offensive pass interference penalties last season to spring open Campbell. The Giants have been running those plays often during training camp, with the result typically being an easy touchdown. -> The play

The ball was placed on the 10-yard line for the final period of practice. On the Giants’ first-team offense’s first play, Jones hit a wide-open Waller on an out route for an easy touchdown.

• Running back Saquon Barkley didn’t get any reps in 11-on-11 periods Wednesday after being held out of the final full-team period of Tuesday’s practice. That was all part of the team’s maintenance program for the workhorse back. Barkley looked sharp in seven-on-seven drills early in Wednesday’s practice, easily beating defensive end Charles Harris on an out route for a catch.

• Backup quarterback Tyrod Taylor threw a pretty deep ball to Jamison Crowder for a touchdown over cornerback Will Harris after being flushed from the pocket. Taylor made his way down to the end zone to talk trash to Harris after the touchdown.

On Taylor’s red-zone “drive” to end practice, he found tight end Daniel Bellinger wide open in the right flat after a play-action bootleg for a touchdown.

• When the Lions’ starting offense had the ball for their final period, a David Montgomery run got the ball to the 1-yard line. A pre-snap penalty backed the Lions up five yards before wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown beat rookie cornerback Tre Hawkins for a touchdown on an out route.

Giants outside linebacker Tomon Fox blew up the Lions’ second-team offense in the final period. Fox sniffed out a screen and had a sack during a three-play sequence. The Giants’ defense got a stop when running back Jahmyr Gibbs came down out of bounds on a fourth-down catch.

• Giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale stuck with Micah McFadden as the starting inside linebacker next to Bobby Okereke. Darrian Beavers worked with the second-team defense for the second straight day.

The Giants have been mixing top cornerback Adoree’ Jackson into the slot with Hawkins playing outside opposite Deonte Banks throughout camp. That wasn’t the case Wednesday, as Darnay Holmes was the first-team slot corner. Cor’Dale Flott worked as the second-team slot corner again.

• With the Giants’ defensive line depth thinned by injuries, rookie Jordon Riley got some first-team reps. The 6-foot-5, 325-pound lineman was used in the base defense alongside Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams.
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• Safety Dane Belton had a good day. He stripped a ball from Montgomery and might have had another forced fumble as well — it was hard to tell if Belton or outside linebacker Kayvon Thibodeaux deserved credit. Belton, who broke his collarbone last training camp and then had two offseason surgeries, said his shoulder feels great now.

• Though the Giants’ defense didn’t play poorly Tuesday, the energy felt higher Wednesday, with players really amped up on big plays. The Giants’ swagger was evident in one-on-one drills early in practice, with the defensive linemen and linebackers looking good against the Lions’ offensive line.

The Giants’ starting defense didn’t give up a first down during the first 11-on-11 period. Leonard Williams keyed the effort with a sack.

• Outside linebacker Oshane Ximines and Lions tackle Germain Ifedi got into a bit of a scuffle during a red zone drill. They were chirping back and forth for a while, but pulled away before it went further. The following team drills felt juiced up, with some loud contact, especially involving Giants safety Alex Cook.

• The tempo of the Giants’ offense stood out during the two practices. Often, the action on the field with the Giants’ offense and Lions’ defense finished a few plays before the Lions’ offense and Giants’ defense wrapped up because of the difference in pace.

Play of the day​

The Giants forced a handful of turnovers. None was more impressive than Belton cleanly ripping the ball out of Montgomery’s hands. Belton immediately took off for what likely would have been a touchdown return in a game. -> The play

Quote of the day​

“It was frustrating. As a competitor, you feel like you give them a false confidence because they feel like they did good. And it’s like, it’s not really anything they did, it’s on us. I feel like we went out there today and proved that.” — Hodgins

Next up​

The Giants are off Thursday. They’ll face the Lions in the preseason opener Friday at 7 p.m. ET.

(Photo of Darius Slayton: Danielle Parhizkaran / USA Today)
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The era of good feelings joint practices. Don't think I've ever heard of a joint practice that didn't get chippy at some point. Campbell and Daboll made it a point of emphasis and for once the players listened.

this was pretty funny: would you rather
 
Injury update (kind of)
Neal trending in right direction – might be able to play Friday.
Beasley has a leg injury
Other injured players who did not practice Wednesday: RB Gary Brightwell, OL Tyre Phillips, DL Ryder Anderson, LB Cam Brown.
 
Yenrub said:
Giants couldn’t ask for a better opening drive for the offense than they got against the Panthers.

10 plays 75 yards almost 5 minutes for a TD.
DJ slinging it 8 of 9 for 69 yards with the TD
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When the starters were playing, the Giants looked strong, both O and D. My observations form a statistically valid sample of 1 drive each. :ponder: Once the backups came in I found more important things to do. I did come back to catch the Hyatt TD highlight. He looked pretty quick on cut. Again, one highlight. I came away thinking that they looked like a different team. Had some pop in the offense for a change.
 
Preseason is what it is. First teamers looked solid but I think the biggest takeaway is every single draft pick had a solid game and put something good on tape. Not sure the last time I could say that about a giants draft.
 
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Trade: Isaiah Simmons is being traded from the Cardinals to the NY Giants for a seventh-round pick in 2024, per source.
 
Boston said:
Terpman22 said:
The Big Donkey said:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Trade: Isaiah Simmons is being traded from the Cardinals to the NY Giants for a seventh-round pick in 2024, per source.
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Wow.
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No kidding...the #8 pick in the 2020 draft and all they could get is a 7th rounder...you don't get bad by accident.
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Knowing the Eagles were looking around at the position, they HAD to know the value the Cardinals had on Simmons and just didn't pull the trigger. I would have jumped very high if the Eagles got this guy for a 7. Good move by the Giants here, gotta hate it as a rival haha.
 
Terpman22 said:
Boston said:
Terpman22 said:
The Big Donkey said:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Trade: Isaiah Simmons is being traded from the Cardinals to the NY Giants for a seventh-round pick in 2024, per source.
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Wow.
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No kidding...the #8 pick in the 2020 draft and all they could get is a 7th rounder...you don't get bad by accident.
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Knowing the Eagles were looking around at the position, they HAD to know the value the Cardinals had on Simmons and just didn't pull the trigger. I would have jumped very high if the Eagles got this guy for a 7. Good move by the Giants here, gotta hate it as a rival haha.
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It says a lot that they weren't willing to beat that offer.
 
Boston said:
Terpman22 said:
Boston said:
Terpman22 said:
The Big Donkey said:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Trade: Isaiah Simmons is being traded from the Cardinals to the NY Giants for a seventh-round pick in 2024, per source.
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Wow.
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No kidding...the #8 pick in the 2020 draft and all they could get is a 7th rounder...you don't get bad by accident.
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Knowing the Eagles were looking around at the position, they HAD to know the value the Cardinals had on Simmons and just didn't pull the trigger. I would have jumped very high if the Eagles got this guy for a 7. Good move by the Giants here, gotta hate it as a rival haha.
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It says a lot that they weren't willing to beat that offer.
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Yeah to a degree I believe that. There is some middle ground truth here. I mean, the Eagles currently have a player in Reddick that somehow that Cardinals didn't know how to use correctly. Could be more of the same here w Simmons.
 
Terpman22 said:
Boston said:
Terpman22 said:
Boston said:
Terpman22 said:
The Big Donkey said:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Trade: Isaiah Simmons is being traded from the Cardinals to the NY Giants for a seventh-round pick in 2024, per source.
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Wow.
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No kidding...the #8 pick in the 2020 draft and all they could get is a 7th rounder...you don't get bad by accident.
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Knowing the Eagles were looking around at the position, they HAD to know the value the Cardinals had on Simmons and just didn't pull the trigger. I would have jumped very high if the Eagles got this guy for a 7. Good move by the Giants here, gotta hate it as a rival haha.
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It says a lot that they weren't willing to beat that offer.
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Yeah to a degree I believe that. There is some middle ground truth here. I mean, the Eagles currently have a player in Reddick that somehow that Cardinals didn't know how to use correctly. Could be more of the same here w Simmons.
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I can see that but if you're a team that feels you can fix a former top 10 pick that is only 25 beating a #7 is not much.
 
The Big Donkey said:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Trade: Isaiah Simmons is being traded from the Cardinals to the NY Giants for a seventh-round pick in 2024, per source.
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He was drafted in the top 10 just a few years ago.
I don’t watch a ton of Cardinals games and I know he hasn’t made a Pro Bowl or anything but has he been terrible for them?
Hoping another man’s trash is our treasure
 
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