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2024-25 NBA Thread: “the sun will still come up tomorrow”, Bucks fan says in city that hasn’t seen the sun since September (16 Viewers)
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Long Ball Larry
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the clippers game is on Wednesday, so at least there won't be a back-to-back issue.
Jayrod
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He was my favorite Celtic the moment he put on the uniform. He's a difference maker and a really great person as well.
Jayrod
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How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
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Bromigo
he was my youngest daughters favorite buck and we are all mad about the trade now dont get me wrong dame is a great offensive player but it just doesnt work with a team that had an identity built on defense and ball control and movement creating threes what a mistake take that to the bank brochachos
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Dr. Octopus
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Maybe we could give him more than 6 games to get adjusted to a new squad?
How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
Jayrod
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No.Maybe we could give him more than 6 games to get adjusted to a new squad?
How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
People gave me a lot of crap about my takes on Caruso. I'm going to be dunking on them all season.
the moops
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He is a big part of the best defense in the league and on a team that is 6-0 playing 20 minutes a game. Good luck with the dunkingNo.Maybe we could give him more than 6 games to get adjusted to a new squad?
How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
People gave me a lot of crap about my takes on Caruso. I'm going to be dunking on them all season.
Jayrod
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He's a roll player avg less than 20 min/game and less than 4 ppg.He is a big part of the best defense in the league and on a team that is 6-0 playing 20 minutes a game. Good luck with the dunkingNo.Maybe we could give him more than 6 games to get adjusted to a new squad?
How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
People gave me a lot of crap about my takes on Caruso. I'm going to be dunking on them all season.
Chet Holmgren and the rest of the starters are the reason they are a great defense.
Are people giving Luke Kornet credit for Boston's success?
General Malaise
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That's pretty good. Except Dallas actually won 3 titles in the 90s. Philadelphia has....1(?) and that was back when cars took leaded gasoline.
General Malaise
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I still can't believe there are people who have to vote by going to a polling station the day of. Ridiculous.
Bob Loblaw
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About a decade ago, Kerr and the Warriors played a role in changing how the NBA is played (i.e. more ball movement, more 3s, positionless players). Now that mostly every NBA team has caught onto that formula, Kerr and the Warriors are changing it up again with 12-13 players playing consistent minutes. Most top-end minutes players are less than 27 mpg, with only Pods playing over 30 mpg due to Curry's ankle. Hopefully Steph's ankle gets better, and this new look Warriors team can continue their good ways. Granted, they haven't had the toughest schedule yet, but unlike the last couple of seasons, they are beating teams that they are supposed to beat.
General Malaise
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Buddy Hield was a great get for them. IMO. Turns out maybe the guy just needed the right coach/team/teammates.
the moops
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Alex Caruso is probably the best defensive guard in the NBA. Luke Kornet, while probably the funniest guy in the league, is at best league average at a couple things.
Anarchy99
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I don't think the success or failure of either team hinges on Caruso or Kornet. Both guys are like the 7th most important players on their teams right now. It's way to early to conclude much of anything, but in the early going . . .
Kornet: 18.7 PER, .250 WS/48, +50 net rating (161 offense, 111 defense), +0,2 VORP, 39% of available minutes played
Caruso: 6.8 PER, .081 WS/48, -13 net rating (79 offense, 92 defense), 0 VORP, 40% of available minutes played
Major
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Maybe we could give him more than 6 games to get adjusted to a new squad?
How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
Agreed. I try to give teams at least 10 games before I start making judgements especially if a player is new. It's a long season.
the moops
Footballguy
Also. It's Payton, not Peyton. Some fan you are
How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
Bob Loblaw
Footballguy
You sure it's not Paintin'?Also. It's Payton, not Peyton. Some fan you are
How's this going now?
Too many were enamored with this trade for a guy who is nothing more than a journeyman role player. Sure he is a nice bench piece, but acting like Caruso was the missing piece for a championship or some kind of coup on Chicago was silly.
General Malaise
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Oh good god.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Some people like to read real books, talk to people on the phone instead of text and vote in person.
Don't be a hipster dufus.
Jayrod
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Kornet is #8 and will fall to #9 once KP is back.
That's about how valuable the ALL-WORLD DEFENDER Alex Caruso is worth. Dude's a net liability which is why no team has fought to keep him and fewer have made him a starter.
Defensive specialist guards just aren't that valuable to winning. Just ask Kris Dunn.
Anarchy99
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For now, Kornet has played the 7th most minutes in Boston, but he ranks 5th on the team in PER, 2nd in WS/48, and is tied for 4th in VORP with Horford. You're not wrong that long-term he's probably 9th, but for now he's been punching above his weight class in the productivity department. For example, JB and JH both have VORP scores of 0 so far. Jrue mostly turns it on when they need him to. Brown's numbers likely suffered from the one game where he couldn't buy a basket. I didn't love that he started playing some hero ball and insisted on trying to get to the basket or shoot turnaround fadeaways when other guys were wide open. That's a general problem, especially when he's not making any shots. If they can focus on moving the ball late, they should be fine. I still cringe when JB and JT get the ball and want to work the clock and forget they have teammates.
Mister CIA
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Eli Whitney is in the house!
General Malaise
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Lol....I vote by mail. ZOMG, WHAT A TECHNICAL ADVANCEMENT!!!!! WHAT AN ACHIEVEMENT OF HISTORICAL HIGHTS!!!!
Nobody would prefer to vote in a polling station over the ease of voting through the mail.
Another gem from the king of idiotic takes.
You know what’s even less valuable than ALL-WORLD DEFNDERS? Ball dominant point guards that can’t shoot, have a career assist-to-turnover ratio near 2:1, and can’t guard a cone (never mind the diddling of a HS girl to boot). The trade was a coup for OKC and nothing thus far this season has changed that narrative. He’s a PERFECT FIT for that team. Nobody claimed he was going to step in, start, and make All-NBA.
General Malaise
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Diddling of HS girls, eh. Thread has taken a turn....
Jayrod
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What the heck?
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Jayrod
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Caruso - PER - 6.8, WS/48 .081, BPM -2.9, VORP 0.0
Giddey - PER 16.1, WS/48 .098, BPM +0.8, VORP 0.1
And just for Lakers fans
Reaves - PER 16.5, WS/48 .104, BPM +1.1, VORP 0.2
All have played in 6 games. Giddey is with a new team as well and Caruso has the better supporting cast.
Maybe the owners, GMs and coaches that keep letting him move teams and don't start him or play him over 20 mpg know something?
Desert_Power
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Pretty sure “diddling” is a light description of what Giddey got into.
scoobus
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I mean this is just bad trolling, right? I hope?
Jayrod
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No, those are all real quotes from the first 2 pages of this thread. People actually think Caruso is the great white hope.
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scoobus
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You're getting weird here GB. Breaking out advanced stats and doing victory laps after 6 games?
And pretty consistently making stuff about Caruso too, not sure if there's some extra reason you don't like the guy. First talking about his shooting and defense which you already capitulated on earlier in the thread, and now his playing time. I mean he literally started 57 games and played 29 mpg last year. Any Lakers fan will tell you it was a mistake for them to let him go.
The whole point was that people were saying it was a good trade for the Thunder, that Caruso fit their current identity better than Giddey (who was almost unplayable for them in the playoffs). And right now they're 6-0 with the second best point differential in the league. You've also said multiple times that he's not some guy who's to get them a championship, which literally no one has said, but if that's the benchmark you wanna make to take another victory lap then go for it.
And pretty consistently making stuff about Caruso too, not sure if there's some extra reason you don't like the guy. First talking about his shooting and defense which you already capitulated on earlier in the thread, and now his playing time. I mean he literally started 57 games and played 29 mpg last year. Any Lakers fan will tell you it was a mistake for them to let him go.
The whole point was that people were saying it was a good trade for the Thunder, that Caruso fit their current identity better than Giddey (who was almost unplayable for them in the playoffs). And right now they're 6-0 with the second best point differential in the league. You've also said multiple times that he's not some guy who's to get them a championship, which literally no one has said, but if that's the benchmark you wanna make to take another victory lap then go for it.
Jayrod
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We've talked about Caruso exactly twice.
He joined the 1 seed and a team that already had championship aspirations. You can read the responses to the trade. People indicated it was a VERY big deal.
Yes, no one explicitly said "this makes them a championship contender". But you can see the logical steps I've taken there. Already great team + major addition = ???
I'm saying what I've always said, he's overrated and the trade will not improve their team much.
People actually said the trade should have included a first rounder. Someone said he would be similar to Jrue Holiday or Derrick White. Another poster mentioned him as the presumptive starter.
I've taken on like a dozen different people on this debate. Sorry if I'm enjoying the fact that so far I look like I know what I'm talking about. I'll give it up, but don't act like I didn't take a lot of crap over this take already.
Instinctive
Footballguy
We have a home game. On a Monday. That tips off at 8:45pm. Talk about some ********.
Long Ball Larry
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You can vote in person on other days (at least in many states). I did it myself!
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Bromigo
bucks about to blow another one they were up 7 with 5 minutes left after dame steps over and back up 1 then gives up a three then jacks up a bad three then gets blocked ugly on a dunk the rest of the team might as well not have even been there just standing and watching it is not good basketball man the bucks look bad take that to the bank brohans
Desert_Power
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the moops
Footballguy
6 games
Kev4029
Footballguy
I don't think the Nuggets have really done that. They are a product of their own success to some level. They've missed some moves on the margins (Nnaji extension, tons of player options for bad players) but they've also done a good job on some of their moves on the margins (Bruce Brown and KCP moves, Braun and Watson draft picks). The only big move that they've ****ed up is MPJ's contract which is killing them.
The Nuggets look iffy right now but they still have a lot of outs with their young guys which they've done a much better job than average drafting and a little better than average developing.
Desert_Power
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Grayson Allen is a dirty SOB
Kev4029
Footballguy
Some early Nuggets thoughts:
- Christian Braun is 100% an upgrade over what KCP was last season. He doesn't have as much gravity but he is so good. His finishing at the rim is elite, along with his D, and effort.
- Julian Strawther is going to be a starting guard in the NBA and maybe a good one if he can consistently figure out thing defensively. I think he is the Westbrook solution offensively in the playoffs - in situations where they need O rather than D, he'll get run at PG.
- Outside of the starters, Stawther, and Watson, I don't know who should be in a playoff rotation, but with Westbrook, Tyson (who I think might be a real NBA player), Nnaji, Saric (if he comes back around), and Cancar (he hasn't played much yet), I think they can find an 8.5 man rotation that ultimately works.
- Getting to the playoffs rested is going to be the bigger problem. They are running Jokic into the ground right now. They need to be trying Cancar and Nnaji at center to see if either of them can slow the bleeding in the non-Jokic minutes.
Moe.
Footballguy
What? I said it was a perfect trade for Giddey, a guy they weren’t going to pay, weren’t going to start, and couldn’t play in the playoffs. My mind has not changed - I was wrong about Caruso starting but the increased depth is a huge reason why the Thunder will be better this year and an actual title threat. I think just about everyone said Giddey will put up tons of numbers in Chicago, so none of this is a surprise so far. The trade made sense for both teams.
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