Frostillicus
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3 starting lineupswith a sixth man each. I like it.
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2024-25 NBA Thread: incredible playoffs so far! (84 Viewers)
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Mister CIA
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Long Ball Larry
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Yo Mama
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I was thinking 10 total but I’m down for whatever.
Long Ball Larry
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At first blush, I don’t know if I get it for the Knicks. Maybe they will try kat at 5 more and feel like he will fit as a stretch 5 better than Randle was going to. It’s probably a good way for Minnesota to get their books in order and get a little more depth
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Supposedly this trade does not work legally so there seemingly is a third team involved
mr. furley
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
Charlotte is the third team, and the 1st going to the Wolves is via Detroit so that's nice but also WTF
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I love DiVincenzo and he will give the Wolves some much needed perimeter juice off the bench, and obviously picking up a nice 1st when their draft assets are totally depleted is good, but WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
It always seemed inevitable that either kat or Rudy would have to go sooner rather than later
Frostillicus
Footballguy
This was always a possibility but I thought for sure they'd go one more year after last year's success.
They are betting, again, on Ant. Which is a pretty good bet.
jvdesigns2002
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Interesting trade for both sides. KAT was instrumental in the Phoenix and Denver series. With the Knicks getting Mikal—that would put Donte back on the bench for them—but since Thibs tends to run his starters into the ground—having talent on the bench probably wasn’t a bad thing. Minnesota will have some nice depth coming off of the bench now with Donte, NAW and Reid—but I think the wild card in what will determine if it’s a good trade for the T-Wolves is how well they can integrate Randle into things. If they can utilize him in a way where he’s super efficient (and not a ball stopper) and is motivated defensively—it could end up working out. I’m just not sure if either team really needed to make a big move like this.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
What does the Knicks rotation look like after this off-season, so far?
Frostillicus
Footballguy
That pick is protected 1-13 in 2025, then 1-11, then 1-9, then becomes a 2nd. Barf.
Redwes25
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
I think the way this could end up a big win for the Wolves is if Randle comes off the bench. Naz is a better fit in the starting lineup because of his 3-point shooting and Randle would thrive as the focal point in the 2nd unit, which would be huge since a big issue with the Wolves is shot creation outside of Ant. I have no idea if he would be ok with that.
Finding someone to take KAT’s contract without sending super toxic salary back is a massive win
Frostillicus
Footballguy
omg what if this is the first step to getting KD to the Wolves? You know Ant and KD are boys now.
Capella
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Happy for @Frostillicus , who doesn’t have to pretend like KAT is good anymore. You’re free my friend.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
What is your address i want to come fight you.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
In regard to salary cup for the foreseeable future—the next couple of years—the move definitely helps Minnesota out. For the Knicks—I think that KAT does fill a void that losing Hartenstein created. His size just gives the Knicks something that they needed. On the Minnesota side of things—there is no doubt that historically over his career that KAT is a more consistent long range shooter that Julius. However—Julius did have a season in 2020-21 where he shot 41% from the 3point line, and I believe that he’s had a couple of other seasons where he was in the high 30’s from the 3 point line. I also think that Julius is probably the better facilitator and he can create a shot on his own—which is something that the Wolves kinda need. Before the trade—the primary options that they had in regard to guys that can create a legit shot on their own was ANT, Conley. They now can add Randle and Donte to that list—which should help them. I also think that Donte is a hard nosed player that is a nuisance to opponents. He’s the type of guy you love having on your team but hate playing against. I have no problem with the wolves if they start Reid—but my concern about that is that I feel like he has a tendency to get into foul trouble. If they can convince Randle to come off of the bench and mitigate Reid getting into foul trouble on a consistent basis—I could see it work. I also like the fact that they could run a lineup where they use Reid and Randle as center and power forward, and put them on the court with Conley, Ant, and Donte. You could literally post Randle up and if they double—everybody around him is a shooter. I do think that the potential is there for the T-Wolves—but that a lot of it is dependent on how Randle is looking and playing as it’s been a while since we’ve seen him on the court.
identikit
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3 hour lunch
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I’m a casual enough NBA fan to not know how great the trade is, but just feels gross as a Wolves fan. Towns went through a lot here and always fought hard. Kind of feels like selling a piece of your soul. I really wanted to win it all with him here. I don’t know, just kind of a bummer.
Juxtatarot
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Maybe still start him but stagger the rotation so he plays a lot of minutes with the bench guys.
Frostillicus
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This is your fault.I’ve wanted Towns to be gone for a few years. But not for JULIUS FREAKING RANDLE.
the moops
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Towns is the most annoying player to watch in the history of the NBA. Does brilliant things regularly, is a great shooter, but man, he just the worst to watch. Does way too many ridiculously dumb things, can't rebound, mopes all over the place, and is a clear first team all-whiner. Good riddance
Juxtatarot
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Medium term, it will be interesting to see what the Wolves do. No doubt they will want to replace the high priced vets, Gobert and Randle, with a more dynamic star(s) to pair with Ant. Maybe Ant can even recruit for cold weather Minnesota. However, their abysmal pick situation really makes that difficult.
Major
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Initially I liked this trade for Minny with the addition of some DET lottery balls but that's pretty much a trash pick.
Major
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They were never going to win with Towns. He was in a comfort zone there and not showing any signs of improvement. Same frustrating player year after year. Hopefully NYC will toughen him up a bit because he's softer than wet cake. I see this possibly working out for both teams.
Kev4029
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Hot take, maybe, but I think DiVincenzo is the best player + salary in the trade. I also think this probably was a slight win for both teams (Knicks less so than the Wolves).
For the Wolves, I think they made a slight downgrade at PF but DiVincenzo and Randle leading the second unit is a nice fix for a team that was probably going to play Ingles at backup PG. I think they are a better team against 28 teams in the NBA today than they were yesterday. The Jokic matchup now got more difficult though.
For the Knicks, it's a bummer to break up the Nova-Knicks, but KAT is so much better offensively as a center that I think this raises their floor together. They also lost their only legitimate bench player and they'll need to find some way to add some depth. If they do, and the defense around KAT can hold up, they are going to be so devastating offensively that things could click at the right time and make them a legit title contender which I don't think they were with an injured Mitchell Robinson.
For the Wolves, I think they made a slight downgrade at PF but DiVincenzo and Randle leading the second unit is a nice fix for a team that was probably going to play Ingles at backup PG. I think they are a better team against 28 teams in the NBA today than they were yesterday. The Jokic matchup now got more difficult though.
For the Knicks, it's a bummer to break up the Nova-Knicks, but KAT is so much better offensively as a center that I think this raises their floor together. They also lost their only legitimate bench player and they'll need to find some way to add some depth. If they do, and the defense around KAT can hold up, they are going to be so devastating offensively that things could click at the right time and make them a legit title contender which I don't think they were with an injured Mitchell Robinson.
Anarchy99
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With off season player movement and using the Top 100 player rankings from The Athletic.
Teams with at least 5 players in the Top 100:
MIN - 7, BOS - 6, NOP - 6, HOU - 5, NYK - 5, OKC - 5
Teams with at least 3 players in the Top 50:
BOS - 5, MEM - 3, MIN - 3, NYK - 3, OKC - 3, PHI - 3, SAC - 3
Teams with 2 players in the Top 25:
BOS, DAL, DEN, LAL, MIA, PHI, PHO
Teams with no players in the Top 50:
BRK, CHA, CHI, DET, POR, WAS
Teams with only 1 player in the Top 100:
BRK, DET, WAS
Teams with at least 5 players in the Top 100:
MIN - 7, BOS - 6, NOP - 6, HOU - 5, NYK - 5, OKC - 5
Teams with at least 3 players in the Top 50:
BOS - 5, MEM - 3, MIN - 3, NYK - 3, OKC - 3, PHI - 3, SAC - 3
Teams with 2 players in the Top 25:
BOS, DAL, DEN, LAL, MIA, PHI, PHO
Teams with no players in the Top 50:
BRK, CHA, CHI, DET, POR, WAS
Teams with only 1 player in the Top 100:
BRK, DET, WAS
millertyme1
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Nice return for Wolves for Towns and that contract.
Knicks really needed size and no way can depend on Robinson.
Knicks really needed size and no way can depend on Robinson.
Capella
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Fly little birdie, fly!
Redwes25
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As a Knicks fan losing Donte is a hit and biggest loss in the trade. Great defender and shooter who was so good last year. Think Minny is going to love him.
The Knicks needed more size after losing Hartenstein and with Mitchell unable to stay healthy so I understand the trade on that front. I wish they could have just kept Hartenstein but salary cap rules just made that not possible. Think that would have been better overall result.
Though on bright side Brunson and Towns pick and roll game should quickly become the best combo in the league. Also Hart’s shooting issues can get hidden a bit better when you have probably the best shooting center in the league.
Lastly, not sure Knicks had a long term idea with Randle so moving on from him makes sense in grand scheme.
I give the trade like a B for Knicks but could end up better than that. These Knicks play hard with Brunson leading them and maybe that can rub off on Towns.
The Knicks needed more size after losing Hartenstein and with Mitchell unable to stay healthy so I understand the trade on that front. I wish they could have just kept Hartenstein but salary cap rules just made that not possible. Think that would have been better overall result.
Though on bright side Brunson and Towns pick and roll game should quickly become the best combo in the league. Also Hart’s shooting issues can get hidden a bit better when you have probably the best shooting center in the league.
Lastly, not sure Knicks had a long term idea with Randle so moving on from him makes sense in grand scheme.
I give the trade like a B for Knicks but could end up better than that. These Knicks play hard with Brunson leading them and maybe that can rub off on Towns.
Long Ball Larry
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I would call that a lukewarm take. The variance on KAT and Randle is pretty high. You know what you will get with Donte and it is valuable and worth more than his contract.
I can see how this raises the Knicks ceiling. They almost have a Celtics’ light lineup with a stretch 5, two really good and versatile wings, and two guards who are decent two-way players. If they could unlock something like what the Celtics did on offense, it could really sing. Of course, that’s not really thibs’ strong suit. And of course towns provides nowhere near the defensive value of Kristaps and Brunson is not as good of a defender as the Celtics’ guards. And hart, bridges and og are not nearly as strong on offense as the Celtics wing players. I still fear that this team will be a little bit less than the sum of its parts, but maybe bridges can re-locate his offensive bag and the Brunson-towns pick and roll and pick and pop is impossible to stop.
I think the wolves may have lowered their ceiling a bit, but I think the likelihood of reaching that ceiling is extremely low. I wouldn’t have had that much confidence in them getting back to the WC finals, let alone getting past that, although I don’t think that this move increases those chances at all. But it still seems like a good move not to get complacent with a run like last year (see Portland, Atlanta and Indy) assuming you will just progress. Being able to deal KAT as a clear positive value is remarkable and makes the team so much more flexible for future moves. So I think this move probably raises the median outcome for the wolves over the next few years and they still have Ant’s growth as a way to continue to lift the team and possibly push them to a serious contender
Long Ball Larry
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Who did you reasonably expect to get for towns?This is your fault.I’ve wanted Towns to be gone for a few years. But not for JULIUS FREAKING RANDLE.
I get that Randle is a flawed player. But he is certainly a top 50 player at a reasonable contract that is expiring. If Randle can play his best, I don’t think this really hurts the wolves’ trajectory much. He may bog down the spacing a bit, but finch has always been good at scheming offense with big guys going back several stops. If he is willing to shoot a lot of threes, he is good enough to be respected by defenses. I do see some downside risk though, as he seems like he can be a little unpredictable in his overall approach to the game and his buy-in. I agree that he is not a great guy for a contender to bank on, I just think that is one of the best possible outcomes of all realistic KAT trades
Leeroy Jenkins
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KAT doesn’t seem built for NY
Long Ball Larry
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Amid all this hullabaloo, I wanted to be serious for a moment and give everyone my sincerest congratulations for being able to receive the news of this trade without a woj tweet
the moops
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I guess I kinda see the Celtic comparison, but not sure how close it is. Boston does indeed have two, two way guards. NY has Brunson (an absolutely wonderful offensive player but severely limited defensively) and Hart (a really good defender, atrocious on offense). The wing comparison is closer, but still, Tatum and Brown are both much better offensive players than OG and Mikal, while being nearly as good defensively.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I don't have an issue with the return.Who did you reasonably expect to get for towns?This is your fault.I’ve wanted Towns to be gone for a few years. But not for JULIUS FREAKING RANDLE.
I get that Randle is a flawed player. But he is certainly a top 50 player at a reasonable contract that is expiring. If Randle can play his best, I don’t think this really hurts the wolves’ trajectory much. He may bog down the spacing a bit, but finch has always been good at scheming offense with big guys going back several stops. If he is willing to shoot a lot of threes, he is good enough to be respected by defenses. I do see some downside risk though, as he seems like he can be a little unpredictable in his overall approach to the game and his buy-in. I agree that he is not a great guy for a contender to bank on, I just think that is one of the best possible outcomes of all realistic KAT trades
Chemical X
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i have mixed emotions on this trade as a lifelong knick fan. the nba now is about shooting and spacing and contracts. i get it. from a talent standpoint, i think the twolves got a bit more. DD was simply more than the nyk could’ve asked for. he ate up almost 38 mins a game after the as break. his d was surprisingly decent enough. randle is odd. his ny playoffs have been very meh, injuries have crept in too. he gets his numbers, but man, the ball absolutely stops when it gets to him and it seems that every possession he needs 20 seconds to create his forced shot while everyone stands around. his 3 ball seems pretty meh. he is not an off the ball type. also, is his contract status a pro or minus? i really can’t tell if you want to sign him for 4/180 or whatever or lose him for nothing. in that regard, at least kat is locked for 3 years i think. robinson has a bit of value when upright, maybe now they can limit him to 10 mins a game. i think this trade signals that the nyk like tyler kolek enough to back up brunson and allow mcbride to backup at sg instead of the point, imo. i much prefer limiting hart’s minutes to a sixth man roll, but as option 5, i think he handles the dirty work. now achiuwa, who was quite good for the nyk can be a 4, maybe a very limited 5. having achiuwa eat large minutes at the 5 would’ve been problematic. morris is also a serviceable backup. i am always worried about chemistry and change, but you can’t argue that the nyk aren’t a top 3 team in the east. they only recently were just trying to not to be in the play in. this group will be together for 3-4 years and maybe the window of opportunity is there for something. at least they are part of the league and trying.
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Kev4029
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I was recently (like last week) looking into getting a Cameo to throw on a handful of bottles of booze on a QR code for some friends. Dikembe was my #1 choice - a great combination of fascinating person and recognizable celebrity (and voice) here in Denver.
RIP to a great dude, a great ambassador of basketball, and a Nuggets legend.
Major
Footballguy
This saddens me. Had no idea he was going through that. Always loved the dude. The finger wag will forever be one of the most iconic basketball celebrations in history. Even in his later years he was a joy to watch in Houston and lets not forget all the work he did for his people in Congo. RIP big man
As a 21 year old spring breaking in Florida, my buddies and I caught a Hawks/Magic game on our way down there. After the game, we hung around down by the tunnel for a bit. As Dikembe was walking towards the locker room and even though I didn’t even have a pen or anything I wanted him to sign, I said “hey Dikembe, can I get your autograph?”
His response?
Finger wag.
That’s it. No verbalization of any sort, just the wag. My friends and I absolutely died with how perfect it was. As a basketball rube, easily the highlight of my trip and a favorite memory of mine to this day. RIP.
His response?
Finger wag.
That’s it. No verbalization of any sort, just the wag. My friends and I absolutely died with how perfect it was. As a basketball rube, easily the highlight of my trip and a favorite memory of mine to this day. RIP.
Major
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