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2024-25 NBA Thread: Thunder starting to question having 140 pound guy playing in post in Finals (24 Viewers)

Kings should have blown it up the 2nd they moved Fox. That they didn't get Castle in that deal is awful. Got Lavine's terrible contract the Bulls were finally able to offload and a 1st 95 years from now.

They've got nothing of real value. I think Murray or Monk gets best return and still won't be great. It's already been established there's minimal interest in the league with Derozan as a starter. Lavine and Sabonis with blah deals. Just a terrible constructed team.
Felt like they could have done better. Obviously keeping Monk around has been huge as he has developed into a really solid player, but they otherwise felt like they just tried to build more and more around Sabonis. And he still wasn't happy.

It is tough to be in a small market, I really enjoyed their series against GSW a couple years ago.
 
For my GB @SWC

[Shams] Amazing: Milwaukee's Damian Lillard has been cleared of his deep vein thrombosis and is no longer on blood-thinning medication, sources tell ESPN. Lillard is out for Game 1 Saturday against Indiana and will have a period of time to resume contact workouts and ramp up for return.​


Glad he is okay, but I would be very surprised if he played much in this series or had a big role. Just too much time off.
 
For my GB @SWC

[Shams] Amazing: Milwaukee's Damian Lillard has been cleared of his deep vein thrombosis and is no longer on blood-thinning medication, sources tell ESPN. Lillard is out for Game 1 Saturday against Indiana and will have a period of time to resume contact workouts and ramp up for return.​

lets effen go i really want them to prove this works we need them both to excel and stay in milwaukee just the town needs it take that to the bank brohans
 
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Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
 
For my GB @SWC

[Shams] Amazing: Milwaukee's Damian Lillard has been cleared of his deep vein thrombosis and is no longer on blood-thinning medication, sources tell ESPN. Lillard is out for Game 1 Saturday against Indiana and will have a period of time to resume contact workouts and ramp up for return.​

lets effen go i really want them to prove this works we need them both to excel and stay in milwaukee just the town needs it take that to the bank brohans
Going full Mokeski this playoff season. Go Bucks!! See y'all tomorrow.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
 
i think what the billionaire owners of teams forget is that they are the guy with thier name on the deed but they aint the owners the owners are the fans that fill up the bars and stadiums and buy the gear and bleed the colors good guys like cuban steinbrenner kraft love their teams or hate them cared about winning and so the people loved them the minute you try to win and put winners on the field the people love you take that to the bank brohans
 
i think what the billionaire owners of teams forget is that they are the guy with thier name on the deed but they aint the owners the owners are the fans that fill up the bars and stadiums and buy the gear and bleed the colors good guys like cuban steinbrenner kraft love their teams or hate them cared about winning and so the people loved them the minute you try to win and put winners on the field the people love you take that to the bank brohans
I think Ishbia genuinely tried to win. He's just failed at it so far.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.

I would say there are three big things that the best owners all have in any sport - a willingness to spend (Ishbia is top tier here), the skill/ability to hire great people to be the stewards for the franchise (James Jones is one of the worst execs in all of basketball, the coaching carousel has been amazingly laughable), and the wisdom to step in when needed without meddling (he is a 0/10 here).
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.

I would say there are three big things that the best owners all have in any sport - a willingness to spend (Ishbia is top tier here), the skill/ability to hire great people to be the stewards for the franchise (James Jones is one of the worst execs in all of basketball, the coaching carousel has been amazingly laughable), and the wisdom to step in when needed without meddling (he is a 0/10 here).
Yeah that's all fair. :shrug:
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.

I would say there are three big things that the best owners all have in any sport - a willingness to spend (Ishbia is top tier here), the skill/ability to hire great people to be the stewards for the franchise (James Jones is one of the worst execs in all of basketball, the coaching carousel has been amazingly laughable), and the wisdom to step in when needed without meddling (he is a 0/10 here).
1 out of 3 ain't bad - Jerry Jones, probably.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.
Yep. But it's still nonetheless surprising to me that these otherwise good businessmen (like Ishbia) don't realize that they don't know the sports business.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.

I don't think that is true, necessarily. One opinion and one fact:

Opinion: I think many billionaires are arrogant people of rather typical business acumen that believe their success is 100% of their doing and their wealth is proof of their business intelligence. Success in building a multi-billion dollar business empire is a big mix of luck (luck in taking the right risks, luck in being in the right place at the right time), connections, business savvy, and at times greed. The success in managing an already existing business empire is probably much more the 1st, 2nd, and third points. I truly don't think billionaires are that much more intelligent than many people you interact with in an average day.

Fact: The difference between a typical multi-billion dollar business and a sports franchise is that it is a zero-sum game in terms of record success. If the goal in other businesses was to build the best widget (in sports - the best team) rather than make the most money, our view of many businesses would be different. In terms of typical business success, there are very few, if any, of the big 4 sports franchises that hasn't been a business success. Even if a team is losing money year to year (which I have a hard time believing that is true of many franchises), they own a rapidly appreciating asset. Nobody has been more poor after having owned a team. As fans, we view franchise success as records and championships, regardless of the billions of dollars these owners are making. In other business, we judges success by stock price, regardless of product/service quality.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.

I don't think that is true, necessarily. One opinion and one fact:

Opinion: I think many billionaires are arrogant people of rather typical business acumen that believe their success is 100% of their doing and their wealth is proof of their business intelligence. Success in building a multi-billion dollar business empire is a big mix of luck (luck in taking the right risks, luck in being in the right place at the right time), connections, business savvy, and at times greed. The success in managing an already existing business empire is probably much more the 1st, 2nd, and third points. I truly don't think billionaires are that much more intelligent than many people you interact with in an average day.

Fact: The difference between a typical multi-billion dollar business and a sports franchise is that it is a zero-sum game in terms of record success. If the goal in other businesses was to build the best widget (in sports - the best team) rather than make the most money, our view of many businesses would be different. In terms of typical business success, there are very few, if any, of the big 4 sports franchises that hasn't been a business success. Even if a team is losing money year to year (which I have a hard time believing that is true of many franchises), they own a rapidly appreciating asset. Nobody has been more poor after having owned a team. As fans, we view franchise success as records and championships, regardless of the billions of dollars these owners are making. In other business, we judges success by stock price, regardless of product/service quality.
The fact is a great point.

We will just agree to disagree on the opinion. I know billionaires I think are dumb and I know billionaires I think are brilliant. By and large they are mostly far smarter than other people I interact with (some of their kids on the other hand...let's just say the brilliance and especially work ethic only gets passed on some of the time). I generally think people who haven't done something attribute way too much to luck, people currently doing something don't attribute enough, and people who exited and aged also attribute too much to luck. Luck is where preparation and skill meet opportunity. Opportunities always come, it's a matter of whether a person or firm is prepared to recognize and capitalize on them.

And we all know what a strong sense of my own self/abilities I have too HAHA. Which is just to say that generally if I think someone is really smart, it means a lot. If I think they're kinda dumb, they may very well still be pretty darn smart vs the world.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.

I don't think that is true, necessarily. One opinion and one fact:

Opinion: I think many billionaires are arrogant people of rather typical business acumen that believe their success is 100% of their doing and their wealth is proof of their business intelligence. Success in building a multi-billion dollar business empire is a big mix of luck (luck in taking the right risks, luck in being in the right place at the right time), connections, business savvy, and at times greed. The success in managing an already existing business empire is probably much more the 1st, 2nd, and third points. I truly don't think billionaires are that much more intelligent than many people you interact with in an average day.

Fact: The difference between a typical multi-billion dollar business and a sports franchise is that it is a zero-sum game in terms of record success. If the goal in other businesses was to build the best widget (in sports - the best team) rather than make the most money, our view of many businesses would be different. In terms of typical business success, there are very few, if any, of the big 4 sports franchises that hasn't been a business success. Even if a team is losing money year to year (which I have a hard time believing that is true of many franchises), they own a rapidly appreciating asset. Nobody has been more poor after having owned a team. As fans, we view franchise success as records and championships, regardless of the billions of dollars these owners are making. In other business, we judges success by stock price, regardless of product/service quality.
The fact is a great point.

We will just agree to disagree on the opinion. I know billionaires I think are dumb and I know billionaires I think are brilliant. By and large they are mostly far smarter than other people I interact with (some of their kids on the other hand...let's just say the brilliance and especially work ethic only gets passed on some of the time). I generally think people who haven't done something attribute way too much to luck, people currently doing something don't attribute enough, and people who exited and aged also attribute too much to luck. Luck is where preparation and skill meet opportunity. Opportunities always come, it's a matter of whether a person or firm is prepared to recognize and capitalize on them.

And we all know what a strong sense of my own self/abilities I have too HAHA. Which is just to say that generally if I think someone is really smart, it means a lot. If I think they're kinda dumb, they may very well still be pretty darn smart vs the world.
I generally agree with your first paragraph. Part of the luck has nothing to do with preparation and skill though - the #1 demographic indicator for being a millionaire is the zip code you were born in. The opportunities afforded of most billionaires in the first 25 years of their life are something that even the very well off among us can only imagine. Take for instance the guy that we started the conversation about - Matt Ishbia. He didn't create United Wholesale Mortgage, his dad did. Not to say that he isn't smart or a great businessman - I genuinely have no idea. But the jumpstart to his success had absolutely zero to do with anything other than who his dad is. The idea of a self-made billionaire is almost a myth.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.

I don't think that is true, necessarily. One opinion and one fact:

Opinion: I think many billionaires are arrogant people of rather typical business acumen that believe their success is 100% of their doing and their wealth is proof of their business intelligence. Success in building a multi-billion dollar business empire is a big mix of luck (luck in taking the right risks, luck in being in the right place at the right time), connections, business savvy, and at times greed. The success in managing an already existing business empire is probably much more the 1st, 2nd, and third points. I truly don't think billionaires are that much more intelligent than many people you interact with in an average day.

Fact: The difference between a typical multi-billion dollar business and a sports franchise is that it is a zero-sum game in terms of record success. If the goal in other businesses was to build the best widget (in sports - the best team) rather than make the most money, our view of many businesses would be different. In terms of typical business success, there are very few, if any, of the big 4 sports franchises that hasn't been a business success. Even if a team is losing money year to year (which I have a hard time believing that is true of many franchises), they own a rapidly appreciating asset. Nobody has been more poor after having owned a team. As fans, we view franchise success as records and championships, regardless of the billions of dollars these owners are making. In other business, we judges success by stock price, regardless of product/service quality.
The fact is a great point.

We will just agree to disagree on the opinion. I know billionaires I think are dumb and I know billionaires I think are brilliant. By and large they are mostly far smarter than other people I interact with (some of their kids on the other hand...let's just say the brilliance and especially work ethic only gets passed on some of the time). I generally think people who haven't done something attribute way too much to luck, people currently doing something don't attribute enough, and people who exited and aged also attribute too much to luck. Luck is where preparation and skill meet opportunity. Opportunities always come, it's a matter of whether a person or firm is prepared to recognize and capitalize on them.

And we all know what a strong sense of my own self/abilities I have too HAHA. Which is just to say that generally if I think someone is really smart, it means a lot. If I think they're kinda dumb, they may very well still be pretty darn smart vs the world.
I generally agree with your first paragraph. Part of the luck has nothing to do with preparation and skill though - the #1 demographic indicator for being a millionaire is the zip code you were born in. The opportunities afforded of most billionaires in the first 25 years of their life are something that even the very well off among us can only imagine. Take for instance the guy that we started the conversation about - Matt Ishbia. He didn't create United Wholesale Mortgage, his dad did. Not to say that he isn't smart or a great businessman - I genuinely have no idea. But the jumpstart to his success had absolutely zero to do with anything other than who his dad is. The idea of a self-made billionaire is almost a myth.
This is exactly why I crafted my comments in my post above. IMO Ishbia took actual advantage of his life advantage. Which is commendable. Yet that still doesn't make him a great owner.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....

I have to give Dolan a little credit. Since he banned my friend from MSG for making the "Ban Dolan" merch his sales have skyrocketed. With the viral nature of the story, revenues have increased 100 fold :thumbup:
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.

I don't think that is true, necessarily. One opinion and one fact:

Opinion: I think many billionaires are arrogant people of rather typical business acumen that believe their success is 100% of their doing and their wealth is proof of their business intelligence. Success in building a multi-billion dollar business empire is a big mix of luck (luck in taking the right risks, luck in being in the right place at the right time), connections, business savvy, and at times greed. The success in managing an already existing business empire is probably much more the 1st, 2nd, and third points. I truly don't think billionaires are that much more intelligent than many people you interact with in an average day.

Fact: The difference between a typical multi-billion dollar business and a sports franchise is that it is a zero-sum game in terms of record success. If the goal in other businesses was to build the best widget (in sports - the best team) rather than make the most money, our view of many businesses would be different. In terms of typical business success, there are very few, if any, of the big 4 sports franchises that hasn't been a business success. Even if a team is losing money year to year (which I have a hard time believing that is true of many franchises), they own a rapidly appreciating asset. Nobody has been more poor after having owned a team. As fans, we view franchise success as records and championships, regardless of the billions of dollars these owners are making. In other business, we judges success by stock price, regardless of product/service quality.
The fact is a great point.

We will just agree to disagree on the opinion. I know billionaires I think are dumb and I know billionaires I think are brilliant. By and large they are mostly far smarter than other people I interact with (some of their kids on the other hand...let's just say the brilliance and especially work ethic only gets passed on some of the time). I generally think people who haven't done something attribute way too much to luck, people currently doing something don't attribute enough, and people who exited and aged also attribute too much to luck. Luck is where preparation and skill meet opportunity. Opportunities always come, it's a matter of whether a person or firm is prepared to recognize and capitalize on them.

And we all know what a strong sense of my own self/abilities I have too HAHA. Which is just to say that generally if I think someone is really smart, it means a lot. If I think they're kinda dumb, they may very well still be pretty darn smart vs the world.
I generally agree with your first paragraph. Part of the luck has nothing to do with preparation and skill though - the #1 demographic indicator for being a millionaire is the zip code you were born in. The opportunities afforded of most billionaires in the first 25 years of their life are something that even the very well off among us can only imagine. Take for instance the guy that we started the conversation about - Matt Ishbia. He didn't create United Wholesale Mortgage, his dad did. Not to say that he isn't smart or a great businessman - I genuinely have no idea. But the jumpstart to his success had absolutely zero to do with anything other than who his dad is. The idea of a self-made billionaire is almost a myth.
This is exactly why I crafted my comments in my post above. IMO Ishbia took actual advantage of his life advantage. Which is commendable. Yet that still doesn't make him a great owner.
Yeah I mean I'm not talking about the bolded. But the zip code / opportunities thing...I get that. we live in the "let's all recognize privilege" timeline. But at the end of the day, just because you got to go to better schools and became smarter because you were well taught doesn't mean you aren't smarter. It doesn't mean someone from south Dallas couldn't have been just as successful as the guy from Highland Park...but the kids in Highland park still have to go to the classes and get the grades and make the connections etc.

I'm fine to say that's all luck, just like it's luck that Jokic is 7' tall and I'm only 6'2". If i were 7 feet tall, I'd be in the NBA and I'd probably be pretty good. That doesn't mean Jokic is just lucky. He's clearly worked his butt off, right?
 
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Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.
The only difference between a sports team and any other business you buy is that many sports team buyers think they know the sport/business coming in. Whereas all those same people know what they don't know when they buy some other business.

I don't think that is true, necessarily. One opinion and one fact:

Opinion: I think many billionaires are arrogant people of rather typical business acumen that believe their success is 100% of their doing and their wealth is proof of their business intelligence. Success in building a multi-billion dollar business empire is a big mix of luck (luck in taking the right risks, luck in being in the right place at the right time), connections, business savvy, and at times greed. The success in managing an already existing business empire is probably much more the 1st, 2nd, and third points. I truly don't think billionaires are that much more intelligent than many people you interact with in an average day.

Fact: The difference between a typical multi-billion dollar business and a sports franchise is that it is a zero-sum game in terms of record success. If the goal in other businesses was to build the best widget (in sports - the best team) rather than make the most money, our view of many businesses would be different. In terms of typical business success, there are very few, if any, of the big 4 sports franchises that hasn't been a business success. Even if a team is losing money year to year (which I have a hard time believing that is true of many franchises), they own a rapidly appreciating asset. Nobody has been more poor after having owned a team. As fans, we view franchise success as records and championships, regardless of the billions of dollars these owners are making. In other business, we judges success by stock price, regardless of product/service quality.
The fact is a great point.

We will just agree to disagree on the opinion. I know billionaires I think are dumb and I know billionaires I think are brilliant. By and large they are mostly far smarter than other people I interact with (some of their kids on the other hand...let's just say the brilliance and especially work ethic only gets passed on some of the time). I generally think people who haven't done something attribute way too much to luck, people currently doing something don't attribute enough, and people who exited and aged also attribute too much to luck. Luck is where preparation and skill meet opportunity. Opportunities always come, it's a matter of whether a person or firm is prepared to recognize and capitalize on them.

And we all know what a strong sense of my own self/abilities I have too HAHA. Which is just to say that generally if I think someone is really smart, it means a lot. If I think they're kinda dumb, they may very well still be pretty darn smart vs the world.
I generally agree with your first paragraph. Part of the luck has nothing to do with preparation and skill though - the #1 demographic indicator for being a millionaire is the zip code you were born in. The opportunities afforded of most billionaires in the first 25 years of their life are something that even the very well off among us can only imagine. Take for instance the guy that we started the conversation about - Matt Ishbia. He didn't create United Wholesale Mortgage, his dad did. Not to say that he isn't smart or a great businessman - I genuinely have no idea. But the jumpstart to his success had absolutely zero to do with anything other than who his dad is. The idea of a self-made billionaire is almost a myth.
This is exactly why I crafted my comments in my post above. IMO Ishbia took actual advantage of his life advantage. Which is commendable. Yet that still doesn't make him a great owner.
Yeah I mean I'm not talking about the bolded. But the zip code / opportunities thing...I get that. we live in the "let's all recognize privilege" timeline. But at the end of the day, just because you got to go to better schools and became smarter because you were well taught doesn't mean you aren't smarter. It doesn't mean someone from south Dallas couldn't have been just as successful as the guy from Highland Park...but the kids in Highland park still have to go to the classes and get the grades and make the connections etc.

I'm fine to say that's all luck, just like it's like that Jokic is 7' tall and I'm only 6'2". If i were 7 feet tall, I'd be in the NBA and I'd probably be pretty good. That doesn't mean Jokic is just lucky. He's clearly worked his butt off, right?
I think we're saying the same thing...
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.

He's a member of the lucky sperm club. I'd settle it down on his business acumen. He took daddy's business and did well when EVERY mortgage shop did well.

He's been an abject failure as an owner. And now what? No draft capital. No leverage. On his 4th head coach coming into his 4th year of ownership. So genuinely smart and reasonable. :rolleyes:
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
So weird. Because he really is a crappy owner so far.

Yeah, he really has no defense here. At all.
I mean if it's any consolation he's not the absolute crappiest I guess?

:lmao:

This is fair.

Give it time, tho.....
 
i think what the billionaire owners of teams forget is that they are the guy with thier name on the deed but they aint the owners the owners are the fans that fill up the bars and stadiums and buy the gear and bleed the colors good guys like cuban steinbrenner kraft love their teams or hate them cared about winning and so the people loved them the minute you try to win and put winners on the field the people love you take that to the bank brohans
I think Ishbia genuinely tried to win. He's just failed at it so far.

He hasn't just failed, though...he's set his team back years! Right? The future of this team is dimmer than his hair plugs.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
What's wild to me here is that I've heard Ishbia speak on professional and business-related issues and he seems like a genuinely smart, reasonable guy. He's also got to be given credit for taking full advantage of the advantages given to him in life to excel. In other words, Ishbia is no dummy.

I guess the moral of this story is that owning a sports franchise is much harder than one may think and that an owner should really let the GM control things for at least a significant period of time.

He's a member of the lucky sperm club. I'd settle it down on his business acumen. He took daddy's business and did well when EVERY mortgage shop did well.

He's been an abject failure as an owner. And now what? No draft capital. No leverage. On his 4th head coach coming into his 4th year of ownership. So genuinely smart and reasonable. :rolleyes:
My point is that I’ve seen and heard him speak on other issues. I found found him to be smart and reasonable on those topics. :shrug:
 
I wouldn't be so quick to judge Ishbia, he has definitely made some mistakes, the real question is will he learn from it.

If we go back just a year ago we could have easily made the same argument for the Pistons owner Tom Gores. Look at this list.

Was the main reason for the Blake Griffin trade.
Hired Monty Williams by throwing more money and more money at him even though he turned down the job multiple times.
Didn't fire his GM immediately after he threaten to fight a fan
Hired awful general managers

And now look the team. He paid Monty Williams like 80 million dollars to just go away after he realized it was a huge mistake, hired what looks to be a very good GM, and coach and got out of the way since he did. Gores seems to be learning from his mistakes and the Pistons future is pointing up.
 
Mat Ishbia demanding an apology from Stphen Smith for calling him a crappy owner.

You know, I didn't think the NBA would ever find an owner as thin-skinned as James Dolan but here we are.....
So weird. Because he really is a crappy owner so far.
Pretty sure he was apologizing for likening him to Donald Sterling who we all know had way more baggage outside being a terrible owner and didn’t want that to be the implication about ishbia
 
The Hawks and Heat game has been tough to watch. The Heat are up 17 and I think if they were playing well they would be up 40. I can't believe one of these teams gets to make the playoffs.
 
AD apparently a game time decision even though Kidd apparently has no idea what the setback was, if any
This could have some interesting draft consequences.

With Heat looking fairly likely to beat Atlanta, a Mavs win would give the Kings a coin flip to keep their pick. I also believe Memphis would keep their own pick if they lose (too lazy to verify, so just trust me).
 
AD apparently a game time decision even though Kidd apparently has no idea what the setback was, if any
This could have some interesting draft consequences.

With Heat looking fairly likely to beat Atlanta, a Mavs win would give the Kings a coin flip to keep their pick. I also believe Memphis would keep their own pick if they lose (too lazy to verify, so just trust me).
Yes, Memphis will keep their pick if they lose because that will put them into the lottery and the pick is lottery protected. Washington will then get two 2nds instead of pick 18-20 this year.
 
Ishbia’s comments were amazing. Promising multiple titles when you are near the second apron, have no picks of your own for 7 years, the worst contract in sports and are about to unload a top-15 player of all-time is hysterical. Has to be the bleakest situation in the league.
 
Ishbia’s comments were amazing. Promising multiple titles when you are near the second apron, have no picks of your own for 7 years, the worst contract in sports and are about to unload a top-15 player of all-time is hysterical. Has to be the bleakest situation in the league.
Not if his ego let's up a bit and they go full rebuild. Take Booker for a couple of their picks back from Houston plus a couple good young pieces. Get what they can for Durant - which if they punt on the new few years, will be a much better package. Ishbia is a bigger problem then their situation otherwise.
 
Ishbia’s comments were amazing. Promising multiple titles when you are near the second apron, have no picks of your own for 7 years, the worst contract in sports and are about to unload a top-15 player of all-time is hysterical. Has to be the bleakest situation in the league.
Not if his ego let's up a bit and they go full rebuild. Take Booker for a couple of their picks back from Houston plus a couple good young pieces. Get what they can for Durant - which if they punt on the new few years, will be a much better package. Ishbia is a bigger problem then their situation otherwise.
Why trade Booker though? You don’t have your picks if you bottom out, the team would then be less attractive to free agents and the odds of drafting somebody you get with those picks you acquired that is better than Booker is probably <5%. They are screwed.
 
Ishbia’s comments were amazing. Promising multiple titles when you are near the second apron, have no picks of your own for 7 years, the worst contract in sports and are about to unload a top-15 player of all-time is hysterical. Has to be the bleakest situation in the league.
Not if his ego let's up a bit and they go full rebuild. Take Booker for a couple of their picks back from Houston plus a couple good young pieces. Get what they can for Durant - which if they punt on the new few years, will be a much better package. Ishbia is a bigger problem then their situation otherwise.
Why trade Booker though? You don’t have your picks if you bottom out, the team would then be less attractive to free agents and the odds of drafting somebody you get with those picks you acquired that is better than Booker is probably <5%. They are screwed.
Trade Booker to Houston to get their own picks back
 
Ishbia’s comments were amazing. Promising multiple titles when you are near the second apron, have no picks of your own for 7 years, the worst contract in sports and are about to unload a top-15 player of all-time is hysterical. Has to be the bleakest situation in the league.
Not if his ego let's up a bit and they go full rebuild. Take Booker for a couple of their picks back from Houston plus a couple good young pieces. Get what they can for Durant - which if they punt on the new few years, will be a much better package. Ishbia is a bigger problem then their situation otherwise.
Why trade Booker though? You don’t have your picks if you bottom out, the team would then be less attractive to free agents and the odds of drafting somebody you get with those picks you acquired that is better than Booker is probably <5%. They are screwed.
Trade Booker to Houston to get their own picks back
That 2027 unprotected 1 is so funny.
 

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