2024-25 NBA Thread: Finals court designs NBA ordered off Temu finally came in (156 Viewers)

[Instinctive]

Outside of All-Defense (which I don't think should be subject to this requirement... maybe make it a requirement for 1st team but not 2nd), there isn't a single player that is actually affected by the 65-game rule.

Huh?

Not a single player practically affected. Nobody would have gotten the votes to land a real award that was made ineligible because of the 65 game rule.

Yea I think this actually is true. I misconstrued what you were saying. Only debatable one is maybe KD

Umm...Luka Doncic? Am I missing something lol

Regarding Durant, I think he may have caught some votes for all-nba but with the way the Suns' season worked out, I can't imagine he would have been highly considered.

Regarding Doncic, I can't think of a single player that has been named All-NBA with 50 games played in an 82 game season. He was also not nearly as good when he did play this year.

What about a single player who averaged 28-8-8 and was universally regarded as a top 5-10 player who played at least 50 games and DIDN'T make All-NBA? I can't think of a single one.

 

[SWC]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

 

[the moops]

I think they are saying that nobody would vote for Luka even if you took the restriction away. Not that Luka wouldn’t make it if he had played 15 more games.

I didn't pick up on that because it's such a dumb take it didn't cross my mind.

Jesus dude. No need to be a **** about it.

 

[Instinctive]

I think they are saying that nobody would vote for Luka even if you took the restriction away. Not that Luka wouldn’t make it if he had played 15 more games.

I didn't pick up on that because it's such a dumb take it didn't cross my mind.

Jesus dude. No need to be a **** about it.

Smart people say dumb things all the time. Where are we if we can't hold each other accountable?

 

[coopersdad]

Nico Harrison and Rick Welts held a 60 minute closed door, invite only, no recording devices sit down with "select" local media.

Let's just say the public perception is not going well.

It just keeps getting worse.

 

[Kev4029]

Outside of All-Defense (which I don't think should be subject to this requirement... maybe make it a requirement for 1st team but not 2nd), there isn't a single player that is actually affected by the 65-game rule.

Huh?

Not a single player practically affected. Nobody would have gotten the votes to land a real award that was made ineligible because of the 65 game rule.

Yea I think this actually is true. I misconstrued what you were saying. Only debatable one is maybe KD

Umm...Luka Doncic? Am I missing something lol

Yes. He only played 50 games. Nobody is voting for him for all NBA at only 50 games played

We can just agree to disagree that a top five player averaging 28-8-8 wasn't gonna make an All NBA team with 50 games played.

I'm ok being on the other side of that one.

So somebody on Reddit put together a spreadsheet on who has gotten All-NBA nods with fewer than 65 games played.

In 82 game seasons in the last 20 years, 3 players have made an All-NBA team with less than 55 games played. Only Yao made it with 50 or less (which was a terrible selection in 06-07). Steph in 17-18 played 51 (Curry may have been the best player in the league this year and they were in the middle of their title runs), and Wade with 51 in 06-07 (the year after they won the title, Wade was in the conversation for best player in the league).

 

[msudaisy26]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

When the Bucks decide to blow it up this summer please send Giannis to the Pistons. We promise to take good care of him and welcome all Bucks fans to join us.

 

[General Malaise]

Nico Harrison and Rick Welts held a 60 minute closed door, invite only, no recording devices sit down with "select" local media.

Let's just say the public perception is not going well.

It just keeps getting worse.

Is it true that they just traded Paige Bueckers to the LA Sparks for Emma Cannon and a pick swap in 2029?

 

[Instinctive]

Outside of All-Defense (which I don't think should be subject to this requirement... maybe make it a requirement for 1st team but not 2nd), there isn't a single player that is actually affected by the 65-game rule.

Huh?

Not a single player practically affected. Nobody would have gotten the votes to land a real award that was made ineligible because of the 65 game rule.

Yea I think this actually is true. I misconstrued what you were saying. Only debatable one is maybe KD

Umm...Luka Doncic? Am I missing something lol

Yes. He only played 50 games. Nobody is voting for him for all NBA at only 50 games played

We can just agree to disagree that a top five player averaging 28-8-8 wasn't gonna make an All NBA team with 50 games played.

I'm ok being on the other side of that one.

So somebody on Reddit put together a spreadsheet on who has gotten All-NBA nods with fewer than 65 games played.

In 82 game seasons in the last 20 years, 3 players have made an All-NBA team with less than 55 games played. Only Yao made it with 50 or less (which was a terrible selection in 06-07). Steph in 17-18 played 51 (Curry may have been the best player in the league this year and they were in the middle of their title runs), and Wade with 51 in 06-07 (the year after they won the title, Wade was in the conversation for best player in the league).

And if we expand it to 30 years, you add in some Shaq and Chris Webber seasons. if we say less than or equal to 55 games, we add in multiple LeBron seasons (by the way, does the LeBron in 2020-21 not count? It prorates to 51 games played though the seasons as cut at 72 games) and a KD season too.

I guess my question is...does Luka look more like those you named and all these other ones? Or does he look more like a rando all-star? I think he'd pretty clearly make it if people were allowed to vote for him.

Just of guys loosely considered locks, he may even make first team. But he'd bump Brunson for sure, maybe Mitchell (guess it depends how you value team success), possibly Edwards, definitely Halliburton, Cunningham, Thunder Williams, maybe Curry...maybe I'm missing someone else in consideration but I don't think I did after a quick skim.

Obviously he wouldn't bump SGA...but he might very well bump every single other guard in consideration with is 50 game sample alone.


ETA great source btw. That was a fun little deep dive. I think it would still be interesting to see how many guys made the All NBA teams one year, missed, then made another, and have 5+ career selections total, and ow many games were played in the missed year. I suspect the number would typically be below 50% of team games to get a regular name to miss it.

 

[SWC]

since both are considered elite second fiddle type guys who would you rather have jason tatum or anthony davis take that to the bank brohans

 

[SWC]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

When the Bucks decide to blow it up this summer please send Giannis to the Pistons. We promise to take good care of him and welcome all Bucks fans to join us.

man i like michigan a lot but after the motor city bad boys era and how much i view that as a black spot on basetball i have to tell you that i hope that never happens take that to the bank brohans

 

[msudaisy26]

since both are considered elite second fiddle type guys who would you rather have jason tatum or anthony davis take that to the bank brohans

Tatum pretty easily for me.

 

[Kev4029]

since both are considered elite second fiddle type guys who would you rather have jason tatum or anthony davis take that to the bank brohans

In the bubble where Davis could hit a jump shot or are we talking about the other 11 seasons of his career? If we are talking the 55% from midrange, 38% from three version of Davis, 100% Davis. The rest of his career, 100% Tatum.

 

[SWC]

i am talking about using both davis and tatum in thier optimal roles as second or maybe third best guys on a team so like if you have a lebron then davis is suddenly awesome or if you have guys that win without you like brown and holiday then tatum looks good but i mean just using them both as second or maybe third best guys like they are now so who do you pick ps i guess the current roster of your own team will matter as well since you need the other guys to really know take that to the bank brochachos

 

[coopersdad]

Nico Harrison and Rick Welts held a 60 minute closed door, invite only, no recording devices sit down with "select" local media.

Let's just say the public perception is not going well.

It just keeps getting worse.

Is it true that they just traded Paige Bueckers to the LA Sparks for Emma Cannon and a pick swap in 2029?

Nope we got back Kim Mulkey (player/coach) and NIL $.

 

[msudaisy26]

i am talking about using both davis and tatum in thier optimal roles as second or maybe third best guys on a team so like if you have a lebron then davis is suddenly awesome or if you have guys that win without you like brown and holiday then tatum looks good but i mean just using them both as second or maybe third best guys like they are now take that to the bank brochachos

For a season or career? I am taking the chance on Dav is for a season, for a career I am taking Tatum because he stays healthy.

 

[SWC]

lets just say for a single season of anything if you want to use the nba regular season fine if you want to use an olympic run or a world games run fine just say why take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Alex P Keaton]

i wonder if the bucks will deal dame in the offseason i just dont feel like it works which makes me sad take that to the bank brohans

I mean it's possible I suppose

I don't see them getting a return that makes them better. Ignoring his injury issue (which really shouldnt be), with so many apron teams, that contract is so hard to move anyway.

How many teams think getting a Dame puts them over the top? When it just didn't with the Bucks.

Bucks aren't in a good spot. Very well could see Giannis asking out.

I just assume Giannis is asking out at this point. Hope that he doesn’t. But if he ever wants to win another title, he needs to leave. Ideally for Golden State.

 

[SWC]

i wonder if the bucks will deal dame in the offseason i just dont feel like it works which makes me sad take that to the bank brohans

I mean it's possible I suppose

I don't see them getting a return that makes them better. Ignoring his injury issue (which really shouldnt be), with so many apron teams, that contract is so hard to move anyway.

How many teams think getting a Dame puts them over the top? When it just didn't with the Bucks.

Bucks aren't in a good spot. Very well could see Giannis asking out.

I just assume Giannis is asking out at this point. Hope that he doesn’t. But if he ever wants to win another title, he needs to leave. Ideally for Golden State.

if he went to golden state id love it seriously id be sad he left but glad he went there to a good coach and steph and hopefully we would get draymond in the trade and make him work on jones island shoveling milogranite before we launched him in rocket full of bees into the sun take that to the bank

 

[Moe.]

I think they are saying that nobody would vote for Luka even if you took the restriction away. Not that Luka wouldn’t make it if he had played 15 more games.

I didn't pick up on that because it's such a dumb take it didn't cross my mind.

Is Luka a guard, forward, or can he be either? It’s pretty easy to come up with 6 guards who are locks to be ahead of him, not sure on forwards though.

 

[Moe.]

I forgot All NBA went positionless recently. I still don’t see it for Luka this season.

 

[Frostillicus]

I think if there was no games restriction Luka likely makes 3rd team. But it's not a stone cold lock.

 

[Moe.]

Outside of All-Defense (which I don't think should be subject to this requirement... maybe make it a requirement for 1st team but not 2nd), there isn't a single player that is actually affected by the 65-game rule.

Huh?

Not a single player practically affected. Nobody would have gotten the votes to land a real award that was made ineligible because of the 65 game rule.

Yea I think this actually is true. I misconstrued what you were saying. Only debatable one is maybe KD

Umm...Luka Doncic? Am I missing something lol

Yes. He only played 50 games. Nobody is voting for him for all NBA at only 50 games played

We can just agree to disagree that a top five player averaging 28-8-8 wasn't gonna make an All NBA team with 50 games played.

I'm ok being on the other side of that one.

So somebody on Reddit put together a spreadsheet on who has gotten All-NBA nods with fewer than 65 games played.

In 82 game seasons in the last 20 years, 3 players have made an All-NBA team with less than 55 games played. Only Yao made it with 50 or less (which was a terrible selection in 06-07). Steph in 17-18 played 51 (Curry may have been the best player in the league this year and they were in the middle of their title runs), and Wade with 51 in 06-07 (the year after they won the title, Wade was in the conversation for best player in the league).

And if we expand it to 30 years, you add in some Shaq and Chris Webber seasons. if we say less than or equal to 55 games, we add in multiple LeBron seasons (by the way, does the LeBron in 2020-21 not count? It prorates to 51 games played though the seasons as cut at 72 games) and a KD season too.

I guess my question is...does Luka look more like those you named and all these other ones? Or does he look more like a rando all-star? I think he'd pretty clearly make it if people were allowed to vote for him.

Just of guys loosely considered locks, he may even make first team. But he'd bump Brunson for sure, maybe Mitchell (guess it depends how you value team success), possibly Edwards, definitely Halliburton, Cunningham, Thunder Williams, maybe Curry...maybe I'm missing someone else in consideration but I don't think I did after a quick skim.

Obviously he wouldn't bump SGA...but he might very well bump every single other guard in consideration with is 50 game sample alone.


ETA great source btw. That was a fun little deep dive. I think it would still be interesting to see how many guys made the All NBA teams one year, missed, then made another, and have 5+ career selections total, and ow many games were played in the missed year. I suspect the number would typically be below 50% of team games to get a regular name to miss it.

I don’t think he’d get a single first team vote.

SGA
Tatum
Jokic
Giannis
Ant or Mitchell

Zero chance he’s ahead of any of those 6

 

[Frostillicus]

SGA, Jokic, Towns, Edwards, Tatum, Mitchell, Giannis, Brunson, Lebron, and Harden would all be in over a 50 game Luka I'd think. Then you have Cade, Curry, JJJ, Haliburton, Mobley, and if the rule is dropped KD. Luka would be in the coversation.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

i wonder if the bucks will deal dame in the offseason i just dont feel like it works which makes me sad take that to the bank brohans

I mean it's possible I suppose

I don't see them getting a return that makes them better. Ignoring his injury issue (which really shouldnt be), with so many apron teams, that contract is so hard to move anyway.

How many teams think getting a Dame puts them over the top? When it just didn't with the Bucks.

Bucks aren't in a good spot. Very well could see Giannis asking out.

I just assume Giannis is asking out at this point. Hope that he doesn’t. But if he ever wants to win another title, he needs to leave. Ideally for Golden State.

if he went to golden state id love it seriously id be sad he left but glad he went there to a good coach and steph and hopefully we would get draymond in the trade and make him work on jones island shoveling milogranite before we launched him in rocket full of bees into the sun take that to the bank

Hey brochacho I doubt green is moved. They've got no reason to move. With the new CBA (and the colossal failures of PHX and PHI testing it), I highly doubt we see another team trying the 3 player max salary build ...it's so prohibitive trying to trade as can't aggregate salary in deals, can't work through buyout market, etc.....

I think we'll see Julius Randle in about every trade rumor with offseason. So if he excites someone, I'm sure he'll be an option

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The arguments in this thread have definitely convinced me that people like to argue

And some just have to have the last word. Every. Time.

 

[nirad3]

The arguments in this thread have definitely convinced me that people like to argue

And some just have to have the last word. Every. Time.

whatever

 

[Jayrod]

Not really known @SWC to troll but maybe just bored? The trio of posts about how Tatum would be ideal as a #2 player is some stinky bait.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

NYK 5-16

As a Bulls homer, I lived through a stat like this during the Tom Thibodeau era.

Thibs works his players so hard that they run over the weak, undisciplined teams with sheer will and intensity. When they cross paths with teams that can match them with not only talent but with discipline, will and intensity, his teams struggle to find an edge.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

AJ Green being called "Dairy Bird" ranks right up there with "The Anteater" for Bucks nicknames.

 

[Major]

Looking forward to this Magic v. Hawks game tonight. I like both teams but Ice Trae in the clutch is making me think they're a good bet at +5.5.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

 

[Zow]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

I 100% would vote him third this year without hesitation.*


*Bill Simmons tried to champion Tatum and Rusillo correctly told him Giannis is the clear third choice.

 

[Desert_Power]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

There is nothing quite like the NBA playoffs.

 

[Yo Mama]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

I 100% would vote him third this year without hesitation.*


*Bill Simmons tried to champion Tatum and Rusillo correctly told him Giannis is the clear third choice.

Yeah, Tatum has to get past AD before he can get to Gianni’s’ level.

 

[msudaisy26]

Predictions tonight?

I think the Hawks get it done and the so do the Warriors, but I think the Warriors game is closer than the minus 7 suggests.

 

[Mister CIA]

Request is already in for ATL to drop tonight's game. Too late to rescind, sorry.






...Spurs own Hawks 2025 1st.

 

[Moe.]

Magic and Warriors tonight.

Kings and Bulls tomorrow. Kings and Bulls get the 8s

 

[Stinkin Ref]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

that's a slow Tuesday night for Joker....

 

[the moops]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

If you change it to 30/5/10, Oscar did that 6 times

 

[Yo Mama]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

that's a slow Tuesday night for Joker....

Except for the fact Joker’s never done that (averaged those numbers for a season).

 

[the moops]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

that's a slow Tuesday night for Joker....

Except for the fact Joker’s never done that (averaged those numbers for a season).

But did average 33/13/10 on Tuesdays this year

 

[msudaisy26]

Magic and Warriors tonight.

Kings and Bulls tomorrow. Kings and Bulls get the 8s

I agree that the Bulls beat whoever loses tonight. I just think Trae Young has one of those games.

 

[Yo Mama]

Hawks and Warriors get the 7s

Bulls and Kings

Magic and Grizz get the 8s

 

[Stinkin Ref]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

that's a slow Tuesday night for Joker....

Except for the fact Joker’s never done that (averaged those numbers for a season).

bolded....he actually has done better if you factor in "overall impact"....this year (29.6) so basically 30....12.7 higher then the 10....and 10.2....so 5 more assists which led directly to "points".....shoot instead of pass and he has 30 PPG easy....either way, accounting for 10 more points a game...I mean we are kind of splitting hairs here but the point is still the same...

 

[nirad3]

Magic and Warriors tonight.

Kings and Bulls tomorrow. Kings and Bulls get the 8s

I agree that the Bulls beat whoever loses tonight. I just think Trae Young has one of those games.

I think Orlando's D clamps down on Trae. He's pretty much all they have so they won't let him singlehandedly beat them. Should be a good game tho.

 

[msudaisy26]

Magic and Warriors tonight.

Kings and Bulls tomorrow. Kings and Bulls get the 8s

I agree that the Bulls beat whoever loses tonight. I just think Trae Young has one of those games.

I think Orlando's D clamps down on Trae. He's pretty much all they have so they won't let him singlehandedly beat them. Should be a good game tho.

I always think that when he plays the Celtics and he just finds a way.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

that's a slow Tuesday night for Joker....

Except for the fact Joker’s never done that (averaged those numbers for a season).

bolded....he actually has done better if you factor in "overall impact"....this year (29.6) so basically 30....12.7 higher then the 10....and 10.2....so 5 more assists which led directly to "points".....shoot instead of pass and he has 30 PPG easy....either way, accounting for 10 more points a game...I mean we are kind of splitting hairs here but the point is still the same...

If you’re doing “overall impact,” let’s do defense. Giannis is a menace 2 society on the other end.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

can we get some solid hot takes in here i am tired and could use a pick me up take that to the bank bromigos

Giannis finished the season 30/12/7. Wilt, Oscar and Giannis are the only players in NBA history to have a 30/10/5 season, but Giannis has now done it 3 times in a row. All three years he's done this while shooting a true 60%, which no one else has ever done in NBA history. Without him the Bucks probably wouldn't win 10 games. It's an easy year for MVP voters.

If you change it to 30/5/10, Oscar did that 6 times

Si mi tía tuviera bolas, sería mi tío

 

[Yo Mama]

I guess it’s not surprising that even here the refs stick up for Jokic.