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2024-25 NBA Thread: defeated Minnesota fan ready to move on to next crushing disappointment (30 Viewers)

Capella said:
Instinctive said:
Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.
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Honestly don’t know how Mavs fans rebound from this. I think giving up on them is a legit option.
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What if they win it this year?
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Capella said:
Instinctive said:
Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.
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Honestly don’t know how Mavs fans rebound from this. I think giving up on them is a legit option.
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What if they win it this year?
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win what?
 
Long Ball Larry said:
CletiusMaximus said:
TheAristocrat said:
Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.
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I think you have understand the money. I don't claim to understand NBA finance but have read this trade moves the Mavs from being millions over the luxury tax to now being under it, due in part to AD waiving his trade bonus. The luxury tax can cost a team over $150m per season, depending on payroll, and is only going up each year. The Adelsons bought control of the team about one year ago, paying about $2.5Bln, are now facing a $350m fully guaranteed commitment to one player and decided against that. People will say they could have negotiated better and gotten more out of the deal, and I've no idea about that, but I'm not sure how many teams are in a position to take on this player right now. For me, from the Lakers' perspective, it’s not about what Luka is worth but what they would give up to get him now rather than waiting six months or eighteen depending on circumstances. It seems to me success in the modern NBA comes from great management, some luck, and above all having an owner willing to spend crazy money to take a shot. As more teams are sold to financial buyers and investment funds, we could possibly see more of this where the investors do some math and decide they don't want to fund a plan that requires a massive guaranteed commitment to one player and hundreds of millions in luxury tax.
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It is true that the tax has become more punitive in the new cba, but in now way would Lukas 35% max contract lock them into to hundreds of millions in luxury tax. They only had 32 million on the books guaranteed for 2026 (39 if you want to assume they would pick up livelys option) against a 170 million cap. Even with Luka’s 59.5 they would have had a lot of space to work with. They would have had plenty of ways to work around the luxury tax as well and you can be a little bit over without getting hosed that badly. Giving up a hall of fame-track player at 26 seems like one of the worst ways to try to deal with that.

I guess if they had their minds made up that Luka had peaked and it was all downhill from here, then it makes sense, but I just have a hard time believing that is the case (obviously acknowledging they have way more information than I do).

Minor detail in all this, I have no clue why AD gave up his trade kicker. What does he care?
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Still seems odd. Even if Dallas believed that about Luka they could have started a bidding war with more than a dozen teams in the league and gotten a much better return.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Capella said:
Instinctive said:
Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.
Click to expand...
Honestly don’t know how Mavs fans rebound from this. I think giving up on them is a legit option.
Click to expand...

What if they win it this year?
Click to expand...

Win what?
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Capella said:
Instinctive said:
Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.
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Honestly don’t know how Mavs fans rebound from this. I think giving up on them is a legit option.
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What if they win it this year?
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The title?! Look anything can happen. Maybe Davis is the MVP for the next five months. And Kyrie the runner up. But man that seems unlikely.
 
trader jake said:
Kevin Durant is correct about loyalty
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He is? Loyalty doesn’t even exist in college sports anymore, let alone in the NBA with literal billions of dollars being thrown around. That’s been the case with NBA players since at least “The Decision”. I like KD, but he knows as well as anyone that it’s just business, on both sides, and has been for years now.
 
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year, what player could the Mavs have realistically targeted who is better than Davis?
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I think both the Lakers and Mavs made the trade knowing that the trade is going t hurt both teams chances for success this season. You don’t just trade way franchise players that your team’s fundamentals and schemes are built upon mid-season and expect to seamlessly integrate a completely different player with different talents with no short term drop off. I do however kinda see where you might be going with this. Perhaps your question is more to the effect of—if the goal of the Mavs was to get at least one elite player +some ancillary pieces in return for Luka—what feasible players are there out there that are better than Davis? By feasible—let’s take the top five untouchables out (Shai, Jokic, Edwards, Tatum, Wemby).
 
Moe. said:
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year, what player could the Mavs have realistically targeted who is better than Davis?
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Even if you accept that they had to trade Luka, if you want to win this year you just keep him and do this exact trade in the offseason.
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Exactly. Premise of the question is dumb lol. The only answers are...are there any answers? SGA? Tatum?
 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year, what player could the Mavs have realistically targeted who is better than Davis?
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I think both the Lakers and Mavs made the trade knowing that the trade is going t hurt both teams chances for success this season. You don’t just trade way franchise players that your team’s fundamentals and schemes are built upon mid-season and expect to seamlessly integrate a completely different player with different talents with no short term drop off. I do however kinda see where you might be going with this. Perhaps your question is more to the effect of—if the goal of the Mavs was to get at least one elite player +some ancillary pieces in return for Luka—what feasible players are there out there that are better than Davis? By feasible—let’s take the top five untouchables out (Shai, Jokic, Edwards, Tatum, Wemby).
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Giannis
Booker (although if they traded Luka for Booker I legit would cancel my tickets immediately that would be so gross and vomit-inducing)
Curry + Kuminga

Just spitballing

The answer is basically nobody.
 
it IS possible we're about to get news that's like "Luka's knee has no cartilage and we have to amputate part of his calf, he's out the rest of the year and may never be the same."

And even then it still might be a dumb trade.
 
There has to be a reason they didn't shop him around to get a better return, and I'm not quite prepared to accept "they're very stupid and don't know what they are doing" as an explanation. I wonder how many NBA teams were truly realistic landing spots for Luka that would have given up more than what Dallas got in this deal. Its an odd situation for the acquiring team because they are being asked to give up substantial assets and take on a big contract on the hope the player will be happy playing there and will want to extend with them this summer. Otherwise he's a very expensive short term rental and you could get a disgruntled Slovenian moping around your building for a while before losing him for nothing. The big question is why the Mavs made the decision to move on, but once that decision was made they may not have had many options.
 
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Instinctive said:
jvdesigns2002 said:
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year, what player could the Mavs have realistically targeted who is better than Davis?
Click to expand...
I think both the Lakers and Mavs made the trade knowing that the trade is going t hurt both teams chances for success this season. You don’t just trade way franchise players that your team’s fundamentals and schemes are built upon mid-season and expect to seamlessly integrate a completely different player with different talents with no short term drop off. I do however kinda see where you might be going with this. Perhaps your question is more to the effect of—if the goal of the Mavs was to get at least one elite player +some ancillary pieces in return for Luka—what feasible players are there out there that are better than Davis? By feasible—let’s take the top five untouchables out (Shai, Jokic, Edwards, Tatum, Wemby).
Click to expand...
Giannis
Booker (although if they traded Luka for Booker I legit would cancel my tickets immediately that would be so gross and vomit-inducing)
Curry + Kuminga

Just spitballing

The answer is basically nobody.
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I agree with you in regard to Giannis. If Dallas wanted to net at least the best individual player they could for Luka (outside of the top 5 untouchables)—for me—the only other alternative may have been Gianniis—but I don’t know if Milwaukee has any current ancillary piece as good as Max Christie (who I think is a nice solid young player). Also, Davis has shown that he can be a championship caliber player alongside a ball dominant player (Lebron)—whereas the Giannis/Dame situation hasn’t worked out as well. No way I’d even consider Curry and Kuminga for Luka. Curry has clearly dropped off this season. I also don’t see how they would even consider Booker. Luka is basically a far more skilled version of Booker. I also think that Mavs fans would consider burning down the arena if they traded Luka away for Booker. I’m with you, in regard to a feasible individual talent—there really wasn’t much out there that’s arguably better than Davis.
 
Instinctive said:
it IS possible we're about to get news that's like "Luka's knee has no cartilage and we have to amputate part of his calf, he's out the rest of the year and may never be the same."

And even then it still might be a dumb trade.
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Wouldn't he have to pass a physical to the Lakers' satisfaction for the trade to be finalized?
 
Instinctive said:
it IS possible we're about to get news that's like "Luka's knee has no cartilage and we have to amputate part of his calf, he's out the rest of the year and may never be the same."

And even then it still might be a dumb trade.
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maybe he enjoyed the same type of massages that Tucker and Watson liked..........
 
Instinctive said:
Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.
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Nobody would blame a fan for leaving a team after something like this. I remember how I felt after the whole 98 Marlins thing, and they at least had a championship out of it.

You're right though, that starting 5 is a very strong one.
 
NewlyRetired said:
Instinctive said:
it IS possible we're about to get news that's like "Luka's knee has no cartilage and we have to amputate part of his calf, he's out the rest of the year and may never be the same."

And even then it still might be a dumb trade.
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maybe he enjoyed the same type of massages that Tucker and Watson liked..........
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Even then, Watson fetched at least 3 firsts. And he was never close to the relative talent Luka is.
 
When they get the new guys integrated, the Mavs D is going to be very tough.

I think Davis and Irving could work well together on offense. They're a good complimentary fit.
 
Gr00vus said:
When they get the new guys integrated, the Mavs D is going to be very tough.

I think Davis and Irving could work well together on offense. They're a good complimentary fit.
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Yea, if the Mavs were already a top D team, this makes them even better.

And if they were 4 on O with Luka and 19 without him still, I think AD will take that from 19 to 9-12 with potentially the best D.

Assume they have another move or 2 coming and that’s why AD declined the trade kicker of $9.5mm.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
There has to be a reason they didn't shop him around to get a better return, and I'm not quite prepared to accept "they're very stupid and don't know what they are doing" as an explanation. I wonder how many NBA teams were truly realistic landing spots for Luka that would have given up more than what Dallas got in this deal. Its an odd situation for the acquiring team because they are being asked to give up substantial assets and take on a big contract on the hope the player will be happy playing there and will want to extend with them this summer. Otherwise he's a very expensive short term rental and you could get a disgruntled Slovenian moping around your building for a while before losing him for nothing. The big question is why the Mavs made the decision to move on, but once that decision was made they may not have had many options.
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Did they dump enough money to free up space for another big move? If they could get Butler that lineup would really be something.

It's still nonsensical to go for it all at such high a cost in that conference.
 
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year, what player could the Mavs have realistically targeted who is better than Davis?
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coopersdad said:
Capella said:
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year,
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I’m sorry there’s no way that’s the goal if you are trading a top-4 player lol. Not even remotely conceivable.
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Nico at the presser paraphrase..........we have a timeline and AD matches our timeline the next 3-4 years.

Couldn't actually believe that he said that out loud.
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Yea and then somebody followed up with what about 8-10 years from now and he said oh yea we’ll all be gone lmfao
 
dickey moe said:
Instinctive said:
it IS possible we're about to get news that's like "Luka's knee has no cartilage and we have to amputate part of his calf, he's out the rest of the year and may never be the same."

And even then it still might be a dumb trade.
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Wouldn't he have to pass a physical to the Lakers' satisfaction for the trade to be finalized?
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You can waive that. Both are injured right now so to complete it the physicals kinda have to be semi waived.
 
jvdesigns2002 said:
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Instinctive said:
jvdesigns2002 said:
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year, what player could the Mavs have realistically targeted who is better than Davis?
Click to expand...
I think both the Lakers and Mavs made the trade knowing that the trade is going t hurt both teams chances for success this season. You don’t just trade way franchise players that your team’s fundamentals and schemes are built upon mid-season and expect to seamlessly integrate a completely different player with different talents with no short term drop off. I do however kinda see where you might be going with this. Perhaps your question is more to the effect of—if the goal of the Mavs was to get at least one elite player +some ancillary pieces in return for Luka—what feasible players are there out there that are better than Davis? By feasible—let’s take the top five untouchables out (Shai, Jokic, Edwards, Tatum, Wemby).
Click to expand...
Giannis
Booker (although if they traded Luka for Booker I legit would cancel my tickets immediately that would be so gross and vomit-inducing)
Curry + Kuminga

Just spitballing

The answer is basically nobody.
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I agree with you in regard to Giannis. If Dallas wanted to net at least the best individual player they could for Luka (outside of the top 5 untouchables)—for me—the only other alternative may have been Gianniis—but I don’t know if Milwaukee has any current ancillary piece as good as Max Christie (who I think is a nice solid young player). Also, Davis has shown that he can be a championship caliber player alongside a ball dominant player (Lebron)—whereas the Giannis/Dame situation hasn’t worked out as well. No way I’d even consider Curry and Kuminga for Luka. Curry has clearly dropped off this season. I also don’t see how they would even consider Booker. Luka is basically a far more skilled version of Booker. I also think that Mavs fans would consider burning down the arena if they traded Luka away for Booker. I’m with you, in regard to a feasible individual talent—there really wasn’t much out there that’s arguably better than Davis.
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The Bucks wouldn't give this a moment's thought.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
jvdesigns2002 said:
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Instinctive said:
jvdesigns2002 said:
Juxtatarot said:
With the goal of winning the championship this year, what player could the Mavs have realistically targeted who is better than Davis?
Click to expand...
I think both the Lakers and Mavs made the trade knowing that the trade is going t hurt both teams chances for success this season. You don’t just trade way franchise players that your team’s fundamentals and schemes are built upon mid-season and expect to seamlessly integrate a completely different player with different talents with no short term drop off. I do however kinda see where you might be going with this. Perhaps your question is more to the effect of—if the goal of the Mavs was to get at least one elite player +some ancillary pieces in return for Luka—what feasible players are there out there that are better than Davis? By feasible—let’s take the top five untouchables out (Shai, Jokic, Edwards, Tatum, Wemby).
Click to expand...
Giannis
Booker (although if they traded Luka for Booker I legit would cancel my tickets immediately that would be so gross and vomit-inducing)
Curry + Kuminga

Just spitballing

The answer is basically nobody.
Click to expand...
I agree with you in regard to Giannis. If Dallas wanted to net at least the best individual player they could for Luka (outside of the top 5 untouchables)—for me—the only other alternative may have been Gianniis—but I don’t know if Milwaukee has any current ancillary piece as good as Max Christie (who I think is a nice solid young player). Also, Davis has shown that he can be a championship caliber player alongside a ball dominant player (Lebron)—whereas the Giannis/Dame situation hasn’t worked out as well. No way I’d even consider Curry and Kuminga for Luka. Curry has clearly dropped off this season. I also don’t see how they would even consider Booker. Luka is basically a far more skilled version of Booker. I also think that Mavs fans would consider burning down the arena if they traded Luka away for Booker. I’m with you, in regard to a feasible individual talent—there really wasn’t much out there that’s arguably better than Davis.
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The Bucks wouldn't give this a moment's thought.
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Well that's only because they aren't incredibly stupid.
 
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