2024-25 NBA Thread: OKC - Memphis series moved to Quibi (25 Viewers)

[DJackson10]

The other thing with Giddey is the Thunder were looking to move him since he will be a free agent (restricted) after this year and they didn’t want to have to overpay him. Are the Bulls going to feel the need to pay him more next year given that they gave up a solid asset for him?

I can’t imagine the Bulls making this trade without viewing Giddey as a long-term piece. Otherwise, they would have traded AC elsewhere.

From what I’ve read it sounds like he might be a long term piece

 

[Juxtatarot]

And I don't know what Chicago is doing.

I think they think Giddey will be an excellent player if given the opportunity. If DeRozan doesn’t come back, he might get that ball dominant role. I’m interested in how he’ll do in Paris.

 

[msudaisy26]

Giddey can't shoot and doesn't play defense. I will be surprised if he is in the league in 3 years. Without massive work on his game.

 

[Jayrod]

Are you ****ing kidding me with this trade?

Bulls go 50 years without making a trade and THIS is the one they do?

Do we know what draft capital was included yet (I’m hoping there is some)?

Bulls go 50 years without making a trade and THIS is the one they do?

Do we know what draft capital was included yet (I’m hoping there is some)?

Just saw no picks. Guessing Bulls didn’t think they’d re-sign Caruso and wanted anything they could get for him. They could have gotten more.

I'd think so too. Caruso has a lot of value to contenders.

How do teams do this stuff. Seriously.

I guess no one outright saying it, but implications are that OKC (team that was the 1 seed in the West) just got drastically better, ergo a championship contender.

 

[Jayrod]

'Hi I was wrong about everything I said about a player, but he's just not very good'

Said one person

Time will tell, but my point is that Caruso is not worth Giddey + 1st rounder nor is he the guy to get OKC to a championship like many in here have implied.

I can both be wrong about my details AND correct in my intended point.

Not sure why you are including 1st rounder in there, as the deal was only for giddey. I don’t know that anyone is thinking that Caruso gives them a championship. I would concede that while he is a valuable player for okc to get, he’s not exactly what the totally NEED and I do think that Caruso’s value contract has created a little bit of a halo effect on his ability (aka the Jae crowder effect), but he is a guy who can clearly start and close games in the playoffs. Okc got him for a guy with several glaring weaknesses that really hurt them in the playoffs and is about to have to get a big raise (or be let go). To get Caruso by giving up someone you didn’t care about and probably wanted to move anyway seems like a great move.

Another poster said they should have gotten a 1st round pick with it.

 

[Jayrod]

But seriously, how did the Bulls not grab an additional first from OKC. My god

 

[jvdesigns2002]

As a fan of a team who is going to be competing with OKC in the Western Conference this trade blows, and I'll try to explain in case anyone in here doesn't understand, which doesn't seem possible with the great minds who regularly post in here.

OKC's offense is predicated on having shooters all over floor. Giddey obviously doesn't fit that mold, which is good for other WC teams who may play them in the playoffs, because you can sag off him with your rim protector (Gobert) or hide a weaker defender on him (Luka) and he probably won't hurt you - at least not consistenly. Caruso is a better shooter than Giddey - this should be fairly self-evident - so it becomes much harder to defend them. OKC now has a top 8 that all shoot over 35.7% from 3, and the two worst shooters are SGA and Chet whom you can't exactly ignore. They are going to be even more difficult to defend in the playoffs next year.

And that doesn't even touch on the defensive upgrade. That spot goes from a parking cone to one of the best, if not the best, perimeter defenders in the league. This is a huge upgrade for them, and I'm stunned that anyone doesn't see it. And they made that upgrade by getting rid of a guy who didn't fit their team philosphy, with off the court questions, who is up for a big raise in a year. Just a fantastic trade and stupefying that Chicago didn't get more for him considering their were rumors of multiple firsts possibly in play from other teams. Not getting, at a minimum, two second round picks from a team who has like, a million, is criminal.

OKC maybe takes a little ding in terms of secondary play-making, but Chet, Cason Wallace, and Jalen Williams will all be a year older and better. Plus they have the #12 pick this year.

This sucks.

And I don't know what Chicago is doing.

I pretty much agree with all of this. One thing that I will add is that I personally feel like the players involved in this trade are good examples of how stats don’t tell a complete story about a player. There are players whose actual contributions to their team exceed their stats, and there are players where their actual impact on the court or game underperforms their stats. I find that Caruso is a guy whose impact on the court is greater than what his stats show, and I find that Giddey’s stats look better than his actual contribution to his team. Giddey could put up nice stats in Chicago, but my guess is that those stats will be hollow. Caruso might not put up great stats for the Thunder—but I think he’ll make them a better and more dangerous team.

 

[Frostillicus]

The other thing with Giddey is the Thunder were looking to move him since he will be a free agent (restricted) after this year and they didn’t want to have to overpay him. Are the Bulls going to feel the need to pay him more next year given that they gave up a solid asset for him?

I can’t imagine the Bulls making this trade without viewing Giddey as a long-term piece. Otherwise, they would have traded AC elsewhere.

From what I’ve read it sounds like he might be a long term piece

That may be, but I don't like Giddey/White together at all.

And by the way, I do actually like Giddey's potential. I'm not the Giddey hater I probably sound like,

 

[Jayrod]

As a fan of a team who is going to be competing with OKC in the Western Conference this trade blows, and I'll try to explain in case anyone in here doesn't understand, which doesn't seem possible with the great minds who regularly post in here.

OKC's offense is predicated on having shooters all over floor. Giddey obviously doesn't fit that mold, which is good for other WC teams who may play them in the playoffs, because you can sag off him with your rim protector (Gobert) or hide a weaker defender on him (Luka) and he probably won't hurt you - at least not consistenly. Caruso is a better shooter than Giddey - this should be fairly self-evident - so it becomes much harder to defend them. OKC now has a top 8 that all shoot over 35.7% from 3, and the two worst shooters are SGA and Chet whom you can't exactly ignore. They are going to be even more difficult to defend in the playoffs next year.

And that doesn't even touch on the defensive upgrade. That spot goes from a parking cone to one of the best, if not the best, perimeter defenders in the league. This is a huge upgrade for them, and I'm stunned that anyone doesn't see it. And they made that upgrade by getting rid of a guy who didn't fit their team philosphy, with off the court questions, who is up for a big raise in a year. Just a fantastic trade and stupefying that Chicago didn't get more for him considering their were rumors of multiple firsts possibly in play from other teams. Not getting, at a minimum, two second round picks from a team who has like, a million, is criminal.

OKC maybe takes a little ding in terms of secondary play-making, but Chet, Cason Wallace, and Jalen Williams will all be a year older and better. Plus they have the #12 pick this year.

This sucks.

And I don't know what Chicago is doing.

I pretty much agree with all of this. One thing that I will add is that I personally feel like the players involved in this trade are good examples of how stats don’t tell a complete story about a player. There are players whose actual contributions to their team exceed their stats, and there are players where their actual impact on the court or game underperforms their stats. I find that Caruso is a guy whose impact on the court is greater than what his stats show, and I find that Giddey’s stats look better than his actual contribution to his team. Giddey could put up nice stats in Chicago, but my guess is that those stats will be hollow. Caruso might not put up great stats for the Thunder—but I think he’ll make them a better and more dangerous team.

That's what advanced stats are for, which bears out what you are saying.

Caruso vs Giddey last season:
Net rating: +6 vs -1
VORP: 2.3 vs 1.8
BPM: 2.5 vs 1.5
WS: 4.9 vs 4.3
WS/48: .115 vs .102
PER: 14.5 vs 16.6

Basically Caruso is better in each of these but PER, which is really more of an offensive stat.

 

[identikit]

Are you ****ing kidding me with this trade?

Bulls go 50 years without making a trade and THIS is the one they do?

Do we know what draft capital was included yet (I’m hoping there is some)?

Bulls go 50 years without making a trade and THIS is the one they do?

Do we know what draft capital was included yet (I’m hoping there is some)?

Just saw no picks. Guessing Bulls didn’t think they’d re-sign Caruso and wanted anything they could get for him. They could have gotten more.

I'd think so too. Caruso has a lot of value to contenders.

How do teams do this stuff. Seriously.

I guess no one outright saying it, but implications are that OKC (team that was the 1 seed in the West) just got drastically better, ergo a championship contender.

OKC was already a championship contender.

And got a good amount better with this steal of a trade

 

[thecatch]

I’m not sure why everyone thought Klay would have a robust free agent market, but apparently he doesn’t, much to his surprise. Link

 

[Frostillicus]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

 

[mr. furley]

welp

 

[the moops]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

 

[Instinctive]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

 

[Desert_Power]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

More firsts to send the Hornets?

 

[the moops]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

 

[msudaisy26]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

They like players and coaches that abuse women on their team.

 

[Instinctive]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

Yes. He's a perfect fit - 35% from 3, 20 ppg scorer, secondary playmaker potential, all the defensive tools.

Maybe you even get a discount on his contract for his past. Having done bad things only matters if he does them again, doesn't affect the score of any games going forward otherwise.

 

[msudaisy26]

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

Yes. He's a perfect fit - 35% from 3, 20 ppg scorer, secondary playmaker potential, all the defensive tools.

Maybe you even get a discount on his contract for his past. Having done bad things only matters if he does them again, doesn't affect the score of any games going forward otherwise.

He has already done it twice. This link has a decent timeline of his incidents.

Miles Bridges domestic violence case timeline: Charges, sentencing, suspension information for Hornets forward

A look at the sequence of events that led to Bridges' current situation

www.cbssports.com

There are some things more important than the score of the game going forward. This guy should never be allowed to play in the NBA again.

 

[the moops]

The league average 3pt shooting is 36.6

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

Yes. He's a perfect fit - 35% from 3, 20 ppg scorer, secondary playmaker potential, all the defensive tools.

Maybe you even get a discount on his contract for his past. Having done bad things only matters if he does them again, doesn't affect the score of any games going forward otherwise.

He has already done it twice. This link has a decent timeline of his incidents.

Miles Bridges domestic violence case timeline: Charges, sentencing, suspension information for Hornets forward

A look at the sequence of events that led to Bridges' current situation

www.cbssports.com

There are some things more important than the score of the game going forward. This guy should never be allowed to play in the NBA again.

I couldn’t imagine wanting my team to sign such a lousy human being. That guy should have been banned from the NBA. He’s also only kinda good. He’s a slight upgrade over Hardaway Jr but hardly a guy one should dream about

 

[SWC]

maybe the bucks can trade for more offensive firepower and lose every game 201 to 200 take that to the bank brohans

 

[identikit]

The league average 3pt shooting is 36.6

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

Yes. He's a perfect fit - 35% from 3, 20 ppg scorer, secondary playmaker potential, all the defensive tools.

Maybe you even get a discount on his contract for his past. Having done bad things only matters if he does them again, doesn't affect the score of any games going forward otherwise.

He has already done it twice. This link has a decent timeline of his incidents.

Miles Bridges domestic violence case timeline: Charges, sentencing, suspension information for Hornets forward

A look at the sequence of events that led to Bridges' current situation

www.cbssports.com

There are some things more important than the score of the game going forward. This guy should never be allowed to play in the NBA again.

I couldn’t imagine wanting my team to sign such a lousy human being. That guy should have been banned from the NBA. He’s also only kinda good. He’s a slight upgrade over Hardaway Jr but hardly a guy one should dream about

What if he was really, really good?

Like 3rd team All-NBA goodish....

 

[msudaisy26]

The league average 3pt shooting is 36.6

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

Yes. He's a perfect fit - 35% from 3, 20 ppg scorer, secondary playmaker potential, all the defensive tools.

Maybe you even get a discount on his contract for his past. Having done bad things only matters if he does them again, doesn't affect the score of any games going forward otherwise.

He has already done it twice. This link has a decent timeline of his incidents.

Miles Bridges domestic violence case timeline: Charges, sentencing, suspension information for Hornets forward

A look at the sequence of events that led to Bridges' current situation

www.cbssports.com

There are some things more important than the score of the game going forward. This guy should never be allowed to play in the NBA again.

I couldn’t imagine wanting my team to sign such a lousy human being. That guy should have been banned from the NBA. He’s also only kinda good. He’s a slight upgrade over Hardaway Jr but hardly a guy one should dream about

What if he was really, really good?

Like 3rd team All-NBA goodish....

You could tell me we could sign him and hire Jason Kidd as the next Piston coach and it would lead to a title next year and I would root against the Pistons and be upset they made those moves.

 

[identikit]

The league average 3pt shooting is 36.6

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

Yes. He's a perfect fit - 35% from 3, 20 ppg scorer, secondary playmaker potential, all the defensive tools.

Maybe you even get a discount on his contract for his past. Having done bad things only matters if he does them again, doesn't affect the score of any games going forward otherwise.

He has already done it twice. This link has a decent timeline of his incidents.

Miles Bridges domestic violence case timeline: Charges, sentencing, suspension information for Hornets forward

A look at the sequence of events that led to Bridges' current situation

www.cbssports.com

There are some things more important than the score of the game going forward. This guy should never be allowed to play in the NBA again.

I couldn’t imagine wanting my team to sign such a lousy human being. That guy should have been banned from the NBA. He’s also only kinda good. He’s a slight upgrade over Hardaway Jr but hardly a guy one should dream about

What if he was really, really good?

Like 3rd team All-NBA goodish....

You could tell me we could sign him and hire Jason Kidd as the next Piston coach and it would lead to a title next year and I would root against the Pistons and be upset they made those moves.

I'm thinking we'd all still watch

 

[msudaisy26]

The league average 3pt shooting is 36.6

Mavs looking to trade Tim Hardaway Jr for a rotation piece. Related, I'm looking for a blowjob from Christy Turlington.

They do have 2 or 3 picks they can attach and would most assuredly have to if they expect an upgrade.

Miles Bridges sign and trade somehow would be the dream

Dream?

Yes. He's a perfect fit - 35% from 3, 20 ppg scorer, secondary playmaker potential, all the defensive tools.

Maybe you even get a discount on his contract for his past. Having done bad things only matters if he does them again, doesn't affect the score of any games going forward otherwise.

He has already done it twice. This link has a decent timeline of his incidents.

Miles Bridges domestic violence case timeline: Charges, sentencing, suspension information for Hornets forward

A look at the sequence of events that led to Bridges' current situation

www.cbssports.com

There are some things more important than the score of the game going forward. This guy should never be allowed to play in the NBA again.

I couldn’t imagine wanting my team to sign such a lousy human being. That guy should have been banned from the NBA. He’s also only kinda good. He’s a slight upgrade over Hardaway Jr but hardly a guy one should dream about

What if he was really, really good?

Like 3rd team All-NBA goodish....

You could tell me we could sign him and hire Jason Kidd as the next Piston coach and it would lead to a title next year and I would root against the Pistons and be upset they made those moves.

I'm thinking we'd all still watch

Probably, but I am not in control of what teams do, but I would root against Bridges no matter what team he signs with, even the Pistons.

 

[identikit]

In my longish lifetime, I've watched so many horrible people in so many events (sports, movies, TV)

People known at the time to be horrible, and others whose horribleness became known later

And some, I'll bet, who managed to keep their true colors concealed and will likely never be known by me

I know, for me, it's not very easy to stand on principle and (at least indirectly) not support such people

 

[msudaisy26]

In my longish lifetime, I've watched so many horrible people in so many events (sports, movies, TV)

People known at the time to be horrible, and others whose horribleness became known later

And some, I'll bet, who managed to keep their true colors concealed and will likely never be known by me

I know, for me, it's not very easy to stand on principle and (at least indirectly) not support such people

There are varying degrees just like the crimes committed. Bridges and Kidd cross that line for me.

 

[Instinctive]

In my longish lifetime, I've watched so many horrible people in so many events (sports, movies, TV)

People known at the time to be horrible, and others whose horribleness became known later

And some, I'll bet, who managed to keep their true colors concealed and will likely never be known by me

I know, for me, it's not very easy to stand on principle and (at least indirectly) not support such people

I'm probably, admittedly, to the far end of the curve on this.

I don't really care about you as a person when you're part of my entertainment product. Tyreek Hill, Deshaun Watson, Jason Kidd, Miles Bridges, Adrian Peterson, Kevin Spacey, Tom Cruise, Danny McBride, Karl Malone, Scottie Scheffler's cop's pants...the lists could probably go on forever. I'm watching for your talents, be that acting, speaking, dribbling, shooting, running, etc.

These people should be prosecuted for wrongdoing. They should serve whatever penalty comes of it. And then it's not really my business. Now - if I think that your personal life is going to bleed in or cause problems for the product and I'm the decision-maker, that's a consideration. For example, I was very worried about the Kyrie Irving trade because he kind of seemed like a lunatic. The fact that he's been, by every observation and comment, a remarkable strong leader and positive presence, is only evidence that people can change and maybe you really shouldn't assume a prior bad act could never be learned from.

Lots of respect for those who feel differently AND back it up. But you can't pick and choose. You almost have to assume you don't watch or root for any NFL football at all, from the sheer volume of domestic violence incidents alone, much less other crimes or just ugly things that never proved to be crimes.

Can't stand the virtue signaling though. Think about a city like Detroit - Ben Wallace has been arrested for DUI, Rasheed Wallace was arrested multiple times during his playing career including when he threatened a grocery cashier with a knife over an expired coupon, Isaiah Stewart was arrested THIS YEAR for assault...maybe a bad example because none of us watch them anyway because they suck, but how many of the principled Detroit fans in here aren't watching them and didn't enjoy their prior titles? How many Kobe fans do we have in here who just conveniently sweep that under the rug?

Are we not watching Memphis ever again because Ja Morant is an unlicensed gun carrying, 14-year-old-face-beating lunatic?

 

[identikit]

Lots of respect for those who feel differently AND back it up. But you can't pick and choose. You almost have to assume you don't watch or root for any NFL football at all, from the sheer volume of domestic violence incidents alone, much less other crimes or just ugly things that never proved to be crimes.

This

 

[massraider]

But you can't pick and choose.

Who made this rule?

 

[nysfl2]

In my longish lifetime, I've watched so many horrible people in so many events (sports, movies, TV)

People known at the time to be horrible, and others whose horribleness became known later

And some, I'll bet, who managed to keep their true colors concealed and will likely never be known by me

I know, for me, it's not very easy to stand on principle and (at least indirectly) not support such people

I'm probably, admittedly, to the far end of the curve on this.

I don't really care about you as a person when you're part of my entertainment product. Tyreek Hill, Deshaun Watson, Jason Kidd, Miles Bridges, Adrian Peterson, Kevin Spacey, Tom Cruise, Danny McBride, Karl Malone, Scottie Scheffler's cop's pants...the lists could probably go on forever. I'm watching for your talents, be that acting, speaking, dribbling, shooting, running, etc.

These people should be prosecuted for wrongdoing. They should serve whatever penalty comes of it. And then it's not really my business. Now - if I think that your personal life is going to bleed in or cause problems for the product and I'm the decision-maker, that's a consideration. For example, I was very worried about the Kyrie Irving trade because he kind of seemed like a lunatic. The fact that he's been, by every observation and comment, a remarkable strong leader and positive presence, is only evidence that people can change and maybe you really shouldn't assume a prior bad act could never be learned from.

Lots of respect for those who feel differently AND back it up. But you can't pick and choose. You almost have to assume you don't watch or root for any NFL football at all, from the sheer volume of domestic violence incidents alone, much less other crimes or just ugly things that never proved to be crimes.

Can't stand the virtue signaling though. Think about a city like Detroit - Ben Wallace has been arrested for DUI, Rasheed Wallace was arrested multiple times during his playing career including when he threatened a grocery cashier with a knife over an expired coupon, Isaiah Stewart was arrested THIS YEAR for assault...maybe a bad example because none of us watch them anyway because they suck, but how many of the principled Detroit fans in here aren't watching them and didn't enjoy their prior titles? How many Kobe fans do we have in here who just conveniently sweep that under the rug?

Are we not watching Memphis ever again because Ja Morant is an unlicensed gun carrying, 14-year-old-face-beating lunatic?

I'm fine with drawing the line at beating up women and children.

Certainly, I don't know everyone's history, but if I do know that someone has done that, I'd prefer to have them on the teams that I root for. And I'll root hard against teams like the Steelers who go out and recruit them.

 

[msudaisy26]

In my longish lifetime, I've watched so many horrible people in so many events (sports, movies, TV)

People known at the time to be horrible, and others whose horribleness became known later

And some, I'll bet, who managed to keep their true colors concealed and will likely never be known by me

I know, for me, it's not very easy to stand on principle and (at least indirectly) not support such people

I'm probably, admittedly, to the far end of the curve on this.

I don't really care about you as a person when you're part of my entertainment product. Tyreek Hill, Deshaun Watson, Jason Kidd, Miles Bridges, Adrian Peterson, Kevin Spacey, Tom Cruise, Danny McBride, Karl Malone, Scottie Scheffler's cop's pants...the lists could probably go on forever. I'm watching for your talents, be that acting, speaking, dribbling, shooting, running, etc.

These people should be prosecuted for wrongdoing. They should serve whatever penalty comes of it. And then it's not really my business. Now - if I think that your personal life is going to bleed in or cause problems for the product and I'm the decision-maker, that's a consideration. For example, I was very worried about the Kyrie Irving trade because he kind of seemed like a lunatic. The fact that he's been, by every observation and comment, a remarkable strong leader and positive presence, is only evidence that people can change and maybe you really shouldn't assume a prior bad act could never be learned from.

Lots of respect for those who feel differently AND back it up. But you can't pick and choose. You almost have to assume you don't watch or root for any NFL football at all, from the sheer volume of domestic violence incidents alone, much less other crimes or just ugly things that never proved to be crimes.

Can't stand the virtue signaling though. Think about a city like Detroit - Ben Wallace has been arrested for DUI, Rasheed Wallace was arrested multiple times during his playing career including when he threatened a grocery cashier with a knife over an expired coupon, Isaiah Stewart was arrested THIS YEAR for assault...maybe a bad example because none of us watch them anyway because they suck, but how many of the principled Detroit fans in here aren't watching them and didn't enjoy their prior titles? How many Kobe fans do we have in here who just conveniently sweep that under the rug?

Are we not watching Memphis ever again because Ja Morant is an unlicensed gun carrying, 14-year-old-face-beating lunatic?

No I am not rooting for Morant anymore, will I watch if the Grizzlies make the playoffs? Yes, but not for him.

Ben Wallace got his DUI in 2011 he was 37 years old. Yes I rooted for him in early 2000's. If only I knew what he would do later.

A lot of Rasheed's criminal past has to do with weed and that doesn't bother me. Plus I was young when I rooted for him. Things change as you get older

I never wanted Stewart on the Pistons and have said it in these threads consistently.

I don't root for the Tyreek Hill's of the world.

 

[identikit]

'not rooting for' ≠ not supporting the product

imo

 

[msudaisy26]

'not rooting for' ≠ not supporting the product

imo

Supporting a product doesn't mean you have to support everyone involved.

 

[identikit]

'not rooting for' ≠ not supporting the product

imo

Supporting a product doesn't mean you have to support everyone involved.

No, just supporting the product that supports all of the members, including all of the bad guys

Not really arguing at all.

It can often be a precarious, unbalanced virtue walk

I struggle with it

 

[Capella]

What did Ben Wallace do?

 

[identikit]

What did Ben Wallace do?

He started a brawl, for one thing

 

[msudaisy26]

'not rooting for' ≠ not supporting the product

imo

Supporting a product doesn't mean you have to support everyone involved.

No, just supporting the product that supports all of the members, including all of the bad guys

Not really arguing at all.

It can often be a precarious, unbalanced virtue walk

I struggle with it

We will have to agree to disagree because there are bad people in every aspect of life. (Education, medicine, construction etc.) You can't boycott all these service or products and live.

I would rather use the the service and products and punish/boycott the bad people that abuse their power or are just bad people.

 

[msudaisy26]

What did Ben Wallace do?

He got a DUI in like 2011. I honestly don't even think he was playing anymore. He was in Udonis Harlem phase of his career.

 

[identikit]

We will have to agree to disagree because there are bad people in every aspect of life. (Education, medicine, construction etc.) You can't boycott all these service or products and live.

I would rather use the the service and products and punish/boycott the bad people that abuse their power or are just bad people.

How?

 

[Yo Mama]

What did Ben Wallace do?

He stole my heart - and a bunch of basketballs from the other teams.

(Hoping he didn’t do anything really bad to ruin my dumb joke).

 

[massraider]

I actively root against athletes, I don't really care if my support is seen as uneven across all offenses to other people--whom I will never meet. What are we doing here, auditioning our fandom for other people? There's no correct way to be fan.

I don't get worked up about DUI. Someone else will, and have valid reasons for that. Domestic abuse is lot different in my opinion, but at the end of it all, that's just my opinion.

 

[msudaisy26]

We will have to agree to disagree because there are bad people in every aspect of life. (Education, medicine, construction etc.) You can't boycott all these service or products and live.

I would rather use the the service and products and punish/boycott the bad people that abuse their power or are just bad people.

How?

So the NBA for example, I am not watching games during the regular season that have these bad guys in it, if the Pistons were playing one of these teams I am not going to go to the game. Am I making a difference, not really, but I can only do what I can do and can't force people to believe what I believe.

I used to average probably 5 to 10 Piston games a year, but because they are bad I haven't gone in like 5 years. If they signed someone like Bridges and got good I still wouldn't go.

 

[msudaisy26]

I actively root against athletes, I don't really care if my support is seen as uneven across all offenses to other people--whom I will never meet. What are we doing here, auditioning our fandom for other people? There's no correct way to be fan.

I don't get worked up about DUI. Someone else will, and have valid reasons for that. Domestic abuse is lot different in my opinion, but at the end of it all, that's just my opinion.

This will sound bad, but a DUI doesn't bother me until it becomes an accident or worse. Kind of like a bar fight wouldn't bother me until someone got seriously hurt.

 

[Instinctive]

What did Ben Wallace do?

He stole my heart - and a bunch of basketballs from the other teams.

(Hoping he didn’t do anything really bad to ruin my dumb joke).

Unlicensed gun possession while driving drunk.

Link

 

[Instinctive]

I actively root against athletes, I don't really care if my support is seen as uneven across all offenses to other people--whom I will never meet. What are we doing here, auditioning our fandom for other people? There's no correct way to be fan.

I don't get worked up about DUI. Someone else will, and have valid reasons for that. Domestic abuse is lot different in my opinion, but at the end of it all, that's just my opinion.

Great point. We're all gonna react differently to different things. DUI is among the most selfish and dangerous thing one can do, but my opinion on it is surely informed by the loss of a close family member and the maiming of another, both to drunk drivers, in separate incidents. Henry Ruggs probably understands that one well too. Whereas my family has never encountered any domestic violence, and when it came up in clinic, there was basically always a far more complicated story.

Different things are gonna cause different reactions in everyone.

 

[thecatch]

Miles Bridges doesn’t present a complicated moral line drawing problem. If he’s not over the line you don’t really have one.

 

[scoobus]

I don't root for Tyreek Hill.

Unless he's on my fantasy team in which case hell ****ing yeah love that guy.

 

[mr. furley]

some George Mikan highlights

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