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[sheerterror]

What are y'all's thoughts on giving up the 4th pick for JJ McCarthy? Saw Dane Bruegler say he'd have McCarthy over Cam Ward and Sanders.

No
Not a first
Maybe a second
Prefer a third

Why would the Vikes do that? It’s not like he’s Josh Rosen.

Why would The Giants offer a first for a player who's never taken a snap in a regular season game and is coming off of a major injury?
Oh wait...it's Joe Schoen

Because any player they draft with that pick will have also never taken a snap in a regular season game? And don't bother with "none of them will be coming off an ACL injury" because I'll counter with "none of them have just gotten a free year of learning from one of the best QB coaching minds in the NFL". JJM is already aeons ahead of Ward and Sanders from a mental preparation perspective as a result of this.

A 21 year old rookie QB coming off a knee injury is not a 30 year old RB blowing out his achilles. This isn't dynasty fantasy football where a guy's values depreciates 50% because he didn't play his first year/got hurt. If you stick JJM in this class, he goes top 3, and probably even before both QBs.

As posted in his other thread

Mel Kiper Jr. Suggests J.J. McCarthy Could Land Vikings 3 NFL Draft Picks in Trade

The Minnesota Vikings could reportedly get three draft picks for rookie quarterback J.J. McCarthy if they decide to deal the signal-caller, per ESPN's Mel…

bleacherreport.com

 

[sheerterror]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

But as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

 

[Rubi]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

 

[sheerterror]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

 

[Rubi]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

A one straight up I could understand

 

[Rubi]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Given The Giants situation at the time Nabers was the obvious choice
Remember, Jones was still considered their man on draft day
Hindsight is 20-20
But if there's a pick Schoen didn't screw up it was Nabers

 

[Qammy]

What are y'all's thoughts on giving up the 4th pick for JJ McCarthy? Saw Dane Bruegler say he'd have McCarthy over Cam Ward and Sanders.

No
Not a first
Maybe a second
Prefer a third

Why would the Vikes do that? It’s not like he’s Josh Rosen.

Why would The Giants offer a first for a player who's never taken a snap in a regular season game and is coming off of a major injury?
Oh wait...it's Joe Schoen

Because any player they draft with that pick will have also never taken a snap in a regular season game? And don't bother with "none of them will be coming off an ACL injury" because I'll counter with "none of them have just gotten a free year of learning from one of the best QB coaching minds in the NFL". JJM is already aeons ahead of Ward and Sanders from a mental preparation perspective as a result of this.

A 21 year old rookie QB coming off a knee injury is not a 30 year old RB blowing out his achilles. This isn't dynasty fantasy football where a guy's values depreciates 50% because he didn't play his first year/got hurt. If you stick JJM in this class, he goes top 3, and probably even before both QBs.

As posted in his other thread

Mel Kiper Jr. Suggests J.J. McCarthy Could Land Vikings 3 NFL Draft Picks in Trade

The Minnesota Vikings could reportedly get three draft picks for rookie quarterback J.J. McCarthy if they decide to deal the signal-caller, per ESPN's Mel…

bleacherreport.com

He was the 10th pick in the 2025 draft.
If he was entering that draft coming off a torn ACL he probably would have dropped to at least the middle, maybe end of the first rd and you lose a year of 5 year 1st rd rookie pay
Under those circumstances ... How has his value has gone up ????
I'd give up 2 x 2nd round picks for him and no more

 

[sheerterror]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

 

[Snotbubbles]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Given The Giants situation at the time Nabers was the obvious choice
Remember, Jones was still considered their man on draft day
Hindsight is 20-20
But if there's a pick Schoen didn't screw up it was Nabers

No he wasn't. Hard Knocks clearly showed they were trying to trade up for Daniels. Nabers is a cart befor the horse pick. You have a cart now, no horses to pull it. Good job. By the time you get the horse, the cart will be too expensive to own.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

 

[sheerterror]

What are y'all's thoughts on giving up the 4th pick for JJ McCarthy? Saw Dane Bruegler say he'd have McCarthy over Cam Ward and Sanders.

No
Not a first
Maybe a second
Prefer a third

Why would the Vikes do that? It’s not like he’s Josh Rosen.

Why would The Giants offer a first for a player who's never taken a snap in a regular season game and is coming off of a major injury?
Oh wait...it's Joe Schoen

Because any player they draft with that pick will have also never taken a snap in a regular season game? And don't bother with "none of them will be coming off an ACL injury" because I'll counter with "none of them have just gotten a free year of learning from one of the best QB coaching minds in the NFL". JJM is already aeons ahead of Ward and Sanders from a mental preparation perspective as a result of this.

A 21 year old rookie QB coming off a knee injury is not a 30 year old RB blowing out his achilles. This isn't dynasty fantasy football where a guy's values depreciates 50% because he didn't play his first year/got hurt. If you stick JJM in this class, he goes top 3, and probably even before both QBs.

As posted in his other thread

Mel Kiper Jr. Suggests J.J. McCarthy Could Land Vikings 3 NFL Draft Picks in Trade

The Minnesota Vikings could reportedly get three draft picks for rookie quarterback J.J. McCarthy if they decide to deal the signal-caller, per ESPN's Mel…

bleacherreport.com

He was the 10th pick in the 2025 draft.
If he was entering that draft coming off a torn ACL he probably would have dropped to at least the middle, maybe end of the first rd and you lose a year of 5 year 1st rd rookie pay
Under those circumstances ... How has his value has gone up ????
I'd give up 2 x 2nd round picks for him and no more

His relative 'value' has gone up from last year because the QB class sucks this year. You've got (as of now) 2 QBs that if they were drafted in 2024 draft, probably would have went behind every single first round QB from last year's class. Pretty obvious example of supply and demand with this year. If he's better than guys that are going to get reached for this year for lack of other options, then it doesn't matter where he happened to be drafted last year.

I don't really understand your point about if he was coming off a torn acl entering that draft. It's apples to oranges. He wasn't. He tore his ACL his rookie year and that year is now gone. He's rehabbed. Whoever would acquire him in this hypothetical scenario isn't burning a year on him in their system on an injury that's already been rehabbed. That you think he's worth 2 2nds is laughable and being confused with dynasty fantasy football.

 

[sheerterror]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

 

[sheerterror]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Given The Giants situation at the time Nabers was the obvious choice
Remember, Jones was still considered their man on draft day
Hindsight is 20-20
But if there's a pick Schoen didn't screw up it was Nabers

No he wasn't. Hard Knocks clearly showed they were trying to trade up for Daniels. Nabers is a cart befor the horse pick. You have a cart now, no horses to pull it. Good job. By the time you get the horse, the cart will be too expensive to own.

I can agree with this for sure. It's usually backwards to grab the skill guys first. That's part of my argument for an NYG trade of McCarthy to try to marry those 2 (or Nabers with a good young QB) as quick as possible to try to maximize on those rookie contract years.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

 

[sheerterror]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

 

[need2know]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

Nabers is really good. Imagine him being on a decent offense with a good qb. He would be amazing

 

[Snotbubbles]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

Nabers is really good. Imagine him being on a decent offense with a good qb. He would be amazing

It's the same *** backwards line of drafting they did when they took Saquon Barkley. By the time you get a decent team around the guy, he's either washed or he's making too much money to retain him. Nabers is a good player, but he wasn't even the top rookie WR this season. When people call him generational, I have to roll my eyes, he's not even close to that.

 

[Yenrub]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

Nabers is really good. Imagine him being on a decent offense with a good qb. He would be amazing

It's the same *** backwards line of drafting they did when they took Saquon Barkley. By the time you get a decent team around the guy, he's either washed or he's making too much money to retain him. Nabers is a good player, but he wasn't even the top rookie WR this season. When people call him generational, I have to roll my eyes, he's not even close to that.

Top rookie WR is debatable

 

[King of the Jungle]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

Nabers is really good. Imagine him being on a decent offense with a good qb. He would be amazing

It's the same *** backwards line of drafting they did when they took Saquon Barkley. By the time you get a decent team around the guy, he's either washed or he's making too much money to retain him. Nabers is a good player, but he wasn't even the top rookie WR this season. When people call him generational, I have to roll my eyes, he's not even close to that.

I do not see many calling him generational, but pretty darn good season missing a few games and catching passes from NFL backup caliber talents.

 

[sheerterror]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

Nabers is really good. Imagine him being on a decent offense with a good qb. He would be amazing

It's the same *** backwards line of drafting they did when they took Saquon Barkley. By the time you get a decent team around the guy, he's either washed or he's making too much money to retain him. Nabers is a good player, but he wasn't even the top rookie WR this season. When people call him generational, I have to roll my eyes, he's not even close to that.

I do not see many calling him generational, but pretty darn good season missing a few games and catching passes from NFL backup caliber talents.

Yea I mean I probably over spoke saying generational in the first post I made about it, but he's got as high of a ceiling as almost anyone in the league right now. I also walked that back in my next comment but this guy keeps harping on the same word instead of comprehending the context of my posts.

My comments were never to justify the Giants taking a WR where they did last year, but as I already stated - you could certainly have done much much worse at the top of the draft, especially if you're NYG who have struggled picking there of late.

 

[tribe]

It really comes down to, if you pass on a qb in round 1, what is your plan? You can’t just hope someone you like is there in round 2. There are a ton of teams who want a rookie qb, including the Vikings who are stock piling picks to make a move up to go get one of these guys. So you are basically saying you are ok with passing on a rookie QB this year and figuring it out next year.

Except at that point you won’t have Jones on the roster, and Lock is only signed for a year so he is probably gone to. So you are now drafting a QB and looking to sign one to mentor him. Which you already have in place right now.

And who knows if you like anyone next year. This is a historically deep QB class. Next year may be 2013 all over again…want to roll your luck with Geno Smith or Matt Barkley? Oh, and they may not have the draft capital to make a move to get someone next year. Or they may suck so bad with Jones and Lock that DaBoll is fired and not there to even make the pick.

All that said, if you are in position to take a guy you like go do it. Who cares if he is the first or fourth QB taken? The fourth this year may still be better than the 1st QB next year.

This was my position before the draft last year and it's exactly where we wound up. If some chucklehead on a fantasy football message board could see this disaster coming a year away, how the hell can ownership look at our current leadership and say "yeah, I'm good with this". These guys have no vision, no foresight beyond what is right in front of them.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I know it's late in the season but, I just want to express my appreciation for the fact that the Giants front office ultimately decided to let Saquon Barkley test the free-agent market. Thank-you

 

[The Big Donkey]

https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1878890893975134535?mx=2

The #Giants are allowing executive advisor to the GM Ryan Cowden out of his current deal and he is expected to join the #Patriots’ front office under Eliot Wolf, sources tell me and
@RapSheet. Nothing finalized but the former #Titans exec will soon reunite with Mike Vrabel.

 

[Rubi]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

Nabers is really good. Imagine him being on a decent offense with a good qb. He would be amazing

It's the same *** backwards line of drafting they did when they took Saquon Barkley. By the time you get a decent team around the guy, he's either washed or he's making too much money to retain him. Nabers is a good player, but he wasn't even the top rookie WR this season. When people call him generational, I have to roll my eyes, he's not even close to that.

Top rookie WR is debatable

Malik had Daniel Jones,Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock as his quarterbacks
He was the top rookie WR

 

[Snotbubbles]

Spineless owner hires clueless GM who brings deer in the headlights coach with him
Another year of Schoen's analytics letting All-Pro caliber players walk because of their "regression" number
Another year of players playing for a coaching staff they have no faith in
Another year of "regression" for the franchise
Instead of starting a rebuild we get another year of the same crap we went through this year
How far back will that set the franchise?
Thanks John,Wellington would be sleepless,apparantley you aren't

I empathize with this as both a Jet and a Ranger fan.

And as I just mentioned in my previous response to you, if I were a Giants fan, I'd be dying to trade for JJM. You can instantly 'rebuild' that franchise IMO with him and Daboll and a lot of this goes away. I think Mara is always going to wonder "what if" about Daboll/Schoen if he doesn't let them draft/acquire their own QB.

But three draft picks?
Yea this team needs a qb but they have needs pretty much everywhere else
That's a lot of draft capital for an unproven player and I'll give you he grades higher than Sanders or Ward. Neither of whom I would draft that early.
If The Vikings let him go and they get three picks for him,kudos to them
If I'm Schoen I bolster the O line with the first pick then look for a qb like Kyle McCord later and keep that draft capital to help in the other areas that need it
But it's Joe Schoen,who's track record is less than stellar

Yea I'm not saying I would give up 3 picks for him, just a data point of what one of the "industry experts" is valuing him at.

But 1.4 for him straight up nets you a guy that many think would go 1.1 if he was in this class right now. I'd much rather him than either of the 2 QBs at this present moment. If I was a Giant fan I'd be rooting like hell for Darnold and the Vikes to go on a run and make the chances of JJ shaking lose slightly more possible. As a Jet fan I certainly am.

If only JJ McCarthy was still available when the Giants picked at 6 last year.

Well they got what looks to be a generational WR instead. If they could flip a 2025 1st for JJ after the fact, I'd say that would end up being a pretty good haul!

Nabers isn't generational.

Whatever dude. Pretty clearly difference making WR1 that is a rare obvious hit for a team that usually misses at the top of the draft.

Maybe you have a different definition of generational. He's not top 5 in NFL WRs, not sure he's even in the top 10.

You're getting way too hung up on semantics. I literally redefined it the post you replied to while simultaneously ignoring. He's also a rookie. He doesn't need to be "top 5 in NFL WRs" 10 months into his pro career for the pick to be pretty clearly deemed a success regardless of other positional needs on the team.

Nabers is really good. Imagine him being on a decent offense with a good qb. He would be amazing

It's the same *** backwards line of drafting they did when they took Saquon Barkley. By the time you get a decent team around the guy, he's either washed or he's making too much money to retain him. Nabers is a good player, but he wasn't even the top rookie WR this season. When people call him generational, I have to roll my eyes, he's not even close to that.

Top rookie WR is debatable

Malik had Daniel Jones,Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock as his quarterbacks
He was the top rookie WR

With those QBs, that makes selecting a WR even more head-scratching.

 

[Yogibear]

If they want to solve their QB conundrum, all they have to do is send a fourth-round pick to Atlanta for Kirk Cousins. That's right. How come no one has talked about Cousins as a potential starting QB for next season? Yeah, I know he's had his problems, and he's on the other side of 30, but the Giants do have the cap space to take on his contract. Why not Kirk Cousins?

 

[Yenrub]

If they want to solve their QB conundrum, all they have to do is send a fourth-round pick to Atlanta for Kirk Cousins. That's right. How come no one has talked about Cousins as a potential starting QB for next season? Yeah, I know he's had his problems, and he's on the other side of 30, but the Giants do have the cap space to take on his contract. Why not Kirk Cousins?

Cousins’ contract is too much for a bridge guy IMO. Plus giving up extra assets to acquire a bridge QB doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Also, Cousins has a no-trade clause in his contract.

 

[IHEARTFF]

If they want to solve their QB conundrum, all they have to do is send a fourth-round pick to Atlanta for Kirk Cousins. That's right. How come no one has talked about Cousins as a potential starting QB for next season? Yeah, I know he's had his problems, and he's on the other side of 30, but the Giants do have the cap space to take on his contract. Why not Kirk Cousins?

Cousins’ contract is too much for a bridge guy IMO. Plus giving up extra assets to acquire a bridge QB doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Also, Cousins has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Also he might be toast

 

[Rubi]

If they want to solve their QB conundrum, all they have to do is send a fourth-round pick to Atlanta for Kirk Cousins. That's right. How come no one has talked about Cousins as a potential starting QB for next season? Yeah, I know he's had his problems, and he's on the other side of 30, but the Giants do have the cap space to take on his contract. Why not Kirk Cousins?

No
The Giants are not a quarterback away from being a contender
Don't waste the money or year on Cousins
He seems like a nice fellow
But I don't want him

 

[King of the Jungle]

If they want to solve their QB conundrum, all they have to do is send a fourth-round pick to Atlanta for Kirk Cousins. That's right. How come no one has talked about Cousins as a potential starting QB for next season? Yeah, I know he's had his problems, and he's on the other side of 30, but the Giants do have the cap space to take on his contract. Why not Kirk Cousins?

You ever try to build a house with wood and Elmers glue?

If they want to solve their QB conundrum, all they have to do is send a fourth-round pick to Atlanta for Kirk Cousins. That's right. How come no one has talked about Cousins as a potential starting QB for next season? Yeah, I know he's had his problems, and he's on the other side of 30, but the Giants do have the cap space to take on his contract. Why not Kirk Cousins?

No
The Giants are not a quarterback away from being a contender
Don't waste the money or year on Cousins
He seems like a nice fellow
But I don't want him

Agree. It is hard to be a middling franchise and rebuild. The last thing you want is to win a few more games with a guy and still be out of contention. Rebuild as best you can without forcing a few more wins that ultimately get you nowhere.

 

[Rubi]

<crickets>

 

[The Frankman]

Is it too late to fire everyone who didn't want to pay Saquon Barkley the extra million and a half it would have taken to keep him a Giant instead of... y'know allowing him to sign with the Iggles and potentially carry them to a Superbowl?

Or at least fire the incompetents who thought it was a good idea to pay Daniel Jones 40 million and set the franchise back half a decade. What? It's too late they brought the GM back already?

*sigh*

 

[Yenrub]

Don't worry guys, the cupboard's not bare offensively

 

[Yenrub]

What do you guys think of all this Mathew Stafford to the Giants talk?

 

[Uncle Leo]

What do you guys think of all this Mathew Stafford to the Giants talk?

He’s 37 Years Old.

 

[RC94]

What do you guys think of all this Mathew Stafford to the Giants talk?

He’s 37 Years Old.

And his spine is being held together with duct tape. He's the perfect fit for a rebuidling team.

 

[Yenrub]

What do you guys think of all this Mathew Stafford to the Giants talk?

He’s 37 Years Old.

And his spine is being held together with duct tape. He's the perfect fit for a rebuidling team.

I thought the idea was crazy when I first heard it (still do) but knowing the pressure the Schoen and Daboll are under to win, I wouldn’t be surprised if they made this move.
Now, I don’t think a 37-year-old who has played in domes his whole career and is injury-prone would even want to come to NY to play in the elements and behind a bad OL.

Speaking of the OL I wonder if the Giants are going to do the right thing and move Ezudu and Neal to guards full-time and try to develop them there.

 

[RC94]

What do you guys think of all this Mathew Stafford to the Giants talk?

He’s 37 Years Old.

And his spine is being held together with duct tape. He's the perfect fit for a rebuidling team.

I thought the idea was crazy when I first heard it (still do) but knowing the pressure the Schoen and Daboll are under to win, I wouldn’t be surprised if they made this move.
Now, I don’t think a 37-year-old who has played in domes his whole career and is injury-prone would even want to come to NY to play in the elements and behind a bad OL.

Speaking of the OL I wonder if the Giants are going to do the right thing and move Ezudu and Neal to guards full-time and try to develop them there.

Agreed about both things. I don't get why they've been so stubborn about moving Neal especially to guard.

While I would think a move to get Stafford, assuming he would even want to come here, would be stupid, I wouldn't be that bothered by it, at least compared to if they draft Sanders. I get the impression that Mara is totally out of touch with his customers/fans. He doesn't seem to understand that Deion is one of the most hated players in NYG history and a lot of fans can't root for him or anyone related to him, especially considering his son hasn't fallen far from the tree attitude-wise, and we already know for a fact that Deion is going to be actively involved no matter what team drafts him. With Daboll on the hot seat, if they draft Sanders I can see them firing Daboll after this year and then hiring Deion. That would totally divide the fan base to the point where he will lose more than he gains, but Mara is stupid enough to do that.

 

[The Frankman]

I don't know who's floating that stuff but Giants aren't a good QB away; they need to rebuild for a couple of years AT LEAST. The O-Line is a work in progress, the D-line underperformed (Thibodeaux and Burns were meh) and the secondary needs help after losing an All-Pro in McKinney. They may not be ready to "seriously" complete until 2027.

The first step is getting the right QB.

 

[Qammy]

Mekhi Becton is a free agent ... I would love for the Giants to sign him and move Neal inside to the other G spot (preferably LG) and have a monster interior Oline

Thomas
Neal 6'7" 350lbs
Schmidts
Becton 6-7, 363 lbs
Eluemunor

I'm sick of these 310 pound Olineman ... do what the eagles did and just crush people

 

[Yenrub]

Mekhi Becton is a free agent ... I would love for the Giants to sign him and move Neal inside to the other G spot (preferably LG) and have a monster interior Oline

Thomas
Neal 6'7" 350lbs
Schmidts
Becton 6-7, 363 lbs
Eluemunor

I'm sick of these 310 pound Olineman ... do what the eagles did and just crush people

The Giants have Runyan under contract for the next two years. He is only 27 but only weighs about 306 lbs.
The other guard spot is up for grabs but they have Ezeudu and Neal that they SHOULD be developing at the other guard spot.
They need to find a dependable swing tackle because Thomas is starting to become injury prone.

 

[Qammy]

Mekhi Becton is a free agent ... I would love for the Giants to sign him and move Neal inside to the other G spot (preferably LG) and have a monster interior Oline

Thomas
Neal 6'7" 350lbs
Schmidts
Becton 6-7, 363 lbs
Eluemunor

I'm sick of these 310 pound Olineman ... do what the eagles did and just crush people

The Giants have Runyan under contract for the next two years. He is only 27 but only weighs about 306 lbs.
The other guard spot is up for grabs but they have Ezeudu and Neal that they SHOULD be developing at the other guard spot.
They need to find a dependable swing tackle because Thomas is starting to become injury prone.

Neal and Becton both have Tackle experience and could cover if necessary
Eluemunor is 337 lbs and could play either tackle or Guard spots
Runyan is small and was unimpressive ... He could be the swing Guard and cross train at Center
Ive seen enough of Ezuedo ... time to move on from him

 

[Yenrub]

Mekhi Becton is a free agent ... I would love for the Giants to sign him and move Neal inside to the other G spot (preferably LG) and have a monster interior Oline

Thomas
Neal 6'7" 350lbs
Schmidts
Becton 6-7, 363 lbs
Eluemunor

I'm sick of these 310 pound Olineman ... do what the eagles did and just crush people

The Giants have Runyan under contract for the next two years. He is only 27 but only weighs about 306 lbs.
The other guard spot is up for grabs but they have Ezeudu and Neal that they SHOULD be developing at the other guard spot.
They need to find a dependable swing tackle because Thomas is starting to become injury prone.

Neal and Becton both have Tackle experience and could cover if necessary
Eluemunor is 337 lbs and could play either tackle or Guard spots
Runyan is small and was unimpressive ... He could be the swing Guard and cross train at Center
Ive seen enough of Ezuedo ... time to move on from him

I have seen enough of Ezuedo at Tackle, but I think he would be good at Guard.

 

[The Frankman]

These Matthew Stafford rumors are killing me

Right now the Giants need to be thinking about trying to hoodwink a team into trading their 1st for multiple/future picks, and they suddenly are interested in a 37 year old QB when they aren't remotely a good QB away from competing. I would HOPE it's agent talk, but I'm beyond trusting the FO to make rational decisions right now.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

These Matthew Stafford rumors are killing me

Right now the Giants need to be thinking about trying to hoodwink a team into trading their 1st for multiple/future picks, and they suddenly are interested in a 37 year old QB when they aren't remotely a good QB away from competing. I would HOPE it's agent talk, but I'm beyond trusting the FO to make rational decisions right now.

At this point of the year, most rumors are agent talk.

But is the Giants FO dumb enough to do this? Yes.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Mekhi Becton is a free agent ... I would love for the Giants to sign him and move Neal inside to the other G spot (preferably LG) and have a monster interior Oline

Thomas
Neal 6'7" 350lbs
Schmidts
Becton 6-7, 363 lbs
Eluemunor

I'm sick of these 310 pound Olineman ... do what the eagles did and just crush people

Don't know if Becton can succeed as a T. I think he was just a perfect fit for Philly because they run so much so it highlighted his strengths. Move him to tackle for a team that passes more and he might not have the same success.

 

[Yenrub]

There sure is a lot of chatter about Stafford being traded. The Giants and the Raiders are the two teams that I have seen the most about as potential trading partners.
I don't think that the Rams are going to trade him, I think they are just letting the league set the market.

 

[Qammy]

There sure is a lot of chatter about Stafford being traded. The Giants and the Raiders are the two teams that I have seen the most about as potential trading partners.
I don't think that the Rams are going to trade him, I think they are just letting the league set the market.

Sounds like the Steelers are most likely to trade for Stafford
I'd prefer to sign Rodgers and some other castoff QB at league min and build a QB proof team like the Eagles ... maybe try to grab Milroe or Dart in the 2nd rd

 

[Payne]

Giant management knows this is a do or die year for them. Doubt they care about the distant future too much.