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2024 New York Football Giants (hello darkness my old friend) (2 Viewers)
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RC94
Footballguy
I don't want Darnold and I don't know why he would want to come back to NYC anyway. As of now, Cam Ward is the only QB I would be interested in in the 1st round. I don't know if this class, including Ward, really has any 1st round worthy QBs, let alone 1.01 or 1.02 pick. I think I prefer they trade down and get as much as possible. In that case, they would keep Devito as the #3 and then I would like to see them trade for Malik Willis and/or Hendon Hooker and see if they can develop them. They shouldn't be that expensive and if neither of them are going to be long term starters, they can go after a QB in 2026 when the QBs should be better. The last thing I want to see them do is go after a 30+ year old like Carr or Cousins if ATL is shopping him. They have to go with a young QB to develop, whether it's from the draft or trading for a young QB like I mentioned, it has to be in line with a team beginning it's rebuild. I don't think the NYG are too far from that bottom point.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Tyler Nubin placed on IR.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Bobby Okereke placed on IR.
Losses need to just keep on coming for a better future.
Schoen needs to go for a better future
And could we get Steve Cohen to buy The Giants?
LFGM
Not to hijack the post but bring back The Polar Bear..then...LFGM
That has to 100% happen. There is no LFGM without Pete.
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
We are picking Tommy Two Toes, the Wanna-Be Juco star from LeftOut University with the first pick? Can’t wait.
If someone not named Joe Schoen is making the pick,The Giants will pick a generational talent and he will lead them to multiple Super Bowls in his career.
If Joe Schoen is making the pick,The Giants will pick the best player at his position,he will be a very good player,then they will let him walk and he will break all records at his position
If Joe Schoen is making the pick,The Giants will pick the best player at his position,he will be a very good player,then they will let him walk and he will break all records at his position
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Amazing with one win these last two games that we potentially could drop to 5th in this dumpster fire season.
One win,that's really funnyCertainly an option. Trade down take Travis. What would your plan then be at quarterback?
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
Cousins.
Stink another year, use Cousins as a bridge to a better QB class. I am worried that if they pick any of this year's crop, it just prolongs the pain. I want NOTHING to do with Sanders and the inevitable sideshow he brings with him.
Take Arch!
I don't think the fan base wants to "stink" another year.
Cousins.
Stink another year, use Cousins as a bridge to a better QB class. I am worried that if they pick any of this year's crop, it just prolongs the pain. I want NOTHING to do with Sanders and the inevitable sideshow he brings with him.
Take Arch!
I think they want to see real change and improvement and at least some optimism.
What has Arch shown so far?
He runs.
He wasn't good enough to supplant Ewers who has pretty much underperformed this year.
If they did go the route you suggest I'd rather see them take a shot with Justin Fields rather than Cousins
If he doesn't work out maybe Arch improves enough to be worthy of a high draft pick,which The Giants will more than likely have next year
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Cousins.
Stink another year, use Cousins as a bridge to a better QB class. I am worried that if they pick any of this year's crop, it just prolongs the pain. I want NOTHING to do with Sanders and the inevitable sideshow he brings with him.
Take Arch!
Problem with that is, with Cousins, you might be drafting around 7-10.
Here's what I would do if my last name was Mara and my first name was John
I'd fire Schoen but keep Dabs
I'd hire an experienced NFL guy as director of football operations
I'd tell him to go get Justin Fields and trade down in the draft to acquire more draft capital,this team has a lot of holes to fill
I'd tell him to draft Travis Hunter
And then go about filling whatever holes he can with the capital left
And be very aggresive in free agency
And if that didn't work I'd sell the team to Steve Cohen
I'd fire Schoen but keep Dabs
I'd hire an experienced NFL guy as director of football operations
I'd tell him to go get Justin Fields and trade down in the draft to acquire more draft capital,this team has a lot of holes to fill
I'd tell him to draft Travis Hunter
And then go about filling whatever holes he can with the capital left
And be very aggresive in free agency
And if that didn't work I'd sell the team to Steve Cohen
You do realize that Travis Hunter will not be available if you trade down.
Then take someone else
The best o-lineman
The best at whatever other position you need help at
Ward and Sanders aren't worth a top pick,imop
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
How far is arguably the best player in this weak QB class going to fall?
Depends on the draft order
First team that is happy with their qb
Pats,Jags
Could only be #2 or #3 or #4
See how it plays out
The Frankman
Footballguy
I think you kick the can down the line and trade the 1st for more picks next year. That's going to attract the new GM for this team.
With no generational QB available you build up the O-Line and coaching staff... by the time you have you QB, you have some semblance of a line.
also I think you try hard to get a Russell Wilson (like I wanted LAST year) or an older bridge QB not named Kirk Cousins.
With no generational QB available you build up the O-Line and coaching staff... by the time you have you QB, you have some semblance of a line.
also I think you try hard to get a Russell Wilson (like I wanted LAST year) or an older bridge QB not named Kirk Cousins.
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What older "bridge" quarterbacks not named Cousins will be available?
Why not a younger "bridge" quarterback who could become permanent like Justin Fields?
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
I was joking about Arch.
I was not joking about not liking either of the two QBs. Definitely NOT joking about not wanting anything to do with Sanders.
I don't think Wilson is any kind of an answer, bridge or otherwise. Pardon the pun, he's cooked. Not that I am thrilled with Cousins, I just don't see anyone else besides him. I know Falcons fans are quite disillusioned with him despite being in the running for the playoffs. I've not watched enough Falcons games to comment with any real insight. I am not opposed to Fields. I do not think his story has been completely written yet. Are the Steelers going to move on from him? I guess I don't see that happening. Shrugs.
This team has so very many holes. I am pretty sure it won't matter what QB they pick unless they start plugging the defensive holes, continue to improve the OL. (The OL DID take steps forward this year, but it was almost impossible not to, so that is faint praise. ) and to increase depth... everywhere. Oh, and dump that pretender DeVito. That HAS to be move one.
I saw an article recently that listed the worst moves by each team. Despite the opinions of some here, neither signing Jones or not signing Barkley was picked as the worst move. Rather... signing Galoway for his millions and millions was. It was a convincing argument. (One of their points: Tracy has done well, Saquon would not have had the year he is having in Philly behind this GIants Oline. They saved some money with this deal. Not saying Tracy = Saquon, but his yards/carry at 4.6 is above average. Not fault on Tracy but he can't carry the offense.)
Can't disagree with much of this
The one thing I would add is Schoen has to go
Analytics has it's place,but after watching Hard Knocks and seeing his decisions I think he relies on it too much
Not sure about Daboll
He cut his teeth in New England when Brady was there
He had Josh Allen in Buffalo
In New York he's had Daniel Jones,Tyrod Talyor,Drew Locke and Tommy Devito
One things for certain the franchise is a mess
John Mara seems like a nice guy but his hires have been less than stellar
If he fires Schoen I might get excited about the next draft
If Schoen is still there I just don't trust him to take advantage of the top pick in every round
My 2 cents
And Dabs lost the locker room 2-3 years ago
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
I am seeing slightly differently. I am over Dabs. I think he is in over his head and he isn't cool enough under pressure.
I think Schoen is being punished for being dealt a crappy hand. So many of these problems have their roots in the decisions of other GMs (see Galloway for an example). It takes time to turn these types of franchise wrecking decisions around. Schoen knows/knew that Jones wasn't the answer. But his other options sucked more. When it was time to resign him, it was super weak crop and better options didn't exist. The 40Mil was just the cost of QBs today. It wasn't Schoen's fault that the Giants had Jones to begin with. I get the impatience. Sometimes the fans don't get want they want.
My vote: lose Dabs, keep Schoen. I see this as the opposite situation when compared to the root of all this evil when they lost Coughlin and kept Reese.
I think Schoen is being punished for being dealt a crappy hand. So many of these problems have their roots in the decisions of other GMs (see Galloway for an example). It takes time to turn these types of franchise wrecking decisions around. Schoen knows/knew that Jones wasn't the answer. But his other options sucked more. When it was time to resign him, it was super weak crop and better options didn't exist. The 40Mil was just the cost of QBs today. It wasn't Schoen's fault that the Giants had Jones to begin with. I get the impatience. Sometimes the fans don't get want they want.
My vote: lose Dabs, keep Schoen. I see this as the opposite situation when compared to the root of all this evil when they lost Coughlin and kept Reese.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Ben will want a decent owner to go to, if not he will remain an OC in Detroit and wait for the right fit imo.
Balco
Footballguy
He is going to be able to choose his team and I can’t see him having the Giants in the top group. Smart move would be Bears.
The Problem with Dabs is he started to take himself too serious , lost weight and worried about his appearance
Fat Dabs 9-7-1 and Playoff victory
Skinny Dabs - Is going to get us the #1 pick in the draft
Look what happened to McAdoo when he became McAhairdoo
Messy Hair Mac 11-5 (Playoffs)
Hollywood Mac - 2-10 (fired)
Rex Ryan got all weird and tranny looking and he'll never coach again!
I want my head coach Fat and Funny !!!!
Andy Reid gets fattier, funnier and betterer as a head coach every season ... He Gets It ! He knows what it takes to be a winning coach in the NFL !!
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
Yeah! A totally pointless win! WOOOOOOOT!
Yenrub
Footballguy
Nope. Clearly, the plan is to bring back Daniel Jones as a free agent now that he has learned how to play QB under Kevin O’Connell.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Looks like the Eagles won't be playing any starters next week, and may be forced to use their 3rd string QB. Giants might get that 4th win and drop all the way to 8 or 9 in the draft.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Yeah, but Lock will be going up against the Eagles 2nd string defense. While the Eagles QB will be throwing to the 3rd, 4th and 5th WR. With the #3 RB, being blocked for with a backup OL.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Giants can't even ****ing tank right.
This is the same BS 3 years ago where the Giants beat a moribund Colts team that checked out to make the playoffs, and somehow that convinced thousands of Giants fans (NOT TO MENTION A NUMBER OF THEM ON THIS FORUM) that Daniel Jones was a Top 10 QB in the league.
Absolute ****ery.
This is the same BS 3 years ago where the Giants beat a moribund Colts team that checked out to make the playoffs, and somehow that convinced thousands of Giants fans (NOT TO MENTION A NUMBER OF THEM ON THIS FORUM) that Daniel Jones was a Top 10 QB in the league.
Absolute ****ery.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
You can pay Darnold if MIN decides to go with McCarthy. However, that could be another four years of a Daniel Jones-like experience. KOC and the weapons MIN have is Darnold’s best chance at continued success.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Short of signing Kirk Cousins, any vet QB they sign would be better than the nothingburger that is Daniel Jones. Russell Wilson, Sam Darnold, Teddy Bridgewater.... I'll even take immobile Joe Flacco, at least he won't be paid $40 million.
