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2025 College Football Thread: Lane Kiffin suddenly feels compelled to read morals clause of contract (144 Viewers)

Maisel had to recuse himself during ND discussions due to the book. My hope is that the bookstore didn’t want the event to devolve into people asking him about the playoff.
 
turnjose7 said:
Chadstroma said:
I just saw this that was originally an X post... I can't say that I agree wholly but it is hard to argue the general gist of it all....

Bowl Games = dying
Conference Championships = dying
CFP = disaster
Transfer Portal = disaster
NIL = out of control
Heisman Trophy = irrelevant
ESPN= making millions
Things are great!
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I, for one, think things are pretty great with college football and see this as a fairly silly and somewhat lazy post (the X post, not yours - I know you said you don't agree with it all).

Bowl Games - Some bowl games may die, which is probably a good thing because there are too many. The important bowl games, on the other hand, may have changed their role but are still great. There is still nothing that beats the sun setting over the San Gabriel Mountains on New Years Day. I happened to enjoy the most recent Rose Bowl quite a bit.

Conference Championships - Are they really dying? The Big 10 just had an incredibly hard fought game despite it not really meaning anything from a playoff perspective. I know people have speculated they will die, but I haven't seen evidence of that yet. I don't think Indiana fans consider them to be irrelevant right now.

Transfer Portal - Agree with this one, to an extent. There are many ways this could be done better. But honestly I think the transfer portal is a bigger issue in basketball where replacing 3-5 players means you don't know half the team. In football, despite all the grumbling about the transfer portal, the VAST majority of players on the vast majority of teams are still players that are recruited by and developed by that team.

NIL - There are certainly some downsides to NIL and ways it could be better. But there are also positives. Players getting paid is a good thing. It also seems to be spreading the talent more evenly so that more teams are competitive, rather than having the top 2-3 teams hoard all the 4 and 5-star players. That also seems to be a good thing.

Heisman Trophy and ESPN - Can't imagine why anyone would care about these.


To the main, point, though, which is the CFP, I would actually argue it is working very well. Could it be improved? Probably. I personally do think Notre Dame should be in and Alabama should be out. I think the timing of the games could be better. I wish the quarterfinal games were on campus. There are lots of things on the margins that could be better. But it certainly is not a disaster.

If we think about the point of the CFP, it is to give us a real championship won on the field by a team that is likely the best team in the country, while also maintaining some importance to the regular season. This is, in my opinion, the goal of any playoff system. To be sensitive enough make the best team the champion in most years, while being specific enough that it doesn't let an absurd number of teams who have no chance of winning into the field. There will always be arguments for more or for less teams because no system can have a perfect sensitivity or specificity, but in my opinion, the college football playoff system is among the best of any major playoff system right now.

Specifically with Notre Dame, again I think they should be in the field over Alabama. Notre Dame is certainly one of the 12 best teams in the country, and probably one of the 5-7 best. But they are almost certainly not one of the 2-3 best, so I honestly don't think it's a big deal that they aren't in. There is very little chance that we are missing the best team in the country.

Anyway, I happen to think college football is awesome right now. Tons of teams are relevant, both traditional powers and some exciting new teams. Tons of games are easily accessible to watch. We finally have a system that we can be confident gives us a true champion. Plus, as long as we have things like this, college football will always be the best.
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I don't think the bowl games that are part of the playoffs can really be counted as bowl games. They are now the playoffs. All the rest of the bowl games that have absolutely no meaning and due to NIL, transfer portal, NFL opt outs, etc make them basically pre-season games with less meaning but at the end of the season. A San Jose St team may jump at the opportunity to play and get a bit more cash for their athletic department but I think ND opting out is more like the canary in the mine than it is anything else. Why put your players at risk when it will have very little impact on your next season which is what matters. I would be pissed if ND played a bowl and played CJ Carr. There is zero reason to put him at risk and other of our young returning talent. Sure, you can go deeper into the roster and get those kids time but teams don't want to do their spring games anymore because they don't want NIL vultures coming for their younger depth players. I just don't see the value for the upper tier teams and you take those teams that are the ratings draw then you are left with teams that not many people want to watch. If no one is watching then these bowls will die out. But even the lower teams seem to be bailing. At least seven 5-7 teams have declined to play Georgia Southern in the Birmingham Bowl. If anything, this is the one that I believe is the most accurate.

With conference championships, the issue here isn't a great Ohio St vs Indiana and it isn't even a laughable Duke vs Virginia. It is really about the meaninglessness of the games now. A conference championship is nice and all but no one cares. If Ohio St wins the Championship again, do you think they will care they didn't win the B1G? Nope. Now, if Indiana falls short, they might actually see the championship as a stepping stone considering they haven't really done anything since WWII but really the elite programs that will be shooting for championships every year do not care about the conference championship. That isn't what donors are giving money for. The effort to protect the championship games by losers of those games not supposed to be punished for it but that has taken the meaning largely out of those games. Win and it helps, lose and oh well, we can still skate into the playoffs even though we couldn't manage to establish positive rushing yards for the entire game. The drama of winning and losing is taken out and the up side of winning is like "yea, that is nice.... when do we play our playoff game?"

The transfer portal is a mess.... or at least was.... let's see if the change to the one short window changes things.

NIL is the wild, wild, west and causing massive issues that vibrate throughout the rest of college football and actually college sports. Football is the money sport with basketball helping. In the past they subsidized all the other sports. Now with NIL, if you don't have enough money you are not competitive and if you are not competitive you are not getting more money. There are some adjustments but it has been a mess and seems like it will continue to be. Maybe the SCORE Act if passed would fix it? Probably not. Just cause more issues elsewhere.

The CFP has Tulane and JMU in, two teams that look anything but playoff teams (Alabama and OU) and another team that has half of it's coaching staff including it's HC from the season gone with one of the best teams according to most who follow football as well as odds makers out. All of which under a committee, full of AD's that have their own agendas outside of putting the best 12 reams in, that came out each week saying one thing and then did another the last couple of weeks because..... going for it on 4th down was impressive and telling people to go back and watch a week 1 game again? I don't know. All well in CFP land seems like a stretch to me to say the least.

College football is awesome but so much is working against it right now. Imagine how great it would be if things were done half way well.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:

ND trying to cancel Ivan Maisel now
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It's since been rescheduled. Sounds more scheduling snafu and internet people trying to blow it up for clicks.

That said, he might want to talk about his book, but guarantee fans will want to know about his involvement with the committee. Not sure if he's going to get what he hopes, but he should probably expect 90%+ of the questions to be about them, the process, and his involvement and thoughts (whether he can speak to them or not).
 
First Bowl Game of the season is this Saturday at noon eastern on ABC and it features South Carolina State's Bulldogs against Prairie View A&M's Fighting Ferrets. We're calling it The Celebration Bowl and you can bet this is PRECISELY what Kool & The Gang were thinking about when they wrote their hit single in 1980. GET DOWN!
 
:sadbanana:

Indiana Hoosiers head coach Curt Cignetti announced on Wednesday afternoon that defensive lineman Stephen Daley was injured at some point after the game on Saturday night during the team’s celebration of their Big Ten Championship.

“I can confirm that he did sustain an injury. Serious injury that will probably not make him available for the remainder of the season.” Cignetti said.
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Daley was already replacing Kellen Wyatt, who had a season-ending injury mid-year.
 
Capella said:
Guys I can’t believe I have to say this but there is no non-CFP game that is making ESPN 50 million dollars. The total payouts to the two teams is around 12M dollars, so once you factor in attendance you can probably count ESPN’s nut somewhere around there. Not to mention the decline in ratings from ND to Georgia Tech isn’t nothing but it’s not 50M worth of revenue.
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This is why I asked to see the data behind it. It is WAY far fetched.
 
I wasn't here as a participant all that much a few years ago, but did this play erupt the same way when FSU got absolutely jobbed? There seem to be many who are just now realizing the realities of what the committee is and what the CFP is, even though its been this way for a pretty long time.
 
Sparky Polastri said:
I wasn't here as a participant all that much a few years ago, but did this play erupt the same way when FSU got absolutely jobbed? There seem to be many who are just now realizing the realities of what the committee is and what the CFP is, even though its been this way for a pretty long time.
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There's only one FSU fan and he matured into a reasonable adult who doesn't let things he can't control rile him up with emotions anymore. So boring.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
General Malaise said:
Max Power said:
NIL is going to ruin the sport. These mid-level programs are going to get tired of their best players being bought out from under them.

Sam Leavitt will probably get offered $4 Mil to play somewhere.
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Miami has done this the last two years; going to guess they'll do it with Sam for a third.
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Thought Miami wanted Sellers
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That probably makes more sense. Then the fans will have Seller's Remorse.

I'll see myself out, again.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jayded said:
Oops. ACC learns about Reply All in communications as to how they plan to communicate re: ND. We won’t know the content of said messages, but there clearly might have been more said behind doors that resulted in Bevacqua’s response vs just seeing the end result.

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How long does ND plan to embarrass itself with their hurt feelings?
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Well the media jumped on his case to his response. It is fair to point out that there may be more to it than surface level and he might be more justified in saying they were disappointed in what occurred.

But I hope they move beyond it from here. Time to go close some NIL deals and get back to football.
 
Jayded said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jayded said:
Oops. ACC learns about Reply All in communications as to how they plan to communicate re: ND. We won’t know the content of said messages, but there clearly might have been more said behind doors that resulted in Bevacqua’s response vs just seeing the end result.

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How long does ND plan to embarrass itself with their hurt feelings?
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Well the media jumped on his case to his response. It is fair to point out that there may be more to it than surface level and he might be more justified in saying they were disappointed in what occurred.

But I hope they move beyond it from here. Time to go close some NIL deals and get back to football.
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It's big nothing burger until we see an actual email exists and there's something in there to be upset about.
 
Jayded said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jayded said:
Oops. ACC learns about Reply All in communications as to how they plan to communicate re: ND. We won’t know the content of said messages, but there clearly might have been more said behind doors that resulted in Bevacqua’s response vs just seeing the end result.

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How long does ND plan to embarrass itself with their hurt feelings?
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Well the media jumped on his case to his response. It is fair to point out that there may be more to it than surface level and he might be more justified in saying they were disappointed in what occurred.

But I hope they move beyond it from here. Time to go close some NIL deals and get back to football.
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I think ND the school has moved on Bevacqua did his media tour and had what was really just end of year press conference and I haven't seen anything since. This was not breaking news from ND today as podcast guys were talking about it yesterday. It was obviously a big news item and dominated the news cycle which has people talking about it. Of course, people who do not like ND will make the "How long does ND plan to embarrass itself with their hurt feelings?" comments to make them feel better about being second choice to actually play in the ever so exciting Pop Tart Bowl.
 
@Capella
Interesting thread title but Miami is IN the college football playoffs

-Yes it is truly ironic the guy they fired is the guy sending them into the college football playoffs
Manny Diaz is of course a native to South Florida and Miami...(Mrs and I draw paychecks there - UM)

Miami 27...Notre Dame 3...
I'm sorry final score was different but Miami did hold on and beat the team that is publicly embarrassing themselves right now
There is no shame in Miami, only in South Bend

Convicts 27
Catholics 24

-Is Miami one and done? Perhaps but should they go on a little win streak, no apologies required
Think back to that phantom pass interference that cost Miami B2B titles,
The country hates the University of Miami...but this week, Notre Dame managed to leapfrog the Canes in hate-a-bility
That's hard to do
 
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Chadstroma said:
GregR said:
Chadstroma said:
General Malaise said:
The leadership at the ACC helps further my understanding of how the South lost the Civil War. Total gong show over there. Fire everybody and start fresh.
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I do find it funny that for all the 'head to head matters' talk..... Duke, a 7-5 team played for and won the conference championship over Miami who beat them during the season and sat and watched the game at home... well... who are we kidding, they watched the other real game that was on like the rest of us.
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Head to head doesn't usually get used in multi-team ties where not everyone played head to head or the same number of H2H games.

Unless you're in fantasy football leagues with bad rules.

So nothing odd there.
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I said funny.... not odd.

Head to head has to matter.... well.... except for our Championship game where we are going to not put in our clearly best team in the conference that spanked the mediocre team we got in there.

That is funny.
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When there's a tie with multiple teams you can't always do H2H, especially when they don't all play each other. I honestly don't know what kind of dumb formular they used but I'm assuming it will get changed immediately after the bowls end.
 
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
I wasn't here as a participant all that much a few years ago, but did this play erupt the same way when FSU got absolutely jobbed? There seem to be many who are just now realizing the realities of what the committee is and what the CFP is, even though its been this way for a pretty long time.
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There's only one FSU fan and he matured into a reasonable adult who doesn't let things he can't control rile him up with emotions anymore. So boring.
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So not really about the ****ty system rather people whining about getting **** on?
 
Chadstroma said:
Jayded said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jayded said:
Oops. ACC learns about Reply All in communications as to how they plan to communicate re: ND. We won’t know the content of said messages, but there clearly might have been more said behind doors that resulted in Bevacqua’s response vs just seeing the end result.

Click to expand...
How long does ND plan to embarrass itself with their hurt feelings?
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Well the media jumped on his case to his response. It is fair to point out that there may be more to it than surface level and he might be more justified in saying they were disappointed in what occurred.

But I hope they move beyond it from here. Time to go close some NIL deals and get back to football.
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I think ND the school has moved on Bevacqua did his media tour and had what was really just end of year press conference and I haven't seen anything since. This was not breaking news from ND today as podcast guys were talking about it yesterday. It was obviously a big news item and dominated the news cycle which has people talking about it. Of course, people who do not like ND will make the "How long does ND plan to embarrass itself with their hurt feelings?" comments to make them feel better about being second choice to actually play in the ever so exciting Pop Tart Bowl.
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The Pop Tart bowl is awesome. A BYU/ND game would have been a fun one; I would have enjoyed betting a house on Notre Dame. I would have liked watching the players have fun eating a giant Pop Tart after covering the spread.
 
Chadstroma said:
Special news release for @General Malaise

Notre Dame has landed a verbal commitment from Anderson High School (Ohio) defensive back Ace Alston.

The four-star, Class of 2027 cornerback out of the Cincinnati area gave the Irish his verbal nod over Oregon, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Tennessee, LSU, Penn State, USC and the in-state Buckeyes.
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Please stop posting about any verbal recruit commits for Notre Dame. Nobody cares in here. Share it on a Notre Dame forum.
 
Sparky Polastri said:
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
I wasn't here as a participant all that much a few years ago, but did this play erupt the same way when FSU got absolutely jobbed? There seem to be many who are just now realizing the realities of what the committee is and what the CFP is, even though its been this way for a pretty long time.
Click to expand...

There's only one FSU fan and he matured into a reasonable adult who doesn't let things he can't control rile him up with emotions anymore. So boring.
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So not really about the ****ty system rather people whining about getting **** on?
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Ask Cappy, he's right here.
 
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
I wasn't here as a participant all that much a few years ago, but did this play erupt the same way when FSU got absolutely jobbed? There seem to be many who are just now realizing the realities of what the committee is and what the CFP is, even though its been this way for a pretty long time.
Click to expand...

There's only one FSU fan and he matured into a reasonable adult who doesn't let things he can't control rile him up with emotions anymore. So boring.
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So not really about the ****ty system rather people whining about getting **** on?
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Ask Cappy, he's right here.
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Missed that question. Yea it sucked but I realized college football was a scam a long time ago. Not really the sport you should let affect you. Everybody involved is either 20 years old or an insane billionaire.
 
Schmeabs said:
Chadstroma said:
Special news release for @General Malaise

Notre Dame has landed a verbal commitment from Anderson High School (Ohio) defensive back Ace Alston.

The four-star, Class of 2027 cornerback out of the Cincinnati area gave the Irish his verbal nod over Oregon, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Tennessee, LSU, Penn State, USC and the in-state Buckeyes.
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Please stop posting about any verbal recruit commits for Notre Dame. Nobody cares in here. Share it on a Notre Dame forum.
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This is a College football thread and that is college football news, no? In other words... I will post whatever is relevant to this topic. If you don't like it, don't read it. It really does not hurt you to have a post you don't care to read in this thread.
 
Capella said:
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
I wasn't here as a participant all that much a few years ago, but did this play erupt the same way when FSU got absolutely jobbed? There seem to be many who are just now realizing the realities of what the committee is and what the CFP is, even though its been this way for a pretty long time.
Click to expand...

There's only one FSU fan and he matured into a reasonable adult who doesn't let things he can't control rile him up with emotions anymore. So boring.
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So not really about the ****ty system rather people whining about getting **** on?
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Ask Cappy, he's right here.
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Missed that question. Yea it sucked but I realized college football was a scam a long time ago. Not really the sport you should let affect you. Everybody involved is either 20 years old or an insane billionaire.
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:goodposting:
 
Sparky Polastri said:
Capella said:
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
General Malaise said:
Sparky Polastri said:
I wasn't here as a participant all that much a few years ago, but did this play erupt the same way when FSU got absolutely jobbed? There seem to be many who are just now realizing the realities of what the committee is and what the CFP is, even though its been this way for a pretty long time.
Click to expand...

There's only one FSU fan and he matured into a reasonable adult who doesn't let things he can't control rile him up with emotions anymore. So boring.
Click to expand...
So not really about the ****ty system rather people whining about getting **** on?
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Ask Cappy, he's right here.
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Missed that question. Yea it sucked but I realized college football was a scam a long time ago. Not really the sport you should let affect you. Everybody involved is either 20 years old or an insane billionaire.
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:goodposting:
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And my question was more about the outrage we see today. Seems if people were really concerned about the system, theyd still be pissing and moaning about what happened to FSU. By far more egregious than this stuff.
 
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