2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Matadors on the O-line ☠ (12 Viewers)

[scothawk]

Seattle let Pete and Geno go for reasons. Said reasons are now 1 year older and even more evident.

Suspect both are one and done here.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Looking back I wish they had drafted Dart.

I wanted him. But not at 6. When the ny take him again?

 

[LawFitz]

Looking back I wish they had drafted Dart.

I wanted him. But not at 6. When the ny take him again?

21 or something. I also liked Dart. Ah well... Who is the next Dart?

 

[menobrown]

Looking back I wish they had drafted Dart.

I think the mistake they made was not just signing Darnold and what I heard/read at the time was that due to Brady's influence, he was/is not a fan.

FWIW I'm not saying this after the fact and posted that SEA essentially trading Geno for Darnold and a third was a win for them when they did it.

Also Jeanty could be a star but I've long felt committing major resources to the RB position when you've not built out your team, especially your OL, is Football 101 bad business. And IF you are going to do it the most acceptable type of situation to do it is when you have a young QB you want to try and protect.

 

[bolzano]

Top 5 Worst Throws in the NFL: Week 5

 

[LawFitz]

Top 5 Worst Throws in the NFL: Week 5

Geno throwing some utter duds out there after grading as one of the NFL's most accurate passers as a Seahawk. Raiders OL woes seem to have turned him back into a pumpkin this year.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Pete Carroll says he's processing Raiders' 1-4 start 'poorly'

Welcome to the last 2+ decades of being a Raiders fan, Pete.

And who has been the owner during that period.

Okay, now explain to me how this is Mark Davis's fault. If the only answer is "well, he hired them" then save it.

Everyone prefers an owner who hires football people, opens the purse strings and then gets out of the way. That's Mark Davis and that's what he did with Pete Carroll and Tom Brady and Chip Kelly and whatever the hell the gm's name is.

Exactly. He's not the one running the draft or coaching the players. He's spent big on free agents, it's not his fault they missed on them.

There is only one common denominator between the piss poor seasons the Raiders have strung together the last 14 years. Looks like it will take another 14 for some of you to figure it out.

 

[rockaction]

Pete Carroll says he's processing Raiders' 1-4 start 'poorly'

Welcome to the last 2+ decades of being a Raiders fan, Pete.

And who has been the owner during that period.

Okay, now explain to me how this is Mark Davis's fault. If the only answer is "well, he hired them" then save it.

Everyone prefers an owner who hires football people, opens the purse strings and then gets out of the way. That's Mark Davis and that's what he did with Pete Carroll and Tom Brady and Chip Kelly and whatever the hell the gm's name is.

Exactly. He's not the one running the draft or coaching the players. He's spent big on free agents, it's not his fault they missed on them.

There is only one common denominator between the piss poor seasons the Raiders have strung together the last 14 years. Looks like it will take another 14 for some of you to figure it out.

His name is Woody and he owns the Jets. You have it good.

 

[kaso]

Raiders signed former 1st round pick LB Jamin Davis
TE Michael Mayer has cleared the concussion protocol
TE Bowers is considered day-to-day with his knee.
Geno remains the starting QB.

That's all I got.

 

[Chaka]

Raiders signed former 1st round pick LB Jamin Davis
TE Michael Mayer has cleared the concussion protocol
TE Bowers is considered day-to-day with his knee.
Geno remains the starting QB.

That's all I got.

The Raiders are only a game back from the Chiefs. Not bad after five weeks, right!?!?!

 

[SDJohnny]

Raiders signed former 1st round pick LB Jamin Davis
TE Michael Mayer has cleared the concussion protocol
TE Bowers is considered day-to-day with his knee.
Geno remains the starting QB.

That's all I got.

The Raiders are only a game back from the Chiefs. Not bad after five weeks, right!?!?!

and have the same record as the Ravens. If you told me that a month ago I'd be over the moon.

 

[ZADO]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

 

[LawFitz]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

This is the die by the Geno team now.

 

[ZADO]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

This is the die by the Geno team now.

i know you would like to see AOC as well ,amiright?

 

[LawFitz]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

This is the die by the Geno team now.

i know you would like to see AOC as well ,amiright?

Honestly, I think AOC and most other QBs would also flop behind this OL play. I blame Brennan Carroll, and by extension his dad. AOC isn't solving this team's problem.

 

[ZADO]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

This is the die by the Geno team now.

i know you would like to see AOC as well ,amiright?

Honestly, I think AOC and most other QBs would also flop behind this OL play. I blame Brennan Carroll, and by extension his dad. AOC isn't solving this team's problem.

i agree, the Oline is a mess, i just cant watch another Geno performance .

 

[fatness]

Raiders signed former 1st round pick LB Jamin Davis

Jamin Davis is very good at bad pass coverage.

 

[Chaka]

Raiders signed former 1st round pick LB Jamin Davis

Jamin Davis is very good at bad pass coverage.

Excellent! He'll fit right in.

 

[fatness]

Raiders signed former 1st round pick LB Jamin Davis

Jamin Davis is very good at bad pass coverage.

Excellent! He'll fit right in.

He's not the worst former Washington LB at pass coverage, but he's close. Perry Riley was the worst. There are clips of Riley playing zone defense and constantly checking his position on the field while receivers are running by him.

 

[LawFitz]

i just cant watch another Geno performance

Good news is the Geno contract is structured so that the Raiders can very readily get out of it after this year. To do so, they would take an $18 MM dead cap charge next year, but would also free up $8 MM in 2026 cap at the same time. They would have paid Geno $58 MM total at that point for one season. It would be the latest in a long list of fugly, but it's an out if they want/need to take it.

 

[fatness]

Pete Carroll's a little bit unhappy with Chip Kelly's playcalling.

Asked what the Raiders have to do to get quarterback Geno Smith on track, Carroll said Smith would benefit from the Raiders calling more running plays. “We have to run the football better, more,” Carroll said. “And we’re going to continue to work at it and see if we can’t continue to bring it to life. The running game has looked well in order right now, we need to get more of them. That’s part of it. That’s just mixing football. That’s how you do it. We don’t ever want to rely on the quarterback has to do the whole show, sitting in the shotgun, throw the football. Never coach that way. So we have to mix our stuff so we can use our play action game.”

Carroll then said running back Ashton Jeanty can play well when he gets opportunities, and noted that Smith isn’t the one calling the plays. “I was pleased with how we saw Ashton come to life on the edge,” Carroll said. “He made some nice plays and stretched the defense and put some threat on them with that. And we’ve got to make sure that we’re calling all the best stuff in the situations. He’s not calling the plays. We’ve got to call them and we’ve got to make sure and get him in the right spots and give him the best chance to stay out of harm’s way. Part of that is really controlling the game with what we do in front in the running game.”

 

[LawFitz]

Pete Carroll's a little bit unhappy with Chip Kelly's playcalling.

Asked what the Raiders have to do to get quarterback Geno Smith on track, Carroll said Smith would benefit from the Raiders calling more running plays. “We have to run the football better, more,” Carroll said. “And we’re going to continue to work at it and see if we can’t continue to bring it to life. The running game has looked well in order right now, we need to get more of them. That’s part of it. That’s just mixing football. That’s how you do it. We don’t ever want to rely on the quarterback has to do the whole show, sitting in the shotgun, throw the football. Never coach that way. So we have to mix our stuff so we can use our play action game.”

Carroll then said running back Ashton Jeanty can play well when he gets opportunities, and noted that Smith isn’t the one calling the plays. “I was pleased with how we saw Ashton come to life on the edge,” Carroll said. “He made some nice plays and stretched the defense and put some threat on them with that. And we’ve got to make sure that we’re calling all the best stuff in the situations. He’s not calling the plays. We’ve got to call them and we’ve got to make sure and get him in the right spots and give him the best chance to stay out of harm’s way. Part of that is really controlling the game with what we do in front in the running game.”

Ugh. I think the Raiders might have the highest paid Coordinators in the NFL. If not, they are close. Why TF is the Head Coach throwing one of them under the bus publicly? Where is his criticism of his son's work as OL clown? Raiders bad juju seems to be growing here.

 

[fatness]

Ugh. I think the Raiders might have the highest paid Coordinators in the NFL. If not, they are close. Why TF is the Head Coach throwing one of them under the bus publicly? Where is his criticism of his son's work as OL clown? Raiders bad juju seems to be growing here.

I don't actively follow the Raiders but from what I've seen and read they seem like a real mess right now, with no one and nothing to coalesce around.

 

[Hankmoody]

Looking back I wish they had drafted Dart.

I think the mistake they made was not just signing Darnold and what I heard/read at the time was that due to Brady's influence, he was/is not a fan.

FWIW I'm not saying this after the fact and posted that SEA essentially trading Geno for Darnold and a third was a win for them when they did it.

Also Jeanty could be a star but I've long felt committing major resources to the RB position when you've not built out your team, especially your OL, is Football 101 bad business. And IF you are going to do it the most acceptable type of situation to do it is when you have a young QB you want to try and protect.

Exactly my sentiments in March but from LVR perspective:

We could have kept the 3rd and signed Fields or Darnold for the same/less (way less for Fields) money - that would be the chess move.

 

[rockaction]

Pete throws every coordinator he has had under the bus because they don't "run enough"

I can go find the exact quotes every time an OC in Seattle got fired. He was not going to change at seventy years old. This was a failure to hire him and think he would be different.

I don't want to get too far away from relevance but I think Pete's gonna be chomping gum and punting from the opponent's 48 on 4th and 1 until he's forcibly put out in the cold. I could be wrong, but I've known enough older powerful men of that age, and while Pete is always marching to the beat of modernity, I'm not sure he has it in him

Before the year started in the Bowers thread.

So, should we expect an increase, decrease, or about the same fantasy production for Geno as a Raider?

He'll be playing for Pete Carroll. Remember the "let Russ cook" thing? Pete likes to run and run and run the football.

That's from before the year started in the Geno thread

I think I keep repeating it. He ain't changing.

From Field Gulls in 2018, when he fired Darrell Bevell:

"Analysts and fans have long called for Carroll to make Wilson the focal point of the offense, more so than he already has. But even as the Seahawks’ run-pass ratio has flirted with 60-40 in the past two seasons, Carroll has given no indication on the record that he wants to depart from the formula that got him this far. Ball control, clock control, court the explosive play, shy away from unnecessary risks, and wear down the opponent with a strong ground game — these are central tenets to Carroll’s philosophy, stated over and over again." - Field Gulls

On firing Brian Schottenheimer:

Carroll said Monday that one of his top priorities going into next season was to re-establish being a run-dominant team.

“It’s really a football thing. It’s a scheme thing and I want to see if we can run the ball more effectively to focus the play of the opponents and see if we can force them to do things like we’d like them to do more, like we have been able to do that in the past,” Carroll said. “That doesn’t mean we’re going to run the ball 50 times a game, it means we need to run the ball with direction and focus and style that allows us to dictate the game.”

Clearly, what Carroll wanted didn’t fit with Schottenheimer’s view of how to move forward." - AP News, 1/12/21

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

Bruh….

He sucks

 

[ZADO]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

Bruh….

He sucks

He throws a better ball than Geno

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Honestly id love to see AOC playing

Raiders QB Aidan O'Connell has a fractured right wrist and is expected to miss 6-8 weeks, potentially being eligible to return around Week 5. He suffered the injury during the team's preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals on August 23, 2025, and was subsequently placed on injured reserve.


Details of the Injury & Recovery

• Injury: Fractured right wrist.
• Timeline: Expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
• • Placement: Placed on injured reserve by the Raiders.
  • Likely Return: Eligible to return around Week 5.

Bruh….

He sucks

He throws a better ball than Geno

K. They both suck. The line is the biggest problem

 

[bolzano]

#Raiders Pete Carroll said QB Geno Smith needs to get the ball out quicker. Smith's average time to throw is 2.97 seconds -- fourth-highest in the NFL. "Yeah, we want the ball out much quicker than that. That's not been consistent with his past, so we got to do better."

https://x.com/ryanmcfadden_/status/1976753505500328320

 

[RaiderBones]

Looking back I wish they had drafted Dart.

The Raiders like to continually kick the QB can down the road bringing in over the hill vets trying to capture that Gannon magic. They need to stop this and draft a QB in the 1st round and stop messing around.

 

[joey]

I didn’t get to watch the game and see the rare win.

Did they change up the O line at all or was it same ol’ same ol’, and it just so happens that the Titans are worse than us?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I didn’t get to watch the game and see the rare win.

Did they change up the O line at all or was it same ol’ same ol’, and it just so happens that the Titans are worse than us?

Same questions. I was traveling

 

[Chaka]

I didn’t get to watch the game and see the rare win.

Did they change up the O line at all or was it same ol’ same ol’, and it just so happens that the Titans are worse than us?

Same questions. I was traveling

Nope. Still a turnstile. Geno was pressured all day

 

[LawFitz]

DLine won that game yesterday. O was still suspect at best. This looks like a 4-6 win team to me. Geno is not capable without a legit OL, and this team does not have that.

 

[joey]

So business as usual….great. :(

 

[LawFitz]

This coming week against the Chiefs is essentially make or break for the Raiders 2025 season. Win and you are 3-4 with renewed hope and some huge momentum beating the division boogeyman. Lose and you are 2-5 and 2.5 games back of 3rd place in AFCW.

Problem is this week they faced the worst QB to start every game so far in 2025, and next week they face the best. Literally #32 to #1 in one week. And this week Mahomie gets his WR1 back.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

F the chiefs

 

[WVU Alum]

F the chiefs

With a cactus.

 

[Chadstroma]

Munford was released by the Browns who do not have a good line to begin with. So weird... he showed some promise early on.

 

[Chaka]

F the chiefs

With a cactus.

Go on...

 

[WVU Alum]

F the chiefs

With a cactus.

Go on...

… and cayenne pepper.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Currently Bar hopping in Austin TX. Not much raider presence

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Do we get Callahan Sr for getting Jr fired?

 

[Hankmoody]

I didn’t get to watch the game and see the rare win.

Did they change up the O line at all or was it same ol’ same ol’, and it just so happens that the Titans are worse than us?

A little of both. We were bad at times, but they have a super stud DT and we didn't let him wreck the entire game - which we have in the past. It was by no means dominant, but it was quite competent at times. Awful at others though, and better teams will (and already have) destroy us.

 

[LawFitz]

Ugh, duped again by the Raiders draft hype. Jeanty is the only Vegas rookie contributing (on O or D) through six games... Not a good look here for the new regime.

Ashton Jeanty:
The No. 6 overall draft pick snap count increased to 78 percent from played a season-low 54 percent of the snaps. He had 75 yards on 23 carries and averaged 3.3 yards per carry. It was the fourth time in six games he averaged less than four yards per carry.

Jack Bech:
For the second straight week, the second-round pick played a season-high snap percentage (75 percent in Week 6). Yet, he was targeted once and had no catches. He has five catches on eight targets this season. But it’s clear the Raiders are open to giving him opportunities.

Darien Porter:
The cornerback, taken in the third round, went back to be a non-factor on defense now that starter Eric Stokes returned from an injury. Porter didn’t play on defense against the Titans and played 10 special-teams snaps. He played all 66 defensive snaps at the Colts with Stokes out.

Caleb Rogers:
The offensive lineman, taken in the third round, was inactive for the fifth time in six games.

Charles Grant:
The offensive lineman, taken in the third round, was active for the second time because Kolton Miller is out for the next 4-6 weeks with a high-ankle sprain. He didn’t play. Earlier, coach Pete Carroll said Grant may soon be ready to push Stone Forsythe for playing time if Miller is out.

Dont’e Thornton:
The wide receiver, taken in the fourth round, has dramatically seen his play time dwindle. He played just two offensive snaps in Week 6 and he wasn’t targeted. His previous low-snap count was 31. He has five catches on 16 targets and hasn’t caught a ball since Week 3. He has ability, but it’s clear the Raiders feel he’s not ready and Bech has taken snaps away. Thornton hasn’t played any on special teams this season.

Tonka Hemingway:
The fourth-round pick was inactive for the fourth time this season.

JJ Pegues:
The defensive tackle, taken in the sixth round, was inactive after being active for two straight games.

Cody Lindenberg:
The seventh-round pick played no snaps on defense, but played 78 percent of the snaps on special teams, which was a season-low.

 

[LawFitz]

Lots o rumors about trading Jakobi. I favor it. Get what you can, especially if it's a mid-round pick or better, and let's see what Bech can do with more playing time.

Also talk of AOC, Tyree and Zamir moving. First two, I could see a team giving up a late pick, and I'm all for it. Zamir is waiver fodder at best.

It's too bad Pete has his hip tied to Geno. Shark move would have been to unload Geno's contract on Cincy or some other QB-starved sucker for whatever they would have given.

 

[bolzano]

How about Mayer? He’s someone who could have a real value boost elsewhere.

 

[steelwind]

Is Tre Tucker a fit to be WR1?

 

[DocHolliday]

Ugh, duped again by the Raiders draft hype. Jeanty is the only Vegas rookie contributing (on O or D) through six games... Not a good look here for the new regime.

Ashton Jeanty:
The No. 6 overall draft pick snap count increased to 78 percent from played a season-low 54 percent of the snaps. He had 75 yards on 23 carries and averaged 3.3 yards per carry. It was the fourth time in six games he averaged less than four yards per carry.

Jack Bech:
For the second straight week, the second-round pick played a season-high snap percentage (75 percent in Week 6). Yet, he was targeted once and had no catches. He has five catches on eight targets this season. But it’s clear the Raiders are open to giving him opportunities.

Darien Porter:
The cornerback, taken in the third round, went back to be a non-factor on defense now that starter Eric Stokes returned from an injury. Porter didn’t play on defense against the Titans and played 10 special-teams snaps. He played all 66 defensive snaps at the Colts with Stokes out.

Caleb Rogers:
The offensive lineman, taken in the third round, was inactive for the fifth time in six games.

Charles Grant:
The offensive lineman, taken in the third round, was active for the second time because Kolton Miller is out for the next 4-6 weeks with a high-ankle sprain. He didn’t play. Earlier, coach Pete Carroll said Grant may soon be ready to push Stone Forsythe for playing time if Miller is out.

Dont’e Thornton:
The wide receiver, taken in the fourth round, has dramatically seen his play time dwindle. He played just two offensive snaps in Week 6 and he wasn’t targeted. His previous low-snap count was 31. He has five catches on 16 targets and hasn’t caught a ball since Week 3. He has ability, but it’s clear the Raiders feel he’s not ready and Bech has taken snaps away. Thornton hasn’t played any on special teams this season.

Tonka Hemingway:
The fourth-round pick was inactive for the fourth time this season.

JJ Pegues:
The defensive tackle, taken in the sixth round, was inactive after being active for two straight games.

Cody Lindenberg:
The seventh-round pick played no snaps on defense, but played 78 percent of the snaps on special teams, which was a season-low.

I am as hard as anyone on my Raiders but it’s too early to grade rookies and very difficult when it’s a dysfunctional team like the Raiders. It takes time for many young players to develop. It seems tough to determine where the rookie WRs stand due to a very underwhelming Geno. The rookie o line players don’t stand a chance with this current coaching. Hopefully they hold on to them to see how they can play with better pieces on the line and real coaches once Pete is gone next year or the year after.

 

[LawFitz]

The rookie o line players don’t stand a chance with this current coaching

Why is it so dang hard for this organization to land a proper coaching staff?!? It's been freaking coaching groundhogs for way too long.