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4th Round Rookie WR Gold Mine (Boyce, Harper, Patton) (1 Viewer)

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This was an interesting draft for me because a lot of the WRs who were high on my board pre-draft fell a round or two and a lot of the ones that I didn't like went high. The result is that a lot of players that I have no interest in are coming off the board early while some intriguing talents are sliding later than I expected a month ago. In terms of value per cost, the sweet spot seems to be with the fourth round WRs: Boyce, Harper, and Patton.

While I wouldn't say any of these guys are elite talents, they're all pretty good. Good enough to potentially become productive full-time starters. Perhaps more importantly, they all landed on teams with good QB play. As we saw last season, good QB play can elevate modest talents like Eric Decker, James Jones, Lance Moore, and TY Hilton to the point where they're solid weekly starting options. The same could eventually happen for these guys.

Josh Boyce, Patriots (Pick 102) - I've been pretty vocal in my support of Boyce and my criticism of the Aaron Dobson pick. I think this is a situation like Brian Quick/Chris Givens or Arrelious Benn/Mike Williams where the 4th round pick has a lot more talent than the 2nd round pick and is a big favorite to outperform him from day one. People talk about Dobson as a compelling talent, but in reality he was an unproductive college player who never topped 700 receiving yards in four college seasons. Boyce is not only a much better athlete, but also a better football player. He has a rare package of physical tools. Not tall at 5'11", but very solid for his height at 206 pounds. He turned in one of the best workouts of any receiver at the combine, flashing a rare combination of strength (22 bench reps), quickness (6.66 second three cone time), and vertical explosiveness (4.38 40 and 10'11" broad jump). He also looked like the best route runner in the positional drills.

I don't think Boyce has the look of a #1 NFL receiver, but what he brings is versatility and rare athletic ability. He can line up in the slot or outside. His speed and quickness make him a constant threat on a variety of routes. While he's not a huge target, he's still a decent TD threat because he can win contested passes or break long plays with his speed. The Patriots have shown that they can get great results from non-traditional weapons (Hernandez, Gronk, Woodhead, Welker). I think that bodes really well for Boyce. He should become a quick favorite of Brady/Belichick and could push the 700-800 yard barrier as a rookie if things break right for him.

Chris Harper, Seahawks (Pick 123) - One of my favorite players in the draft. A unique and unprecedented prospect. He's not what I would call an explosive athlete and he doesn't have a consistently great burst out of his routes to gain separation, but he has some special qualities that could see him become a surprise hit in the NFL. The most obvious of those qualities is size. At 6'0.6" and 230 pounds, Harper has a height/weight ratio more in line with a TE or a RB than a WR. The difference in body mass between Harper and typical "big" NFL receivers like Fitzgerald/Bryant/VJackson is about equal to the difference between those receivers and thinner players like Wayne/Green/Maclin. He's in his own XXL class from a frame standpoint. When you look at Harper in that context, his 4.55 speed and 6.89 three cone time become more impressive. He isn't fast or explosive compared to the typical WR, but he's fast and explosive for a player with his body type. Mobile enough that corners have to respect the threat of his speed and quickness. What's most unique about his playing style is that he doesn't really have to be open to catch the ball because he can bully corners at the catch point. There are some plays on his highlight reels like this one where defenders literally bounce off of him when they try to close.

What also stands out to me about Harper is that he has a big wing span and great hands. He attacks the ball in a crowd and always catches it away from his frame. He improved each season in college and became a consistent producer as a senior, netting at least 50 receiving yards in 10 of his last 11 games despite suffering from Collin Klein's horrendous QB play. Overall, Harper figures to be a very difficult matchup for pro corners, many of whom will surrender 30-45 pounds to him. Like Boyce, he should benefit tremendously from his situation. Russell Wilson is one of the rising stars at QB and Harper should thrive as one of his primary targets. I see him eventually becoming a better version of James Jones. He's a similar player, but bigger with much more reliable hands.

Quinton Patton, 49ers (Pick 128) - I was surprised to see Patton slide out of the draft's second day. He doesn't have any one single outstanding physical trait and that might be why he went below lesser receivers like Dobson and Goodwin, but he has a good chance to stick as a complementary weapon. He was a prolific producer in college, posting gaudy stats for two years in a row including some big games against tough competition. He's a fluid player with a strong frame and quick feet. He has very reliable hands and is a high character type who will work hard and fit in well in the locker room. He has just enough speed to occasionally get deep.

I have Patton ranked below Harper and Boyce partially because he doesn't have any standout tools and partially because I think the situation is a little less favorable. I'm higher on Brady/Wilson as pure passers compared to Kaepernick and neither the Patriots nor Seahawks have a reliable #1 receiver whereas Crabtree started to become that kind of player in the second half of last season. Nevertheless, I think the 49ers got a nice value in Patton and I rate him ahead of several receivers who came off the board earlier in the draft (Dobson, Goodwin, Williams, Bailey).

4th round NFL draft picks rarely become standout players or even adequate starters, but my hunch is that this group has more talent and potential than the typical receiver selected in this range. I've finished several rookie drafts already and I've looked at many others. I think this trio offers good return on your investment and I recommend taking a chance on them if they fall to spot where the price is reasonable (20th-25th overall pick). I think we'll look back on this draft class in a few years and see that these guys probably deserved to go a little higher. I even like the other 4th round WR Ace Sanders, although his skill set makes him less relevant for FF (return man/slot receiver).

 
4th round NFL draft picks rarely become standout players or even adequate starters, but my hunch is that this group has more talent and potential than the typical receiver selected in this range.
They are mostly busts but it seems like there's a 4th round pick who works out every year (Mike Williams, Shorts, Givens the last few).
 
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Many people are comparing Harper to Boldin but I see a little TO in him. I think he'll get on the field early and often if only for his blocking skills.

 
Yeah you just hit on three of the best value picks in rookie drafts there, especially Boyce... 20-25 is a good place to move up for Boyce/Patton, but Harper has been available in the late 3rd (or even later) in the rookie drafts I

 
I like the potential of the 4th round guys, but the real steals were found in round 3 imho. It's why I was beating the wait on WR drum pre draft. Incredible depth in this class and the top of it outside of Austin just isn't worth the risk.

 
MAC_32 said:
I like the potential of the 4th round guys, but the real steals were found in round 3 imho. It's why I was beating the wait on WR drum pre draft. Incredible depth in this class and the top of it outside of Austin just isn't worth the risk.
I like Wheaton a bit, but am not too high on Goodwin, Williams, or Bailey.

 
ExaltedOne said:
Many people are comparing Harper to Boldin but I see a little TO in him. I think he'll get on the field early and often if only for his blocking skills.
I've seen the Boldin comparison often. There are definitely similarities. I'd say Q in his prime was a bit more dangerous after the catch.

Interestingly, both of those guys have a quarterback background. Harper started out as a dual threat QB at Oregon before transferring.

 
Great post. Haven't look at Harper at all. And it isn't like Harper has to bull his way up an elite depth chart like Green Bay here. He has a bunch of question marks over him, all player that haven't really stood out on Seattle.

 
On the surface I agree with all 3 guys as being good value.

Boyce dropped in the NFL draft because he's not fully healthy. Of the 3 mentioned in this group I think he's got the best chance to win a usable role in year one due to the competition. The other two are more or less holds for next season and/or handcuffe type guys this upcoming season, at least in my opinion.

I've completed 3 drafts. Boyce was highest picked of this group in 2 of them and second highest in the next. Ranged from late second to late third in the 3 drafts.

Patton was highest picked in one and second picked in the 3 drafts. He's gone in the third round of every draft.

I just picked Harper a few hours ago at pick 4.9 and that's the first time anyone has picked him and the other two drafts are done so if you like him he seems like the extreme value play. I expect nothing out of him this upcoming season unless the Seahawks pull a stunner and release Rice-whose guarantees ran out in his pay last year. But going forward Tate is a FA in 2014 and Rice carries a big annual salary which could be addressed anytime but certainly prior to 2015 season. So some reasons to be optimistic about Harper in 2014. Also one thing you did not mention about him is he's smart, 33 on the wonderlic. That probably has no correlation to WR value or play but does not hurt either.

 
I just picked Harper a few hours ago at pick 4.9 and that's the first time anyone has picked him and the other two drafts are done so if you like him he seems like the extreme value play. I expect nothing out of him this upcoming season unless the Seahawks pull a stunner and release Rice-whose guarantees ran out in his pay last year. But going forward Tate is a FA in 2014 and Rice carries a big annual salary which could be addressed anytime but certainly prior to 2015 season. So some reasons to be optimistic about Harper in 2014. Also one thing you did not mention about him is he's smart, 33 on the wonderlic. That probably has no correlation to WR value or play but does not hurt either.
His value is all over the map. He went in the 2nd round of two HyperActive drafts, but was completely undrafted in another.

 
MAC_32 said:
I like the potential of the 4th round guys, but the real steals were found in round 3 imho. It's why I was beating the wait on WR drum pre draft. Incredible depth in this class and the top of it outside of Austin just isn't worth the risk.
I like Wheaton a bit, but am not too high on Goodwin, Williams, or Bailey.
Same here. I was initially very high on this WR class and have since cooled on them quite a bit. My top eight are Austin, Patterson, Hopkins, Hunter, Woods, Allen, Wheaton and Boyce. Still a very good bunch, but I'm not high on Dobson, Bailey, Williams and Goodwin as 2nd/3rd rounders.

 
Just traded a 2015 3rd for Chris Harper (5.1).

I feel that by the time I could actually use that pick, Harper's value will be starting to mature and he could be worth much more than that.

 
My 4th round might be a bit deeper than most due to 16 teams in my league, but I just picked up Mark Harrison at 4.08 and Charles Johnson at 4.11, both as long term guys obviously. Not much left for WRs except Corey Fuller, Kenny Stills, and Chris Harper, then a whole tier of guys below that.

 
http://youtu.be/2a2C1qFZCjk

Patton vs one of the best CB in this years draft Will Davis. He really reminds me of a little less athletic Reggie Wayne. I already showed you the Texas A&M cut up. You're still missing the boat on this guy! In the right situation he'd catch 80-90 passes for 1000+ this year.

Love Boyce as well. The Harper pick reminds me of them reaching for Chris Durahm. Sea has better WR's near the same height. I see the hope but not really.

 
Harper isn't anything like Durham, though.
In terms of reaching for a nice physical profile with mediocre performance in the 4th round?
Jumbotron doesn't have much in common with Durham.

Durham is a tall, stringy build. Harper is built lower to the ground.

Harper wasn't a prolific college receiver, but he improved every season and finished strong. I'm sure he would've had much better numbers without Collin Klein at QB. It's funny to watch his game cuts and see him getting more and more frustrated with each errant pass.

You could make a pretty hilarious blooper reel of all the wide open throws Klein missed followed by Harper's pouting. A couple good examples:

http://youtu.be/trVKhJt7MkM?t=3m21s

http://youtu.be/trVKhJt7MkM?t=5m52s

 
Harper isn't anything like Durham, though.
In terms of reaching for a nice physical profile with mediocre performance in the 4th round?
Jumbotron doesn't have much in common with Durham.

Durham is a tall, stringy build. Harper is built lower to the ground.

Harper wasn't a prolific college receiver, but he improved every season and finished strong. I'm sure he would've had much better numbers without Collin Klein at QB. It's funny to watch his game cuts and see him getting more and more frustrated with each errant pass.

You could make a pretty hilarious blooper reel of all the wide open throws Klein missed followed by Harper's pouting. A couple good examples:

http://youtu.be/trVKhJt7MkM?t=3m21s

http://youtu.be/trVKhJt7MkM?t=5m52s
Im not saying that have anything in common. Nevermind that thought. They should just call BMW back.
 
I've been grabbing Aaron Mellette in nearly every draft that I've been in, usually in the 4th round. He was dominant at the FCS level over the past three seasons, and while that isn't always the most ringing endorsement, I believe that his skills will translate to the NFL level.

The #2 receiver spot in Baltimore is wide open, and Jacoby Jones, Tommy Streeter, and Tandon Doss don't scare me. I fully expect Mellette to be the pre-season standout for the the Ravens, and eventually (sometime this season, or by the beginning of next season), he'll be a starter.

 
I've been grabbing Aaron Mellette in nearly every draft that I've been in, usually in the 4th round. He was dominant at the FCS level over the past three seasons, and while that isn't always the most ringing endorsement, I believe that his skills will translate to the NFL level.

The #2 receiver spot in Baltimore is wide open, and Jacoby Jones, Tommy Streeter, and Tandon Doss don't scare me. I fully expect Mellette to be the pre-season standout for the the Ravens, and eventually (sometime this season, or by the beginning of next season), he'll be a starter.
He's a great target after Harper, Fuller, King, and Harrison are gone. I had him rated relatively close to Dobson before the draft.

 
After sling back put of the 1.1 I now have reshuffled my draft slots to 11, 15, 26, and 30. I am liking the depth at hideout in those spots.

Who is a "shoot for the moon" wideout with adp between 20 and 30?

 
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After sling back put of the 1.1 I now have reshuffled my draft slots to 11, 15, 26, and 30. I am liking the depth at hideout in those spots.Who is a "shoot for the moon" wideout with adp between 20 and 30?
Rogers. If you want a little bit safer, Dobson, but I think Rogers is a better talent.

Edit: both of these guys seem to be going higher than 20 these days.

 
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After sling back put of the 1.1 I now have reshuffled my draft slots to 11, 15, 26, and 30. I am liking the depth at hideout in those spots.Who is a "shoot for the moon" wideout with adp between 20 and 30?
I'd go with Harper or Boyce in that range. Boyce is more likely to make an immediate impact. Harper might have a higher FF ceiling.

 
Hey EBF, great stuff, Patton was rated in the top5 before the draft. He is on a great team that won't need him for a year or two, I don't like to wait on WRs so I would rather trade for him after his rookie year...unless you have deep rosters. Most of my leagues are 20-24 players, I know you compete in leagues with much larger rosters and if I had a 30 man roster I might hold on to him. With Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham, and 2nd year AJ Jenkins ahead of him...it's gonna be a while before he starts but I do like him and he will find his way in the NFL one way or the other.

 
I agree MOP. I play in two leagues both are 24 man rosters.

Looking through my redraft Pro Football Weekly issue, Harper was rated as the third "z" or "west coast" receiver behind Patterson andin Keenan Allen (respectively) and ahead of Hopkins and Dobson, who rounded out the top 5.

 
http://youtu.be/2a2C1qFZCjk

Patton vs one of the best CB in this years draft Will Davis. He really reminds me of a little less athletic Reggie Wayne. I already showed you the Texas A&M cut up. You're still missing the boat on this guy! In the right situation he'd catch 80-90 passes for 1000+ this year.

Love Boyce as well. The Harper pick reminds me of them reaching for Chris Durahm. Sea has better WR's near the same height. I see the hope but not really.
Will Davis looks like a real nice player
 
http://youtu.be/2a2C1qFZCjk

Patton vs one of the best CB in this years draft Will Davis. He really reminds me of a little less athletic Reggie Wayne. I already showed you the Texas A&M cut up. You're still missing the boat on this guy! In the right situation he'd catch 80-90 passes for 1000+ this year.

Love Boyce as well. The Harper pick reminds me of them reaching for Chris Durahm. Sea has better WR's near the same height. I see the hope but not really.
Will Davis looks like a real nice player
Yea Miami is set for a while at CB with Davis and Taylor who they got in the second.
 
I like all 3 guys but they are going fairly early. I find Dobson to me is better value at this point. He went pick 18 to Boyce 23 in recent draft.

I bet they sounded alot like last year. 2nd and 3rd round WR's in one of my heavy WR leagues

17 Broyles

18 Jenkins

19 Sanu

23 Toon

24 Givens

26 Jojnes

29 Childs

31 Wylie

34 Bravil

36 Benjamin

42 Criner

And how is the value of each of these guys now. In a years time I would expect 2 of the 3 guys listed by EBF as no better than Givens and more than likely had on the cheap

 
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I like all 3 guys but they are going fairly early. I find Dobson to me is better value at this point. He went pick 18 to Boyce 23 in recent draft. I bet they sounded alot like last year. 2nd and 3rd round WR's in one of my heavy WR leagues 17 Broyles18 Jenkins19 Sanu23 Toon24 Givens26 Jojnes29 Childs31 Wylie34 Bravil36 Benjamin42 Criner And how is the value of each of these guys now. In a years time I would expect 2 of the 3 guys listed by EBF as no better than Givens and more than likely had on the cheap
I agree with this competely. Probably won't be much here. What percentage of collegiate athletes actually even survives more than a few years in the NFL? But I think they guys are as good a bets as any. My approach this season, considering this is a weaker class for FF players, was to trade back. I've now done it 4 times from the number 1 pick. I have loaded 3 extra firsts into next season, added Darren McFadden and I don't pick until the 15th overall pick. Then I have three picks between 15 and 30. I am going to basically go with who was drafted highest in NFL terms with the first two. I am hoping Eifert slides to me. If he doesn't, I am going to basically slot the players in terms of NFL draft position and take the BPA. My team is not overwhelming at WR so I am probably just going to snag the top 3. And see what shakes out the other end. Last season I was able to get Givens and TY Hilton out of free agency (24 man rosters / 10 teams). I don't expect more the 1 or two of the guys drafted outside the top 10 to be even on that level. In fact, in this class I expect maybe 3 or 4 viable fantasy starters from the whole crop. I'm concerned about Austin and Patterson, let alone Boyce and Patton. I think a shotgun approach is the best way to go here if you want to try and hit on a wideout. Most will wash out pretty quickly methinks.

Remember this was considered a weak class going in. No amount of perceived situational opportunity or post draft spin is going to change the fact that this was a sub-par group going in. Sometimes if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's simply a duck.

 
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Great post. Haven't look at Harper at all. And it isn't like Harper has to bull his way up an elite depth chart like Green Bay here. He has a bunch of question marks over him, all player that haven't really stood out on Seattle.
For a couple years, I've considered Seattle a place with a WR void. Now, they got a little deeper with the addition of Harvin and Green Bay shallower with the loss of Jennings; So, they have Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice (finally getting fully healthy?), Golden Tate, and Doug Baldwin in the mix on a run first team with Wilson running as well.

I'm not thrilled... Now, if they could turn Harper in a TE...

 
DropKick said:
Great post. Haven't look at Harper at all. And it isn't like Harper has to bull his way up an elite depth chart like Green Bay here. He has a bunch of question marks over him, all player that haven't really stood out on Seattle.
For a couple years, I've considered Seattle a place with a WR void. Now, they got a little deeper with the addition of Harvin and Green Bay shallower with the loss of Jennings; So, they have Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice (finally getting fully healthy?), Golden Tate, and Doug Baldwin in the mix on a run first team with Wilson running as well.

I'm not thrilled... Now, if they could turn Harper in a TE...
I forgot about Harvin. He's a great player and he'll be a target hog there, but they still need other options.

I don't view Baldwin or Tate as significant roadblocks. Rice is talented, but brittle and overpaid. Three years left on his deal. Maybe he sees it out. Maybe not.

Either way, the cream rises and I like the prospect of getting one of Wilson's top targets. I think he has the look of a QB like Manning/Brees/Rodgers who can sustain multiple viable FF options.

 
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me can answer this - why is Boyce considered just a slot receiver and unable to play outside when Cecil Shorts is nearly identical to him physically?

 
Dunno. Harper is interesting I guess, but it's hard to be that gaga over his workout numbers (as some seem to be) when his team-mate Luke Willson was drafted a round later:

Which is more impressive:

6'5", 251 running a 4.5 40 and 7.0 3 cone, with a 38" vert and 23 reps

or a 6"1" 229 pounder running at roughly the same times, a 35.5" vert and 20 reps

I'm not saying Harper can't be great, I'm just saying his workout numbers are good, not spectacular.

 
Dunno. Harper is interesting I guess, but it's hard to be that gaga over his workout numbers (as some seem to be) when his team-mate Luke Willson was drafted a round later:

Which is more impressive:

6'5", 251 running a 4.5 40 and 7.0 3 cone, with a 38" vert and 23 reps

or a 6"1" 229 pounder running at roughly the same times, a 35.5" vert and 20 reps

I'm not saying Harper can't be great, I'm just saying his workout numbers are good, not spectacular.
If you go by the workout numbers, Stephen Hill and Jerome Simpson should be in the Pro Bowl.

It's not quite that simple though. The numbers don't fully capture real movement skills and they say nothing about football ability like catching the ball.

As far as Harper goes, I have one concern about his game: he doesn't have a great initial burst. Slow 10 yard split in his 40 and not consistently quick out of his cuts and plants. He also had a disappointing broad jump for a 6'+ athlete with a mark of just 9'8". Separating from tight coverage could be a bit of an issue.

Beyond that, he has the traits you want in a #1 receiver. Pretty good speed. Very big frame with rare size/strength. Good vertical leap. Big catch radius and excellent hands. He attacks the ball away from his body and catches everything that he gets his hands on. Although I already expressed some concerns about his initial explosiveness, he shows flashes of good quickness. His three cone time at the combine was good and you can see examples of good route running/mobility in his game cuts:

Play #1

Play #2

A big play for good measure

He's not just some lumbering oaf. He has some real quickness and YAC potential. Of the 2nd-3rd tier rookie WR prospects in this draft, Harper is one of the very few who I can envision becoming a target hog in the NFL. He has the right kind of frame and playing style to become a reception machine. Pair him with a rising star at QB like Russell Wilson and I think the potential is pretty exciting. I wouldn't give up a 1st round rookie pick to get him, but I think he's well worth the cost of a 2nd. He's been falling into the 3rd-4th in a lot of drafts that I've seen, so you can get a great price on him.

It doesn't mean much yet, but the early buzz has been positive:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/05/14/2596200/seahawks-rookies-could-make-impact.html

After three days of watching draft picks play touch football in their skivvies, the question arose: Which of the rookies the Seattle Seahawks drafted will be the one to have the most immediate impact?The answer requires premature speculation based on limited evidence and an ignorance of the many unforeseen variables that can affect the outcome over time.

So, you know, the kind of stuff we do here.

Last year at this time, coach Pete Carroll announced that rookie third-rounder Russell Wilson was being tossed into a three-man battle for the starting quarterback job. How many fans’ optic nerves were damaged by the massive eye-rolls that generated?

Turned out OK, right?

So, we should first note the players that Carroll mentioned as guys ready to be thrown into position competitions — receiver Chris Harper, tight end Luke Willson and cornerback Tharold Simon. Similar comments were made about the two drafted defensive tackles, Jordan Hill and Jesse Williams.

But a big part of making an impact this season is getting the best chance to see action. Running backs Christine Michael and Spencer Ware could earn spot duty, but Marshawn Lynch isn’t likely to be dethroned as the franchise back.

Willson will be the fastest of the tight ends, but veteran Zach Miller will remain the workhorse after his versatility and toughness were re-emphasized in the playoffs a season ago. Simon, too, has physical gifts but is in a fairly deep stack of cornerbacks and Hill looks like he can earn a place in the rotation of big guys in the middle of the defensive line.

But one guy has the best chance to get on the field and start scoring touchdowns in a hurry.

At 6-foot-1, 234 pounds, Harper is different than Seahawks receivers in the past. He’s a converted quarterback who started out at Oregon and transferred to Kansas State, so he’s still learning the position, which was probably why he was available in the fourth round of this year’s NFL draft.

But Harper has shown he can get separation from coverage with his strength, and he turns into a running back after the catch. He caught two deep touchdowns during rookie minicamp, one at full speed over the shoulder and another in which he had to dive to reach the ball to the end zone.

“He can really catch it … he’s a big, solid dude, like we thought,” Carroll said. “I don’t think there’s any ball that he’s out of; if he’s got his hands on it, he can catch it.”

And here’s the key phrase from Carroll: “He’ll be competing; he’ll be right in there. We will not hesitate to throw him in. There’s a case of a guy who, right away, early on, he’ll go right in with the first group.”

Harper will benefit from having five active receivers for most games, and the likely appeal of being a big, fast guy on special teams.

At least in terms of body-type, some have compared Harper to Anquan Boldin. Boldin has made three Pro Bowls and is respected for his toughness and durability. It’s fair to point out that Harper is 14 pounds heavier than Boldin, yet has much better sprint speed, clocking a 4.5 in the 40 compared to Boldin’s 4.7 at his combine.
Get on the bus. :banned:

 
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Harper =Greg Little. (and I'm not saying that is terrible). Anytime you have these guys that are "still learning the position" and "becomes a RB with the ball in his hands", it means two things:

1. They don't have WR hand and body adjustment

2. They don't know (yet) how to flow in their run like a WR.

So, all in all, they are a player playing out of position. There is nothing wrong with waiting on a player to come around but that player better be exceptionally talented because, otherwise, they become an expendable 26 year old by the time you can use them and in almost any draft, any NFL team can find a 21 year old full-time WR to fall in love with.

We sometime become all wrapped up when someone says "look at how physical this guy is...he's a Wr that runs like a RB once he gets the ball in his hands". We need to stop and remember how long that takes to develop before we invest in it.

If I squint my eyes, I can imagine Harper as Hines Ward. But I have to remember that it took 4 years for Ward to ever do anything and then when he did, he was very good, not a steal of a dynasty stash. Would I wait until 2016 on Harper? Don't know.

 
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Harper =Greg Little.
Two very different athletes. Harper is more fluid. Also catches the ball a lot better.

Anquan Boldin played QB in college. He hit the ground running from day one in the NFL.

Harper hasn't been a QB for three years. He turned the corner last year as a WR, netting 50+ receiving yards in 10 of his last 11 games.

I wouldn't say his learning curve will be any steeper than the typical rookie WR. Maybe less so since he has a standout trait that will give him an edge from day one (size).

 
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Don't get the Harper (pick 123) love.

Looks like Jason Avant (109), Marcus Smith (106), Niles Paul (155) or Josh Morgan (174) to me, and the draft positions are pretty similar as well.

 
Don't get the Harper (pick 123) love.

Looks like Jason Avant (109), Marcus Smith (106), Niles Paul (155) or Josh Morgan (174) to me, and the draft positions are pretty similar as well.
He might not end up being a great pro, but I think he's got a lot more upside than those comparisons would indicate.

There are key differences between him and a lot of those players. Morgan was never remotely productive in college. Marcus Smith was a combine disaster with a 26.5" vertical leap and 9'3" broad jump. Avant was more explosive in the jumps, but slower (4.62 at his pro day compared to 4.45 for Harper) and much smaller (28.4 vs. 30.5 BMI). Paul is similar in a lot of respects on paper, but that's one guy and he was drafted a round later.

I like to read your stuff, but I think your approach has a lot of weaknesses. For one thing, I don't think it's well-equipped to handle unique players with exceptional traits. Pick any successful "big" NFL receiver and he'll probably trump Harper in terms of 40/vertical/broad jump and some other explosiveness metrics, but I'd argue that Harper's numbers should be adjusted to account for his off-the-charts size. The typical "big" NFL receiver like Marshall, Julio, Fitzgerald, or Thomas has a BMI in the 27.5-28.5 range. Harper has a 30.5 BMI, which is more in line with a running back or tight end. When you frame his numbers in that context, they're more agreeable. For example...

Player - 40 / vertical / broad jump / three cone

Chris Harper (30.5 BMI) - 4.50 / 35.5" / 9'8" / 6.89

Jimmy Graham (29.9 BMI) - 4.53 / 38.5" / 10'0" / 6.90

Tyler Eifert (29.3 BMI) - 4.65 / 35.5" / 9'11" / 6.92

Harper's numbers aren't tremendous for a WR, but they're roughly on par with what you'd expect from an elite athlete at the TE position (and Harper is actually heavier than the typical receiving TE). It's debatable whether a player with TE size/athleticism is desirable at the WR position. The bigger point here is that expectations for what constitute "good" workout numbers should be adjusted based on the player's size. A sliding scale approach would be more forgiving of an XXL sized receiver like Harper than a system that lines him up directly against XL receivers like Dez, Fitzgerald, and Nicks. He's not as fast or explosive as those guys, but he's a lot bigger and that could presumably have some kind of major functional benefit.

Putting the measurables aside and looking at the stats, I think there are many explanations for Harper's modest statistical output. He didn't play WR until he transferred to Kansas State. His QB had good passing stats on paper, but when you watch Harper's game cuts you see Klein missing wide open throws. Every player is going to suffer from some of that, but some players are going to have it worse. Based on the games I've been able to watch, Harper was a frequent victim of bad QB play. Then there's the fact that Kansas State ranked 89th among all college programs in passing yards. Harper only had 857 yards last season, but that represents 33.6% of Kansas State's total. Compare that percentage with the top WRs drafted:

Chris Harper - 33.6%

Tavon Austin - 31.5%

DeAndre Hopkins - 36.6%

Cordarrelle Patterson - 20.5%

Justin Hunter - 28.6%

Robert Woods - 23.7%

Aaron Dobson - 15.5%

Markus Wheaton - 32.8%

Marquise Goodwin - 10.7%

Terrance Williams - 43.2%

Stedman Bailey - 39.6%

Josh Boyce - 31.0%

Quinton Patton - 33.1%

Average - 28.9%

Harper had a bigger chunk of his team's pie than the typical high pick WR this year. To me this suggests that his production was actually quite good and that his volume numbers would have been better if he had played for a pass-happy team like West Virginia, Baylor, or Louisiana Tech. Not a single WR on this list played in a passing attack less productive than Kansas State's. I also like the fact that Harper showed steady improvement, peaking as a senior. Not only did he have the best reception/yardage/YPC numbers of his career as a senior, but he also got better as the year went on. He had 650 receiving yards in his last 8 games, which equates to 1300 yards over a 16 game NFL season.

I wouldn't say that Harper is a lock prospect. He might be missing a couple key things and no fourth round pick should ever be considered a surefire premium talent. On the flipside, I think he's exactly the kind of player who would slip through the cracks of a formula-based approach that isn't sufficiently nuanced to quantify unconventional packages.

 
If Harper hits, he could be a beast. And absolute beast. I don't get that feeling from guys like Steadman Bailey or Josh Boyce. His chances may be slightly less, but his upside is crazy. I think Boldin is a very good comparison.

 
Harper =Greg Little. (and I'm not saying that is terrible). Anytime you have these guys that are "still learning the position" and "becomes a RB with the ball in his hands", it means two things: 1. They don't have WR hand and body adjustment2. They don't know (yet) how to flow in their run like a WR. So, all in all, they are a player playing out of position. There is nothing wrong with waiting on a player to come around but that player better be exceptionally talented because, otherwise, they become an expendable 26 year old by the time you can use them and in almost any draft, any NFL team can find a 21 year old full-time WR to fall in love with. We sometime become all wrapped up when someone says "look at how physical this guy is...he's a Wr that runs like a RB once he gets the ball in his hands". We need to stop and remember how long that takes to develop before we invest in it. If I squint my eyes, I can imagine Harper as Hines Ward. But I have to remember that it took 4 years for Ward to ever do anything and then when he did, he was very good, not a steal of a dynasty stash. Would I wait until 2016 on Harper? Don't know.
Little's biggest flaw is that he can't catch the football. That is arguably Harper's greatest attribute, besides his size. That right there invalidates the comparison entirely.
 
Don't get the Harper (pick 123) love. Looks like Jason Avant (109), Marcus Smith (106), Niles Paul (155) or Josh Morgan (174) to me, and the draft positions are pretty similar as well.
I concede to EBF's response on this front, but I'll expand on one player: Niles Paul. Despite being drafted as a WR and THEN converted to TE, he has terrible hands. He's a great ST's player but his hands are worse than suspect so far in the NFL. That is a huge difference between he and Harper, and if he had great hands, with his size and athleticism, who knows how big a part of the Redskins explosive offense he could be. Alas, he is not gifted with the same great hands that Harper is.
 

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