What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

A-List Celebrity To Be Outed As A Sexual Predator (1 Viewer)

Ok cool, well the thing is, we normalized harassing behavior with Trump.  That's what started the reaction we are seeing now.   I believe this avalanche of harassment being brought to light is a reaction to the "Grab her by the #####" tape.  Not even so much the tape of Donald Trump admitting to sexual assault.  But the right's acceptance of it.  This isn't somebody eating grey poupon here.  This is a man bragging on tape about sexually assaulting a woman.  No amount of spin changes that.

He didn't say I'd like to grab her by the #####.  He said he does it.  And I've never known Trump to lie.  

 
Sabertooth said:
Ok cool, well the thing is, we normalized harassing behavior with Trump.  That's what started the reaction we are seeing now.   I believe this avalanche of harassment being brought to light is a reaction to the "Grab her by the #####" tape.  Not even so much the tape of Donald Trump admitting to sexual assault.  But the right's acceptance of it.  This isn't somebody eating grey poupon here.  This is a man bragging on tape about sexually assaulting a woman.  No amount of spin changes that.

He didn't say I'd like to grab her by the #####.  He said he does it.  And I've never known Trump to lie.  
Click to expand...
Tape is fake. Trump said so himself.

 
Sabertooth said:
Ok cool, well the thing is, we normalized harassing behavior with Trump.  That's what started the reaction we are seeing now.   I believe this avalanche of harassment being brought to light is a reaction to the "Grab her by the #####" tape.  Not even so much the tape of Donald Trump admitting to sexual assault.  But the right's acceptance of it.  This isn't somebody eating grey poupon here.  This is a man bragging on tape about sexually assaulting a woman.  No amount of spin changes that.

He didn't say I'd like to grab her by the #####.  He said he does it.  And I've never known Trump to lie.  
Click to expand...
so right...i wish HRC won so that all of these victims would have been able to suffer in silence for a few more years. 

 
El Floppo said:
can't disagree with that. 

but you don't see how many men would think that asking a woman to take off their shirt would then think that when she did, it implied it was all good to move on to the next steps up until she says to stop? 

I'm married, so my memory of this kind of "sex" stuff is fuzzy. 
Click to expand...
Yes, I think men (including myself) are totally whacked out when it comes to picking up women's signals. I think if a woman makes eye contact with me then she must want me. In the Lauer situation, there's no way he should take her complying with his request as consent when the facts seem to be that: he's in a superior position to her in the organization, the event is happening in the workplace, and he just locked the door. Maybe they had much more interaction before this event, but men should really assume that it takes more than "take your shirt off" to get a woman to want to have sex with you.

https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE

 
Sabertooth said:
Ok cool, well the thing is, we normalized harassing behavior with Trump.  That's what started the reaction we are seeing now.   I believe this avalanche of harassment being brought to light is a reaction to the "Grab her by the #####" tape.  Not even so much the tape of Donald Trump admitting to sexual assault.  But the right's acceptance of it.  This isn't somebody eating grey poupon here.  This is a man bragging on tape about sexually assaulting a woman.  No amount of spin changes that.

He didn't say I'd like to grab her by the #####.  He said he does it.  And I've never known Trump to lie.  
Click to expand...
So the Right's normalizing acceptance of Trump is causing women to accuse their lefty assaulters and that has something to do with MAGA right wing women not going back to the kitchen? Or something...I dunno.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
We are in the midst of a massive #### show in our country.....that keeps getting ####tier by the minute.

LOL!!

 
My 85 year old father reading the paper over breakfast this past weekend, speaking to no one in particular: "They say, 'Over 50% of women were sexually assaulted in high school.'  The other 50% wished they were!  HAHAHA!"

I'm pretty sure he's never flown a plane, though.

 
Sabertooth said:
Ok cool, well the thing is, we normalized harassing behavior with Trump.  That's what started the reaction we are seeing now.   I believe this avalanche of harassment being brought to light is a reaction to the "Grab her by the #####" tape.  Not even so much the tape of Donald Trump admitting to sexual assault.  But the right's acceptance of it.  This isn't somebody eating grey poupon here.  This is a man bragging on tape about sexually assaulting a woman.  No amount of spin changes that.

He didn't say I'd like to grab her by the #####.  He said he does it.  And I've never known Trump to lie.  
Click to expand...
How do you parse this what bill Clinton did?  Defenders of his said “oh it’s just a BJ, mind your business”.  This was a full 20 years before trump. 

 
Todem said:
We are in the midst of a massive #### show in our country.....that keeps getting ####tier by the minute.

LOL!!
Click to expand...
nothing about it is funny and loling at women coming forward about being sexually assaulted is pretty disgusting take that to the bank brohan 

 
jhib said:
My 85 year old father reading the paper over breakfast this past weekend, speaking to no one in particular: "They say, 'Over 50% of women were sexually assaulted in high school.'  The other 50% wished they were!  HAHAHA!"

I'm pretty sure he's never flown a plane, though.
Click to expand...
Neither has Wheels Up.

 
jhib said:
My 85 year old father reading the paper over breakfast this past weekend, speaking to no one in particular: "They say, 'Over 50% of women were sexually assaulted in high school.'  The other 50% wished they were!  HAHAHA!"

I'm pretty sure he's never flown a plane, though.
Click to expand...
Your father's math stinks. 

 
dgreen said:
Yes, I think men (including myself) are totally whacked out when it comes to picking up women's signals. I think if a woman makes eye contact with me then she must want me. In the Lauer situation, there's no way he should take her complying with his request as consent when the facts seem to be that: he's in a superior position to her in the organization, the event is happening in the workplace, and he just locked the door. Maybe they had much more interaction before this event, but men should really assume that it takes more than "take your shirt off" to get a woman to want to have sex with you.

https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE
Click to expand...
I figure when my wife's feet are around her head, she wants to have sex with me.

 
Smack Tripper said:
How do you parse this what bill Clinton did?  Defenders of his said “oh it’s just a BJ, mind your business”.  This was a full 20 years before trump. 
Click to expand...
I thought that we were told during the election that any Bill Cinton discussion was off the table, because this is hillary, not bill. lol

 
Andy Dufresne said:
So the Right's normalizing acceptance of Trump is causing women to accuse their lefty assaulters and that has something to do with MAGA right wing women not going back to the kitchen? Or something...I dunno.
Click to expand...
It doesn't matter if the rapist or harasser is R or D. The point is, like it or not, the misogyny displayed by the President may have emboldened women and men to come forward against their abusers. So I think Sabertooth has a valid point if you move past the MAGA/GOP comments.

Let me tell you, an abuse victim gives absolutely zero ####s about the party affiliation of an abuser.

 
glvsav37 said:
Smack Tripper said:
How do you parse this what bill Clinton did?  Defenders of his said “oh it’s just a BJ, mind your business”.  This was a full 20 years before trump. 
Click to expand...
I thought that we were told during the election that any Bill Cinton discussion was off the table, because this is hillary, not bill. lol
Click to expand...
So far as I'm aware, Monica Lewinsky established early on that her dalliance with Bill Clinton was consensual. Without researching, I want to say that she also admitted to being the initiator.

 
Sabertooth said:
No but I think it's a symptom.  Morals are gone.  They are just gone.   Racism is back en vogue, as is misogyny.  What did the MAGA folks think would happen?  Did they envision their women going back to the kitchen and making them a sandwich?  

It's all intertwined.  To act like it isn't is just willful ignorance.  
Click to expand...
No.

 
Doug B said:
So far as I'm aware, Monica Lewinsky established early on that her dalliance with Bill Clinton was consensual. Without researching, I want to say that she also admitted to being the initiator.
Click to expand...


Doesn't matter.  He was in a position of power.  Bosses just can't bang their employees because they come on to them.  (or receive Blowies.)

 
Last edited by a moderator:
SWC said:
nothing about it is funny and loling at women coming forward about being sexually assaulted is pretty disgusting take that to the bank brohan 
Click to expand...
I am not saying anything is funny about sexual assault at all bromingo. But the state of our country in general is sometimes laughable these days.

 
Scary times we’re living in. If you don’t agree with general consensus and instead question accusations, you’re now guilty of defending sexual predators?  Be careful, folks. We are all slowly setting precedent with how we are responding and reacting to all of these sexual harassment/misconduct allegations. Slippery slope for sure and be careful what you wish for. I have no clue if Lauer is guilty of any of these accusations but being caught on film making a remark doesn’t mean a thing. It’s not professional but how do any of us know what the work culture was on the Today show? Some of you interpreted his comment as obviously predatory but what if they all talked like that? Both men and women talking flirty and not hiding it? We don’t know what their working relationships and culture were like. I used to bartend and we all flirted with each other and said way more inappropriate things than what Lauer said. I’m not condoning unwanted predatory behavior as I was a victim of sexual abuse myself as a child. As a victim, I empathize with BOTH sides. Terrible for the women who were truly hurt and terrible for the men who are wrongly accused. We all play a role in how society moves forward from this. Choose your words and convictions wisely. 

 
Also, props to Wheels Up for sticking his neck out and risking his reputation while trying to caution people from judging too quickly. It’s pretty clear he is not condoning unwanted and predatory behavior. I applaud your efforts. It’s very difficult being the one person who has a different perspective and it takes bravery to speak your mind under that scenario. 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
I have no clue if Lauer is guilty of any of these accusations but being caught on film making a remark doesn’t mean a thing.
Click to expand...
I agree with your post. Note, however, that Lauer's remark to Vieira is a complete detour. It wasn't among the acts that got Lauer fired.

 
Doug B said:
I agree with your post. Note, however, that Lauer's remark to Vieira is a complete detour. It wasn't among the acts that got Lauer fired.
Click to expand...
That is my understanding as well but a lot of people seem to be using that as “proof” he is a perv.  Maybe he is a perv but that video doesn’t prove anything 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Also, props to Wheels Up for sticking his neck out and risking his reputation while trying to caution people from judging too quickly. It’s pretty clear he is not condoning unwanted and predatory behavior. I applaud your efforts. It’s very difficult being the one person who has a different perspective and it takes bravery to speak your mind under that scenario. 
Click to expand...
If we were only talking about lauer I'd agree. But he seems to be siding with the men in general and making the assumption that it's all the women who are coming out with fraudulent claims. If I'm wrong, that's not the argument I've seen today.

 
Hov34 said:
Doug B said:
So far as I'm aware, Monica Lewinsky established early on that her dalliance with Bill Clinton was consensual. Without researching, I want to say that she also admitted to being the initiator.
Click to expand...
Doesn't matter.  He was in a position of power.  Bosses just can't bang their employees because they come on to them.  (or receive Bowies.)
Click to expand...
You are correct. I maintain that there are categorical differences between ( a ) Bill Clinton's actions with Lewinsky and ( b ) Matt Lauer's actions, Harvey Weinstein's actions, Bill Cosby's actions, Roman Polanski's actions, and so on. Those differences are not absolutely exculpatory, but I think they can be treated as mitigating circumstances. Mitigating -- not absolving. Others' mileage may vary.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Scary times we’re living in. If you don’t agree with general consensus and instead question accusations, you’re now guilty of defending sexual predators?  Be careful, folks. We are all slowly setting precedent with how we are responding and reacting to all of these sexual harassment/misconduct allegations. Slippery slope for sure and be careful what you wish for. I have no clue if Lauer is guilty of any of these accusations but being caught on film making a remark doesn’t mean a thing. It’s not professional but how do any of us know what the work culture was on the Today show? Some of you interpreted his comment as obviously predatory but what if they all talked like that? Both men and women talking flirty and not hiding it? We don’t know what their working relationships and culture were like. I used to bartend and we all flirted with each other and said way more inappropriate things than what Lauer said. I’m not condoning unwanted predatory behavior as I was a victim of sexual abuse myself as a child. As a victim, I empathize with BOTH sides. Terrible for the women who were truly hurt and terrible for the men who are wrongly accused. We all play a role in how society moves forward from this. Choose your words and convictions wisely. 
Click to expand...
Agreed.

When it comes to Lauer though it is quite obvious he did something highly inappropriate. You don't get terminated from the highest rated morning news show making 30 plus MM a year without concrete proof and admittance of acting inappropriately. He even admitted to it and gave an apology. 

I am however questioning stories about Lauer that are piggybacking on this offense he was fired for. I am not so quick to judge things like that (piling on etc) at all.  

 
Last edited by a moderator:
glvsav37 said:
so right...i wish HRC won so that all of these victims would have been able to suffer in silence for a few more years. 
Click to expand...
I'm not saying that at all.  No, this is a good thing.  I have two daughters, I'd never let them work in an office with Trump or Franken. 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Also, props to Wheels Up for sticking his neck out and risking his reputation while trying to caution people from judging too quickly. It’s pretty clear he is not condoning unwanted and predatory behavior. I applaud your efforts. It’s very difficult being the one person who has a different perspective and it takes bravery to speak your mind under that scenario. 
Click to expand...
Yes, he's a hero.

 
Smack Tripper said:
How do you parse this what bill Clinton did?  Defenders of his said “oh it’s just a BJ, mind your business”.  This was a full 20 years before trump. 
Click to expand...
I'm a bit foggy on the details but did Monica say it was forced?  I always thought Bill's deal with Monica was consensual between two adults.  If it wasn't he should have been arrested because that's rape.  

 
El Floppo said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
Also, props to Wheels Up for sticking his neck out and risking his reputation while trying to caution people from judging too quickly. It’s pretty clear he is not condoning unwanted and predatory behavior. I applaud your efforts. It’s very difficult being the one person who has a different perspective and it takes bravery to speak your mind under that scenario. 
Click to expand...
If we were only talking about lauer I'd agree. But he seems to be siding with the men in general and making the assumption that it's all the women who are coming out with fraudulent claims. If I'm wrong, that's not the argument I've seen today.
Click to expand...
There's a balance to be struck somewhere on this issue. The participants in this thread seem to want it struck in different places along the spectrum, so to speak.

Your tims, Tobiases, roadkills, Hov34s, etc. want the balance in one spot. Me, Andy Dufresne, and some others prefer the balance in another spot. Rhythmdoctor and Wheels Up want it still elsewhere. There may be still more nuanced positions not yet expressed. Also, there are certainly people (of both sexes) who were fine with the pre-Anita Hill status quo.

 
El Floppo said:
If we were only talking about lauer I'd agree. But he seems to be siding with the men in general and making the assumption that it's all the women who are coming out with fraudulent claims. If I'm wrong, that's not the argument I've seen today.
Click to expand...
He’s been very clear from the beginning. I’m not going to look up his posts and re quote him though. 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
That is my understanding as well but a lot of people seem to be using that as “proof” he is a perv.  Maybe he is a perv but that video doesn’t prove anything 
Click to expand...
I agree it doesn't prove a thing but it very well could be a symptom of what was really going on with him.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Ministry of Pain
Caitlin Clark vs Angel Reese - "Burning Heart" in the Desert
5 6 7
Replies
305
Views
12K
Navin Johnson
N
Joe Bryant
Small Scale Farming - Anyone Into It?
2
Replies
67
Views
2K
Peggy
Peggy
Hastur
***Official Scam Thread***
Replies
46
Views
2K
BLOCKED_PUNT
BLOCKED_PUNT

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top