Leroy Hoard
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Why does it have to be the "dark" ages? And what does age have to do with it anyways?
something to do with the Caravan, i betWhy does it have to be the "dark" ages? And what does age have to do with it anyways?
Remember when people lost their #### over this Pete Davidson skit?You'll never find the apologists for PC culture like you will on this board, so why even discuss it, really? It'll just come back to the same old tropes about offending and race/gender/class/ethnicity garbage we always do. We know who the ninnies are. They've been told in many ways. They're still ninnies, unapologetically. They're like the unholy union between women's temperance unions and baptists at the turn of the century.
I have never considered the ICP crowd's depth of thought.I just don't get why young people aren't unplugging. Their community is lame, contrived, co-dependent, reactive, and gluttonously selfish & self-involved.
A great person does what the fire in their heart, the gift in their minds, their argument with the gods points them to do. They don't stop to ask "how'm i doin'?" every twelve seconds. They don't focus on their brands. Art is a prayer, but artists are Promethean. They steal fire from the gods and, if they get to light the fuse of their genius, being tied to a rock for the vultures to pick at their viscera for eternity is a fair price to pay for the chance that their candle brings forth an inferno. People with shoe collections, people who venture to know how much better one bitter beverage is than another, people who know the value of backsplashes and pursuers/purveyors/perpetuators of other minor masteries don't even know what art is. Art is being humbled by every synapse they can leap, metaphor they can cajole from the ether, connection they can forge in real time. Nothing less - courage is a genius these mere customers have foresaken.
To your point, I may have it wrong, but i thought the original ethos of ICP fans was to unplug, to not sellout no matter what. I just don't get why young people aren't unplugging. I feel about these pampered poofs as the great philosopher Allan Sherman did about the overstuffed Louis XVI in his analysis of the French Revolution:
You went the wrong way Old King Louis
Now we must put you on the shelf
The people are revolting, cuz Louis,
You're pretty revolting yourself!
It absolutely is going to overlap with the political element of sociopolitical, Sheik. You're not going to avoid that debate by positing what posted and having its premise taken as given. I think hagmania posted a similar topic to this about the death of comedic films and I responded with sentiments from Seinfeld and Chappelle saying the same thing and I think it was, in the end, dismissed as a reason. I think hags even called it "lazy analysis," though he was nice about it.
I'm not so sure. I think PC culture was Ricky Gervais's and Chappelle's last stand-up targets.
Gervais's last stand-up was all about the glee he took in deadnaming Bruce Jenner. Go ahead and do that in the political forum. All I did today was suggest separate bathrooms are good and the heat thenceforth was that I was ill, needed medication, and needed professional help for using the word "tranny."@rickygervais - Please stop saying "You can't joke about anything anymore". You can. You can joke about whatever the #### you like. And some people won't like it and they will tell you they don't like it. And then it's up to you whether you give a #### or not. And so on. It's a good system.
I hadn't even heard the skit nor the targets of it. I can see why they did, but they need to settle down on both sides of the aisle. I think it was the losing eye in "World War Whatever," he said with a shrug, that got people.
Gervais's last stand-up was all about the glee he took in deadnaming Bruce Jenner. Go ahead and do that in the political forum. All I did today was suggest separate bathrooms are good and the heat thenceforth was that I was ill, needed medication, and needed professional help for using the word "tranny."
Sorry, Gervais is right about it's up to you whether you give a #### or not, but the impulse is certainly there to shout it down, as Gervais well knows.
That is indeed, all I did. And people got really mad about bathrooms and my use of the word.That is not all you did.
A good friend of mine’s daughter was an incredibly talented artist and definitely marched to the beat of her own drum. She got accepted to an art school in England and was pursuing what to her was a life’s dream. At 18 years of age, just two weeks after arriving in England, she had an aneurysm and died.I just don't get why young people aren't unplugging. Their community is lame, contrived, co-dependent, reactive, and gluttonously selfish & self-involved.
A great person does what the fire in their heart, the gift in their minds, their argument with the gods points them to do. They don't stop to ask "how'm i doin'?" every twelve seconds.
Sums up the thread pretty well.[turns down KMFDM]
who’s this now?
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Hot take:Gervais's last stand-up was all about the glee he took in deadnaming Bruce Jenner. Go ahead and do that in the political forum. All I did today was suggest separate bathrooms are good and the heat thenceforth was that I was ill, needed medication, and needed professional help for using the word "tranny."
Sorry, Gervais is right about it's up to you whether you give a #### or not, but the impulse is certainly there to shout it down, as Gervais well knows.
You do realize that half of the things you listed pretty much cater to one demographic on the political spectrum, right?I agree, comedy films have been pretty bad. I think that’s more of an issue with the film industry as I think every genre has struggled the last 10 years. However the TV/streaming comedies have been good:
The Office, VEEP, Curb, Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, Community, Brooklyn 99, The Good Place, Schitts Creek, Silicon Valley, Orange is the New Black all come to mind as really funny and far ahead of the comedy films of the last 10 years.
Gervais can get away with it because he's a know. Sure, he can make edgy jokes and his career is still there. What happens if an up and coming comedian makes those same jokes? Twitter explodes, they call for his head and that's the end of his career. Because we all must have the same opinions and to stray from those opinions is wrong. So wrong, you don't deserve to continue your career.Gervais's last stand-up was all about the glee he took in deadnaming Bruce Jenner. Go ahead and do that in the political forum. All I did today was suggest separate bathrooms are good and the heat thenceforth was that I was ill, needed medication, and needed professional help for using the word "tranny."
Sorry, Gervais is right about it's up to you whether you give a #### or not, but the impulse is certainly there to shout it down, as Gervais well knows.
How so? And if it’s half that means the other half speaks to the other side which seems fair.You do realize that half of the things you listed pretty much cater to one demographic on the political spectrum, right?
Yup. And when you add in Daniel Tosh, Chad Daniels (who has used the "R" word several times on stage), Chappelle, etc....there's plenty of non-PC comedy out there.Anthony Jeselnik seems to be doing fine and he’s about as dark as it gets.
Is that the sides he means? PC vs non PC? Liberal vs Conservative is what I thought but not sure.Yup. And when you add in Daniel Tosh, Chad Daniels (who has used the "R" word several times on stage), Chappelle, etc....there's plenty of non-PC comedy out there.
Oy. I read the first page of it yesterday and went, "ok, i can backup my boyee RA lilbit after havin a spat in the Human Being Forum", but i couldnt wade my way thru the next 4 pgs even for world peace. hey, i want everybody to get to be who they are and still feel love & all, but i also wanna be able to think about their precious journeys the way i WANT to think.Gervais's last stand-up was all about the glee he took in deadnaming Bruce Jenner. Go ahead and do that in the political forum. All I did today was suggest separate bathrooms are good and the heat thenceforth was that I was ill, needed medication, and needed professional help for using the word "tranny."
Sorry, Gervais is right about it's up to you whether you give a #### or not, but the impulse is certainly there to shout it down, as Gervais well knows.
And here's where my point about anger comes in. Gervais and the like set themselves up for this stuff because they're making fun of what's on the tables in the temple instead of turning them over. No one's going after the puritanism that has evolved from the personal liberty movement. I don't care who ####s who where, i don't care what you got on under that or how you squat, but i STILL hate extravagantly effeminate men as much as i do steroidal rassleheads and soccer moms and want the right to savage them as much as i ever did. I want everybody to be secure in who they are sos i can can tear em a new one and see if anybody wants to #### THAT! I want everyone to be able walk a road, wide and clear, on the path to finding who they are but, the second they turn it into a parade, i'm bringin out the firehoses. If you got body art, if you do buzzcut, fancywhiskered, retroglasses or any other "i'm going to look different just like everybody else" bull####, ima have at you. Cuz its funny. nufcedGervais can get away with it because he's a know. Sure, he can make edgy jokes and his career is still there. What happens if an up and coming comedian makes those same jokes? Twitter explodes, they call for his head and that's the end of his career. Because we all must have the same opinions and to stray from those opinions is wrong. So wrong, you don't deserve to continue your career.
Heavens to Betsy, not the bathrooms!Yep. It's a knicker-bunched sort of knickerbocked culture. I agree. We already had to reckon with out PC culture in 2001 and we'll get further there as the madness of doubleplusungood language tweaks and non-gendered bathrooms are considered mecca for influential dolts.
I clutch pearls for a living, you know.Heavens to Betsy, not the bathrooms!
Small-time deep cut bands have just as many fans as they ever did before. Mainstream music has just as many haters as they ever did before. Probably more, really. Plenty of haters for Taylor Swift or Kanye or any of those other garbage mainstream music, and it's not like ripping on the Beatles or the Rolling Stones 40 years ago made you cool.We're living in the monoculture. There's only one way to feel about things. There's a right opinion and a wrong opinion. And you're either in or wrong. I think the most glaring obvious example is the movie Deadpool. Deadpool should only appeal to a narrow fraction of the audience. Only a few people should even get it. It's an inside-joke, for deep comic nerds. Yet everyone is filled in on how to "get it" and it's a billion dollar franchise. It shouldn't be. I'm not saying the movies aren't great, but, they are evidence of a singular pop-culture that everyone is funneled into.
I hear this is happening a lot with music. No one growing up now can be a fan of some small-time forgotten deep cut band. Everyone has to pull from the same catalog or be ostracized. There are certain mainstream acts you can't not like. Other mainstream acts you have to hate. But no one is getting pulled out of the long-tail or even listening to those tracks. Kids aren't allowed to have opinions and likes outside the singular generational pop culture history they're a part of and all have to share. It's not like some kids can grow up and like Floyd and other kids can grow up liking the Beatles. Now everyone has to be OK with Billie Eilish and understand who she is and support what she stands for and send death threats to anyone who fires off a bad take tweet about her.
Anyway, yeah, whatever reddit says is funny is funny and whatever meme a few influencers pick up becomes viral and everyone has to be in on the joke in under 24 hours. And if you dissent you're dead.
Hollywood is fairly liberal. I'd be surprised if you could name me a couple TV shows or movies right now where you see politics talked about where Democrats are being made fun of. Now, keep in mind, I'm an Independent who has voted Democrat more times than anything else in Presidential election years. So I'm not a Republican.I've always kind of thought that stand-up was basically a say anything for the joke, everyone knows going in that they might get made fun of so no one should take offense type medium. So yeah, I think it's kind of silly that people are getting blasted for things they say in stand-up sometimes now but then again the ones complaining/getting blasted about it seem to be making a bunch of money so I'm not really sure it's anything more than the vocal minority having a much larger platform than they used to in the past.
Regardless, "I can't enjoy a movie because I have to conform to a pre-determined view of it" is one of the silliest schticks I've seen.
if you stopped watching everything how do you know if anything has changed of if there is anything out there you like take that to the bank bromigoHollywood is fairly liberal. I'd be surprised if you could name me a couple TV shows or movies right now where you see politics talked about where Democrats are being made fun of. Now, keep in mind, I'm an Independent who has voted Democrat more times than anything else in Presidential election years. So I'm not a Republican.I've always kind of thought that stand-up was basically a say anything for the joke, everyone knows going in that they might get made fun of so no one should take offense type medium. So yeah, I think it's kind of silly that people are getting blasted for things they say in stand-up sometimes now but then again the ones complaining/getting blasted about it seem to be making a bunch of money so I'm not really sure it's anything more than the vocal minority having a much larger platform than they used to in the past.
Regardless, "I can't enjoy a movie because I have to conform to a pre-determined view of it" is one of the silliest schticks I've seen.
When I was growing up, there were probably only about 4 real political comedians. If that. Now, everyone pretty much has a take on why Republicans are evil and why Democrats are great. In fact, a lot of it isn't even comedy anymore. Look at SNL. They just have Baldwin saying things he makes up that sound racist and everyone howls with laughter going, "Oh yeah. That's funny because that's Trump." But it's not funny. That's not comedy. That's the equivalent to making a fart sound with your armpit and getting laughs.
After the 2016 election, I decided I would stop watching anything that tried to talk about politics that had no reason to. Since then, I've pretty much stopped watching everything. I'm guessing most of the people who are saying, "I don't think comedy has changed" or "I don't think Hollywood is one sided" probably are democrats. So from their view, everything seems great. But that's because your views are the views that are allowed. But if anyone differs from those, they are shunned and ridiculed.
So you can say it's silly shtick, but it's true.
Stick to what you call comedy, brohanif you stopped watching everything how do you know if anything has changed of if there is anything out there you like take that to the bank bromigo
ill do me and you keep on doing get off my lawn threads i guess take that to the bank brochachoStick to what you call comedy, brohanif you stopped watching everything how do you know if anything has changed of if there is anything out there you like take that to the bank bromigo
Sounds like a plan. No one ever gets bored with "You might be a redneck..." jokes.ill do me and you keep on doing get off my lawn threads i guess take that to the bank brochacho
your just kind of a grumpy guy huh well whatever i hope you have a good afternoon and that things pick up on your end brohan and i mean that take that to the bankSounds like a plan. No one ever gets bored with "You might be a redneck..." jokes.
I would say the key thing here, GB, is that I'm not saying things aren't funny now. Or that people don't find things funny. What I'm saying is we've narrowed down what can be funny. We're only allowed to say certain things. Now, to a lot of comedians credit, they are able to be very funny in that narrowed scope. This isn't about me being old and others being young. Young comedians who are coming up can't say the things that their idols before them did. And if they do, their careers are over. Thus, weeding them out and only allowing a certain type through to advance.all i can think of is this scene from Back to School
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiALXNKTNds
partly because of the "anger" angle that Wikkid brought up, partly because it involves Rodney Dangerfield who is old-line comedian and partly because it speaks to the "get off my lawn" nature of the line of thinking that comedy isn't funny anymore.
if comedy isn't funny anymore it's because what "it" is has changed from what "it" was when we were younger (assuming the demographic is largely the same here). my kids laugh riotously at things that i don't think are remotely funny. and they look at me cross-eyed when i tell obviously hilarious dad jokes that my dad was killing rooms with in the 70s and 80s. yes, kids are dumb, but they also change every 10 years or so.
previous generations have funneled things in the direction of "alright, enough with bullying, sexism, racism, etc. let's work on being good to each other". so now kids are more accepting, whether they actually understand the foundation of how it got here or not. that may be part of the lack of "anger" Wikkid is positing about.
i'd say comedy is born from pain, by and large. born from rejection or need for attention, from trying to defuse volatile situations, etc. Richard Pryor's entire comedy act was about pain. there wan't therapy for boys, there wasn't acceptance at school, parents didn't nurture and encourage as much even 40 years ago. if you were a weird kid that got picked on because he wore raggedy clothes and liked being in the school play, or whose dad beat the #### out of him because he was a drunk.. or whatever .. your audience for expressing hurt wasn't a counselor, a group of friends that would listen and accept you for who you were, teachers who had specialized training to deal, etc. you took your beatings like a man and shut everything down because that's what boys did.
so maybe you learned to be funny to keep the wolves at bay. or you learned to be cruel-funny to shut down the verbal attacks. or you were funny because nobody paid attention to anything you did or said unless you were cracking jokes. comedy for a long while, up until the 80s probably was vicious and angry. seething under the surface. acerbic and cutting if you paid attention.
i'm not old enough to address the Vaudeville stuff.. maybe it was mean, too
there's definitely more acceptance of what was considered "weird" or "outsider" not so long ago.. so maybe kids aren't channeling their angst and anger in to comedy as a form of expression in the same ways. it's now done in outlandish youtube videos that make no sense to 40 year olds. my kids will laugh riotously when they see a video of a kid pulling his sweatshirt up over his head, running in circles making random noises
*You'reyour just kind of a grumpy guy huh well whatever i hope you have a good afternoon and that things pick up on your end brohan and i mean that take that to the bank
yeah, and i think at least part of the reason for that is America decided we'd gone too far with the racism, sexism, violence against others, etc. so now everyone is less quick to attack "others". at least for now.I would say the key thing here, GB, is that I'm not saying things aren't funny now. Or that people don't find things funny. What I'm saying is we've narrowed down what can be funny. We're only allowed to say certain things. Now, to a lot of comedians credit, they are able to be very funny in that narrowed scope. This isn't about me being old and others being young. Young comedians who are coming up can't say the things that their idols before them did. And if they do, their careers are over. Thus, weeding them out and only allowing a certain type through to advance.
We all know what funny is. We all know what makes us laugh. The fact that we have to censor ourselves from making jokes because it might offend a small group of people is not good for the art. Comedy isn't painting. It's not sculpting. The whole basis of comedy is pushing the lines, stepping over the lines and sometimes crossing multiple lines. That's the humor. We need to laugh at ourselves. We need to not be so uptight that we are offended by jokes. But this isn't allowed anymore.
Exactly. And that's my point. I said right now the pendulum has swung all the way to the other far side. I think we'll eventually get back to understanding that comedy is meant to poke fun and can seem a little mean, when really it's just a mirror on ourselves. My whole argument was just that we've entered a dark ages, of sorts, for comedy. And I would say you agree since you're saying the same thing about the pendulum swinging.yeah, and i think at least part of the reason for that is America decided we'd gone too far with the racism, sexism, violence against others, etc. so now everyone is less quick to attack "others". at least for now.
nothing was off limits in the 80s. you could almost say anything. culture has changed. like a pendulum, what's acceptable shifts back and forth.
I don't think it is a career-killer (but definitely career-limiting). There are more avenues to put comedy out there than ever before now. Shane Gillis, for example, still has his podcast. While he won't get the exposure that he would have gotten on SNL, if his podcast is funny, word about it will spread and people will listen to it, and maybe he can get a breakthrough on his own terms.Gervais can get away with it because he's a know. Sure, he can make edgy jokes and his career is still there. What happens if an up and coming comedian makes those same jokes? Twitter explodes, they call for his head and that's the end of his career. Because we all must have the same opinions and to stray from those opinions is wrong. So wrong, you don't deserve to continue your career.
My wife and I talk about this all the time. It is literally eating itself alive. People want to be so offended that they are turning on their own. We watch Vanderpump Rules and everyone on that show is incredibly LGBT friendly. They celebrate the Gay Pride parade every season. This past season they had a transgender girl on and as soon as she got mad at the other staff members, she accused them all of being intolerant of the trans culture. My wife and I laughed so hard because they must have finally known what it was like for everyone else who has been falsely accused of being racist or intolerant of a culture. It's like the go to thing.It is interesting to watch the monoculture eat itself over Ellen. "You have to love everything she does OMG when she dances it's the best and she's so woke and perfect and everything she says is gold and if you disagree I'll cut you" and now "but he's a waaaaar criminaaaaal!!!!"
I’d suggest not watching Vanderpump.My wife and I talk about this all the time. It is literally eating itself alive. People want to be so offended that they are turning on their own. We watch Vanderpump Rules and everyone on that show is incredibly LGBT friendly. They celebrate the Gay Pride parade every season. This past season they had a transgender girl on and as soon as she got mad at the other staff members, she accused them all of being intolerant of the trans culture. My wife and I laughed so hard because they must have finally known what it was like for everyone else who has been falsely accused of being racist or intolerant of a culture. It's like the go to thing.
I do believe that will be what pushes us back towards the middle again. When the people who have spent years accusing others of being intolerant finally get accused themselves. That's when people will finally start to push back.
OkI’d suggest not watching Vanderpump.
Netflix has hundreds of comedy specials, we have smart political satire everywhere, a bunch of good comedies on HBO, Comedy Channel, etc. 100’s of podcasts.
In fact, now that I think about it, I might start finding the most PC people and just start accusing them of being intolerant to Muslims and Arabs. As soon as they say something I don't agree with, I'll just pull out the Race/Religion card. I'm going to try to personally single handily speed this whole pendulum swing up.My wife and I talk about this all the time. It is literally eating itself alive. People want to be so offended that they are turning on their own. We watch Vanderpump Rules and everyone on that show is incredibly LGBT friendly. They celebrate the Gay Pride parade every season. This past season they had a transgender girl on and as soon as she got mad at the other staff members, she accused them all of being intolerant of the trans culture. My wife and I laughed so hard because they must have finally known what it was like for everyone else who has been falsely accused of being racist or intolerant of a culture. It's like the go to thing.
I do believe that will be what pushes us back towards the middle again. When the people who have spent years accusing others of being intolerant finally get accused themselves. That's when people will finally start to push back.
Sure. This is exactly what I'd expect to hear from someone who hates Muslims. Take your hate elsewhere, racist.I’d suggest not watching Vanderpump.
Netflix has hundreds of comedy specials, we have smart political satire everywhere, a bunch of good comedies on HBO, Comedy Channel, etc. 100’s of podcasts.
You see now I just ignore this like people should do when something absurd is said.Sure. This is exactly what I'd expect to hear from someone who hates Muslims. Take your hate elsewhere, racist.
His last one was pretty damn good. Much better than the previous couple before that.You see now I just ignore this like people should do when something absurd is said.
What shortage of comedy and arts are you missing out on right now? Chapelle is cranking out hour comedy specials about this every couple months it seems, getting less and less funny in the process.
From what I can tell the monoculture represents about 20% of the population and from that 80% of the tweets come from 10% of the users. I don’t think the “monoculture” is really representative, just loud.It is interesting to watch the monoculture eat itself over Ellen. "You have to love everything she does OMG when she dances it's the best and she's so woke and perfect and everything she says is gold and if you disagree I'll cut you" and now "but he's a waaaaar criminaaaaal!!!!"
What? Because I'm a brown man?You see now I just ignore this like people should do when something absurd is said.
What shortage of comedy and arts are you missing out on right now? Chapelle is cranking out hour comedy specials about this every couple months it seems, getting less and less funny in the process.
Pretty meh I thought. Michael Jackson and Bill Cosby hole? Had some funny stuff I guess, even his C game is pretty good.His last one was pretty damn good. Much better than the previous couple before that.