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AFFL: FINANCIAL ISSUES AND CONCERNS (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter aerolaw
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Eric,I do believe that Lynn is the greatest fantasy player of all time. I know that Z probably disagrees, but we will let them hammer that out when Lynn's starts his own site.
Thanks for the feedback but we've beat that one to death. We're keeping the Shark Pool to NFL news and FF strategy. Just like we have since day 1. The FFA would make this a big joke and it's not a joking matter. This is the highest profile spot it can be where it will stay at the top. It's had a ton of interest today and Neil from AFFL has been participating as well. Jto placing this thread here.I have no ill will towards AFFL nor the participants that were effected. In fact, I genuinely hope it all works out to everyone's satisfaction. That said, sounds an awful lot like Carlo Ponzi, 2007 version.But the fact is I do play FF at other sites, and I would like to know about this sort of deal beforehand. The only reason I even came upon this thread is Team Legacy started a thread in the FFA, where the name of the site wasn't even mentioned. This sort of thing should be brought to the forefront, not buried in a "Looking for Leagues" forum.And big
to FBG staff for burying it here. Looks like there's been a pretty upfront and honest discussion here. Should be pinned at the very least, imo.
I'd like to thank Footballguys.com for allowing the very open discussion of the AFFL issue on their forum. I'm one of probably many FBG.com members hoping Neil can pay the winners...I won the AFFL Silver Contest . I've talked to Neil a couple times and believe he is truly trying to pay the winners and continue the AFFL game. Granted, I believe there were MAJOR errors in judgement AND businesss practices, but I'm willing to give him a week or so to try to resolve the problems. Unfortunately, if this issue is not resolved, the "back-eye" to our "fantasy world" could be significant...i.e. bad press, government "help", etc.
Hang in there Funnies. Guys like you are EXACTLY why I've devoted this much attention to this thread. J
Team Legacy
Footballguy
I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.broncofan13000
Footballguy
I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.
I feel for that guy. :hug:FantasyTrader
Footballguy
This is the guy I think about as well. The 100K winner and the 75K winner. I mean, that's a "life-changing" sum of money. To have won that amount of money and then potentially NOT winning that amount of money?I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....:speechless.
It makes me want to puke FOR the guy. That's stuff you lay in bed at night with the wife and dream about how you're going to spend it.
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The Ghost of Common
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I've been following this thread very closely as well, and I do not have a stake in the company.
I can say, that my company is venture-money backed and we are feeling the effects of the lending crunch as we speak. The deal we negotiated just 6-7 months ago, there is no doubt that we could NOT get this deal again today - infact we could not even get close to it.
While I hope this gets resolved for all. IF Neil pulls this off, it will be like pulling a rabbit out of a hat. There is a HUGE credit crunch right now and debt facilities are having trouble lending to companies who rep a POSITIVE cashflow, let alone someone who is in the swamp as AFFL appears to be financially. I understand your software is cutting edge and top-bill, but I just don't see this happening.
I'm also curious as to what type of lender is out there willing to pony up almost a mil over a fantasy football league hosting site. Our investors would laugh us out of the meeting if we ever came to them looking to make an investment in such a company. It just doesn't seem feasible in the corporate world of lending.
I could be way off because I don't have any behind the scenes knowledge. For Neil to represent it as a delay though is a problem for me as this is clearly NOT a delay. He IS trying to pull a rabbit out of his hat here to get everyone paid. As optimistic as he sounds, that's how he has to sound. Neil can't come here and say "Well, we are HOPING to secure financing by the end of February." He has to keep the clients sold on the idea that money is coming to them. I think even if he does secure a credit facility with an investor, there are limitations on how the money is spent in some situations. I can't see how they would allow you instant access to the cash and drain the fund almost immediately.
Not sure. No worries on FBG end of things - JB is the most honest dude that I've never met. They have no stake, and the forum moving isn't a big deal to me. This would turn into a giant mess in any other place.
I can say, that my company is venture-money backed and we are feeling the effects of the lending crunch as we speak. The deal we negotiated just 6-7 months ago, there is no doubt that we could NOT get this deal again today - infact we could not even get close to it.
While I hope this gets resolved for all. IF Neil pulls this off, it will be like pulling a rabbit out of a hat. There is a HUGE credit crunch right now and debt facilities are having trouble lending to companies who rep a POSITIVE cashflow, let alone someone who is in the swamp as AFFL appears to be financially. I understand your software is cutting edge and top-bill, but I just don't see this happening.
I'm also curious as to what type of lender is out there willing to pony up almost a mil over a fantasy football league hosting site. Our investors would laugh us out of the meeting if we ever came to them looking to make an investment in such a company. It just doesn't seem feasible in the corporate world of lending.
I could be way off because I don't have any behind the scenes knowledge. For Neil to represent it as a delay though is a problem for me as this is clearly NOT a delay. He IS trying to pull a rabbit out of his hat here to get everyone paid. As optimistic as he sounds, that's how he has to sound. Neil can't come here and say "Well, we are HOPING to secure financing by the end of February." He has to keep the clients sold on the idea that money is coming to them. I think even if he does secure a credit facility with an investor, there are limitations on how the money is spent in some situations. I can't see how they would allow you instant access to the cash and drain the fund almost immediately.
Not sure. No worries on FBG end of things - JB is the most honest dude that I've never met. They have no stake, and the forum moving isn't a big deal to me. This would turn into a giant mess in any other place.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
100k is not life changing money, but it sure would be horrible to think you've won that amount, then have it yanked away from you.This is the guy I think about as well. The 100K winner and the 75K winner. I mean, that's a "life-changing" sum of money. To have won that amount of money and then potentially NOT winning that amount of money?I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.It makes me want to puke FOR the guy. That's stuff you lay in bed at night with the wife and dream about how you're going to spend it.
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Squinting Cyclops
Footballguy
It would be more life changing for some than others. Think about the guy who make 25K a year. Imagine winning 4 times your annual salary, that would "change" almost anyone's life. For those who make six figures already, it would be significantly less life changing.100k is not life changing money, but it sure would be horrible to think you've won that amount, then have it yanked away from you.This is the guy I think about as well. The 100K winner and the 75K winner. I mean, that's a "life-changing" sum of money. To have won that amount of money and then potentially NOT winning that amount of money? :X It makes me want to puke FOR the guy. That's stuff you lay in bed at night with the wife and dream about how you're going to spend it.I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
You live a different life than I do. 100 grrr would change my life.100k is not life changing money, but it sure would be horrible to think you've won that amount, then have it yanked away from you.This is the guy I think about as well. The 100K winner and the 75K winner. I mean, that's a "life-changing" sum of money. To have won that amount of money and then potentially NOT winning that amount of money? :X It makes me want to puke FOR the guy. That's stuff you lay in bed at night with the wife and dream about how you're going to spend it.I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.
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FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Was this meant to answer my question about recreational cost? Cuz I'm stupid and them there's big words.
perry147
Footballguy
100k can change your life.You live a different life than I do. 100 grrr would change my life.100k is not life changing money, but it sure would be horrible to think you've won that amount, then have it yanked away from you.This is the guy I think about as well. The 100K winner and the 75K winner. I mean, that's a "life-changing" sum of money. To have won that amount of money and then potentially NOT winning that amount of money?I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.It makes me want to puke FOR the guy. That's stuff you lay in bed at night with the wife and dream about how you're going to spend it.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
For most, it would.100k is not life changing money, but it sure would be horrible to think you've won that amount, then have it yanked away from you.This is the guy I think about as well. The 100K winner and the 75K winner. I mean, that's a "life-changing" sum of money. To have won that amount of money and then potentially NOT winning that amount of money? :X It makes me want to puke FOR the guy. That's stuff you lay in bed at night with the wife and dream about how you're going to spend it.I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
A downpayment on a house after taxes isn't life changing to you? If this weasel owed me that kind of cake and had basically left me out to dry until after the Super Bowl, well, I'd....JohnnyU said:100k is not life changing money, but it sure would be horrible to think you've won that amount, then have it yanked away from you.FantasyTrader said:This is the guy I think about as well. The 100K winner and the 75K winner. I mean, that's a "life-changing" sum of money. To have won that amount of money and then potentially NOT winning that amount of money? :X It makes me want to puke FOR the guy. That's stuff you lay in bed at night with the wife and dream about how you're going to spend it.Team Legacy said:I'm not tooting my own horn here, but here's a point that is overlooked. 2 of the guys in the league that I won this year were past Grand Champions of the AFFL. (Mike Schulte and Lynn) It was hard enough surviving these two. The joy I felt was huge, knowing that I came out on top. To not get your check as reward is double the gut punch. My heart goes out to the big dogs in this contest. I am SOOO sympathetic for the guy who won the $100k I can't even IMAGINE what life must be like for him. His name on the Message Boards was Diesel but I'm unaware of his whereabouts. To tell your co-workers, employees, family and friends that you've won 100 grand is surely an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. To then tell them that the money was mismanaged and is now up in the air....
:speechless.
Ted's Cracked Head
Footballguy
As someone who HAS won 100K playing fantasy football and WAS paid immediately, I can say that it IS a life-changing amount of money. I can also say that the money was secondary to the experience itself and yes, that would have been ruined if I hadn't been paid or even if they said that they couldn't pay but were working on it. It is a shame that all of these players cannot "cash" in on their achievements and get closure.
For the good of all concerned I hope he finds an answer and makes his customers whole. Otherwise we may end up with an industry under scrutiny by a bunch of idiots in DC. That would be profoundly bad for us all and could undo years of groundwork laid by the leaders in this industry. They have sacrificed to no end to improve the quality of the game just so we can play. FBG is one of those leaders and thanks to them for giving the players a place to discuss issues this important. On that note who gives a poop where the thread is. I digress. The court battle won to define fantasy sports as games of skill was a like a door opening to let the air and light in. It made the games legitimate. I hope this "case" does not set back all of that work. Am I blowing this out of proportion, over reacting and raising a flag that is not there? I hope so.
For the good of all concerned I hope he finds an answer and makes his customers whole. Otherwise we may end up with an industry under scrutiny by a bunch of idiots in DC. That would be profoundly bad for us all and could undo years of groundwork laid by the leaders in this industry. They have sacrificed to no end to improve the quality of the game just so we can play. FBG is one of those leaders and thanks to them for giving the players a place to discuss issues this important. On that note who gives a poop where the thread is. I digress. The court battle won to define fantasy sports as games of skill was a like a door opening to let the air and light in. It made the games legitimate. I hope this "case" does not set back all of that work. Am I blowing this out of proportion, over reacting and raising a flag that is not there? I hope so.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Why don't you just let the situation play itself out for a few days? Are you gonna flame this thread every single day all day long in the meantime?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Joegood points as always but you are overlooking one major thing -Thanks Cobalt. What you describe is very true and that would be by far option #1 on the desirability scale for all of us.
I, too, appreciate Neil's efforts here. I surmise, however, that there are more effective ways and less effective ways of communicating situations like this to customers (past, present, future). And, it is my view--and perhaps only my view--that the *only* effective stance at this point is to be (a) apologetic beyond belief, (b) clear about the plan, and (c.) available to listen to the chirping, empathetic to (and understanding of) those concerns, and at no point EVER minimize the frustration(s) people feel. There has to be a willingness and patience to stand before the masses and take the legitimate--not personal, but legitimate--criticisms and demonstrate that you're invested in their frustrations and will do anything/everything to correct the problem.
I've seen a mixed picture out of AFFL, in this regard, thus far. I think it's ok to communicate that on some level.
But I think what some are not fully valuing is that what you describe is really one way to handle it.
Option #2 is very simply: Bail.
When you get past the tipping point of there being just too much crap to deal with and it'd be easier and more desirable to roll your dice with the courts, that's what people do.
And then nobody gets paid and the bankruptcy courts / lawyers can all figure it out. The only ones that benefit from that option are the attorneys involved.
Sadly, I see LOTS more of option #2 in the business world than I do option #1.
I'm sorry for sounding like a broken record but I think we all have a small part to play in keeping this headed toward Option #1.
J
as an atty along with the point #2 of bailing comes point #2A of criminal fraud charges - the facts in this case are clear that he accepted funds for the midseason contest knowing full well that he couldn't pay - too many companies hide behind bankruptcy laws and use it as a sword as it has been used in this thread by Neil - the victims have the law on their side too and it is criminal charges and restitution.
Let's not throw kudos at Neil for trying to avoid bankruptcy - he has already threatened it in this thread more than once - let's support the victims who are suffering from this fraud - and thats how I see it as a neutral observer - I hope the guy works it out but this whole thing reeks and it does not reek of poor management but fraudulent activity. The first hint of him threatening bankruptcy would have me on the phone with the Feds already - the guys that are owed money thus far have shown HUGE PATIENCE IMO = let's support them.
Good luck to all - I now have a reason to go into this ridiculous forum!
King of Queens
Footballguy
Yes, sorry I wasn't more clear -- I didn't want to cut and paste copyrighted material.Check out the highlighted sections of the book. There's a pretty good summary in there of recreational cost.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
If this guy declares Bankruptcy; that means he doesn't have to pay anyone anything... is that correct?
And if this type of stuff keeps happening over the years... there is no doubt that the Feb Government will put heavy limitations on events such as $$ Fantasy Football Leagues. Paypal already sees it as gambling and they are already searching FF ads to make sure you do not have the word "Paypal" in them. I know, they shutdown my account until I fixed one of mine last yr.
And if this type of stuff keeps happening over the years... there is no doubt that the Feb Government will put heavy limitations on events such as $$ Fantasy Football Leagues. Paypal already sees it as gambling and they are already searching FF ads to make sure you do not have the word "Paypal" in them. I know, they shutdown my account until I fixed one of mine last yr.
He would be protected from civil liability only. If he were to be charged criminally, which i think would clearly happen, if he were to be convicted or plea, restitution most likely would be a condition of any probation or sentence. And im guessing that if it is a plea, some type of meaningful downstroke would be required as an initial condition of probation. Thereafter, the probationary period hopefully would be long enough to enable a good portion of the the monies to be paid. If the probationary period were to end without full payment, and he wasnt violated for not paying, the remainder would turn into a civil judgment. Not sure such would be dischargeable in bankruptcy.One other item of interest.... you cannot discharge debts incurred by fraudulent means so i think that would be a huge issue were he to try bankruptcy, surely there would be an objection to discharge of this particular debt on that basis.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
aerolaw said:
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I could certianly be mistaken but I don't think individual instances of business mismanagement having any bearing on what the Feds will do. This has nothing to do with Fantasy Football being a game of skill.KellysHeroes said:
Sub prime mortgages down.
Good example of why this didn't go in the FFA. Some people think stuff like this is funny http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8232151
Lame.
J
Lame.
J
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AFFL guy,
If you built this supersonic league manager worth 850k and owe people oh I don't know 300k(?) why not sell the league manager to pay your debts?
I understand the thought of not wanting to sell the product that is a means to make income but if you clearly know how; after the sale build a new league manager, an even better one.
Just a thought
If you built this supersonic league manager worth 850k and owe people oh I don't know 300k(?) why not sell the league manager to pay your debts?
I understand the thought of not wanting to sell the product that is a means to make income but if you clearly know how; after the sale build a new league manager, an even better one.
Just a thought
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Unfortunately, the ethical option is often not a person's first, second, or third item on the list when times are desperate. I really have a bad feeling about how all of this is going to shake down. Mostly for those individuals to whom money is clearly owed. But, just to this community as a whole...it really sucks to know such irresponsible and unethical folks could be out there. Who knows, maybe (hopefully) I'm wrong. But, I don't like the feeling I get from this situation one bit.
Marty Booker Fan
Footballguy
What an absolutely crazy story this is after reading through this post. I really hope this gets straightened out soon, as there's a lot at stake in general for everyone who hasn't been paid.
This AFFL news is bad for fantasy football; most of all, of course, for those who had teams and "won" money. But non-payment of so public (and so pricey) a debt will deter more players from entering the high stakes field and slow the growth of this industry. I sincerely hope the winners get paid. In addition to those alternative high stakes FF contests listed above, I would suggest PAYDAY Sports as an excellent option. I've competed in PAYDAY's high-stakes contests for 3 years now and have won money and gotten paid each year.
Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
Neil, any update?
I've had some nice chats with the owner over there and heard some real good feedback. It does seem payday is a good place to play.Also Jeff Thomas of sportsbuff is someone I'd watch if you're looking for a new league. He had the most popular game in FF on the web, so popular no one will ever beat it(years ago, long story, great marketting idea). He sold his site and the dirtbag didn't pay the winners. Not only did he buy it back but he paid those winners out of his pocket even though he had nothing to do with it. Then started a site called Prize Lock for FFers to have their money locked up til the end of the season. Good idea but not many signed up to use it, think that site's gone now. Next he became president of FSTA. So if you're looking for a guarantee, Jeff is about as ironclad as it gets in this industry. I know alot alot ALOT of people that would say something similarly positive about him.He just bought another site, ProFantasySports, so I imagine more things will be up by the FF season too.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
You made the right decision not putting it in the FFA. They have a lot of laughs in that forum - but there's an appropriate time for FFA and appropraite subject matter for the FFA. This is not one of them.
Joe.. Putting that thread here was bush league ! Sorry Joe but I would of expected more from FBGs than that. People want to know about this as it is very important to the FF community.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Seriously... This forum never got so much attention this time of yr. I understand if it was in the SP... it would be about 20 pgs and over half of that people yelling "crook"... but so what, atleast those people are being heard.This thread is already slowing dying.The Moz said:
I give you Credit Joe for jumping in here what seems to be daily... and I give Neil a little credit for updating us every now and again.
What I will not give him credit is for waiting till a week or so after the payments were due and then inform the FF community as to what was going on.
I can not stress how awful it was of you to lead your customers into believing that everything was fine... you even held that Mid-Season Contest and collected more money from people when you must of known something was wrong... and when they win a couple of Grand; you inform that that their payment will be Delayed... which then turns out that those poor people are hoping that you get some Loan approved inorder for them to receive any money.
I will never play any league that has your name associated with it. You are the Devil in my eyes.
Rooster
Footballguy
Anything to report yet?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Not sure how active this thread needs to get. Nothing has changed or updated apparently. It would therefore seem that all posts would be basically along the same lines of "these guys are bad, these guys are going to jail, these guys should be given more time, I love Joe B, I hate Joe B, etc.". In the SP schtick would invariably seep in. A periodic bumping like this will keep it at the top (and therefore be seen on the front page of the forums).
Anyhow, figured I'd see if there was a status update since March 1st does loom. (I'm not a party of this - just watching like many of the rest of you).
-QG
Anyhow, figured I'd see if there was a status update since March 1st does loom. (I'm not a party of this - just watching like many of the rest of you).
-QG
Because nobody is going to pay 850K for a software package that they could custom build for 100K...
Digg.com was built on $30,000 and is worth millions today. Unfortunately, I don't think anybody is going to see any money. There is no way an investor is going to stick close to $1 MIL for software that they could build cheaper and already has a bad name attached to it. As a venture capitalist, there is absolutely no sign that I'd recover that cost, let alone make a profit. And there is no way I trust any money with a guy that made a critical business decision.I feel bad for the victims here, and this doesn't help the trust factor in the fantasy football community that held strong until now.
If I am a smart buyer for the software, I'd make sure there is a no complete clause in the sale. This probably isn't an option, but there are some dumb people out there.
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Just like you'll be paying out the winners eh? Here's a tip good bud, lying is considered perjury so you may want to break the habit before the feds have you by the short ones. It's because of guys like you that I won't open my wallet for more than one season at a time even for honorable business men like Dodds and Bryant.
