Almost 50% of Fans Want A New GM In Green Bay (1 Viewer)

[Phase of the Game]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I'd take him in Jacksonville in a heartbeat.

 

[JFT Ben]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

Thank god the fans don't make the decisions. Otherwise the Packers would be run like the Raiders (high priced FAs, changing coaches everyother year, dramatic overreaction, etc.). Fans are emotional and don't think logical... and TT is not a very personable fellow, if he was, he'd get a little more leeway from the fans.

 

[iSnitch]

Those fans don't know how lucky they are.

 

[w3junky]

I'd take him in Jacksonville in a heartbeat.

That's scary to hear. As Viking fan, I love to see him as the Packers GM!

 

[Phase of the Game]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

Thank god the fans don't make the decisions. Otherwise the Packers would be run like the Raiders (high priced FAs, changing coaches everyother year, dramatic overreaction, etc.). Fans are emotional and don't think logical... and TT is not a very personable fellow, if he was, he'd get a little more leeway from the fans.

Good point but I'm sure his sub .500 record and one playoff appearance in 4 years may have something to do with their votes.

 

[packersfan]

I think Thompson has had a very bad year and deserves to take major heat for the Packers' poor season and fall from being one of the league's elite teams to being one of the also rans. That said, it's too soon to replace him. Prior to this year, he had done well in a lot of respects. But I do think the lack of success this year begs the question of how good can Thompson make this team without Favre? The first year clearly has been a huge disaster and as badly as Thompson wanted Favre gone perhaps now he realizes what a significant advantage it was to have a Hall of Fame player (and last year's MVP runner-up) on his side.

What I'd like to see Thompson do is:

1. Draft better. He's drafted some good players but not many great ones. Not one of Thompson's draft picks thus far has been to a Pro Bowl. For a GM who believes most strongly in building through the draft, that lack of top-line talent is a major problem.

2. Be more aggressive. In this regard he's the anti-Ron Wolf. Where Ron Wolf seized every opportunity to improve his team regardless of the cost (trading a first-round pick for a third-strong QB comes immediately to mind), Thompson is far too passive. That has prevented his team from landing major talents each of the past two seasons.

3. Spend more in free agency. I'm not advocating throwing money around foolishly but you can make astute pickups in free agency without going the cheap route all the time. It's one thing to be frugal; it's another to avoid a potential area of team improvement almost exclusively the way Thompson has done.

If he can do these things, then perhaps the post-Favre era won't continue on its disappointing path.

 

[parasaurolophus]

if the packers lose to detroit, i would love to see that poll.

 

[Aaronstory]

1. Draft better. He's drafted some good players but not many great ones. Not one of Thompson's draft picks thus far has been to a Pro Bowl. For a GM who believes most strongly in building through the draft, that lack of top-line talent is a major problem.

Agree here, though it's pretty clear to me Jennings is a great player and Rodgers could be very good. Hawk and Harrell seem like huge misses at this point and everyone else is milquetoast.

 

[Aaronstory]

if the packers lose to detroit, i would love to see that poll.

In our podcast this week, we decided that game was going to be called "The Bailout Bowl".

 

[snogger]

Here is what I know..My Father In-law is currently more of a Jets fan than a Packer fan.. and we have had our about Packers vs. Vikings since I've known his daughter(21 years)... Now when I bring up Packers ... A family down the road use to have Packer colors outside their house as well as what they wear.. This year "Purple" A cousin was a die hard Packer fan.. Now, lukewarm towards the Packers but about the Jets.The way they shoved Favre out the door ticked off a lot of Packer fans.. My Father In-laws quote after Favre's trade this summer about sums it up:

I hate for Rodgers to have to fail as he seems like a nice guy. But nothing would make me happier than to have Thompson fall on his face for this move

..

 

[Sabertooth]

NFL Exec of the year in 2007. : People are idiots.

 

[sho nuff]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

Thank god the fans don't make the decisions. Otherwise the Packers would be run like the Raiders (high priced FAs, changing coaches everyother year, dramatic overreaction, etc.). Fans are emotional and don't think logical... and TT is not a very personable fellow, if he was, he'd get a little more leeway from the fans.

Good point but I'm sure his sub .500 record and one playoff appearance in 4 years may have something to do with their votes.

As it might have something to do with being a milwaukee publication.I think its some fallout from the Favre issue as well.

And while some want a Dlineman...I want an Olineman right now.

Tauscher out and possibly has played his last game in GB.

Clifton looks like a shell of what he was last year. And the middle has been a weakness too.

 

[beto]

haven't they been devastated by injuries and lost a bunch of close games? seems like overreaction

 

[sho nuff]

Here is what I know..My Father In-law is currently more of a Jets fan than a Packer fan.. and we have had our about Packers vs. Vikings since I've known his daughter(21 years)... Now when I bring up Packers ... A family down the road use to have Packer colors outside their house as well as what they wear.. This year "Purple" A cousin was a die hard Packer fan.. Now, lukewarm towards the Packers but about the Jets.The way they shoved Favre out the door ticked off a lot of Packer fans.. My Father In-laws quote after Favre's trade this summer about sums it up:

I hate for Rodgers to have to fail as he seems like a nice guy. But nothing would make me happier than to have Thompson fall on his face for this move

..

Sounds to me like several "Favre" fans and not many Packers fans.Anyone who would love to see Thompson just fall on his face over trading away a 39 year old QB are the same types that want to see the country fail so that Obama looks bad.Just a terrible view IMO.If you are a true Packer fan, you want to see Thompson and the team always do well wouldn't you?

 

[sho nuff]

haven't they been devastated by injuries and lost a bunch of close games? seems like overreaction

I would not say devastated. But hit hard in some key areas.And again, that does not totally excuse Thompson as he is the GM who is responsible for the backups being there too.

 

[sho nuff]

Though, I would also love to see a similar poll over the years with teams who are not doing well at the time.

Hell, not but a few years ago there were plenty of calls into local radio here wanting to get rid of Jeff Fisher.

 

[snogger]

Here is what I know..My Father In-law is currently more of a Jets fan than a Packer fan.. and we have had our about Packers vs. Vikings since I've known his daughter(21 years)... Now when I bring up Packers ... A family down the road use to have Packer colors outside their house as well as what they wear.. This year "Purple" A cousin was a die hard Packer fan.. Now, lukewarm towards the Packers but about the Jets.The way they shoved Favre out the door ticked off a lot of Packer fans.. My Father In-laws quote after Favre's trade this summer about sums it up:

I hate for Rodgers to have to fail as he seems like a nice guy. But nothing would make me happier than to have Thompson fall on his face for this move

..

Sounds to me like several "Favre" fans and not many Packers fans.Anyone who would love to see Thompson just fall on his face over trading away a 39 year old QB are the same types that want to see the country fail so that Obama looks bad.Just a terrible view IMO.If you are a true Packer fan, you want to see Thompson and the team always do well wouldn't you?

After the 70's, 80's and the beginning of the 90's being crap for the Packer's and their fans, Favre brought them back up where they belonged. Favre became "The Packers" for a lot of fans and it will take a couple of years for them to let that go. My guess is Viking fans would have felt the same way if Tarkenton had been forced out of town the way Favre was. Tarkenton.. Dam.. has it really been that long since we had a QB we could be proud of??

 

[packersfan]

1. Draft better. He's drafted some good players but not many great ones. Not one of Thompson's draft picks thus far has been to a Pro Bowl. For a GM who believes most strongly in building through the draft, that lack of top-line talent is a major problem.

Agree here, though it's pretty clear to me Jennings is a great player and Rodgers could be very good. Hawk and Harrell seem like huge misses at this point and everyone else is milquetoast.

I agree. Jennings and Rodgers are clearly his best picks but neither one is a Pro Bowl player yet. Harrell is a gigantic bust (literally and figuratively). I don't think Hawk is a bust. I think he's a good player. But he's far from a great player and hasn't come close to living up to his draft status. This is a particularly serious issue because Thompson is a build through the draft guy. Well, if you're plan is to build through the draft and you're not drafting many great players, how good are you really? That's my question.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

When Thompson got there the team had aged in place and had no depth. For years the philosophy was one more year before we retool this thing, lets give Brett a one more chance. They were good, but not enough to get over the hump.

That was an unsustainable and unproductive philosophy if Championships were the goal. Satisfying in that the Packers were good, but clear to many that they were not going to get over the hump and were only getting older. It's not so much that Thompson wanted to retool the team in his own image as his detractors allege. Its that the team had to be retooled and he recognized that fact as he viewed it more objectively than could a fan.

He has done well. True as mentioned above that his draftees have not made a probowl. They will. Not many second or third year players do, put the packers have a number rising to that level right now.

The last time this team aged in place it took more than 20 years to retool it. The process was extended due partially to fan impatience after having been spoiled during the Lombardi years. The process is working, and remarkably well. That a few Vikings and Bear fans are able to have fun for a year should not distract from the goal of putting our foot on their throats for another decade and a half.

 

[packersfan]

True as mentioned above that his draftees have not made a probowl. They will.

I agree the team had to be retooled. Sherman left that team in a gigantic mess. And I think Thompson has done a lot of great things to turn fortunes around. But the bottom line is he had a great team last year that was quite young in many respects and should have been poised to continue to be strong in the future. Instead, that team regressed badly this season and now appears to be nothing more than an also-ran. That falls on Thompson's shoulders as the guy in charge.With regard to your post that I quoted which of the Packers' draft picks do you honestly believe has Pro Bowl talent? I think Jennings definitely does and Rodgers could but who else? I went through his first four drafts and I don't see any exceptional talent besides those two and maybe Hawk, who clearly isn't anywhere near that level of talent at the present time.

 

[Ghost Rider]

NFL Exec of the year in 2007. : People are idiots.

**** Jauron once won Coach of the Year. Flukes happen. Everyone is capable of one great year.

 

[Sabertooth]

Where was the outrage when Reggie White left the Packers to retire and then returned to the Panthers for one more year?

 

[Ed Wood]

That means 50% of fans DON'T want a new GM in Green Bay.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

Thank god the fans don't make the decisions. Otherwise the Packers would be run like the Raiders (high priced FAs, changing coaches everyother year, dramatic overreaction, etc.). Fans are emotional and don't think logical... and TT is not a very personable fellow, if he was, he'd get a little more leeway from the fans.

Good point but I'm sure his sub .500 record and one playoff appearance in 4 years may have something to do with their votes.

As it might have something to do with being a milwaukee publication.I think its some fallout from the Favre issue as well.

And while some want a Dlineman...I want an Olineman right now.

Tauscher out and possibly has played his last game in GB.

Clifton looks like a shell of what he was last year. And the middle has been a weakness too.

I remember saying they were weak at Oline prior to the season and you disagreed with me ShoNuff....I'm glad you have come to your senses and agree with me now.

 

[Banger]

I didn't agree with him and thought he made a mistake with the whole Favre saga but he's a good GM overall.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Here is what I know..My Father In-law is currently more of a Jets fan than a Packer fan.. and we have had our about Packers vs. Vikings since I've known his daughter(21 years)... Now when I bring up Packers ... A family down the road use to have Packer colors outside their house as well as what they wear.. This year "Purple" A cousin was a die hard Packer fan.. Now, lukewarm towards the Packers but about the Jets.The way they shoved Favre out the door ticked off a lot of Packer fans.. My Father In-laws quote after Favre's trade this summer about sums it up:

I hate for Rodgers to have to fail as he seems like a nice guy. But nothing would make me happier than to have Thompson fall on his face for this move

..

Sounds to me like several "Favre" fans and not many Packers fans.

I was as much a Favre honk as any but these people were obviously more Favre fans than anything else. To go from a Pack fan to a Jets fan?.....Really? Or to become a Viking fan?......Blasphemy! I remain a Pack fan and I'm rooting for Thompson to do well. He weathers this 2008 storm and the Pack head back to the playoffs in 2009

 

[sho nuff]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

Thank god the fans don't make the decisions. Otherwise the Packers would be run like the Raiders (high priced FAs, changing coaches everyother year, dramatic overreaction, etc.). Fans are emotional and don't think logical... and TT is not a very personable fellow, if he was, he'd get a little more leeway from the fans.

Good point but I'm sure his sub .500 record and one playoff appearance in 4 years may have something to do with their votes.

As it might have something to do with being a milwaukee publication.I think its some fallout from the Favre issue as well.

And while some want a Dlineman...I want an Olineman right now.

Tauscher out and possibly has played his last game in GB.

Clifton looks like a shell of what he was last year. And the middle has been a weakness too.

I remember saying they were weak at Oline prior to the season and you disagreed with me ShoNuff....I'm glad you have come to your senses and agree with me now.

I did disagree as they looked to be putting it together last year. All the pieces seemed to be in place and it was their 3rd year together and so on.WHat was unforseen is Clifton hitting the wall so quickly. And now Tauscher being out and possibly done in GB.

OG almost seems the least of the worries on that Oline right now sadly.

 

[FUBAR]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

Thank god the fans don't make the decisions. Otherwise the Packers would be run like the Raiders (high priced FAs, changing coaches everyother year, dramatic overreaction, etc.). Fans are emotional and don't think logical... and TT is not a very personable fellow, if he was, he'd get a little more leeway from the fans.

Good point but I'm sure his sub .500 record and one playoff appearance in 4 years may have something to do with their votes.

keep in mind, this is the same division as the Lyin's.

 

[thatguythere]

I see #4 Jets jerseys for sale in many different stores in Green Bay.

I wonder how many Favre Packer jerseys are selling in New York...or how many Pennington Dolphins jerseys are selling in New York? Zero I suspect.

I've also witnessed Packer fans watching Jets games cheering for the Jets, and also other Packer fans watching Jets games cheering for the team the Jets are playing (rooting against Favre).

 

[packersfan]

I wonder how many Favre Packer jerseys are selling in New York...or how many Pennington Dolphins jerseys are selling in New York? Zero I suspect.

Don't know about Pennington but you're way off about Favre. According to ESPN, Favre ranks first among NFL jersey sales this year.Link

 

[sho nuff]

I see #4 Jets jerseys for sale in many different stores in Green Bay. I wonder how many Favre Packer jerseys are selling in New York...or how many Pennington Dolphins jerseys are selling in New York? Zero I suspect.I've also witnessed Packer fans watching Jets games cheering for the Jets, and also other Packer fans watching Jets games cheering for the team the Jets are playing (rooting against Favre).

There are Packer #4 jerseys for sale here in Nashville (still at full price).Its not that much of a surprise that a guy who was one of the top jersey sellers is still selling jerseys.Ive cheered for him with the Jets too. Despite my opinion that he was partially at fault for how things went down, I still wish him well on the field and enjoy watching him play.

 

[thatguythere]

I wonder how many Favre Packer jerseys are selling in New York...or how many Pennington Dolphins jerseys are selling in New York? Zero I suspect.

Don't know about Pennington but you're way off about Favre. According to ESPN, Favre ranks first among NFL jersey sales this year.Link

People are still buying Favre Packer jersey's?

 

[packersfan]

I wonder how many Favre Packer jerseys are selling in New York...or how many Pennington Dolphins jerseys are selling in New York? Zero I suspect.

Don't know about Pennington but you're way off about Favre. According to ESPN, Favre ranks first among NFL jersey sales this year.Link

People are still buying Favre Packer jersey's?

I don't see why not. He will always be an icon in Green Bay despite all of the mess and foolishness that went down this summer. I saw a bunch of No. 4 jerseys at the Packers-Colts game I went to. And I've been to NY since the trade and seen a number of Favre Jets jerseys there.

 

[thatguythere]

I don't think people in New York/Jets fans are buying Favre Packers jersey's. That's what I said.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Vikings fans getting pretty uppity in these threads

see you in a few weeks begging for a QB signing

 

[H.K.]

That means 50% of fans DON'T want a new GM in Green Bay.

No. It means roughly 50% wanted something else on that poll list more than a new GM. Huge difference.

 

[snogger]

Vikings fans getting pretty uppity in these threads

see you in a few weeks begging for a QB signing

Just reporting what I've heard in Western Wisconsin.

It's not like I'm in here saying "The Vikings are the best team in the NFL!!!"

Hell, they are only in first place by default and, IF they hold onto the division, will get bounced the first week.

Until they get a QB and a coach that can pull his head out of his butt they won't be worth diddly..

There.. did that help??

 

[renesauz]

Appears to be a flawed poll to me, taken at a poor time. As any team is winding down a dissapointing season, if you give them a poll setup like this, they will almost always favor the "new GM" option.

Many of us in here forget that the average fan knows much less about football then we do. As such, it is much harder for them to pinpoint what went wrong. Since pre-season expectations were so high (rightly or wrong), it's much easier to blame the GM, especially after a high-profile player like Favre has just left.

Significantly flawed poll with a predictable, yet unfair, result. Thank God the fans don't run the team.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Where was the outrage when Reggie White left the Packers to retire and then returned to the Panthers for one more year?

This is just a pathetic comparision. Even sho wouldn't have used this one.

 

[Phase of the Game]

That means 50% of fans DON'T want a new GM in Green Bay.

No. It means roughly 50% wanted something else on that poll list more than a new GM. Huge difference.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

snogger, you're not among those I notice making the "dogpile before we got torpedoed ourselves" posts. Fair to play to you. But I know whose threads I will make a point of rofl'ing in.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Which gift would you give the Packers this Christmas?

A defensive lineman (43%)

A linebacker (3%)

A defensive back (2%)

A new coach (5%)

A new general manager (47%)

Total Responses: 9179

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/35779404.html

Thank god the fans don't make the decisions. Otherwise the Packers would be run like the Raiders (high priced FAs, changing coaches everyother year, dramatic overreaction, etc.). Fans are emotional and don't think logical... and TT is not a very personable fellow, if he was, he'd get a little more leeway from the fans.

Good point but I'm sure his sub .500 record and one playoff appearance in 4 years may have something to do with their votes.

As it might have something to do with being a milwaukee publication.

What does that mean? I have never seen a difference with Packer fans based on living in Green Bay or Milwaukee or what publication they read.

 

[sho nuff]

Where was the outrage when Reggie White left the Packers to retire and then returned to the Panthers for one more year?

This is just a pathetic comparision. Even sho wouldn't have used this one.

Pretty bad yes.Though, there was outrage...mostly at Reggie. Though, not all of it for retiring then making a comeback. Much of it was from all the money people of Wisconsin raised for him and the churches in Knoxville that he never really rebuilt.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Remeber when Lindy Infante went 10-6 one year and a similar poll said he was the best coach in Packer history, beating out Lombardi and Lambeau and their 11 championships?

 

[ScottyFargo]

snogger, you're not among those I notice making the "dogpile before we got torpedoed ourselves" posts. Fair to play to you. But I know whose threads I will make a point of rofl'ing in.

You don't think that a team that goes from 13-3 and the NFC Championship game to nearly tripling their losses in ONE SEASON with very little turnover on the side of the players deserves a little criticism? I doubt very much that you were silent last year during the Packers fortunate streak.Please, don't suffer too much.

And while you're looking for people to LOL @, go bump my Houston Texans/Packers thread and laugh at everyone in it that thought so highly of the Packers chances against such a LOW team as the Texans.

 

[Tau837]

It's not so much that Thompson wanted to retool the team in his own image as his detractors allege. Its that the team had to be retooled and he recognized that fact as he viewed it more objectively than could a fan.

This is true, but there is more than one way to retool. Thompson chose the way he thought best, and so far the results are underwhelming.The team is 31-32 (including postseason) since he took over, with only 1 winning season and 1 playoff appearance in 4 seasons. This following a 4 year run before he took over in which the Packers were 46-24 (including postseason), with 4 straight playoff appearances.

In today's NFL, it does not require 5 years to turn a team around. So either Thompson turned them around in 3 years, but has since taken a step back, or it's taking too long to make it happen if it hasn't happened yet.

I'm not saying he should be fired, but I do think some of the luster has faded from that EOY award, and he needs to produce some better results soon. Progress would include a second winning season, a second playoff appearance, a playoff win with his anointed QB, and an overall record above .500.

Now, all that can happen next year. But I am compelled to ask... Given that many Packers fans around here have both blamed this year's dropoff on the OL, DL, running game, injuries, etc... what are Packers fans expecting for next year? Expecting to be back in the playoffs? I would translate that into expecting Ted to shore up the problems in the offseason... right? So what if the Packers miss the playoffs again next year? Does that get Thompson fired? On the hot seat?

True as mentioned above that his draftees have not made a probowl. They will. Not many second or third year players do, put the packers have a number rising to that level right now.

Please name this "number" of Packers players rising to Pro Bowl level. We know about Rodgers and Jennings. Who else?

 

[Tau837]

That means 50% of fans DON'T want a new GM in Green Bay.

No. It means roughly 50% wanted something else on that poll list more than a new GM. Huge difference.

:(

 

[Ed Wood]

That means 50% of fans DON'T want a new GM in Green Bay.

No. It means roughly 50% wanted something else on that poll list more than a new GM. Huge difference.

:(

No, it means roughly 50% see the problems with the Packers not having to do with the current GM.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

snogger, you're not among those I notice making the "dogpile before we got torpedoed ourselves" posts. Fair to play to you. But I know whose threads I will make a point of rofl'ing in.

You don't think that a team that goes from 13-3 and the NFC Championship game to nearly tripling their losses in ONE SEASON with very little turnover on the side of the players deserves a little criticism? I doubt very much that you were silent last year during the Packers fortunate streak.Please, don't suffer too much.

And while you're looking for people to LOL @, go bump my Houston Texans/Packers thread and laugh at everyone in it that thought so highly of the Packers chances against such a LOW team as the Texans.

Pretty excited about the chance for double-digit wins huh?