Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I’m sure it’s good, though beef cows on paintings/tv screens throughout the facility doesn’t exactly scream haute cuisine.
Regardless, the OP’s point is accurate, but count me in the who cares? group.
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Americans dress like slobs compared to the rest of the world (1 Viewer)
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Regardless, the OP’s point is accurate, but count me in the who cares? group.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
What would you wear to Manny’s?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
what is fine dining anymore? Most of the best restaurants around here lean pretty casual. My issues with dress aren’t really at a place where you are likely ordering an $80 bottle of wine or $15 cocktail. It’s at the grocery store or places we consider casual. Some people just push it way too far and look like they just rolled out of bed. Maybe I’m weird but I pretty much never leave my house without feeling like I look good. Even casual workout attire can look good if you just take a minute to not be disheveled.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The first time I was in Europe the main thing I noticed was the shoes. Growing up in the 80s in the midwest, I never gave shoes a second thought - wore the same gym shoes every day until they were completely worn out, then got a new pair. I spent a year at a university in Germany and it took a while, but I eventually realized one day that all the Euro dudes wore nice Italian shoes, their jeans weren't stained and ripped like mine, and 10 year old faded concert t-shirts with holes weren't a primary staple of their daily wardrobe. It never concerned me a bit, but was somewhat of an eye-opener for me at the time.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
We need more Tony Sopranos to stop this.
I do think it’s rude to wear a baseball cap out to dinner and frankly not sure why anyone would want to - bad look.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The waiter is wearing a T-Shirt.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It's ok at your local sports bar or fast foot places, but yes, I agree for the most part. Hell, I've seen people here in Minnesota wear pajamas to a sports bar.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
This is an awesome post.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It's not as if Manny's is some extremely elegant restaurant, but if I'm spending over $120 on a meal for my wife and I and the place has a nice setting, I would feel out of place wearing clothes that don't look presentable. You know, baseball cap, faded jeans, t-shirt and sneakers.
hagmania
Footballguy
I know, it's awesome.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm not sure "awesome" is the word I would use, but it does make everyone else look better. Hell, even if not fine dining, Minnesotans walk through the grocery store and sports bars wearing PJs. I suppose the thing that is most troubling about fine dining dress attire are those that wear baseball caps. I remember an elderly family member once telling his granddaughter's (my stepdaughter) husband to remove his hat at the table (at home). It's a manners thing. Something a lot of folks don't care about anymore.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I don’t care what other people wear.
I do care about what I wear.
I do care about what I wear.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I spend a fair amount of time in Rome on business and the professionals there are fit and dress impeccably. I’ve had to step up my game just so I don’t stand out like a sore thumb in the board room. Never wear a black suit in the U.S. (unless it’s to go to a funeral), but wear one there regularly.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, manners don't matter anymore. Anything goes. Wearing hats indoors is fine in most situations, but not all. Sure, wear a hat at a sports bar or eating at a fast foot restaurant, but IMO it looks ridiculous eating at a fine dining establishment.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
We're going to Italy next May and I've been reading the same thing about how they dress compared to how we dress. You can stand out like a sore thumb if not careful. That is where my statement about American tourist comes from. I'm not even talking about a work environment either. They don't wear shorts unless they are working out or going swimming and to my knowledge don't wear baseball hats.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Not sure why, what someone else is wearing bothers you. If you're going out with your wife, your focus should be on her, not the guy sitting at the table next to you.
Hawks64
Footballguy
It's checkered table clothes and horrible place settings. That is 100% NOT fine dining. This is fine dining. And while I wouldn't consider these steakhouses fine dining, they are a huge step above Mannys. Prime & Provisions, Joe's Stone Crab.
Capella
Footballguy
Stop caring so much about what others think about you or what they are doing. You can have your own style and they can have theirs.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Fat girl in pajama pants is the free square in Walmart Bingo…usually get that one in the parking lot before I get in
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, that is the way Americans think now. Anything goes.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's the easy answer. Manners are lacking now. They used to matter. It doesn't stop me from enjoying my dining experience. It's just an observation.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right? Call me crazy but I absolutely care what other people think of me.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
As you should.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It’s bad manners to try to force your own preferences on others.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
LOL, I'm not forcing anything. Don't be so sensitive. I'm just stating my opinion on the subject. My world isn't affected by what people wear. If anything it's humorous in some situations.
I'm always surprised at how many folks equate dressing a bit nicer with being uncomfortable. It doesn't have to be that way.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Always the voice of reason.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I’m not being sensitive at all. I don’t really care what other people do or say. As noted previously, I wear a suit on planes quite often. None of this offends me at all. You’re the one who is triggered by people wearing baseball hats.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I haven’t really gotten that from this thread, but also don’t disagree with you. I’m perfectly comfortable wearing a nice suit (except when I’m overweight and my collar feels tight
). But also comfortable wearing a hoodie and running pants.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
And I’m not even saying nicer means shirt and tie and slacks. Just put some effort into whatever it is you are wearing.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I care about how others perceive me in certain situations, but not all.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Fine dining, sure. But in someone's house or at a casual restaurant like someone mentioned up above? C'mon, it's not Victorian era britain.
Capella
Footballguy
Honestly most of you folks are probably getting your wardrobe from Sam’s Club. Give it up already.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I assure you I don't fall into that category. It's not about where you buy your clothes from, it's about looking presentable in certain situations. I don't think a lot of people care anymore.
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Ron Swanson
Footballguy
Same here. I actually had a couple suits made over there. But funny story, my Italian counterparts came to meet with me in the little beach town in FL where I live. I met them at an upscale marina for lunch where I'm a regular. It's Florida and on the water so even though it is nice it's very casual. But I was sure to wear a shirt with a collar, my nicest shorts, and my formal flip flops. The Italians? You guessed it, they showed up in black suits. I took them to a corner table but every eye in the place was on us the entire lunch. And the waiters and bartenders always look at me sideways now but the upside is ever since I get over-the-top exceptionally snappy service.
It might be my imagination but I believe I catch more "breaks" or have better service when I'm dressed more nicely. Could totally be my imagination though.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not always, but I believe there is some truth to that. I also sometimes wonder if age is a factor.
I do think there is some element of honoring the past in this.
My grandfather was 60 years old before he flew on a plane. He was a farmer from rural Mississippi. Heavy southern drawl. As a boy, I remember picking him up at the airport after his first flight.
He walked off the plane wearing a suit and tie. This would have been in the late 70's. I said, "Wow, you look nice!".
He said, "Well ahhhh genuhreally fly this way".
My grandfather was 60 years old before he flew on a plane. He was a farmer from rural Mississippi. Heavy southern drawl. As a boy, I remember picking him up at the airport after his first flight.
He walked off the plane wearing a suit and tie. This would have been in the late 70's. I said, "Wow, you look nice!".
He said, "Well ahhhh genuhreally fly this way".
So in his honor, I wear a sportcoat whenever I fly. My kids think it's funny. 
Restaurants are interesting too.
I became friends with the Executive Chef of Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill in Caesar's Palace years ago. He's a Footballguys subscriber. If you'd ever been, it's a nice upper scale Mexican restaurant. But not as fancy as The Palm or Joe's Stone Crab there. But they had a firm "no hat" policy.
One of the guys in my group one time had a hat on and the server very politely asked him to remove it. My friend asked if he was serious and the server said, "Yes, Sir. It's a house rule directly from Mr. Flay."
When my friend the Chef came out I asked him and he said, absolutley it was a thing from Bobby. And they enforced it without exception. I asked him, "So if Jay Z walks in here wearing a hat, you ask him to take it off". He said, "100%".
I became friends with the Executive Chef of Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill in Caesar's Palace years ago. He's a Footballguys subscriber. If you'd ever been, it's a nice upper scale Mexican restaurant. But not as fancy as The Palm or Joe's Stone Crab there. But they had a firm "no hat" policy.
One of the guys in my group one time had a hat on and the server very politely asked him to remove it. My friend asked if he was serious and the server said, "Yes, Sir. It's a house rule directly from Mr. Flay."
When my friend the Chef came out I asked him and he said, absolutley it was a thing from Bobby. And they enforced it without exception. I asked him, "So if Jay Z walks in here wearing a hat, you ask him to take it off". He said, "100%".
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If it's a chain place they probably think you're from corporate doing a review.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Absolutely. It falls into the realm of pretty privilege.So in his honor, I wear a sportcoat whenever I fly. My kids think it's funny.
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