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Americans dress like slobs compared to the rest of the world (1 Viewer)

The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
Excluding models, celebrities and a few other professions dependent on appearance, the same can be said for just about everyone, especially in the FBG demographic. Some might argue it’s important for dating, but would you really want a partner who prioritizes your fashion sense?
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
Excluding models, celebrities and a few other professions dependent on appearance, the same can be said for just about everyone, especially in the FBG demographic. Some might argue it’s important for dating, but would you really want a partner who prioritizes your fashion sense?
No, but I wouldn't want to embarrass her either.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?

I think that’s really the point of the thread. Compared to much of the rest of the world, a greater percentage of Americans simply don’t care what others think and dress the way they want to. No judgment from me - it is what it is.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
 
americans are funny because the same people that will start a thread like this complaining about how people dress would be the same people to complain if there was actually any type of a law about a dress code i think really most americans just like to complain take that to the bank brohans
Laws? That is a ridiculous statement. Take that to the bank whatever.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
I mean if I'm going to a funeral or something

If I'm going to Italy - I'll be the awful american wearing sneakers and golf shorts...... I might look like a slob to others though.

I mean most of the time im in gym shorts, hoodie and my Olukai slides (with or without socks)...... :unsure:
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
I mean if I'm going to a funeral or something

If I'm going to Italy - I'll be the awful american wearing sneakers and golf shorts...... I might look like a slob to others though.

I mean most of the time im in gym shorts, hoodie and my Olukai slides (with or without socks)...... :unsure:
Never understood the infatuation with hoodies. Especially wearing shorts. I can see it if it's raining. But then I never understood why people wear a knit cap in the summer or sunglasses indoors.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
I mean if I'm going to a funeral or something

If I'm going to Italy - I'll be the awful american wearing sneakers and golf shorts...... I might look like a slob to others though.

I mean most of the time im in gym shorts, hoodie and my Olukai slides (with or without socks)...... :unsure:
Never understood the infatuation with hoodies. Especially wearing shorts. I can see it if it's raining. But then I never understood why people wear a knit cap in the summer or sunglasses indoors.
Because it keeps me warm and if it gets hot i can take it off easily :shrug:

I should have said Zip up - I usually only wear zip up hoodies.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
I mean if I'm going to a funeral or something

If I'm going to Italy - I'll be the awful american wearing sneakers and golf shorts...... I might look like a slob to others though.

I mean most of the time im in gym shorts, hoodie and my Olukai slides (with or without socks)...... :unsure:
Never understood the infatuation with hoodies. Especially wearing shorts. I can see it if it's raining. But then I never understood why people wear a knit cap in the summer or sunglasses indoors.
Because it keeps me warm and if it gets hot i can take it off :shrug:
I can respect that. Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?
 
Compared to much of the rest of the world, a greater percentage of Americans simply don’t care what others think
Objection!

Yer honor, I have 100 years of purchases made by American consumers right here to refute the assertion of the able counsel.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
Who decides what “dress properly” means?

Note that the OP has stated that he wouldn’t want to be in a suit for his own funeral.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
I mean if I'm going to a funeral or something

If I'm going to Italy - I'll be the awful american wearing sneakers and golf shorts...... I might look like a slob to others though.

I mean most of the time im in gym shorts, hoodie and my Olukai slides (with or without socks)...... :unsure:
Never understood the infatuation with hoodies. Especially wearing shorts. I can see it if it's raining. But then I never understood why people wear a knit cap in the summer or sunglasses indoors.
Because it keeps me warm and if it gets hot i can take it off :shrug:
I can respect that. Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?
Who cares?
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------

Well, if you don’t dress like a slob, and dress properly for the occasion at hand, then I don’t think the OP really applies to you. Yes, it’s veered into discussions re expensive footwear and other fashion debates, but really, we Americans are becoming increasingly slobbish in our dress compared to other countries. It’s just a fact. We can deny it or we can own it proudly.
I mean if I'm going to a funeral or something

If I'm going to Italy - I'll be the awful american wearing sneakers and golf shorts...... I might look like a slob to others though.

I mean most of the time im in gym shorts, hoodie and my Olukai slides (with or without socks)...... :unsure:
Never understood the infatuation with hoodies. Especially wearing shorts. I can see it if it's raining. But then I never understood why people wear a knit cap in the summer or sunglasses indoors.
Because it keeps me warm and if it gets hot i can take it off :shrug:
I can respect that. Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?
Who cares?
Just curious.
 
Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?

By the way many wear them in stifling heat -- hood up and partially hiding the face -- it's kind of as a "shield" from the outside world. There's some psychology at work with hoodies sometimes.
Yep. My son has social anxiety and wears a hoodie when he feels uncomfortable, even in warm weather.
 
Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?

By the way many wear them in stifling heat -- hood up and partially hiding the face -- it's kind of as a "shield" from the outside world. There's some psychology at work with hoodies sometimes.
Yep. My son has social anxiety and wears a hoodie when he feels uncomfortable, even in warm weather.
Could this be tied to less social interaction face-to-face? The younger generation seem to want all their social interaction via their devices. Not sure really.
 
When did this become more prevalent and why? I don't recall this being a thing for most of my life.

It's been around for about as long as people have been social -- but the specific implements have varied by fashion, region, climate, etc. Think of the various ways sunglasses, hats, collared coats, bandanas, etc. can be worn.

Going WAY back -- think of cloaks, riding hoods (not just a fairy tale), hooded tunics, mail coifs. Still further -- togas, wrapped khadi, turbans & keffiyehs (the latter two are still around, of course).
 
People don't want to be recognized......and or intimidating
When did this become more prevalent and why? I don't recall this being a thing for most of my life.
1980s early 90s
The unibomber started the trend.
I believe it originated in black culture and white guys took hold like they normally do. Same with hat fashion and the straight bill and tags on the hat before that.
 
The nice thing about being a 50 year old dad is that I can dress the way I like and it doesn't matter whether anybody else approves or not. What do I care if some European guy thinks I'm not dressed stylishly enough?
And married for 23 years...... I'm not a slob but i wear whatever i like....... i also will dress for an occasion properly -------
Well yeah, admittedly I'm going to clean up for a wedding or something. And even when I'm just out and about, I don't really dress like a "slob," just as an unfashionable middle-aged guy.

As a general proposition, I just think it's good not to care about what others think of your fashion sense and not to care about the fashion sense of others. If that's a uniquely American viewpoint, that's to our credit. I'd strongly prefer to live in a society where guys like Belichick are pushing a little too hard in the "slob" direction than one where every coach has to wear a jacket and tie, for example.

Edit: If this thread is about people who show up to funerals in flip-flops and cargo shorts, then yeah okay maybe I'm talking about something different than the OP.
 
Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?

By the way many wear them in stifling heat -- hood up and partially hiding the face -- it's kind of as a "shield" from the outside world. There's some psychology at work with hoodies sometimes.
Yep. My son has social anxiety and wears a hoodie when he feels uncomfortable, even in warm weather.
Could this be tied to less social interaction face-to-face? The younger generation seem to want all their social interaction via their devices. Not sure really.

There's always been plenty of shy and socially anxious people. We just have a name for it now.
 
Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?

By the way many wear them in stifling heat -- hood up and partially hiding the face -- it's kind of as a "shield" from the outside world. There's some psychology at work with hoodies sometimes.
Yep. My son has social anxiety and wears a hoodie when he feels uncomfortable, even in warm weather.
Could this be tied to less social interaction face-to-face? The younger generation seem to want all their social interaction via their devices. Not sure really.

There's always been plenty of shy and socially anxious people. We just have a name for it now.
While what you say is probably true, I think it's more of a fashion statement than hiding socially. Just like wearing a hot wool knit hat in hot weather. Now that one takes the cake, LOL.
 
Why are you weirdos looking at people's feet so much?

I can't say I've EVER actually noticed someone's feet at a restaurant before, and that includes 26 years of living in Florida where 90% of footwear is open toed at dinner unless you're at an actual fancy place. Heck, even at fancy places those strap on open-toed heels are very common.
I get complimented on my sneakers almost daily. Mostly by other guys.
I think we’ve had this conversation before, but I’ll ask again. I expect the vast majority of women know little about the shoes you wear, as the sneakerhead niche is mostly young, urban men. With that in mind:

What percentage of your shoe compliments come from women?
Have attractive women ever disliked your footwear?
How many compliments come from older guys, say your age, or older?

I’m only asking about the pricey, athletic footwear, as I think those look about as out-of-place on older dudes as joggers.
Sorry, but women do pay attention to a man's shoes from what I've heard. My wife also told me this, so don't shoot the messenger :)
Women pay attention to everything; in general, they’re much more detailed, cognizant of fashion and hygiene. I know this.

My question was more about women caring (or even disliking) several hundred/thousand + dollar sneakers.

My guess is the market is mostly about young urban males trying to impress each other with their :style:, while 99% of people outside that demographic couldn’t care less.

ETA Ask your wife what she thinks about Travis Scott Air Jordans - or any Air Jordans on middle aged guys. I’ll wager the best you’ll get is “meh”.
That's probably a cultural thing though.
Exactly my point. All style is subjective, but the high-end sneaker niche is especially limited to young dudes in cities, and those trying to emulate them.

The rest of the world isn’t impressed, including most members of the opposite sex.

One comparison is high end purses. Some women fawn over them, but nearly no guys care. And despite costing hundred-thousands of $, many look pretty silly to the untrained eye.

Difference is, high end purses are appealing to a much larger segment of the female population.
I was talking in the Black community. I don’t think I’m able to make any sort of comment on how Black women feel about expensive shoes like Jordans, Yeezys, etc.
I don’t either. But considering Black women make up like 7% of the US population, I doubt there are huge numbers of them who are into high-end sneakers.
Sounds like you do have thoughts on that. I’ll just say my experiences are that shoes- especially sneakers- are very important in the Black community.
Why are you weirdos looking at people's feet so much?

I can't say I've EVER actually noticed someone's feet at a restaurant before, and that includes 26 years of living in Florida where 90% of footwear is open toed at dinner unless you're at an actual fancy place. Heck, even at fancy places those strap on open-toed heels are very common.
I get complimented on my sneakers almost daily. Mostly by other guys.
I think we’ve had this conversation before, but I’ll ask again. I expect the vast majority of women know little about the shoes you wear, as the sneakerhead niche is mostly young, urban men. With that in mind:

What percentage of your shoe compliments come from women?
Have attractive women ever disliked your footwear?
How many compliments come from older guys, say your age, or older?

I’m only asking about the pricey, athletic footwear, as I think those look about as out-of-place on older dudes as joggers.
Sorry, but women do pay attention to a man's shoes from what I've heard. My wife also told me this, so don't shoot the messenger :)
Women pay attention to everything; in general, they’re much more detailed, cognizant of fashion and hygiene. I know this.

My question was more about women caring (or even disliking) several hundred/thousand + dollar sneakers.

My guess is the market is mostly about young urban males trying to impress each other with their :style:, while 99% of people outside that demographic couldn’t care less.

ETA Ask your wife what she thinks about Travis Scott Air Jordans - or any Air Jordans on middle aged guys. I’ll wager the best you’ll get is “meh”.
That's probably a cultural thing though.
Exactly my point. All style is subjective, but the high-end sneaker niche is especially limited to young dudes in cities, and those trying to emulate them.

The rest of the world isn’t impressed, including most members of the opposite sex.

One comparison is high end purses. Some women fawn over them, but nearly no guys care. And despite costing hundred-thousands of $, many look pretty silly to the untrained eye.

Difference is, high end purses are appealing to a much larger segment of the female population.
I was talking in the Black community. I don’t think I’m able to make any sort of comment on how Black women feel about expensive shoes like Jordans, Yeezys, etc.
I don’t either. But considering Black women make up like 7% of the US population, I doubt there are huge numbers of them who are into high-end sneakers.
Sounds like you do have thoughts on that. I’ll just say my experiences are that shoes- especially sneakers- are very important in the Black community.
To young males? Sure. I don’t know about AA women, but even if they all love Air whatevs, their opinion doesn’t reflect that of the general population. IMO, the vast, vast majority of people are indifferent to high-end sneakers, at best.

With such a small percentage of the population falling for the marketing, it’s hard to call them particularly stylish. Doesn’t mean they aren’t big business though.
It does reflect their population and their social circles. It’s all cultural. Like we said, expectations now are different than 30 years ago. Expectations for Philly are different from Key West too,
 
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If I am within sprinting distance of a body of water, flip flops are OK for me. Otherwise, I would never. Flip flops in any restaurant are, to me, like wearing Crocs to a wedding.

I won't wear them out. I have nice soft leather sandals, that look great with linen or khaki pants.

I also have a pair of SWIMS, and man these are a guilty pleasure. Waterproof, you can walk along the beach, hose them down, and wear them to dinner.
Shoes are always the sticking point for me and where I struggle the most. This was the issue for me in other threads like the driving shoes thread and others. I think most shoes are UGLY, and I just write it off as a me problem. I am sure those shoes are comfy and are the style now, but you couldn't get me to wear them out, let alone pay $150-200 for them. If I am being honest, it's the socks/shoes part that prevents me from doing more than my jeans and Opeth shirts on a daily basis because I can just wear my tennis shoes. I put on brown pants, I have to worry about what else to wear and it's either :scared: or :x when I see what I am "supposed to" wear with it. I am not going full Dad/old man and wearing tennis shoes with Dockers, I hate most other shoes, so....
I agree with most of that. A good simple boot works well for me. Also, clean and plain “tennis shoes” are totally acceptable with dress pants now. This is good for the summer.
What I landed on was THESE for a change of pace. I have couple different colors now.
Those are reasonable but I 🤢 just a little at $150 swim trunks 🤷
I found a pair of Oakley hybrid shorts at Goodwill. Bought them not knowing what they actually were but figured it out. Love them. Look dressy, are super comfortable, and can double as swim trunks.
 
My wife just told me I need to trim my eyebrows. As for the hair growing in my ears, I was thinking of letting it grow out and use it as a comb over.
 
Is Europe the entire rest of the world?
Pretty sure the Chinese have surpassed us there. Their cultural background is very different where things like taking turns, waiting in line, being respectful of those around you, etc aren’t really a thing in a lot of areas. But with a rapidly growing upper and middle class, they are traveling a lot now.

We visited 5 national parks in summer of 2019 and while there were plenty of Americans being disrespectful and trashy, the number and percentage of Chinese tourists hogging up viewpoints, tromping over delicate clearly marked areas, butting in front of people, throwing trash on the ground, etc, was incredibly disappointing.
 
Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?

By the way many wear them in stifling heat -- hood up and partially hiding the face -- it's kind of as a "shield" from the outside world. There's some psychology at work with hoodies sometimes.
Yep. My son has social anxiety and wears a hoodie when he feels uncomfortable, even in warm weather.
Could this be tied to less social interaction face-to-face? The younger generation seem to want all their social interaction via their devices. Not sure really.

There's always been plenty of shy and socially anxious people. We just have a name for it now.
While what you say is probably true, I think it's more of a fashion statement than hiding socially. Just like wearing a hot wool knit hat in hot weather. Now that one takes the cake, LOL.
It might be a statement for some people. I can assure you that my son — who has zero sense in general, much less fashion specific — is not making a statement.
 
Also about my sneaker thing, it isn’t about looking like the average. I would never wear a canary orange suit gator boots. However, that’s a real nice look. Dressing up isn’t the same for everyone and you should do it within your own style. For some that’s leaning cowboy, for some that’s leaning into a more urban look, for others it’s preppy. The point I think is just to try. Have some style, show some effort- especially when those you are with are also doing so.
 
Why do people wear a hoodie on their head when it's 90 degrees outside?

By the way many wear them in stifling heat -- hood up and partially hiding the face -- it's kind of as a "shield" from the outside world. There's some psychology at work with hoodies sometimes.
Yep. My son has social anxiety and wears a hoodie when he feels uncomfortable, even in warm weather.
Could this be tied to less social interaction face-to-face? The younger generation seem to want all their social interaction via their devices. Not sure really.

There's always been plenty of shy and socially anxious people. We just have a name for it now.
While what you say is probably true, I think it's more of a fashion statement than hiding socially. Just like wearing a hot wool knit hat in hot weather. Now that one takes the cake, LOL.
It might be a statement for some people. I can assure you that my son — who has zero sense in general, much less fashion specific — is not making a statement.
Thus the reason why used the words "more of a fashion statement", not that your son is. I didn't mean to insinuate otherwise. I get it, some people use it as you described.
 
Ok since bathing suits has come up. You guys don’t wear anything under your suits right? Every guy under 30 seems to wear boxer briefs or basketball shorts under their suit. It’s weird. Has anyone noticed this?
 
Ok since bathing suits has come up. You guys don’t wear anything under your suits right? Every guy under 30 seems to wear boxer briefs or basketball shorts under their suit. It’s weird. Has anyone noticed this?
I think they also cut the lining out. Think it’s a comfort thing I guess?
 

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