Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I didnt realize Ellington's next 4 week schedule was that rough, but no way Im dropping him. He's my RB5/6 and I think is all upside. I'd easily drop Hillman over him and Im actually dropping Snelling for Miles Austin.
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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (2 Viewers)
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just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Good and bad that limit is. On the one hand you're forced into decisions like this. On the other hand, at least you have options at RB on waivers...if owners could hoard RBs that might not be the case. I think nowadays I'm in favor of something that keeps a portion of the already limited RB pool available to tap into.
I like Ellington's talent but his O-Line and the mean Ds in his division are mitigating factors (and yes, I do know SF has been gashed on the ground; I don't think AZ can run on them though with its current run blocking state of affairs).
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
He plays the 49ers twice and he plays Seahawks twice. Why are people so high in him. He was the 5th or 6th ranked RB out of collage and he ran a 4.5...He doesn't have that top end speed. His lateral movement is amazing and I love how he can catch. Still not sure about him yet anyone wanna sell me on the guy?
low risk med reward. Could offer good fkex rb 2 value. Likely would be a 3 down back who catches passes and should be the gl back. Mendenhall will likely loose his job to poor play or injury. Imo
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Probably under. But I'm guessing he gets a fair numbers of catches too. Should be flex-worthy at least in PPR.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
because after 3 weeks of football half the starting rb in the league have been knocked out and people are desperate for the kareem huggins train
kind of like how religion works
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Some of us play in larger and/or competative leagues and need to overturn every rock.
Warrior
Footballguy
Yup, he was a great pickup in my 16 team PPR league. Can't wait until he takes over.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
PPR league for bye week/injury upside play and late in the year upsideBobbyn2022 said:
OR for keeper/dynasty leagues that are deep enough to make him releveant
Andre Ellington - 11-68-0 rushing, 9-113-1 receiving
Yards Per Touch: 9.05
Is there an RB in the NFL with a better YPT?
For comparison (YPT):
McCoy: 7.15
Peterson: 4.59
Charles: 5.40
Sproles: 8.22
Woodhead: 6.15
Undoubtedly, YPT would drop with more touches, but it's a glaring indicator he deserves more touches, too.
edited to add: D.Brown: 8.73 , so maybe not a perfect indicator.
Yards Per Touch: 9.05
Is there an RB in the NFL with a better YPT?
For comparison (YPT):
McCoy: 7.15
Peterson: 4.59
Charles: 5.40
Sproles: 8.22
Woodhead: 6.15
Undoubtedly, YPT would drop with more touches, but it's a glaring indicator he deserves more touches, too.
edited to add: D.Brown: 8.73 , so maybe not a perfect indicator.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Looking good so far with 68 all purpose yards.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Too bad the schedule looks so brutal. Still, obviously flex-worthy if you're in need. Glad I picked him up cheap after week 2 on a whim.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
They utilized him 11 times tonight. After watching some more tape, I think ARI will soon come to the realization that that's not nearly enough.
Xue
Footballguy
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Either it happens or Arians is dumb. As a Steelers fan, Im not sure which side I lean on.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I have no insight on this, but it wouldn't be the first time a coach stuck with his guy, or a vet over a younger player.
kent somers doesn't seem to think they're changing the guard anytime soon.
I'm still not convinved this cat is a 3 down back in the NFL, but I really like him as a third down back, That catch on the sideline today was a thing of beauty, and he looks like he belongs, especially in the modern passing NFL. I don't think he is going to force Mendenhall into a backup role, but he's going to continue to get enough touches to be worthy of flex consideration in PPR leagues.
This situation reminds me of the year when Charles broke out. I owned Charles that year, and recall similar flashes of elite skill, yet sat back on depth chart as coaches doubted his ability to be a 3 down back..
I have Ellington In Both of myleagues... Thinking if they give him a shot, he could produce in a big way come playoffs this year.
Khy
Footballguy
I feel the same way, almost to a exact point. He reminds me a lot of Charles in many ways. Definitely in terms of production. The only real difference here is that he should be getting a real chance this year where as Charles had to wait until Larry Johnson fell of the face of the earth to see a real chance. But there are plenty of similarities between the two of them.
Ellington, like Charles is making the most of his chances. Charles averaged about 5.3 ypc and 10.1 ypr in his rookie season. On 67 rushes and 27 receptions. Ellington is currently averaging 6.7ypc on 18 rushes and 11.1 ypr on 13 receptions. They share extremely similar builds... Charles is listed anywhere from 5'11" to 6'1" and 200lbs. Ellington is listed at 5'10" and 199lbs. I definitely see a lot of Charles when I watch Ellington play, good shifty receiver, tall but skinny and extremely fast (he ran a 4.61 40 but that seems odd to me when watching him on tape).
I think there's a good shot that by seasons end he was "The Waiver RB add to own" and ends up on a lot of championship teams.
I am pretty optimistic about this guy long term and his role will keep growing. That said, I feel like it is going to take a Mendenhall injury for him to get into FF starter territory in non-PPR. Like Charles, his upside is very high. Also like Charles, he will not be trusted with 20-30 touches a game for a few years.
Khy
Footballguy
Yeah, seems like it's just coach speak to me. Not really sure what to make of it... he has the same size and stature as CJ?K and Charles. Who are both and have both been every down backs.
Yep. Haley was wrong and poor coach overall. It amazes me how people that can't see what is in front of them get these jobs in the first place. Much less keep hanging around on other teams.
Khy
Footballguy
Yeah, Haley and even worse Baby Shotty come to mind immediately when it comes to just ignoring the talent around them.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
personnel group - pass plays, rush plays
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Jaron Brown - 20, 2 (3.5 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Rob Housler - 15, 8 (9 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Patrick Peterson - 3, 1 (2 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Andre Roberts, Jaron Brown, Michael Floyd, Kerry Taylor - 3, 0
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray - 3, 0
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray, Kory Sperry - 2, 1 (3 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray, Rob Housler - 5, 1 (2 ypc)
misc - 8, 1
total 59, 14
Andre Ellington, Rashard Mendenhall, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Rob Housler - 6, 10
Andre Ellington, Rashard Mendenhall, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray - 2, 1
misc +1 rb - 2, 4
total 10, 15
3 TE
Andre Ellington, Jaron Brown, Jim Dray, Kory Sperry, Rob Housler - 0, 3 (-1 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Jaron Brown - 20, 2 (3.5 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Rob Housler - 15, 8 (9 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Patrick Peterson - 3, 1 (2 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Andre Roberts, Jaron Brown, Michael Floyd, Kerry Taylor - 3, 0
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray - 3, 0
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray, Kory Sperry - 2, 1 (3 ypc)
Andre Ellington, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray, Rob Housler - 5, 1 (2 ypc)
misc - 8, 1
total 59, 14
Andre Ellington, Rashard Mendenhall, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Rob Housler - 6, 10
Andre Ellington, Rashard Mendenhall, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, Jim Dray - 2, 1
misc +1 rb - 2, 4
total 10, 15
3 TE
Andre Ellington, Jaron Brown, Jim Dray, Kory Sperry, Rob Housler - 0, 3 (-1 ypc)
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Bobby Guano
Footballguy
For some reason Ellington looks a little thicker than Charles and CJ1/2K IMO.
Hopefully they get to the point where he is getting 15-20 touches a game sooner rather than later....
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
maybe he meant 3 downs per game
zamboni
Footballguy
Strange that Arians is putting Ellington on a snap count as opposed to a touch count. Guess he's also concerned having Ellington having to block when he's not touching the ball.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Does anybody actually like Ellington MORE with such a horrible run matchup this week @SF?
The 49ers defense should have little problem holding Mendenhall under his 3.2ypc average and Arians may be forced to turn to Ellington draws and screen passes on earlier downs.
Or am I wishfully overthinking it?
The 49ers defense should have little problem holding Mendenhall under his 3.2ypc average and Arians may be forced to turn to Ellington draws and screen passes on earlier downs.
Or am I wishfully overthinking it?
socrates
Footballguy
I like the idea, but yeah, you are probably overthinking it. I would avoid all of my Cards this week.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The Zona schedule looks very difficult and at best this is still a time share with Mendy who gets the GL looks still. I want to join this hype train, but I just can' t see dropping better handcuffs to the wire for him. Down the road, yes. But first need to navigate the bye weeks. Probaby will be too late though. Someone will claim him off waivers this week. Too bad I don't have just one more roster space available.
Bobby Guano
Footballguy
I'm staring him with mild confidence and feel like he could explode this week even on limited touches.
On paper it seems like a bad match up and it makes no sense that he would have a good game but this year is really, really wacky so far. It looks like that's what you should but....
Any given Sunday.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Like you, I just can't shake the feeling Ellington springs a couple big plays this week. Looking at the game stats through 5 weeks, here's what opposing RB's have done (receiving) vs. the 9ersBobby Guano said:
Lacy - 1-31
Starks - 1-8
Lynch - 3-37-1
Bradshaw - 3-16
Cunningham - 1-17
DRich - 1-8
Foster - 4-20
Tate - 2-12
Nothing special, but I'd take Ellington as a receiver over all of the above not named Foster and the 49ers will obviously be paying extra-special attention to Fitzgerald. I could be guilty of seeing something that isn't there, but I have a hunch this is Ellington's coming out party.
Maybe coach just wants to scare everyone off with the limited touches. I don't see Mendy getting more than 10-13 carries this game as Palmer will need to go downfield or dump off to keep pace.
Unfortunately, I think it will take another Mendy injury for coach to get this guy 20 touches per game. The offense is what it is at this point. A ball controlled offense in the first half with the Def keeping you in every game. Second half opens up a little bit (especially for Ellington) as ARI plays catch up or needs to move the ball. If they get a big lead (that's a big if...) mendy will get carries to burn the clock.
Unfortunately, I think it will take another Mendy injury for coach to get this guy 20 touches per game. The offense is what it is at this point. A ball controlled offense in the first half with the Def keeping you in every game. Second half opens up a little bit (especially for Ellington) as ARI plays catch up or needs to move the ball. If they get a big lead (that's a big if...) mendy will get carries to burn the clock.
