urbanhack
Fight The Power!
WATCH OUT FOR THESE VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE (scroll through all the photos)
https://www.facebook.com/sue.cool.56/posts/10218211256286666
https://www.facebook.com/sue.cool.56/posts/10218211256286666
Sure but there are some antagonists looking for trouble in those large crowds as well.WATCH OUT FOR THESE VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE (scroll through all the photos)
https://www.facebook.com/sue.cool.56/posts/10218211256286666
Agreed. If they do anything to harm another person or anything illegal, they should be arrested.Sure but there are some antagonists looking for trouble in those large crowds as well.
Well, you know it's not evil if the one who tried to tackle the other from behind did it in "self defense".......Which actions are evil? That guy got pushed from behind and challenged to a fight and won. Was that evil?
Yes. Yes there are.Sure but there are some antagonists looking for trouble in those large crowds as well.
I’m sure it was the first place you clicked.LOL, thank video is everywhere, I just grabbed it from the first place I clicked. Not to deflect or anything
Seeing those unicorns whooping some white supremacist ### would be the best thing ever.WATCH OUT FOR THESE VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE (scroll through all the photos)
https://www.facebook.com/sue.cool.56/posts/10218211256286666
I would imagine that’s evil.What about imaginary violence against conservative speakers?
My point is showing pictures of harmless people- kids, old ladies, etc. isn’t a good way to argue that a group is peaceful or no danger.Yes. Yes there are.
PerfectHi guys, I'm new to the party here, but here's how I see it - maybe someone can explain if I'm wrong:
1. White nationalists exist. Actually, they have been a part of this country since our founding - not something we should be proud of, but something we have to acknowlege. They have a looong history of violence and have worn many names: Slave owners, KKK, Neo Nazi, Proud Boys, etc., and many completely unorganized regular Joe's. Violence isn't new amongst this group - hundreds of years of violent demonstrations, the highlight being outright rebellion (1860s). Examples of violence include lynchings, beatings, burning churches, mass shootings, and most recently, vehicular homicide.
2. Historically, society has looked the other way, in the name of pragmatism, accommodation, and an unwillingness to escalate. 1860 was an exception, as well as enforcement of Civil Rights a full century later.
3. Some members of society have had enough and choose to meet white nationalistic violence head-on - meet violence with violence. This seems to be the first time that it's not the State checking white nationalism.
4. Some of the counter-protests get carried away and break some windows, punch some NAZIs, etc. I am not aware of any serious injuries or deaths attributed to the counter-white nationalism movement.
5. Our president claims "both sides are guilty, and some folks try to equate white nationalism and counter-protests. Frankly, I question the motives of anyone equating the two.
Yes. Now, is that “Antifa” or “some people in the Antifa movement”?Sure but there are some antagonists looking for trouble in those large crowds as well.
I think one of the core tenets of antifa is the willingness to engage with fascism-meet them at whatever level is necessary. Violence is a major part of it. Not everyone in antifa is violent, but it's a significant component of it.Yes. Now, is that “Antifa” or “some people in the Antifa movement”?
Just for full disclosure, I do intend to ask a follow up regarding membership in right wing organizations defining their entire organization, as well.
I'm sure there were some fine people among the Proud Boys etc not there for a fight but merely to shout vile racist slogans and support white supremacyMy point is showing pictures of harmless people- kids, old ladies, etc. isn’t a good way to argue that a group is peaceful or no danger.
Among the Proud Boys? I doubt it.I'm sure there were some fine people among the Proud Boys etc not there for a fight but merely to shout vile racist slogans and support white supremacy
How significant do you believe it to be? And what do you mean by “in Antifa”?I think one of the core tenets of antifa is the willingness to engage with fascism-meet them at whatever level is necessary. Violence is a major part of it. Not everyone in antifa is violent, but it's a significant component of it.
It's pretty significant. Like the Proud Boys and the like, they often show up dressed for a fight and antagonize to initiate violence. By Antifa, I mean a loose collection of far left groups that seek to harass racists, fascists or white nationalists. I think most of the protesters there are not members of antifa though. Most are just people who want to show unity against hate and show that the hate groups are not welcome in their city. We kind of went through a lot of this before where I live in Dearborn when we would get out of town groups coming into to protest Sharia Law and all that BS. They would always be met by large crowds of angry citizens telling the protesters to go back home. It wasn't some big organized group, just residents of the city who didn't want people coming to their city to spew hate towards their neighbors.How significant do you believe it to be? And what do you mean by “in Antifa”?
I believe that a significant component of the antiabortion movement is men who believe women’s value to the world is primarily or solely as mothers. Are you good with me labeling the anti abortion movement as simply being about getting women back in the kitchen and nursery? I’m not.
You realize they are all Russian propaganda, no? Every single “source” you have is fed with garbage that traces back to Russian crap.Well, go get it from one of many other sources and view it. Like I said, I just picked one.
It's pretty significant. Like the Proud Boys and the like, they often show up dressed for a fight and antagonize to initiate violence. By Antifa, I mean a loose collection of far left groups that seek to harass racists, fascists or white nationalists. I think most of the protesters there are not members of antifa though. Most are just people who want to show unity against hate and show that the hate groups are not welcome in their city. We kind of went through a lot of this before where I live in Dearborn when we would get out of town groups coming into to protest Sharia Law and all that BS. They would always be met by large crowds of angry citizens telling the protesters to go back home. It wasn't some big organized group, just residents of the city who didn't want people coming to their city to spew hate towards their neighbors.
No, that is not how I would label the anti-abortion movement.
Uh its never peaceful when the proud boys show upWasn't it intended to be a peaceful rally? We all know Antifa wouldn't let that happen. Also, I saw an interview with the Mayor prior to the protest and he ensured everyone they would keep the two groups separate. What happened to that plan?
Plus the Proud Boys are on the Southern Poverty Law list as a Hate GroupNo one is defending antifa, but the entire group opposed to the “proud boy” march isn’t antifa. I think counter protesting hate speech is fine.
Thank god he wasn't black the Proud Boys would've curbed stomped him tooNotice how he gets punched several times and then the evil liberals drag everyone off of him and hold everyone back because he is no longer a danger and they don’t pile on. Such evil!
This is why I got divorced. When I would counter my ex's opinions with facts she would start screaming and stomp away.I'm done for the day with this garbage. Surely I can find something to do with my family besides being on this board arguing the merits of hate groups.
Seriously, @urbanhackposted a picture of Proud Boys and there were two guys that looked very Asian in the pic. Maybe they are just "white" like @Frostillicus? I don't know one way or another but something isnt right here.Plus the Proud Boys are on the Southern Poverty Law list as a Hate Group
Not sure that I agree that anyone who shows up to protest NAZIs is antifa. There isn't a membership but there are groups, websites, social media, etc. where they gather, share ideas, etc. I think the core difference between someone who is just counter-protesting and antifa is the militant aspect.Those people joining the protest and telling the bad people to leave ARE “members of Antifa.” Because “Antifa” doesn’t have, like, a membership per se. that’s sort of my point.
You are only defining the group by the people you don’t like in it. And that’s not the whole group.
And people wonder how Trump got elected? This is why. They didn't view him as a threat so they didn't pay him no mind then he won and they were stunned. The Proud Boys are in the Southern Poverty Law book as a Hate Group. You don't ignore them.If some stranger pushed me and tried to tackle me, I would probably throw some punches too and I wouldn’t consider it evil. I think all these protestors and anti- protestors are weirdos. I think the best thing would be to mostly ignore the Proud Boys and the like since they thrive on all this attention.
Then you are defining Antifa as the part of Antifa that you don’t like. It’s no different than someone saying Republicans are racist, xenophobic wall-builders or men are rapists.Not sure that I agree that anyone who shows up to protest NAZIs is antifa. There isn't a membership but there are groups, websites, social media, etc. where they gather, share ideas, etc. I think the core difference between someone who is just counter-protesting and antifa is the militant aspect.
Actually it's the total opposite. Every media platform in the country put Trump on TV 24/7 because it was good for ratings. IMO they legitimized him by giving him far more time than any other candidate.And people wonder how Trump got elected? This is why. They didn't view him as a threat so they didn't pay him no mind then he won and they were stunned. The Proud Boys are in the Southern Poverty Law book as a Hate Group. You don't ignore them.
1 is a big on they have been violent for yrs but like everything else the Right deflects it onto othersHi guys, I'm new to the party here, but here's how I see it - maybe someone can explain if I'm wrong:
1. White nationalists exist. Actually, they have been a part of this country since our founding - not something we should be proud of, but something we have to acknowlege. They have a looong history of violence and have worn many names: Slave owners, KKK, Neo Nazi, Proud Boys, etc., and many completely unorganized regular Joe's. Violence isn't new amongst this group - hundreds of years of violent demonstrations, the highlight being outright rebellion (1860s). Examples of violence include lynchings, beatings, burning churches, mass shootings, and most recently, vehicular homicide.
2. Historically, society has looked the other way, in the name of pragmatism, accommodation, and an unwillingness to escalate. 1860 was an exception, as well as enforcement of Civil Rights a full century later.
3. Some members of society have had enough and choose to meet white nationalistic violence head-on - meet violence with violence. This seems to be the first time that it's not the State checking white nationalism.
4. Some of the counter-protests get carried away and break some windows, punch some NAZIs, etc. I am not aware of any serious injuries or deaths attributed to the counter-white nationalism movement.
5. Our president claims "both sides are guilty, and some folks try to equate white nationalism and counter-protests. Frankly, I question the motives of anyone equating the two.
It's how the ADL defines them. You think anyone that shows up to counter protest is antifa? I don't.Then you are defining Antifa as the part of Antifa that you don’t like. It’s no different than someone saying Republicans are racist, xenophobic wall-builders or men are rapists.
You were on this board with your family? Were there conflicting arguments about hate groups among your family?I'm done for the day with this garbage. Surely I can find something to do with my family besides being on this board arguing the merits of hate groups.
racists no matter violent or not are a waste of life. Have zero business living. If it was up to me I'd Germany all of the White Nationalist and make it illegal. Put them all on the terror watch list and start hunting. I want leaders heads on platters (Not literally) cut off the heads of the snake's and you got nothing but a bunch of groups that are barely workingI'm sure there were some fine people among the Proud Boys etc not there for a fight but merely to shout vile racist slogans and support white supremacy
I'm basing this off experience but I'm from Philly and the Proud Boys came here last Nov it was the proud boys and other right extremist trying to get involved. I just happened to accidentally with a few buddies walk into the middle of the protest with friends after being out for lunch with them. We quickly knew which side of the fence we were on. From what we saw was mostly Right Wing Extremist trying to start #### the people on the other side (wouldn't even say it was ANTIFA just a mix of good hearted people who hate the racist slime) trying to provoke them. At one point a few proud boys got into the center of our group and tried to pick a fight but the cops and legal people quickly stopped it. Fun fact one of the clowns is a proud boy facing charges in NYC for the brawl in OCT of 2018. Our side was fairly peaceful even people shouting on airhorns and the like don't fight unless its self defense they want to provoke us so they can claim self defense etc etc.And to be honest, I’m more than okay with meeting actual violent fascists with actual violence. There’s nothing wrong with that. The question is whether that’s what’s going on here.
Read the last paragraph of the article I posted about the Proud Boys in Philly. Proud Boy from Texas showed up in fighting gear, helmet etc and even admitted he was looking for a fight.It's pretty significant. Like the Proud Boys and the like, they often show up dressed for a fight and antagonize to initiate violence. By Antifa, I mean a loose collection of far left groups that seek to harass racists, fascists or white nationalists. I think most of the protesters there are not members of antifa though. Most are just people who want to show unity against hate and show that the hate groups are not welcome in their city. We kind of went through a lot of this before where I live in Dearborn when we would get out of town groups coming into to protest Sharia Law and all that BS. They would always be met by large crowds of angry citizens telling the protesters to go back home. It wasn't some big organized group, just residents of the city who didn't want people coming to their city to spew hate towards their neighbors.
No, that is not how I would label the anti-abortion movement.
That is definitely not how the ADL defines Antifa. It talks about that part of Antifa, and others.It's how the ADL defines them. You think anyone that shows up to counter protest is antifa? I don't.
Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by
some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame.
These violent counter-protesters are often members of the “antifa” (short for “antifascist”), a loose collection of groups, networks and individuals who believe in active, aggressive opposition to far right-wing movements.That is definitely not how the ADL defines Antifa. It talks about that part of Antifa, and others.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-the-antifa
No, not everyone who shows up to protest is Antifa. But many are. And yes, the ADL refers to violent tactics by “SOME” Antifa.
It’s one set of the group. People who are Antifa also work online and in other roles. It is not just an organization of street violence. Though it certainly has that element.
Yeah the Proud Boys are absolute trash.Read the last paragraph of the article I posted about the Proud Boys in Philly. Proud Boy from Texas showed up in fighting gear, helmet etc and even admitted he was looking for a fight.
The ADL does not use the word militant in their entire page discussing Antifa.Every definition I see for Antifa includes militant. I’m certainly not saying they are a terrorist group or in anyway on equal footing as the groups they oppose.
Aggressive, confrontational tactics do not have to be violent.These violent counter-protesters are often members of the “antifa” (short for “antifascist”), a loose collection of groups, networks and individuals who believe in active, aggressive opposition to far right-wing movements.
Perhaps I’m misinterpreting active aggression.
Fair lol. We just won’t fully agree here. I think antifa is more of a philosophy than an actual group. While they do many many things that aren’t physical violence in the streets, I do think antifa is very much ready to engage when confronted.The ADL does not use the word militant in their entire page discussing Antifa.
Sure. When the crowds of people telling the racists to go home near you were confronted, did they just shut up and leave?Fair lol. We just won’t fully agree here. I think antifa is more of a philosophy than an actual group. While they do many many things that aren’t physical violence in the streets, I do think antifa is very much ready to engage when confronted.
What is it they hate?, there are people of color in the Proud boys.And people wonder how Trump got elected? This is why. They didn't view him as a threat so they didn't pay him no mind then he won and they were stunned. The Proud Boys are in the Southern Poverty Law book as a Hate Group. You don't ignore them.
What is it they hate?, there are people of color in the Proud boys.
They hate jerking off, Groot. Jerking off.The Proud Boys say they have an initiation process that has four stages and includes hazing. The first stage is a loyalty oath, on the order of "I’m a proud Western chauvinist, I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world"; the second is getting punched until the person recites pop culture trivia, such as the names of five breakfast cereals; the third is getting a tattoo and agreeing to not masturbate; and the fourth is getting into a major fight "for the cause.
They're even worse than I thought.They hate jerking off, Groot. Jerking off.
No but as far as I can remember there were no physical confrontationsSure. When the crowds of people telling the racists to go home near you were confronted, did they just shut up and leave?