Bernard Berrian signs with Vikings (1 Viewer)

[twitch]

BB 2008 numbers.62 catches, 703 yards 5 TDs.T. Jax isn't the QB he needs.

I'll be surprised if he does that well.Leading Vikings WR Bobby Wade's numbers last year: 83 targets 54 recepts 654 yards 3 TD's....The #2 WR in MINN was targeted 61 times.In contrast, Berrian had 127 targets last year as a Bear and the #2 WR in CHI had 81 targets, almost as many as the Vikings #1....Simply put, Berrian's value is reduced to bye-week filler now.

I wouldnt pretend that he'll become some stud with MN, but I think people may be surprised at how Berrian escaping the wind and sod of Soldier field for the warmth and turf of Minny will help him be potentially a 'shark' play in '08. Particularly down the stretch as he develops chemistry with Jackson, and Peterson possibly gets a little warn/dinged or saved a little for the playoffs.

 

[beachbum]

young QBs do have a learning curve, so maybe Childress believes Tarvaris' progress is in-line with where a QB should be... for the Vikings sake I hope you (and Childress) are right about him... already this offseason, however, you see how fickle that overall team dynamic can become with important injuries cropping on the defensive side of the ball (Udeze)... when your team reaches a point where it is otherwise playoff ready it would be a mistake to wait on a QB to develop when there's another guy at that position appreciably further along in the maturation proces

maybe Ziggy is going to give the coach and QB time to gel and grow, but that would be rare patience by today's standards (that's my point really: if Childress doesn't go to the playoffs this year he's done, and the team goes with another QB)

we'll see

 

[twitch]

young QBs do have a learning curve, so maybe Childress believes Tarvaris' progress is in-line with where a QB should be... for the Vikings sake I hope you (and Childress) are right about him... already this offseason, however, you see how fickle that overall team dynamic can become with important injuries cropping on the defensive side of the ball (Udeze)... when your team reaches a point where it is otherwise playoff ready it would be a mistake to wait on a QB to develop when there's another guy at that position appreciably further along in the maturation proces

maybe Ziggy is going to give the coach and QB time to gel and grow, but that would be rare patience by today's standards (that's my point really: if Childress doesn't go to the playoffs this year he's done, and the team goes with another QB)

we'll see

I'll say this as well, if Im a backup-caliber QB, not a David Carr-like scrub, but a legitimate QB who actually wins once in a while like for example Todd Collins, there are few teams Id rather play for more than MN. Great line. Great running game. Young QB. Upgraded WRs/playmakers over the last 2 seasons. Solid D, atleast in the front 7. Playoff potential. And #1 rival lead by a 40 year old QB. Great line of course being the key. If youre not crazy about Jackson, it would make sense that they have atleast a reasonable chance of bringing in another guy you'd feel good about in FA.

 

[Rogi]

Hmmm...not surprised he got that kind of dough given how much other players are getting. HOWEVER, I really wonder how this helps Berrian or the Vikings. I know they had a need at wideout, but they're paying Berrian to be an elite playmaker; which (at best) is an unproven proposition. As others have said, this really puts the onus on Tarvaris Jackson to produce at a high level. With a dominant running attack, a solid offensive line and a speedy receiver that they see as a #1 in place, Jackson is going to have a ton of pressure on him right out of the gate this year.

Agree, on paper Tarvaris is the weak link in that offense. I still think the WR group is slightly above average now.

 

[jurrassic]

All about the money. Berrian goes from a team with a bad qb to a team with a worse qb. I do think Berrian has potential as a wr but I am surprised at how much money they gave him. He is a great straight line wr, but his route runnng isn't exactly great.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Although it is insane to give a guy who hasn't gotten 1000 yards in a year $7 million per season this was needed. The Vikings offense needed to add a deep threat to not allow other teams to stack the box against ADP and C Taylor. If T Jackson can make other teams pay then this signing will truly elavate the Vikings offense.

I think Derek Anderson for a 1st would have helped this offense more.

They (and lots of other teams) should've gone after Schaub last year.I would take a chance on Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers, but I doubt Cleveland or Green Bay is selling.

Not for sale.The Vikings won't trade their first round draft pick for Anderson, though it would make perfect sense for them... and would save them the trouble of forgetting to make their pick round 1...

GO PACK GO!

In all honesty, I like this signing for the Vikings- it makes sense and he'll be an asset. They overpaid, no doubt, but that's what happens when you need a WR as badly as the Vikings do...I just hope whatever QB they throw under center can throw the ball over 30 yards and get it to him (enter Anderson?)

Berrian is a good WR, but not worth half the money they gave him, the Browns signing Stallworth made a steal.

Don't know how you think the Browns got a steal, they paid 35M for Stallworth, a guy with a long injury (hammy) history, Vikes got BB for 42M and he is coming off a career year. Stallworth was just average for NE last year. I see more upside in BB.

The totals don't mean very much, the structure of the contract and the guaranteed money is what you need to know to decide how much was really spent. I have not seen the guarantees or the structure to make an educated discussion yet.Can someone post the guarantees and the structure as I have not been able to get it. thanks

 

[Liquid Tension]

BB 2008 numbers.62 catches, 703 yards 5 TDs.T. Jax isn't the QB he needs.

I'll be surprised if he does that well.Leading Vikings WR Bobby Wade's numbers last year: 83 targets 54 recepts 654 yards 3 TD's....The #2 WR in MINN was targeted 61 times.In contrast, Berrian had 127 targets last year as a Bear and the #2 WR in CHI had 81 targets, almost as many as the Vikings #1....Simply put, Berrian's value is reduced to bye-week filler now.

I wouldnt pretend that he'll become some stud with MN, but I think people may be surprised at how Berrian escaping the wind and sod of Soldier field for the warmth and turf of Minny will help him be potentially a 'shark' play in '08. Particularly down the stretch as he develops chemistry with Jackson, and Peterson possibly gets a little warn/dinged or saved a little for the playoffs.

I agree with twitch on this. However, one must really temper any enthusiasm with Jackson at the helm. HK's points about targets are correct, but Minnesota had to throw very little because TJ is one of the worst QB's in the league and the Minn WR's were also among the worst. IF TJ can get a little better, they will throw more. getting berrian is more of a dynasty play as one could not expect Berrian to be extremely productive with that running attack and that QB. They will still run a lot and then throw deep. At best Berrian may put up good total points, but it will be hit or miss. if you get berrian have other consistent guys.Overall, I think Berrian is a better receiver than most do.

 

[cmv5]

young QBs do have a learning curve, so maybe Childress believes Tarvaris' progress is in-line with where a QB should be... for the Vikings sake I hope you (and Childress) are right about him... already this offseason, however, you see how fickle that overall team dynamic can become with important injuries cropping on the defensive side of the ball (Udeze)... when your team reaches a point where it is otherwise playoff ready it would be a mistake to wait on a QB to develop when there's another guy at that position appreciably further along in the maturation proces

maybe Ziggy is going to give the coach and QB time to gel and grow, but that would be rare patience by today's standards (that's my point really: if Childress doesn't go to the playoffs this year he's done, and the team goes with another QB)

we'll see

I'll say this as well, if Im a backup-caliber QB, not a David Carr-like scrub, but a legitimate QB who actually wins once in a while like for example Todd Collins, there are few teams Id rather play for more than MN. Great line. Great running game. Young QB. Upgraded WRs/playmakers over the last 2 seasons. Solid D, atleast in the front 7. Playoff potential. And #1 rival lead by a 40 year old QB. Great line of course being the key. If youre not crazy about Jackson, it would make sense that they have atleast a reasonable chance of bringing in another guy you'd feel good about in FA.

I agree. If there is any truth to Minny trying to get Sage Rosenfels, I think it would be a great move for him and Minny.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Although Berrian isn't an elite WR and most likely never will be, I don't think they overpaid considering the market. Every player available in FA that has any talent will be getting a contract like this. We'll see what Hackett and B. Johnson get...Stallworth got similar numbers. Berrian is the perfect WR to pair with Rice, who will definitely be the #1 WR in Minnesota. Berrian is a player that will stretch the field and allow Rice and their TE to get open underneath. Great signing IMO. I also think this helps Tarvaris tremendously.

 

[Donnybrook]

BB 2008 numbers.62 catches, 703 yards 5 TDs.T. Jax isn't the QB he needs.

I'll be surprised if he does that well.Leading Vikings WR Bobby Wade's numbers last year: 83 targets 54 recepts 654 yards 3 TD's....The #2 WR in MINN was targeted 61 times.In contrast, Berrian had 127 targets last year as a Bear and the #2 WR in CHI had 81 targets, almost as many as the Vikings #1....Simply put, Berrian's value is reduced to bye-week filler now.

Robert Ferguson had 61 targets and Williamson had 38 and both are no longer with the team. So that is 99 targets right there.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

They sure did overpay because they couldn't develop their own first rounder (Williamson).

It's no different than when the Bears signed Muhammad because they couldn't develop a WR and were forced to trade their only solid WR (Booker) and a 3rd rounder to Miami for Adewale Ogunleye - because they needed a pass rushing DE.

 

[H.K.]

BB 2008 numbers.

62 catches, 703 yards 5 TDs.

T. Jax isn't the QB he needs.

I'll be surprised if he does that well.Leading Vikings WR Bobby Wade's numbers last year: 83 targets 54 recepts 654 yards 3 TD's....The #2 WR in MINN was targeted 61 times.

In contrast, Berrian had 127 targets last year as a Bear and the #2 WR in CHI had 81 targets, almost as many as the Vikings #1....

Simply put, Berrian's value is reduced to bye-week filler now.

I wouldnt pretend that he'll become some stud with MN, but I think people may be surprised at how Berrian escaping the wind and sod of Soldier field for the warmth and turf of Minny will help him be potentially a 'shark' play in '08. Particularly down the stretch as he develops chemistry with Jackson, and Peterson possibly gets a little warn/dinged or saved a little for the playoffs.

I agree with twitch on this. However, one must really temper any enthusiasm with Jackson at the helm. HK's points about targets are correct, but Minnesota had to throw very little because TJ is one of the worst QB's in the league and the Minn WR's were also among the worst. IF TJ can get a little better, they will throw more. getting berrian is more of a dynasty play as one could not expect Berrian to be extremely productive with that running attack and that QB. They will still run a lot and then throw deep. At best Berrian may put up good total points, but it will be hit or miss. if you get berrian have other consistent guys.Overall, I think Berrian is a better receiver than most do.

I'm with you on this one. I think Berrian is talented but I loathe his new situation. I am very disappointed to see him in Minnesota from an FF standpoint.More numbers to chew on:

Chicago passed 569 times in 2007, surprisingly 10th highest in the league.

The league average was 532 attempts on the season last year.

Minnesota in 2007? 32nd - dead last - in attempts at 432

With that OL, ADP, and D, coupled with Jackson's experience and ability, I just don't see Berrian getting enough targets/receptions to have much value.

 

[NoCheese]

Hmmm...not surprised he got that kind of dough given how much other players are getting. HOWEVER, I really wonder how this helps Berrian or the Vikings. I know they had a need at wideout, but they're paying Berrian to be an elite playmaker; which (at best) is an unproven proposition. As others have said, this really puts the onus on Tarvaris Jackson to produce at a high level. With a dominant running attack, a solid offensive line and a speedy receiver that they see as a #1 in place, Jackson is going to have a ton of pressure on him right out of the gate this year.

I'm not sure I buy this logic. I think it could be better stated "they're paying Berrian to keep defenses honest to ensure that Adrian Peterson can be explosive and not face 8 and 9 man fronts". Berrian gives them speed they desperately lacked and forces defenses to pay attention to him, although he certainly commands nowhere near the respect he should given his lofty contract. He's the 4th highest paid WR in the league now, but that's very deceiving. In 2 years, he'll probably be the 15th highest paid. With the ceiling on the cap continually rising, this deal will seem "normal" in a year or two. I think they overpaid, but so is almost every other team.

 

[NoCheese]

Interesting take from a Chicago Tribune article....................................

"This will be the gaffe that keeps on giving for the Bears, and it didn't have to happen. General manager Jerry Angelo gambled and lost by letting Berrian hit the open market rather than using the franchise tag to keep him in Chicago and negotiate a long-term deal or pay him a $7.86 million salary.

Heck, Briggs is a perfect example of how a team against all odds can retain one of its own players by employing the franchise tag.

Had Angelo used the contractual tool at his disposal, Berrian and Briggs would be Bears today, and there would be real reason to celebrate at Halas Hall.

Losing Berrian hurts the Bears' offense more than keeping Briggs helps the defense."

 

[Liquid Tension]

Interesting take from a Chicago Tribune article....................................

"This will be the gaffe that keeps on giving for the Bears, and it didn't have to happen. General manager Jerry Angelo gambled and lost by letting Berrian hit the open market rather than using the franchise tag to keep him in Chicago and negotiate a long-term deal or pay him a $7.86 million salary.

Heck, Briggs is a perfect example of how a team against all odds can retain one of its own players by employing the franchise tag.

Had Angelo used the contractual tool at his disposal, Berrian and Briggs would be Bears today, and there would be real reason to celebrate at Halas Hall.

Losing Berrian hurts the Bears' offense more than keeping Briggs helps the defense."

I don't agree with this. For the same (or less money) Briggs is a better player. I already said that I like Berrian as a WR better than most, but I think Briggs is a very good Linebacker and when I see the money on each, I would much rather spend the money on a very good linebacker rather than on an average STARTING WR.

 

[Jason Wood]

Now that I've looked at this situation a bit more intently, I really hate that Berrian signed with Minnesota; strictly from a fantasy perspective. He went to one of the few teams where the offensive quarterbacking is demonstrably WORSE than what he dealt with in Chicago. And as others have said, the Vikings aren't going to throw the ball anywhere close to the frequency of the 2007 Bears; who were hamstrung by a non-existent running game and disappointing defense at times.

The other thing that I was surprised by, Berrian has a career 51.2% conversion rate; that is god awful. And again, if you wanted to argue that was as much the fault of his QB situation as any deficiency of his own; I would be fine buying that explanation. Unfortunately barring a DRAMATIC improvement from Tarvaris Jackson, his situation is no better in that regard.

Realistically, Berrian is going to have to see 25%-30% of his team's pass attempts just to sniff 1,000 yards; and yet you KNOW there will be fantasy owners in every league willing to bet he's a top-15 sleeper in 2008. Thanks but no thanks (unless the Vikes pull a surprising QB move between now and opening weekend).

Bernard Berrian: Pillages the Vikings for a monster contract

 

[BassNBrew]

BB 2008 numbers.62 catches, 703 yards 5 TDs.T. Jax isn't the QB he needs.

I'll be surprised if he does that well.Leading Vikings WR Bobby Wade's numbers last year: 83 targets 54 recepts 654 yards 3 TD's....The #2 WR in MINN was targeted 61 times.In contrast, Berrian had 127 targets last year as a Bear and the #2 WR in CHI had 81 targets, almost as many as the Vikings #1....Simply put, Berrian's value is reduced to bye-week filler now.

HK's Booze Hounds Player YTD Pts Bye Anderson, Derek CLE QB 371.3  7 Feeley, A.J. PHI QB 58.4  5 McNabb, Donovan PHI QB 297.1  5 Bennett, Michael TBB RB 61.0  10 Graham, Earnest TBB RB 231.2  10 Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB 177.3  9 McGahee, Willis BAL RB 234.8  8 Pittman, Michael TBB RB 73.9  10 Smith, Musa BAL RB 84.6  8 Ward, Derrick NYG RB (I) 128.1  9 [b]Berrian, Bernard CHI WR 195.1  9[/b] Jenkins, Michael ATL WR 130.2  8 Jennings, Greg GBP WR 217.0  7 Owens, Terrell DAL WR 307.0  8 Walker, Javon DEN WR 54.4  6 Daniels, Owen HOU TE 220.8  10 Scaife, Bo TEN TE (I) 140.1  4 Rackers, Neil ARI PK 110.0  8 Vinatieri, Adam IND PK 118.0  6 Buccaneers, Tampa Bay TBB Def 159.0  10 20 Total Players

I don't even know why I bother looking anymore.

 

[HHZ2000]

So, uhh, just how fast is Berrian? In the Star Tribune article covering this signing, it states that Berrian runs about a 4.5 forty? I checked out his combine numbers from back in the day and he was running around that too. I know there's a difference between running a forty from a three point stance in a controlled environment and game speed, but just how good is his game speed? I've never really watched him play before.

 

[PsychoMan]

The shark move is to buy Tarvaris. He'll have enough weapons this year to be legit. Great signing.

you can say that again

 

[EBF]

So, uhh, just how fast is Berrian? In the Star Tribune article covering this signing, it states that Berrian runs about a 4.5 forty? I checked out his combine numbers from back in the day and he was running around that too. I know there's a difference between running a forty from a three point stance in a controlled environment and game speed, but just how good is his game speed? I've never really watched him play before.

He is a low 4.5 guy but he plays MUCH faster. Check out his TD against the Raiders for a good example of what he does best. Click the following link and then click the 1:36 long "NFL Gameday Bears vs. Raiders Highlights" link in the window. The Berrian TD is about 55 seconds in.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highl...;seasonType=REG

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The shark move is to buy Tarvaris. He'll have enough weapons this year to be legit. Great signing.

you can say that again

Tarvaris is a bum. Start Berrian two times vs. Detroit this year, but even then you may get unlucky as the Lions may be so far behind that the Vikings just run the ball.This is a tough one to read for me. Definately a good signing for Berrian, he got about the most money he could possibly get. I mean, he's an upgrade over Williamson but how do you get excited in the Vikings passing game?I don't know, I just don't see Berrian getting 850 and 5 Td's. I'd take the under in that in Vegas with 5 being a push on the TD's.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The shark move is to buy Tarvaris. He'll have enough weapons this year to be legit. Great signing.

you can say that again

Tarvaris is a bum. Start Berrian two times vs. Detroit this year, but even then you may get unlucky as the Lions may be so far behind that the Vikings just run the ball.This is a tough one to read for me. Definately a good signing for Berrian, he got about the most money he could possibly get. I mean, he's an upgrade over Williamson but how do you get excited in the Vikings passing game?I don't know, I just don't see Berrian getting 850 and 5 Td's. I'd take the under in that in Vegas with 5 being a push on the TD's.

I like Jackson... he can be had for peanuts in some leagues... I personally have aquired him in 3 of my 4... he wasnothing more than a toss in. Look; this is his chance.. the staff will most likely give him till Oct to get his act straight.. then hes bench. But if he does get it together... his celling is very high on that offense.So; offer up you mid too late 2nds for him.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

So; offer up you mid too late 2nds for him.

That's just crazy talk, man.

 

[Buckna]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

 

[TitusIII]

Berrian will be a beast on the turf, and should find himself open deep quite often due to his surrounding talent. It's simply a matter of the Vikings having a QB that can find him...

This is coming from a Bears fan who loved to rip on Berrian's faults during his time in Chicago, but nevertheless, the Bears lost a good one, and Vikings fans will be pleasantly surprised, I think...

 

[Interseptopus]

The shark move is to buy Tarvaris. He'll have enough weapons this year to be legit. Great signing.

Buy Tarvaris? I hope you mean buy him OUT... Does Childress have you all brainwashed up there thinking that kid has any talent? He's starting to rival Lovie Smith in terms of being delusional over his starting QB...The Vikings have one of the best RBs in the game (won't say the best, Bush had a bad sophomore slump and I'd like to see AP make it through a full season healthy)They have a legitimate WR now in Berrian... but when will MIN stop trying to load up on #2 and #3 WRs and go get themselves a #1? If I were a Vikings fan, I'd probably kill myself first , but I'd be more excited over signing Javon Walker than Berrian... Walker's a proven #1 WR. Hurt more than anyone out there the last few years, but more talented than Berrian in my opinion. If they went out and got another WR, possibly Stallworth, then I'd be excited about their QB... but Berrian is nothing to write home about. Yes, he gives you the ability to stretch the field, and makes defenses honest when playing against you with AP in the backfield and the ability to burn you deep with Berrian... but the Vikings are a defense, a good QB, and a #1 WR away from actually having a shot at the division- especially with DET looking to get much better through FA

The fact that you imply that bush might be better than AP tells me how many Vikings games you've watched. Sharks buy players before they break out, not after. If the Oline plays well this year, Tarvaris should have a breakout season.

No, I did not say Bush > AP... all I said is everyone thought Bush was the second coming and he had a soph slump.You go ahead and start Jackson as your fantasy QB... can I be in your league? And if you're so confident on that, want to put a wager on it? signature? FBG membership?

 

[KellysHeroes]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

my Jets would take that offer in asec for Chad... we may even settle for the 4th rder..Seriously... BB will do much better in Minny; the offense is just better.Minny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ChiOL: Much BetterRB: Much BetterWR2: BetterQB... Trav Jackson equals Rexy... I would Rate Jackson higher than Rexy.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Don't forget that Jackson didn't have a #1 WR... BB has experience at being the #1... he carried the Bears.

This isn't like bringing in By Johnson and handed him the job... they brought in a guy who already knows what too expect... he has a young QB that will need his help at times.

 

[DoubleG]

IMHO, the Vikings paid #1 WR money to a solid #2 WR. They did overpay. He certainly will be an asset to their feeble passing attack - but then again, that's akin to be the tallest midget. From a FF perspective, I think things just got worse for Berrian. He and Grossman clicked. It may take a while for him to develop that same connection with Minny's QB (whoever it may end up being). I also see Minny running the ball even more than the Bears do - and as someone has already posted the fact that Minny's passing attempts last year were dead last in the NFL, that seems to be born out in the numbers.

As a Bears fan, I would have liked to see him remain with Chicago - but I honestly think he would have been more productive as a Bear than he will be as a Vkining (at least over the next year or two). I also am glad the Bears did not overpay for him - and paying what Minny did was far too much.

 

[Buckna]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

my Jets would take that offer in asec for Chad... we may even settle for the 4th rder..Seriously... BB will do much better in Minny; the offense is just better.Minny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ChiOL: Much BetterRB: Much BetterWR2: BetterQB... Trav Jackson equals Rexy... I would Rate Jackson higher than Rexy.

I think you are looking at a case where the overall offense may be better, but the offensive philosphy is not better suited to a WR's production. Chicago was in the top 10 in passing attempts and completions last year, Minn was dead last. Maybe BB can offest fewer opportunities with greater production per, but I wouldn't be betting on it.

 

[reg]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

my Jets would take that offer in asec for Chad... we may even settle for the 4th rder..Seriously... BB will do much better in Minny; the offense is just better.Minny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ChiOL: Much BetterRB: Much BetterWR2: BetterQB... Trav Jackson equals Rexy... I would Rate Jackson higher than Rexy.

I think you are looking at a case where the overall offense may be better, but the offensive philosphy is not better suited to a WR's production. Chicago was in the top 10 in passing attempts and completions last year, Minn was dead last. Maybe BB can offest fewer opportunities with greater production per, but I wouldn't be betting on it.

I think MN will be more middle of the pack this year. Childress acknowledged that the vikes were too 1 dimensional last year.

 

[ScottyFargo]

IMHO, the Vikings paid #1 WR money to a solid #2 WR. They did overpay. He certainly will be an asset to their feeble passing attack - but then again, that's akin to be the tallest midget. From a FF perspective, I think things just got worse for Berrian. He and Grossman clicked. It may take a while for him to develop that same connection with Minny's QB (whoever it may end up being). I also see Minny running the ball even more than the Bears do - and as someone has already posted the fact that Minny's passing attempts last year were dead last in the NFL, that seems to be born out in the numbers.As a Bears fan, I would have liked to see him remain with Chicago - but I honestly think he would have been more productive as a Bear than he will be as a Vkining (at least over the next year or two). I also am glad the Bears did not overpay for him - and paying what Minny did was far too much.

They overpaid and they knew it but the production they can get out of Berrian will open up the offense for them. This will still remain a run-first team spearheaded by Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor. It is entirely premature to assume that things will get worse for Berrian simply because Tarvaris is not a premier QB. The Bears were never able to establish a run game with Cedric Benson behind a line that failed to generate space for him. Tarvaris doesn't have the same issues with fumbling and general sloppy play that Grossman showed last year. Jackson and Berrian have an opportunity to create chemistry this offseason... if Berrian had stayed in Chicago he'd have to try to preserve chemistry with either Orton or Grossman. The Bears have more questions at quarterback than the Vikings do at this point.Of course Minnesota will run the ball more than Chicago...with good reason. They are simply better at it. Minnesota's PA was dead last by a fair margin but they had approximately the same completion percentage as the Bears did. Berrian is in place to stretch the field for an already impressive rushing attack. If he succeeds at drawing one more man outside of the box Peterson will not struggle as he did in the second half of the season. This was all calculated to increase production for both offensive fronts.The Vikings were already 35 million under the cap from this year. The guaranteed money will help lesson the yearly cost...it won't hurt their cap numbers tremendously in the future.They paid a lot of money for a reciever who is simply above average, not extraordinary, that's obvious. It was still definitely the right call because the alternative is remaining over the cap to the tune of several million dollars and not upgrading the WR corp save thru the draft. The average age of the Vikings pro-bowlers this year was 30 years old. The Vikings may have acted like their goal was to improve thru the draft the last two years, but it is clear from their five game winning streak that they have the talent in place to make it into the playoffs NOW. The missing pieces of the puzzle were pass rushing and consistency at QB. Upgrading the WR to a speedy guy like Berrian (who's issue with dropped passes is simply being overexaggerated) WILL help Tarvaris become more trustworthy as a QB.Sidney Rice is no longer a rookie, Tarvaris has some starts under his belt, and now he's got a new speedier target. Berrian gets lucky for being good enough to be targetted by a team with money burning a hole in his pocket. That isn't enough to make this a poor signing.

 

[mozzy84]

IMHO, the Vikings paid #1 WR money to a solid #2 WR. They did overpay. He certainly will be an asset to their feeble passing attack - but then again, that's akin to be the tallest midget. From a FF perspective, I think things just got worse for Berrian. He and Grossman clicked. It may take a while for him to develop that same connection with Minny's QB (whoever it may end up being). I also see Minny running the ball even more than the Bears do - and as someone has already posted the fact that Minny's passing attempts last year were dead last in the NFL, that seems to be born out in the numbers.As a Bears fan, I would have liked to see him remain with Chicago - but I honestly think he would have been more productive as a Bear than he will be as a Vkining (at least over the next year or two). I also am glad the Bears did not overpay for him - and paying what Minny did was far too much.

as a fan I am glad they overpaid for him, they really needed him and have plenty of cap room. Everyone said they overpaid when they signed hutch too, hopefully BB keeps getting better and this works out the same.fantasy wise yea he's not going to be any better than last year, but he is going to help the vikes win games one way or another imo.

 

[TitusIII]

IMHO, the Vikings paid #1 WR money to a solid #2 WR. They did overpay. He certainly will be an asset to their feeble passing attack - but then again, that's akin to be the tallest midget. From a FF perspective, I think things just got worse for Berrian. He and Grossman clicked. It may take a while for him to develop that same connection with Minny's QB (whoever it may end up being). I also see Minny running the ball even more than the Bears do - and as someone has already posted the fact that Minny's passing attempts last year were dead last in the NFL, that seems to be born out in the numbers.As a Bears fan, I would have liked to see him remain with Chicago - but I honestly think he would have been more productive as a Bear than he will be as a Vkining (at least over the next year or two). I also am glad the Bears did not overpay for him - and paying what Minny did was far too much.

as a fan I am glad they overpaid for him, they really needed him and have plenty of cap room. Everyone said they overpaid when they signed hutch too, hopefully BB keeps getting better and this works out the same.fantasy wise yea he's not going to be any better than last year, but he is going to help the vikes win games one way or another imo.

They are paying him big for money for what they think he will become, and I believe he will be a force in Minnesota if he can stay healthy, which probably isn't a solid bet due to his size...but nevertheless, if Jackson develops, the Minny O should be pretty close to unstoppable...It's pretty obvious to me that Berrian made Carr look amazing during their years at Fresno, and it wouldn't surprise me if he made the Bears passing game tolerable during his stay in Chicago...

 

[DoubleG]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

my Jets would take that offer in asec for Chad... we may even settle for the 4th rder..Seriously... BB will do much better in Minny; the offense is just better.Minny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ChiOL: Much BetterRB: Much BetterWR2: BetterQB... Trav Jackson equals Rexy... I would Rate Jackson higher than Rexy.

I think you are looking at a case where the overall offense may be better, but the offensive philosphy is not better suited to a WR's production. Chicago was in the top 10 in passing attempts and completions last year, Minn was dead last. Maybe BB can offest fewer opportunities with greater production per, but I wouldn't be betting on it.

...and incidentally, I disagree about Jackson > Rex. If you gave Grossman that O-line with that running game...well, let's just say he'd do better than 8-8. Just as a quick point - in 30 games started, Rex has thrown 900 passes for almost 6000 yards and 31 TDs (with 33 INTs) - that's an average of 30 attempts per games and about 200 yards and 1.03 TD and 1.1 pick/game. In half as many starts (14) TJ, has thrown 375 passes (only 27 attempts/game) for only 2400 yards (about 170/game) and averages only .78 TD's and 1.14 INTs per game. Basically TJ throws less, and throws for fewer yards, fewer TDs and more picks %-wise than Rex (and yes, TJ has a lower QB rating that's even lower than Rex). I did not factor in TJ's rushing stats, as we were discussing how the QBs effect Berrian, and even with his increased mobility, TJ has not been as effective as Rex. (And as a Bears fan, that was shocking to say)

 

[FunkyPlutos]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

my Jets would take that offer in asec for Chad... we may even settle for the 4th rder..Seriously... BB will do much better in Minny; the offense is just better.

Minny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chi

OL: Much Better

RB: Much Better

WR2: Better

QB... Trav Jackson equals Rexy... I would Rate Jackson higher than Rexy.

I think you are looking at a case where the overall offense may be better, but the offensive philosphy is not better suited to a WR's production. Chicago was in the top 10 in passing attempts and completions last year, Minn was dead last. Maybe BB can offest fewer opportunities with greater production per, but I wouldn't be betting on it.

...and incidentally, I disagree about Jackson > Rex. If you gave Grossman that O-line with that running game...well, let's just say he'd do better than 8-8. Just as a quick point - in 30 games started, Rex has thrown 900 passes for almost 6000 yards and 31 TDs (with 33 INTs) - that's an average of 30 attempts per games and about 200 yards and 1.03 TD and 1.1 pick/game. In half as many starts (14) TJ, has thrown 375 passes (only 27 attempts/game) for only 2400 yards (about 170/game) and averages only .78 TD's and 1.14 INTs per game. Basically TJ throws less, and throws for fewer yards, fewer TDs and more picks %-wise than Rex (and yes, TJ has a lower QB rating that's even lower than Rex). I did not factor in TJ's rushing stats, as we were discussing how the QBs effect Berrian, and even with his increased mobility, TJ has not been as effective as Rex. (And as a Bears fan, that was shocking to say)

Keep in mind that the Vikings were 8-4 in games that Jackson started (and one of those four that they lost, he didn't finish).

 

[Interseptopus]

Jackson won't finish top 15 in a standad 20 yd/pt, 4 pt/td, -1 int. Anything less than top 15 would not be considered a "breakout" year. And I'm willing to stand by that prediction

Saying Jackson will have a breakout year because of Berrian signed is like putting frosting on a pile of poop and calling it cake.

 

[brock]

berrian made out like a king. no chance he lives up to that contract.

 

[DoubleG]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

my Jets would take that offer in asec for Chad... we may even settle for the 4th rder..Seriously... BB will do much better in Minny; the offense is just better.

Minny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chi

OL: Much Better

RB: Much Better

WR2: Better

QB... Trav Jackson equals Rexy... I would Rate Jackson higher than Rexy.

I think you are looking at a case where the overall offense may be better, but the offensive philosphy is not better suited to a WR's production. Chicago was in the top 10 in passing attempts and completions last year, Minn was dead last. Maybe BB can offest fewer opportunities with greater production per, but I wouldn't be betting on it.

...and incidentally, I disagree about Jackson > Rex. If you gave Grossman that O-line with that running game...well, let's just say he'd do better than 8-8. Just as a quick point - in 30 games started, Rex has thrown 900 passes for almost 6000 yards and 31 TDs (with 33 INTs) - that's an average of 30 attempts per games and about 200 yards and 1.03 TD and 1.1 pick/game. In half as many starts (14) TJ, has thrown 375 passes (only 27 attempts/game) for only 2400 yards (about 170/game) and averages only .78 TD's and 1.14 INTs per game. Basically TJ throws less, and throws for fewer yards, fewer TDs and more picks %-wise than Rex (and yes, TJ has a lower QB rating that's even lower than Rex). I did not factor in TJ's rushing stats, as we were discussing how the QBs effect Berrian, and even with his increased mobility, TJ has not been as effective as Rex. (And as a Bears fan, that was shocking to say)

Keep in mind that the Vikings were 8-4 in games that Jackson started (and one of those four that they lost, he didn't finish).

Keep in mind that that difference likely had much more to do with a running back whose initials are AP then Jackson. Also, that doesn't change the statistical analysis above. As prieviously stated, I'm a Bears fan - the two Minny W's vs. the beloved had absolutely nothing to do with Jackson.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Keep in mind that that difference likely had much more to do with a running back whose initials are AP then Jackson. Also, that doesn't change the statistical analysis above. As prieviously stated, I'm a Bears fan - the two Minny W's vs. the beloved had absolutely nothing to do with Jackson.

But Peterson played in all four of the games that Jackson did not start...

 

[reg]

There were reports the Vikings offered their 3rd rounder to the Texans for Sage Rosenfels but balked at the price of their 2nd. If I was them I'd seriously reconsider, I'm not a believer in Tarvaris at all (and I own him in dynasty) and QB is the weak link here.

my Jets would take that offer in asec for Chad... we may even settle for the 4th rder..Seriously... BB will do much better in Minny; the offense is just better.

Minny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chi

OL: Much Better

RB: Much Better

WR2: Better

QB... Trav Jackson equals Rexy... I would Rate Jackson higher than Rexy.

I think you are looking at a case where the overall offense may be better, but the offensive philosphy is not better suited to a WR's production. Chicago was in the top 10 in passing attempts and completions last year, Minn was dead last. Maybe BB can offest fewer opportunities with greater production per, but I wouldn't be betting on it.

...and incidentally, I disagree about Jackson > Rex. If you gave Grossman that O-line with that running game...well, let's just say he'd do better than 8-8. Just as a quick point - in 30 games started, Rex has thrown 900 passes for almost 6000 yards and 31 TDs (with 33 INTs) - that's an average of 30 attempts per games and about 200 yards and 1.03 TD and 1.1 pick/game. In half as many starts (14) TJ, has thrown 375 passes (only 27 attempts/game) for only 2400 yards (about 170/game) and averages only .78 TD's and 1.14 INTs per game. Basically TJ throws less, and throws for fewer yards, fewer TDs and more picks %-wise than Rex (and yes, TJ has a lower QB rating that's even lower than Rex). I did not factor in TJ's rushing stats, as we were discussing how the QBs effect Berrian, and even with his increased mobility, TJ has not been as effective as Rex. (And as a Bears fan, that was shocking to say)

Keep in mind that the Vikings were 8-4 in games that Jackson started (and one of those four that they lost, he didn't finish).

Keep in mind that that difference likely had much more to do with a running back whose initials are AP then Jackson. Also, that doesn't change the statistical analysis above. As prieviously stated, I'm a Bears fan - the two Minny W's vs. the beloved had absolutely nothing to do with Jackson.

actually more to do with the defense. AD's big games came when TJack was out.

 

[Interseptopus]

Keep in mind that that difference likely had much more to do with a running back whose initials are AP then Jackson. Also, that doesn't change the statistical analysis above. As prieviously stated, I'm a Bears fan - the two Minny W's vs. the beloved had absolutely nothing to do with Jackson.

But Peterson played in all four of the games that Jackson did not start...

Let's take a look at the 4 games he didn't start:KC- they were just outplayed. AP had 100+ yards and played well. The QB Holcombe didn't play that bad, just didn't get a TD.GB- Holcombe played very well this game, but GB is really the only team that could hold AP to a "decent" game... he ran for 112 and (yes I know this isn't much of a point) but take away his 55 yard run (not for a TD) and he only had 67 yards on the ground... and as GB fan, AP did not look good that game.PHI- They didn't have a chance at winning this game. AP ran for 70 yardsGB again- GB is good and they knocked AP out of the game. Bollinger wasn't that bad.So really, those 4 losses have more to do with AP not being as ridiculously effective as he can be. Bollinger and Huard combined those 4 games to give what Jackson typically gives. So the fact that they lost those games without Jackson has nothing to do with Jackson. Has more to do with API'd trust that Bears fan up there, he knows what it looks like when a QB needs to be given the ol' heave-ho, yet everyone is dilusional thinking he can be good (See Rex Grossman)

 

[PsychoMan]

I've heard he is now the 4th highest paid WR ... who is 1, 2 and 3?

 

[Gordo]

Keep in mind that that difference likely had much more to do with a running back whose initials are AP then Jackson. Also, that doesn't change the statistical analysis above. As prieviously stated, I'm a Bears fan - the two Minny W's vs. the beloved had absolutely nothing to do with Jackson.

But Peterson played in all four of the games that Jackson did not start...

Let's take a look at the 4 games he didn't start:

KC- they were just outplayed. AP had 100+ yards and played well. The QB Holcombe didn't play that bad, just didn't get a TD.

GB- Holcombe played very well this game, but GB is really the only team that could hold AP to a "decent" game... he ran for 112 and (yes I know this isn't much of a point) but take away his 55 yard run (not for a TD) and he only had 67 yards on the ground... and as GB fan, AP did not look good that game.

PHI- They didn't have a chance at winning this game. AP ran for 70 yards

GB again- GB is good and they knocked AP out of the game. Bollinger wasn't that bad.

So really, those 4 losses have more to do with AP not being as ridiculously effective as he can be. Bollinger and Huard combined those 4 games to give what Jackson typically gives. So the fact that they lost those games without Jackson has nothing to do with Jackson. Has more to do with AP

I'd trust that Bears fan up there, he knows what it looks like when a QB needs to be given the ol' heave-ho, yet everyone is dilusional thinking he can be good (See Rex Grossman)

Slightly off topic I know, but why do people do this? Take away his other 67 yards, and he had 0 on the ground for the day.

 

[SayWhat?]

Keep in mind that that difference likely had much more to do with a running back whose initials are AP then Jackson. Also, that doesn't change the statistical analysis above. As prieviously stated, I'm a Bears fan - the two Minny W's vs. the beloved had absolutely nothing to do with Jackson.

But Peterson played in all four of the games that Jackson did not start...

Let's take a look at the 4 games he didn't start:

GB- Holcombe played very well this game, but GB is really the only team that could hold AP to a "decent" game... he ran for 112 and (yes I know this isn't much of a point) but take away his 55 yard run (not for a TD) and he only had 67 yards on the ground... and as GB fan, AP did not look good that game.

So really, those 4 losses have more to do with AP not being as ridiculously effective as he can be. Bollinger and Huard combined those 4 games to give what Jackson typically gives. So the fact that they lost those games without Jackson has nothing to do with Jackson. Has more to do with AP

This is one of the dumber things I've read on this site. AP had 108 yards IN THE FIRST HALF of that game, and only got 2 carries the rest of the way. The loss of the first Green Bay game had nothing to do with AP "not being as ridiculously effective as he can be" but rather falls on a coaching staff with its head up its ###.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Thats a very steep price to pay for Berrian

 

[Benchwarmers]

I think Rice will have a good year because of this signing. Rice could actually outproduce Berrian.

 

[TheFanatic]

Alvin Harper.

I was thinking this exact same thing.But Alvin didn't have ADP in the backfield. BB is going to see single coverage all day long so it's not quite like he will be a true #1 WR because he won't be getting double teamed as they will have to stack the box for ADP

 

[TheFanatic]

The thing I worry about is ADP. He's going to get goal line carries AND he can score from anywhere on the field. Berrian could get some decent yardage but I don't see more than 5-6 TD's. I see him as a very inconsistent starter next year. Three games of 60 yards and then 120 and a TD. Too bad you got fed up of 3 straight 60 yard weeks and benched him for week 4 when he went off....

 

[reg]

The thing I worry about is ADP. He's going to get goal line carries AND he can score from anywhere on the field. Berrian could get some decent yardage but I don't see more than 5-6 TD's. I see him as a very inconsistent starter next year. Three games of 60 yards and then 120 and a TD. Too bad you got fed up of 3 straight 60 yard weeks and benched him for week 4 when he went off....

I am hoping we see more screen passes this year too.